Debunking Famous Albanian Myths

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

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#197 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Your link also starts with the line ‘Modern Serbs are a South Slavic people intermixed with Paleo-Balkan peoples upon their arrival to the Balkans in the 6th century’.
Strahd wrote:
‘modern anthropology and genetics are confirming that present-day Balkanic Serbs are mainly descendants of slavicized autochthonic Balkanic peoples’.
Cool, and today Hungarians are genetically Central Europeans. Genetically we are in between Austrians and Poles, and non-European haplogroups in Hungary are at lower ratios than our Southern and Eastern neigbours, but also Southern Europe too.

In fact, the Aryan Indo-European marker in Hungary is actually higher than in Serbia or Romania.
Strahd wrote:
Belgrade was called by the Celtic Singi Dun, the old Scordisci in this case.
Exactly, so by your logic Belgrade should be split between the Irish and Welsh. Why should Slavic latecomers take precedence over much earlier Celtic inhabitants, I hear Strahds logic say.
Strahd wrote:
Manners, you have none you idiot. You have no idea about the traditional. More like some liberalist jerk with no belief system that one day decided being an ultra nationalist was ‘cool’. You right wing hippie pot smockin moron.
1) I was a right wing nationalist since I got interested in politics, I came to this conclusion by myself, and I never held any left wing views. The closest to left wing views was probably being naive enough to think that Servs have some good in them lol.
2) I have never smoked pot or did any drugs in my life.
3) Manners are reserved for people who deserve them. Serbs deserve the stick and not the carrot.
4) Hippie? Please Strahd you are embarrassing yourself.

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#198 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Cool, and today Hungarians are genetically Central Europeans. Genetically we are in between Austrians and Poles, and non-European haplogroups in Hungary are at lower ratios than our Southern and Eastern neigbours, but also Southern Europe too.
In fact, the Aryan Indo-European marker in Hungary is actually higher than in Serbia or Romania.
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Exactly, so by your logic Belgrade should be split between the Irish and Welsh. Why should Slavic latecomers take precedence over much earlier Celtic inhabitants, I hear Strahds logic say.
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1) I was a right wing nationalist since I got interested in politics, I came to this conclusion by myself, and I never held any left wing views. The closest to left wing views was probably being naive enough to think that Servs have some good in them lol.
2) I have never smoked pot or did any drugs in my life.
3) Manners are reserved for people who deserve them. Serbs deserve the stick and not the carrot.
4) Hippie? Please Strahd you are embarrassing yourself.
Depends how you want to flip these markers. The South Slavs, have higher ratios of the 12a2 Dinaric Danubian frequency and that goes back to the Mesolithic. You like the eupedia, check it. Nothing much to kick around. I quoted the data myself only to show the siptars how ridiculous their claims have been.

Celtic inhabitants ??? Celts, romans, Illyrians, Dacians, Thracians, Hellenics all went into the make up of the modern populations of the region. Don't worry about me explaining this one to you.

No, you embarrass yourself. Manners should be reserved for everyone on an individual basis. Will not try to explain that one to you too, but you seem ideologically a product of the neo fascism than someone who truly cares for the older traditional belief systems and mores.

A little like some fascist whore who sports the cap and symbols around herself shouting off nationalist epitaphs, but likes to be fcked by an African cck on the side lol.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#199 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Depends how you want to flip these markers. The South Slavs, have higher ratios of the 12a2 Dinaric Danubian frequency and that goes back to the Mesolithic. You like the eupedia, check it. Nothing much to kick around. I quoted the data myself only to show the siptars how ridiculous their claims have been.
So why throw around "Indo-European Aryan" when actual you are not?
Strahd wrote:
No, you embarrass yourself. Manners should be reserved for everyone on an individual basis.
Maybe your memory is really shit, but think back to our conversations a few months back, I gave you manners, you gagged to be abused, so you got it lol.
Strahd wrote:
Will not try to explain that one to you too, but you seem ideologically a product of the neo fascism than someone who truly cares for the older traditional belief systems and mores.
A little like some fascist whore who sports the cap and symbols around herself shouting off nationalist epitaphs, but likes to be fcked by an African cck on the side lol.
Not really, I am hardly a neo-fascist or a neo-nazi.
Strahd, you know very little about me, so dont even bother inventing your own conclusions.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#200 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd, you must understand for us Facsism is not the same as it was for Serbia, the ideology of your occupiers.

Hungary had a lot of home grown fascism.

Fascist and Nazi movements in Hungary were already formed in 1919, the same year Hitler joined the DAP.

The Allience between the various like minded nations was coined as "Axis" first by the Hungarian Fascist prime minister Gyula Gömbös, who advocated an alliance of Germany, Hungary, and Italy. He worked as an intermediary between Germany and Italy to lessen differences between the two countries to achieve such an alliance. Gömbös' sudden death in 1936 while negotiating with Germany in Munich and the arrival of Kálmán Darányi, a non-fascist successor to him, ended Hungary's initial involvement in pursuing a trilateral axis. The lessening of differences between Germany and Italy led to the formation of a bilateral axis.

Bit of trivia for you there.

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#201 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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So why throw around "Indo-European Aryan" when actual you are not?
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Maybe your memory is really shit, but think back to our conversations a few months back, I gave you manners, you gagged to be abused, so you got it lol.
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Not really, I am hardly a neo-fascist or a neo-nazi.
Strahd, you know very little about me, so dont even bother inventing your own conclusions.
I have always maintained that no one stock representative of each ethnic group ever really existed. Same with the original Indo Europeans. Most Europeans speak an Indo European language foremost.

On another thread I had argued that much of the early European migration was south to north with some North Africans, Balkans and Northern Europeans sharing a physiology similar to early tall and robust Cro Magnons, perhaps some of those early Mesolithic frequencies points to this. Consider the Dinaric types. I don't think I am going to use this thread to split hairs between early Cro magnons verse later Near East Neolithic farming Mediterranean types to warrior Indo Aryans from Russia and Turco Mongols from further east.

The problem with you as an individual is that you prioritise the later Magyar arrivals in the Carpathian basin without giving due consideration to the Indo European speaking neighbours except by labelling them as Gypsies and sub humans, something to be displaced. In fact your wording is downright hostile as every Serb would agree on that score.

Manners, well any cursory look at your old posts will show one long chauvinistic tirade against those you consider subhuman, cockroaches and parasites. This is your usual modus operandi for those who disagree with losing territory to your fictional Crown of Hungary. Your 'gagging to be abused'. Why do you think most ignore you these days. We all 'got it'. I know enough about you from your posts to understand that you are trying to work some sort of identity for yourself with much difficulty.

Your simply an........idiot.

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#202 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Strahd, you must understand for us Facsism is not the same as it was for Serbia, the ideology of your occupiers.
Hungary had a lot of home grown fascism.
Fascist and Nazi movements in Hungary were already formed in 1919, the same year Hitler joined the DAP.
The Allience between the various like minded nations was coined as "Axis" first by the Hungarian Fascist prime minister Gyula Gömbös, who advocated an alliance of Germany, Hungary, and Italy. He worked as an intermediary between Germany and Italy to lessen differences between the two countries to achieve such an alliance. Gömbös' sudden death in 1936 while negotiating with Germany in Munich and the arrival of Kálmán Darányi, a non-fascist successor to him, ended Hungary's initial involvement in pursuing a trilateral axis. The lessening of differences between Germany and Italy led to the formation of a bilateral axis.
Bit of trivia for you there.
I don't think most of us really care wether you label yourself as a neo Nazi, neo fascist, Hungarian Irredentist, ultra nationalist, Turanist or just some dude who identifies with the current Jobbik party. Your politics and intentions as far as Serbia is concerned is anathema to us, and from a personal perspective I don't believe you represent the true feelings of most Hungarians in relation to Serbs. I just cant your tantrums and fits seriously bucko.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#203 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
The problem with you as an individual is that you prioritise the later Magyar arrivals in the Carpathian basin without giving due consideration to the Indo European speaking neighbours except by labelling them as Gypsies and sub humans, something to be displaced. In fact your wording is downright hostile as every Serb would agree on that score.
Depends what you mean by "later arrivals". Genetically speaking we have as right to be here as Slovaks, Poles, Austrians, etc, and our genetics are just as old.
Strahd wrote:
Manners, well any cursory look at your old posts will show one long chauvinistic tirade against those you consider subhuman, cockroaches and parasites. This is your usual modus operandi for those who disagree with losing territory to your fictional Crown of Hungary. Your 'gagging to be abused'. Why do you think most ignore you these days. We all 'got it'.
Read your posts, one chauvinistic tirade against
Hungarians after another, that was not enough for you, so you moved onto Hungary forums, Romania forums to continue your rants there.

Strahd wrote:
your fictional Crown of Hungary
As far as our Holy Crown being fictional, it is very much real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Crown_of_Hu...

"The Crown was bound to the Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen,(sometimes the Sacra Corona meant the Land, the Carpathian Basin, but it also meant the coronation body, too).

It was first called the Holy Crown in 1256. During the 14th century, royal power came to be represented not simply by a crown, but by just one specific object: the Holy Crown. This also meant that the Kingdom of Hungary was a special state: they were not looking for a crown to inaugurate a king, but rather, they were looking for a king for the crown; as written by Crown Guard Péter Révay. He also depicts that "the Holy Crown is the same for the Hungarians as the Lost Ark is for the Jewish"."
Strahd wrote:
I know enough about you from your posts to understand that you are trying to work some sort of identity for yourself with much difficulty.
My identity is very clear. Strahd look at yours, from what I understand you consider yourself both a Serb, and an Australian, and you would fight for both, loyal to two different countries, and dont forget Australia recognized Kosovo. So whose identity is not clear?

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#204 Apr 21, 2013
"one chauvinistic tirade against Hungarians after another"

that should be

"one chauvinistic tirade against Hungarians, Albanians, even some Croats, and other supposed enemis of Serbia after another"

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#205 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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I don't think most of us really care wether you label yourself as a neo Nazi, neo fascist, Hungarian Irredentist, ultra nationalist, Turanist or just some dude who identifies with the current Jobbik party. Your politics and intentions as far as Serbia is concerned is anathema to us, and from a personal perspective I don't believe you represent the true feelings of most Hungarians in relation to Serbs. I just cant your tantrums and fits seriously bucko.
That is your opinion, and may I say that it is wrong.

By the same breath, you do not represent Serbs, which in fact you do not. There are many Serbs who in reality could not give a fck about Kosovo, and it is mostly a hobby, a plaything for the Serbian diaspora, so they feel more Serbian and patriotic.

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#206 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Depends what you mean by "later arrivals". Genetically speaking we have as right to be here as Slovaks, Poles, Austrians, etc, and our genetics are just as old.
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Read your posts, one chauvinistic tirade against
Hungarians after another, that was not enough for you, so you moved onto Hungary forums, Romania forums to continue your rants there.
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As far as our Holy Crown being fictional, it is very much real.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Crown_of_Hu...
"The Crown was bound to the Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen,(sometimes the Sacra Corona meant the Land, the Carpathian Basin, but it also meant the coronation body, too).
It was first called the Holy Crown in 1256. During the 14th century, royal power came to be represented not simply by a crown, but by just one specific object: the Holy Crown. This also meant that the Kingdom of Hungary was a special state: they were not looking for a crown to inaugurate a king, but rather, they were looking for a king for the crown; as written by Crown Guard Péter Révay. He also depicts that "the Holy Crown is the same for the Hungarians as the Lost Ark is for the Jewish"."
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My identity is very clear. Strahd look at yours, from what I understand you consider yourself both a Serb, and an Australian, and you would fight for both, loyal to two different countries, and dont forget Australia recognized Kosovo. So whose identity is not clear?
You have a right to live in your current political territory, not to make claims on the territory of your neighbours.

A few balanced posts here or there supporting the current political boundaries of Romania and Hungary does not count as a tirade. Of the two of us which is always asking for the extermination of the other ethnicity. Don't ask me. Ask the other Serbs for a non Strahd opinion and we both know what they will say.

The medieval Crown of Hungary is gone. We can sit all day and argue medieval borders once being here or there, shifting again this century or that, but to what end. I am not interested in Serbia going into some bloodied war for lands it might have once lorded over. The national integrity of Serbia with Kosovo and Vojvodina is enough as far as I am concerned.

I live in Australia so my loyalties are obviously tied to the land, but I recognise my ancestry, religion and tradition and so I am Serbian too. Simple. Is this your attitude to Hungarians living in other European countries and the U.S.? Your politics does no tie in with any recognisable tradition. In fact you seem less interested in a tradition as opposed to identifying yourself by simple animosity towards your neighbours. Seen this all too often on topix,'prishtina' worst case.

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#207 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
"one chauvinistic tirade against Hungarians after another"
that should be
"one chauvinistic tirade against Hungarians, Albanians, even some Croats, and other supposed enemis of Serbia after another"
As opposed to your tirade against serbs, Romanians, Slovaks, sometimes Croats and or Siptars when the mood comes on. Oh, and don't forget the jews, gypsies and the rest.

If our roled had been reversed and your country invaded, occupied in the last decades I would not in a million years wander onto your forums like some faggot taunting a Christian people under siege by an outside power propping up some mafia Islamic government.

Your one rude irresponsible little fck.

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#208 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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That is your opinion, and may I say that it is wrong.
By the same breath, you do not represent Serbs, which in fact you do not. There are many Serbs who in reality could not give a fck about Kosovo, and it is mostly a hobby, a plaything for the Serbian diaspora, so they feel more Serbian and patriotic.
What the fck do you know about Kosovo ? It's more real as Serbs dies, lost their homes, suffered in countless ways. For my part I have never pretended at some priority over those Serbs directly in the current effected areas.

The hobby is your obsession with table top BS about annexing the territory of your neighbours.

You should be ashamed of yourself of your conduct, but you have no shame.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#209 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
You have a right to live in your current political territory, not to make claims on the territory of your neighbours.
Hypothetically, a Serbian government recognizes Kosovo. As a result of this, many other UN members start to recognize it too. Will you then accept Kosovo's integrity due to politics and international law?

Strahd that is the difference between us, you only care to jump through international law hoops, the attitude of a Servian.

If Vojvodina legally becomes independent and fully recognized, will you drop all your claims on it due to "international law"?
Strahd wrote:
Of the two of us which is always asking for the extermination of the other ethnicity.
You have made calls to deportations, genocide and destruction of Hungarians, not just in Stolen Lands, but Lesser Hungary too. So dont play naive hypocrite.
Strahd wrote:
Your politics does no tie in with any recognisable tradition. In fact you seem less interested in a tradition as opposed to identifying yourself by simple animosity towards your neighbours.
I support traditional borders and a traditional Monarchy with traditional Christian Hungarian culture, so what is the issue?

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#210 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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If our roled had been reversed and your country invaded, occupied in the last decades
My country WAS invaded and occupied in the last decades.

Strahd wrote:
I would not in a million years wander onto your forums like some faggot taunting a Christian people under siege by an outside power propping up some mafia Islamic government.
Your posts on here, Hungary forum and Romania forum beg to differ.
Strahd wrote:
Your one rude irresponsible little fck.
You are just angry that Serbia is no longer on the receiving end of rewards by the West.

Look on the bright side, since 1918 to now, the net territorial gain for Serbia has been positive. All thanks to your British, American friends in the West.
http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-P...

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#211 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Hypothetically, a Serbian government recognizes Kosovo. As a result of this, many other UN members start to recognize it too. Will you then accept Kosovo's integrity due to politics and international law?
Strahd that is the difference between us, you only care to jump through international law hoops, the attitude of a Servian.
If Vojvodina legally becomes independent and fully recognized, will you drop all your claims on it due to "international law"?
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You have made calls to deportations, genocide and destruction of Hungarians, not just in Stolen Lands, but Lesser Hungary too. So dont play naive hypocrite.
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I support traditional borders and a traditional Monarchy with traditional Christian Hungarian culture, so what is the issue?
Kosovo has nothing to do with you, and I am not going to argue it with some pretend fck who doesn't even have affirm handle on his beliefs. You are simple starved for attention, that is all.

What ever I said about Hungarians, the great majority of it has always been along the lines of what I have been saying here. You try to alleviate the fact I am right about your dark intentions towards the Serbs.

'I support traditional borders and a traditional Monarchy with traditional Christian Hungarian culture, so what is the issue?'

Don't be stupid. You have no idea what a traditional Christian even is. You are just hooked on some concept to an obsessive state.

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#212 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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My country WAS invaded and occupied in the last decades.
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Your posts on here, Hungary forum and Romania forum beg to differ.
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You are just angry that Serbia is no longer on the receiving end of rewards by the West.
Look on the bright side, since 1918 to now, the net territorial gain for Serbia has been positive. All thanks to your British, American friends in the West.
http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-P...
Ah yes, all this comes down to one thing. You bought the minority Jobbik line, hook, line and sinker. Convinced that somehow annexing your neighbours territories and creating some anachronistic 'Crown of Hungary' your life have meaning. Never mind the loss of life to both Hungarians and your neighbours to achieve this fantacist and silly political notion.

I guess I have to realise who I am talking to here. I see. Your one fcked up loon.

Hey, look at it this way, if Kosovo is really gone I guess we always the rest of it including Vojvodina.

Smile and say cheese.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#213 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Kosovo has nothing to do with you, and I am not going to argue it with some pretend fck who doesn't even have affirm handle on his beliefs. You are simple starved for attention, that is all.
And what does Transylvania have to do with you?
Strahd wrote:
Don't be stupid. You have no idea what a traditional Christian even is. You are just hooked on some concept to an obsessive state.
I know what it is. Traditional Christanity is not what you are thinking of, Judeo-Christianity. I myself am a great fan of Christian theologian Ottokár Prohászka.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

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#214 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Ah yes, all this comes down to one thing. You bought the minority Jobbik line, hook, line and sinker. Convinced that somehow annexing your neighbours territories and creating some anachronistic 'Crown of Hungary' your life have meaning. Never mind the loss of life to both Hungarians and your neighbours to achieve this fantacist and silly political notion.
I guess I have to realise who I am talking to here. I see. Your one fcked up loon.
Hey, look at it this way, if Kosovo is really gone I guess we always the rest of it including Vojvodina.
Smile and say cheese.
Except that I held these views before Jobbik even existed. And my views are certainly not "Jobbik views". Jobbik is simply a manifestation of traditional Hungarian patriotism.

By the way, in this post you are sounding like a typical liberal eurocrat with the typical

"lets all live together happily ever after, who gives a fck about nations these days, there is only one nation, and that is the human nation"

I can say the same about you, do you believe that invading Kosova will solve all of Serbians problems, such as the 25% unemployment?

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#216 Apr 21, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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And what does Transylvania have to do with you?
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I know what it is. Traditional Christanity is not what you are thinking of, Judeo-Christianity. I myself am a great fan of Christian theologian Ottokár Prohászka.
Transylvania has about as much to do with me as it has to do with you, not much. Last I checked your no Romanian.

I don't know what the Serbian Orthodox church has to do with theological Judeo Christianity except in the widest general sense of the word. I am talking more about the traditional Serbian values that have arisen from being a spiritual people and recognising we have one Church. That theologian you just mentioned was a Roman Catholic, but you have called yourself Calvinist. I think your ideology and belief systems are simply a mash up of sorts. In fact, I am willing to bet you are probably the only Hungarian with your ‘unique’ outlook.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#217 Apr 21, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Transylvania has about as much to do with me as it has to do with you, not much. Last I checked your no Romanian.
By this logic, you have nothing to do with Kosovo, since you are not an Albanian, but an Australian.
Strahd wrote:
In fact, I am willing to bet you are probably the only Hungarian with your ‘unique’ outlook.
Not really

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