Was Vuk Brankovic a traitor?

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teddy

Genova, Italy

#1 Apr 28, 2013
Vuk Brankovic a powerful medieval Serbian despot, is inextricably
related to the battle of Kosovo, although involved against the Ottomans, he remains a negative figure, or better said second the mounting of clergy , as the main cause of the historic defeat of the Serbs ..... In the annals of the Ottomans the battle has a weight almost in passing, but in the collective knowledge of Serbs occupies a predominant place, the highest point of the Serbian historiography. The mounting is to compare the epic clash between Christians and infidels as the struggle between good and evil, so Lazar is a martyrdom, Kosovo holy ground, but needed a scapegoat and Brankovic was perfect as the Judas

“A man's character is his fate”

Since: Jun 10

Heraclitus

#2 Apr 28, 2013
Interesting thread Teddy.

I think that he wasn't traitor. He just saved what he could save.
teddy

Genova, Italy

#3 Apr 28, 2013
The_Baron wrote:
Interesting thread Teddy.
I think that he wasn't traitor. He just saved what he could save.
The historicals facts has showed that his army was saved instead of Lazar's exerminated ...from here was born the idea of Brankovic sold to the Ottomans...
http://www.yurope.com/zines/republika/arhiva/...
lulu

UK

#4 Apr 28, 2013
teddy

Genova, Italy

#5 Apr 28, 2013
Why second to you Serb majority insist to Brankovic as a traitor?

“A man's character is his fate”

Since: Jun 10

Heraclitus

#6 Apr 28, 2013
teddy wrote:
Why second to you Serb majority insist to Brankovic as a traitor?
Well, maybe Serbs like to "find" a traitor.

“vladika kurcavenda ”

Since: May 08

Winnipeg, Canada

#7 Apr 28, 2013
Draza Mihailovic - izdajnik ili patriota

http://forum.burek.com/draza-mihailovic-izdaj...
teddy

Genova, Italy

#8 Apr 29, 2013
The_Baron wrote:
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Well, maybe Serbs like to "find" a traitor.
Always Serbs in their history find a traitor or a cause to hold tight
In the war Turkish-Austrian the Serbs blamed the Albanians for treachery

“A man's character is his fate”

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Heraclitus

#9 Apr 29, 2013
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>Always Serbs in their history find a traitor or a cause to hold tight
In the war Turkish-Austrian the Serbs blamed the Albanians for treachery
Its true. Because Serbs and Catholic Albanians (from Prizren, Djakovica..) joined the Austrians against the Turks and Albanian Muslims. At the beginning Austrians had great results but later had to retrieve.
That caused Great Migrations of Serbs and even Albanian Catholics to Austro-Hungary.
teddy

Genova, Italy

#10 Apr 29, 2013
The_Baron wrote:
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Its true. Because Serbs and Catholic Albanians (from Prizren, Djakovica..) joined the Austrians against the Turks and Albanian Muslims. At the beginning Austrians had great results but later had to retrieve.
That caused Great Migrations of Serbs and even Albanian Catholics to Austro-Hungary.
There was too a general and broad amnesty for the uprisers from Sultan...Arsenje III was decided to leave Pec
reality

Pascoe Vale, Australia

#11 Apr 29, 2013
He was, if he didn't retreat, Serbs might've even withstand the turkish barbaric invasion. But, hunger for power and throne is always stronger so he left the battle

Unfortunately, most of the Serbs today are his kind.
teddy

Genova, Italy

#12 Apr 29, 2013
reality wrote:
He was, if he didn't retreat, Serbs might've even withstand the turkish barbaric invasion. But, hunger for power and throne is always stronger so he left the battle
Unfortunately, most of the Serbs today are his kind.
Why Vuk did not partecipate with his flock in the none of Ottomans conquests?
He was absent in every battle ....
teddy

Genova, Italy

#13 Apr 29, 2013
The clergy was the only representative of Serbia, culturally and politically, was a barrier where everything is weighed and passed, the people were under a spiritual pressure, the Serbs did not come to have a historiography, not even a traditional literature of the people, only some components lyric and epic, which were sung in weddings (Kolo) that's it. So the creed of the church about Brankovic like a burden had a strong impact on the Serbs.
blundunt

Midlothian, IL

#14 Apr 29, 2013
Vuk Brankovic and his Serbian soldiers faced Yakub a son of Murad and his Turkish soldiers in the Kosovo battle. Brankovic was outnumbered and yet sucseeded in routing the entire left flank of the Ottomans.Maybe after defeating the entire left flank He and his soldiers were at the point of exhaustion -if they were'nt they might have rescued the Serbian centre and the life of Prince Lazar when Bayezid counter-attacked the Serbs with fresh and rested soldiers "like a thunderbolt". The fact is his troops were "done" for the day giving their all in taking on and defeating Yakub.Actually Vladtko Vukovic and his men stood toe to toe with the front lines of Bayezids Turks not making a breakthrough but inflicting heavy casualties and it seems that he not Brankovic was the first to disengage and leave the field followed by Brankovic- both leaders beleiving they had done all they could.
teddy

Genova, Italy

#15 Apr 29, 2013
blundunt wrote:
Vuk Brankovic and his Serbian soldiers faced Yakub a son of Murad and his Turkish soldiers in the Kosovo battle. Brankovic was outnumbered and yet sucseeded in routing the entire left flank of the Ottomans.Maybe after defeating the entire left flank He and his soldiers were at the point of exhaustion -if they were'nt they might have rescued the Serbian centre and the life of Prince Lazar when Bayezid counter-attacked the Serbs with fresh and rested soldiers "like a thunderbolt". The fact is his troops were "done" for the day giving their all in taking on and defeating Yakub.Actually Vladtko Vukovic and his men stood toe to toe with the front lines of Bayezids Turks not making a breakthrough but inflicting heavy casualties and it seems that he not Brankovic was the first to disengage and leave the field followed by Brankovic- both leaders beleiving they had done all they could.
So you stated that the battle of Kosovo was lost from the biginning,so to cover the defeat was invented a traitor...
It's clear from the beginning are going to use this battle as the Serbian national awakening to the beginning of the XIX against the Turks ... but the Serbs believed that the battle was a draw, where Obilic killed the Sultan and there was believed by the withdrawal of the Ottomans (but was only tactical) and then beheaded Hrebreljanovic ....
blundunt

Midlothian, IL

#16 Apr 29, 2013
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>So you stated that the battle of Kosovo was lost from the biginning,so to cover the defeat was invented a traitor...
It's clear from the beginning are going to use this battle as the Serbian national awakening to the beginning of the XIX against the Turks ... but the Serbs believed that the battle was a draw, where Obilic killed the Sultan and there was believed by the withdrawal of the Ottomans (but was only tactical) and then beheaded Hrebreljanovic ....
EYE never said that. God only knows about the intrigues or sideline negotiations of the Serbians and Turks of 1389.Many were killed and wounded on both sides and even if the battle was a draqw or inconclusive only the Osmanli Turks could muster enough men for another encounter because they had many soldiers in the eastern part of Turkey while the Serbs would have to turn to Hungary for protection now that most of Lazars soldiers were either dead or put out of action. This is reflected in Stephan Lazarevics Serbian Knights being in and around the 1,500 to 5000 in number in the 1390s when as agreed upon the Serbs would furnish Men and money when called upon to do so-1394/95 Wallachia,1396 Nicopolis,1402Angora.
teddy

Genova, Italy

#17 Apr 30, 2013
blundunt wrote:
<quoted text>EYE never said that. God only knows about the intrigues or sideline negotiations of the Serbians and Turks of 1389.Many were killed and wounded on both sides and even if the battle was a draqw or inconclusive only the Osmanli Turks could muster enough men for another encounter because they had many soldiers in the eastern part of Turkey while the Serbs would have to turn to Hungary for protection now that most of Lazars soldiers were either dead or put out of action. This is reflected in Stephan Lazarevics Serbian Knights being in and around the 1,500 to 5000 in number in the 1390s when as agreed upon the Serbs would furnish Men and money when called upon to do so-1394/95 Wallachia,1396 Nicopolis,1402Angora.
You right ...but the Ottomans left Balkan for almost 20 years and Serbia was still Turkish Vassal.Why? better under the muslims than catholics of Rome

Since: Mar 07

Prishtina, Kosovo

#18 Apr 30, 2013
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>So you stated that the battle of Kosovo was lost from the biginning,so to cover the defeat was invented a traitor...
It's clear from the beginning are going to use this battle as the Serbian national awakening to the beginning of the XIX against the Turks ... but the Serbs believed that the battle was a draw, where Obilic killed the Sultan and there was believed by the withdrawal of the Ottomans (but was only tactical) and then beheaded Hrebreljanovic ....
The whole Serbian history is based on myths and the twisting of facts.

Plus Milosh Kopiliqi was an Albanian.
Here you can clearly see the Albanian Flag in his Armour

http://misha.blog.rs/gallery/2283/previews-me...
teddy

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#19 Apr 30, 2013
prishtina wrote:
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The whole Serbian history is based on myths and the twisting of facts.
Plus Milosh Kopiliqi was an Albanian.
Here you can clearly see the Albanian Flag in his Armour
http://misha.blog.rs/gallery/2283/previews-me...
Milos Obilic was not alvanian you alvanian subhuman

Milos Obilic was Serb same as Skanderbeg
teddy

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#20 Apr 30, 2013
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>You right ...but the Ottomans left Balkan for almost 20 years and Serbia was still Turkish Vassal.Why? better under the muslims than catholics of Rome
why was albania ottoman vassal until 1912?

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