The return of Tito's train: From Serb...

The return of Tito's train: From Serbia to Montenegro - a track to the past

There are 943 comments on the The Independent story from Jul 13, 2013, titled The return of Tito's train: From Serbia to Montenegro - a track to the past. In it, The Independent reports that:

President Josip Broz Tito's Blue Train, scene of the dictator's famed parties with world leaders, is back in service as a tourist attraction Could there ever have been a more extravagant mobile assembly of the world's nastiest dictators? Here, plushly seated on the 28 red leather chairs around the long conference table in this sumptuous railway ... (more)

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#185 Jul 17, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Someone has to pay for socialism, exactly. In Yugoslavias case it was paid for by loans + debt lol.
Sweden for example, also has a good degree of Socialism. Ask them how it's working out for them, I am sure the Arabs enjoy free Swedish housing heheh
However it is not for everyone.
Dont get me wrong, I do support some aspects of it. But as a whole I am against the idea of an "everything is free" welfare state.
Nothing is ever really 'free' in a welfare state. Someone picks up the tab somewhere down the line. In the case of Yugoslavia it was the monetary union, the debt you mentioned. Here in Australia it is the tax payers that are hardly given any fiscal breaks so that they can foot the bill for everyone else.
Vladimir Nazor

Australia

#186 Jul 17, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
I tried to be patient with you, so I will give you last warning.
Tone down your red bellied commie vomit.
I do not take kindly to communist.
If I had a gun with one bullet, and a Romanian Nazi or a Chetnik chauvinist on one side, and a Hungarian communist on the other, I would put the bullet into the Hungarian communist.
I making myself clear?
Whhooaaa calm down Clint Eastwood, enough of this tough guy attitude ! "Punk" this & "Punk" that BS !. I think you have been watching too many Dirty Harry movies !!!! & again what is with this surfing mindset that you have with Australians such as myself.! Are you delusional ? Does it have anything to do with Australia's long sunny sandy coast lines ?

Fun aside, i have been polite & restrained with YOU all this time while you were poking immature slurs at ME while other posters were being out right VILE TOWARDS YOU !

Answer me, is this childish out burst of youre's all about the 1956 Hungarian Revolution ?

Then if it is, then i do apologize for any hurt you may have felt by reading my posts !

I am not on forum topix to preach to Hungarians about Socialist values & Fascist/Nationalist negatives ! If you do not like my views then you are welcome to ignore them as they are not directed to you personally .

Lastly don't preach to me about Tito you Madjar as you know nothing about him compared to my relatives & friends who know the real life of Tito & his Yugoslavia.!

As i told you before many nationalities West & East Europeans left Europe post WW2 for the same reasons or similar reasons . Tito's Yugoslavia was no EXCEPTION !

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#187 Jul 17, 2013
Btw Dalmatin, you shouldn't be too nasty to Nazis.

After all, Nazism is the closest thing to a Commie or a Socialism.

Nazism AKA National Socialism is just Socialism with a nationalist and racist spin on it.

Welfare, classless society, etc were all features of Nazi Germany.
Let's not forget the Volkswagen, German for People's car. Hitler wanted a car that everyone could afford and have. Sounds pretty socialist to me, and this is one small example.

Your Gospodin Tito had more in common with Gospodin Hitler than they had differences. One wanted unite the South Slavic people's under a Socialist ideology, other wanted to unite Germanics under a Socialist ideology. Differences are only technicalities.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#188 Jul 17, 2013
Funny how you mention Clint Eastwood and Dirty Harry.

Yes I just watched Sudden Impact yesterday, what a film lol
"Go ahead, make my day"

. I already saw Dirty Harry and The Enforcer. I am hoping to pick up Magnum Force soon.

As for commies, 1956 is just part of it. But communism goes against everything I believe in. It goes against the nation itself!

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#189 Jul 17, 2013
Not to mention commies and socialists f....ked my country up so badly that it will take generations to fix.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#190 Jul 17, 2013
We have some socialist politicians who I would love to blow their heads off with a .44 Magnum.
Vladimir Nazor

Athelstone, Australia

#191 Jul 17, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Btw Dalmatin, you shouldn't be too nasty to Nazis.
After all, Nazism is the closest thing to a Commie or a Socialism.
Nazism AKA National Socialism is just Socialism with a nationalist and racist spin on it.
Welfare, classless society, etc were all features of Nazi Germany.
Let's not forget the Volkswagen, German for People's car. Hitler wanted a car that everyone could afford and have. Sounds pretty socialist to me, and this is one small example.
Your Gospodin Tito had more in common with Gospodin Hitler than they had differences. One wanted unite the South Slavic people's under a Socialist ideology, other wanted to unite Germanics under a Socialist ideology. Differences are only technicalities.
Haha nice one. National Socialism was the exact opposite of Socialism, the ONLY connection is the actual word Socialism ! Budala !

I thought you were intelligent until now !

No normal person can compare HITLER'S National Socialism to Tito's OWN BRAND of Socialism ! There was technical differences between Tito' Yugoslavia & Hitlers Germany, a big, big difference, no shared fundamentals what so ever ! Shouldn't even be mentioning Tito & Hitler in the same sentences !

Did you think i was born yesterday !

Hitler's Main Goal & only consideration at the time was re-building a Nazi German War Industry & consolidating a Police State where all of his minority/religious/disabled people were eliminated ! UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !

Hitler's main priority was ridding his country of all who were not German & Genocide was what he chose after deporting minority groups became unfeasible. Very UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !

There was NO Re-Education camps in Hitler's Germany & newly conqured territorries ONLY DEATH CAMPS ! AGAIN - UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !!!!!

Now go away & think about it Smotan before you dribble any further nonsense like you did on the Serbian Cetniks Singing Thompson thread yesterday !

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#192 Jul 17, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
We have some socialist politicians who I would love to blow their heads off with a .44 Magnum.
Whoa, tone it down a bit Terminator.

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#193 Jul 17, 2013
Vladimir Nazor wrote:
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Haha nice one. National Socialism was the exact opposite of Socialism, the ONLY connection is the actual word Socialism ! Budala !
I thought you were intelligent until now !
No normal person can compare HITLER'S National Socialism to Tito's OWN BRAND of Socialism ! There was technical differences between Tito' Yugoslavia & Hitlers Germany, a big, big difference, no shared fundamentals what so ever ! Shouldn't even be mentioning Tito & Hitler in the same sentences !
Did you think i was born yesterday !
Hitler's Main Goal & only consideration at the time was re-building a Nazi German War Industry & consolidating a Police State where all of his minority/religious/disabled people were eliminated ! UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !
Hitler's main priority was ridding his country of all who were not German & Genocide was what he chose after deporting minority groups became unfeasible. Very UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !
There was NO Re-Education camps in Hitler's Germany & newly conqured territorries ONLY DEATH CAMPS ! AGAIN - UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !!!!!
Now go away & think about it Smotan before you dribble any further nonsense like you did on the Serbian Cetniks Singing Thompson thread yesterday !
The biggest difference between blokes like Hitler and Tito is that national socialists like Hitler destroy the lives of other nationalities whilst Tito and Stalin socialists like to screw their own people most of all. Two ideologies that failed the test of time.

Consigned to the dustbin of history as Trotsky would put it.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#194 Jul 17, 2013
Vladimir Nazor wrote:
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Haha nice one. National Socialism was the exact opposite of Socialism, the ONLY connection is the actual word Socialism ! Budala !
I thought you were intelligent until now !
No normal person can compare HITLER'S National Socialism to Tito's OWN BRAND of Socialism ! There was technical differences between Tito' Yugoslavia & Hitlers Germany, a big, big difference, no shared fundamentals what so ever ! Shouldn't even be mentioning Tito & Hitler in the same sentences !
Did you think i was born yesterday !
Hitler's Main Goal & only consideration at the time was re-building a Nazi German War Industry & consolidating a Police State where all of his minority/religious/disabled people were eliminated ! UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !
Hitler's main priority was ridding his country of all who were not German & Genocide was what he chose after deporting minority groups became unfeasible. Very UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !
There was NO Re-Education camps in Hitler's Germany & newly conqured territorries ONLY DEATH CAMPS ! AGAIN - UNLIKE TITO's Yugoslavia !!!!!
Now go away & think about it Smotan before you dribble any further nonsense like you did on the Serbian Cetniks Singing Thompson thread yesterday !
Now now, naturally you try to distance yourself from Nazi Germany.

Doesn't change the fact that many of the Nazi policies were of a Socialist nature, and Nazi Germany was among the first Socialist states in Europe.

The Nazis were even more Socialist before the Night of the Long Knives, after that they toned it down a bit, but they were still inherently socialist.

Fascism too, Mussolini for example as a Member of the Italian Socialist Party, and a former Marxist!

Now, I suggest you educate yourself a bit more about Nazi policies, and I mean other than Allied propaganda and what your local Rabbi told you.

You speak about genocide, concentrationcamps, ethnic cleansing?
Why don't you tell me what your beloved Partizani did to the Italian, German and Hungarian civilians?

And tone it down a bit, I dont know what is "Smotan" but I dont like the sound of it!!
Vladimir Nazor

Bexley, Australia

#195 Jul 17, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Not to mention commies and socialists f....ked my country up so badly that it will take generations to fix.
22 years have pased since the last Soviet troops left Hungary in Dec. 91'

22 years have passed since the fall of Big Bad Hungarian Socialism !

I bet it didn't take long after 1991 for all the Hungarian factories to close shop & people layed off work & forced to fend for themselves loosing their savings in the new transitioning process to Beautiful Western Capitalism !

I don't know, i didn't study much about Hungarian history . I'am just going on by what happened in East Germany when they united with West Germany. That was the big news back then.

The former East Germany became an ecconomic basket case & many East Germans became despondent & suicidal with the new United Germany & its capitalist ways.

Never mind the foreign debts that the former Socialist countries incur'ed. The bottom line is for the MOST part people sill had jobs, government assistance if needed ! & were content & felt purpose in their lives before the fall of the Iron Curtain & the transition to Capitalism

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#196 Jul 17, 2013
You got me wrong.

I am against Socialism, Communism, but I am also against Western Capitalism.

Both are evil, in different ways.

Some aspects of the previous regime were better than the equivalent today. That does not mean however that the previous regime is good.

Vladimir Nazor

Bexley, Australia

#197 Jul 17, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Now now, naturally you try to distance yourself from Nazi Germany.
Doesn't change the fact that many of the Nazi policies were of a Socialist nature, and Nazi Germany was among the first Socialist states in Europe.
The Nazis were even more Socialist before the Night of the Long Knives, after that they toned it down a bit, but they were still inherently socialist.
Fascism too, Mussolini for example as a Member of the Italian Socialist Party, and a former Marxist!
Now, I suggest you educate yourself a bit more about Nazi policies, and I mean other than Allied propaganda and what your local Rabbi told you.
You speak about genocide, concentrationcamps, ethnic cleansing?
Why don't you tell me what your beloved Partizani did to the Italian, German and Hungarian civilians?
And tone it down a bit, I dont know what is "Smotan" but I dont like the sound of it!!
You suggest that educate myself about Nazi policies - How Cute.! & i a Catholic should stop listning to my Rabbi !

Oh Lord Jesus why do i bother !!!!

Even communist party members attended Catholic mass with their families during Tito's times.

At least communists & or Socialists didn't use the church & the word of God to Climb to power & to Kill in the Name of God like the Facsists & Nationalists & National Socialists did !!!!!!!

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#198 Jul 17, 2013
Vladimir Nazor wrote:
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You suggest that educate myself about Nazi policies - How Cute.! & i a Catholic should stop listning to my Rabbi !
Oh Lord Jesus why do i bother !!!!
Even communist party members attended Catholic mass with their families during Tito's times.
At least communists & or Socialists didn't use the church & the word of God to Climb to power & to Kill in the Name of God like the Facsists & Nationalists & National Socialists did !!!!!!!
Ideally, we should be a Monarchy again.

We cannot be anything else, other than a Monarchy.

It is the only thing that suits us, the modern day so called "demokracy" is a sham, and so is Socialism, communism, etc.

I am a fond of more Authoritarian regimes, authoritarian conservative + Monarchy.

Like the it was under Admiral Horthy.
Vladimir Nazor

Medina, Australia

#199 Jul 17, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
You got me wrong.
I am against Socialism, Communism, but I am also against Western Capitalism.
Both are evil, in different ways.
Some aspects of the previous regime were better than the equivalent today. That does not mean however that the previous regime is good.
Evil, yes as in Stalin's rule, Pol Pots rule, North Korean leadership's rule maybe even Mao's rule but not with Tito.

Leaders like Tito, Castro, Chavez made a success of Socialism for their people. Maybe not perfect success but never the less the average people respected them for trying to improve living standards amongst the less advantaged.

Yes & i do agree with you on one point , that Capitalism benefits the upper class in businesses in terms of wages, salaries etc. There is no accountability with buisness managers & CEO wages but they expect their workers to take on all the pay cuts & other sacrifices .
Vladimir Nazor

Medina, Australia

#200 Jul 17, 2013
Secular Pan-Arab Socialist leaders like Syria's Bashar Al Assad, Libya's Col. Moamar Gaddafi, Iraq's Saddam Hussein & Egypt's Hosni Mobarak etc. generally did improve the lives of their people in terms of industry, manufacturing, medicine, education after the monarchists were removed.

In recent years these leaders however had to contend with changing times & foreign meddling & their people for what ever reason political or religious undermined those Secular leaders years of efforts with the idea that democracy may work out better - big risks in loss of lives & the destruction in infrastructure hope it is all worth it for the average person in those countries.
Dalmatino

Bella Vista, Australia

#201 Jul 18, 2013
Scandinavian wrote:
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Hi my friend
I am good and have 4 weeks vication from now. The weater sucks right now, and yesterday we had only 8 degrees C. So it can only be better.
Just unpacked my new speakers Kef R500...and they sounds good, so i am a happy camper i quess
Migrate to Australia, it's deepest darkest winter here right now and it's a mild 18°C. Most of the year is much warmer with long hot summers and the best looking scantily clad women in the world, it's paradise .... 8°C s for eskimos ^_^
Vladimir Nazor

Adelaide, Australia

#202 Jul 18, 2013
5 - 10 degrees all year round with plenty of wind & rain would suit me just fine.

Iceland, Greenland, U.K., Canada & Northern parts of the U.S. & Russia are the places to be.

I cant stand Australia during summer & spring
Vladimir Nazor

Adelaide, Australia

#203 Jul 18, 2013
& plenty of dark clouds & skies
Vladimir Nazor

Mile End, Australia

#204 Jul 18, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Nothing is ever really 'free' in a welfare state. Someone picks up the tab somewhere down the line. In the case of Yugoslavia it was the monetary union, the debt you mentioned. Here in Australia it is the tax payers that are hardly given any fiscal breaks so that they can foot the bill for everyone else.
Good valid points - agreed

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