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Once more on fascism knocking on the Balkan doors by Hajrudin S...

There are 2192 comments on the Today's Zaman story from Aug 30, 2009, titled Once more on fascism knocking on the Balkan doors by Hajrudin S.... In it, Today's Zaman reports that:

There are a few reasons driving me to tackle for the second time in a year the phenomenon of increasing neo-fascist and neo-Nazi sentiment and activity in the southeastern parts of Europe.

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Arvanitis Kolokotronis

Edmonton, Canada

#360 Jul 30, 2014
Kolokotronis returned to the mainland just prior to the outbreak of the war (officially, 25 March 1821) and formed a confederation of irregular Moreot klepht bands. These he tried to train and organize into something resembling a modern army. In May, he was named archistrategos or Commander-in-Chief. He was already 50 years old by this time, a fact which contributed to his sobriquet O Geros tou Morea or "The Elder of Morea," whereby Morea was another name describing the Peloponnese. Kolokotronis' first action was the defense of Valtetsi, the village near Tripoli where his army was mustering. Later, he was also the Commander of the Greek forces during the Siege of Tripolitsa. After the fall of Tripolitsa when he entered the town, they showed him a platanus in the market-place where the Turks were hanging the Greeks and he ordered to cut it down.
Arvanitis Kolokotronis

Edmonton, Canada

#361 Jul 30, 2014
His Epilogue

In the twilight of his life, Kolokotronis had learned to write in order to complete his memoirs, which have been a perennial favorite in Greece, and have been translated several times in English and other languages. Kolokotronis' famed helmet, along with the rest of his arms and armor, may today be seen in the National History Museum of Greece in Athens. In addition to the Nafplio statue mentioned earlier, there is another to be seen in Athens, in the forecourt of the Old Parliament building on Stadiou Street, near Syntagma Square.
Arvanitis Kolokotronis

Edmonton, Canada

#362 Jul 30, 2014
The Siege of Tripolitsa or the Fall of Tripolitsa (Greek) to Greek rebels in the summer of 1821 marked an early victory in the Greek War of Independence against the Ottoman Empire, which had begun earlier in that year.

It is further notorious for the massacre of its Muslim and Jewish population — the Massacre of Tripolitsa, which occurred after the city's fall to the Greek forces. As historian of the war W. Alison Phillips noted, "the other atrocities of Greeks paled before the awful scenes which followed the storming of Tripolitza".
ARVANITIS SHIPTARIOKTONOS

Edmonton, Canada

#363 Jul 30, 2014
"Civilian" (=Ottoman Islam spreading parasite) Massacres (=Cleansing)

In the three days following the capture of the city, Muslim and Jewish inhabitants of Tripolitsa were exterminated. The total number of Muslims killed during the sack was estimated by Thomas Gordon, who arrived in the city shortly after its fall, at 8,000.[19]

Beyond the 2,500 Albanian troops vouched for in advance; a tiny contingent of Turkish cavalry escaping to Nauplion; a few women who were taken as slaves; along with the harem of Hurshid Pasha; and a few notable Turks held for ransom were spared.[20]

Describing the massacres that occurred following the capture of Tripolitsa, historian W. Alison Phillips noted that:

"For three days the miserable inhabitants were given over to lust and cruelty of a mob of savages. Neither sex nor age was spared. Women and children were tortured before being put to death. So great was the slaughter that Kolokotronis himself says that, from the gate to the citadel his horse’s hoofs never touched the ground. His path of triumph was carpeted with corpses. At the end of two days, the wretched remnant of the Mussulmans were deliberately collected, to the number of some two thousand souls, of every age and sex, but principally women and children, were led out to a ravine in the neighboring mountains and there butchered like cattle."[21]
ARVANITIS SHIPTARIOKTONOS

Edmonton, Canada

#364 Jul 30, 2014
Kolokotronis says in his memoirs:[22]

"Inside the town they had begun to massacre.... I rushed to the palace ... "If you wish to hurt these Albanians," I cried, "kill me rather; for, while I am a living man, whoever first makes the attempt, him will I kill the first." ... I was faithful to my word of honor ... Tripolitsa was three miles in circumference. The [Greek] host which entered it, cut down and were slaying men, women, and children from Friday till Sunday. Thirty-two thousand were reported to have been slain. One Hydriote [boasted that he had] killed ninety. About a hundred Greeks were killed; but the end came [thus]: a proclamation was issued that the slaughter must cease.... When I entered Tripolitsa, they showed me a plane tree in the market-place where the Greeks had always been hung. I sighed. "Alas!" I said, "how many of my own clan — of my own race — have been hung there!" And I ordered it to be cut down. I felt some consolation then from the slaughter of the Turks....[Before the fall] we had formed a plan of proposing to the Turks that they should deliver Tripolitsa into our hands, and that we should, in that case, send persons into it to gather the spoils together, which were then to be apportioned and divided among the different districts for the benefit of the nation; but who would listen?"
ARVANITIS SHIPTARIOKTONOS

Edmonton, Canada

#365 Jul 30, 2014
Is Kolokotronis also "Albanian" you clueless sklavoservus?
ARVANITIS SHIPTARIOKTONOS

Edmonton, Canada

#366 Jul 31, 2014
There were about one hundred foreign officers present at the scenes of atrocities and looting committed in Tripolitsa, Friday to Sunday. Based on eyewitness accounts and descriptions provided by these officers, William St. Clair wrote:

"Upwards of ten thousand Turks were put to death. Prisoners who were suspected of having concealed their money were tortured. Their arms and legs were cut off and they were slowly roasted over fires. Pregnant women were cut open, their heads cut off, and dogs' heads stuck between their legs. From Friday to Sunday the air was filled with the sound of screams... One Greek boasted that he personally killed ninety people. The Jewish colony was systematically tortured... For weeks afterwards starving Turkish children running helplessly about the ruins were being cut down and shot at by exultant Greeks... The wells were poisoned by the bodies that had been thrown in..."[1]

"The Turks of Greece left few traces. They disappeared suddenly and finally in the spring of 1821 unmourned and unnoticed by the rest of the world....It was hard to believe then that Greece once contained a large population of Turkish descent, living in small communities all over the country, prosperous farmers, merchants, and officials, whose families had known no other home for hundreds of years...They were killed deliberately, without qualm or scruple, and there was no regrets either then or later."[23]
ARVANITIS SHIPTARIOKTONOS

Edmonton, Canada

#367 Jul 31, 2014
That's how you deal with Turks! No Mercy!

The massacre at Tripolitsa was the final and largest in a sequence of massacres against Muslims in the Peloponnese during the first months of the revolt. Historians estimate that upwards of twenty thousand Muslim men, women and children were killed during this time, often with the exhortation of the local clergy.[24][25][26]

Steven Bowman believes that, although the Jews were murdered, they were not targeted specifically, in fact: "Such a tragedy seems to be more a side-effect of the butchering of the Turks of Tripolis, the last Ottoman stronghold in the South where the Jews had taken refuge from the fighting, than a specific action against Jews per se."[27]

During the siege, eight Greek Orthodox prelates of Peloponnese were incarcerated inside the city, and five of them died before the fall.[28]
Arvanites know best

Edmonton, Canada

#368 Jul 31, 2014
Aftermath of the Tripolitsa massacre

The capture of the city of Tripolis had a salutary effect in the morale of the revolutionaries. After this event, Greeks saw that their way towards victory was possible, the entire Peloponnese bearing hardly any trace of Ottomans anymore.

On the other hand, it also marked the first strong point of discord in a previously apparently cohesive force, since the atrocities committed during the siege were at the time strongly decried and criticized by some Phanariote figures of the Greek War of Independence such as Dimitrios Ypsilantis[14] and Alexandros Mavrokordatos,.[29]

The residual bitterness over the ultimate disposition of the spoils,[30] along with generalized anarchy following the fall of the city, emphasized the divergent perspectives between the Peloponessian chieftains (military faction) and the intellectual mentors of the uprising (political faction). In time, these would develop into an internal conflict, and, later on, civil wars, within the same struggle for independence.
Arvanites know best

Edmonton, Canada

#369 Jul 31, 2014
In Peloponnese

Although the total estimates of the casualties vary, the Turkish, Muslim Albanian and Jewish population of the Peloponnese had ceased to exist as a settled community.[2]

Some estimates of the Turkish and Muslim Albanian civilian deaths by the rebels range from 15,000 out of 40,000 Muslim residents[13] to 30,000 only in Tripolitsa.[14] According to historians W.Alison Phillips, George Finlay, William St. Clair and Barbara Jelavich, massacres of Turkish civilians started simultaneously with the outbreak of the revolt,[6][9][15][16] while Harris J. Booras wrote that the massacres followed the brutal hanging of Ecumenical Patriarch Gregory V of Constantinople.[17]

Historian George Finlay claimed that the extermination of the Muslims in the rural districts was the result of a premeditated design and it proceeded more from the suggestions of men of letters, than from the revengeful feelings of the people.[18] William St. Clair wrote that: "The orgy of genocide exhausted itself in the Peloponnese only when there were no more Turks to kill."[19]
Arvanites know best

Edmonton, Canada

#370 Jul 31, 2014
Massacre of Turks (= Islamofascist products of CENTURIES of rape and humiliation of Christians in their OWN sacred lands)

When the gates opened on the 19 August 1821, the Greeks rushed in and the whole population numbering around 3000 were killed with the exception of 160 who managed to escape.[5]

Historian George Finlay noted that a Greek priest, named Phrantzes, was an eyewitness to the massacres. Based on the descriptions provided by Phrantzes, he wrote:

Women, wounded with musketballs and sabre-cuts, rushed to the sea, seeking to escape, and were deliberately shot. Mothers robbed of their clothes, with infants in their arms plunged into the sea to conceal themselves from shame, and they were them made a mark for inhuman riflemen. Greeks sized infants from their mother's breasts and dashed them against rocks. Children, three and four years old, were hurled living into the sea and left to drown. When the massacre was ended, the dead bodies washed ashore, or piled on the beach, threatened to cause a pestilence...[6]
Dr Milan Sufflay

Adelaide, Australia

#371 Jul 31, 2014
The Church, Fascist organisations & Big business walk hand in hand, whats new ?!
Marko

Australia

#372 Jul 31, 2014
Oh No wrote:
Answer this Cro Ho,. Why arent croats allowed to march in the Australian Anzac day parade?
Why are Serbian Cetniks invited to march evey year?
I am sure that the RSL knows who did what in WW2. The people that run this fought in WW2 and they know exactly who did what and who sided with who.
You dumb prik.
Marching on Anzac day has nothing to do with WW2.
Chetniks are allowed to march because you were with the allies in WW1 against the Austro-Hungarian empire. Croatia was a part of that empire. So yes we cannot march on Anzac day.
Marko

Australia

#373 Jul 31, 2014
If it was about WW2. You chetniks would not be marching as you sided with Germany.
Before you start crying, we were on the allies side.
Chetniks were not.
Really they are very similar to gutless Italians. Just change sides when it suits.
Chetniks licking German Balls in WW2
Marko

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#374 Aug 1, 2014
Marko wrote:
If it was about WW2. You chetniks would not be marching as you sided with Germany.
Before you start crying, we were on the allies side.
Chetniks were not.
Really they are very similar to gutless Italians. Just change sides when it suits.
Chetniks licking German Balls in WW2
Retarded Croatian Inbred , Chetniks during World War 2 fought against Naz!s Fascists and their Croatian Naz! collaborators

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Novi_P...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_in_Mont...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_in_Serb... (1941)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zavlak... (1941)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Loznic... (1941)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Banja_...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veselin_Misita

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srb_uprising

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mihail...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Marko

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#375 Aug 1, 2014
Turkkuracjar Haremovic wrote:
<quoted text>
I said no such thing you Sklavoputana leftover trash!
and even if I did, what does that have to do with ME! you moron! I am GREEK! not Albanian!
why are you so dense? is this level of stupidity common among you serfs? I feel my IQ dropping just by replying to you idiot! Do you think you get to decide other people's nationality?
LOL! your concept of nationality is Orthodox = Serb, Muslim=Bosniak, Catholic= Croat. That's it! and you expect a GREEK HELLENE to take your kindergarten level of comprehension of nationalism seriously? What do you servile bastards know about nationalism or ethnic identity, you are just Turk-bastardized balkanized slaves!
Your filthy mouth is full of Turks.I guess that Turks f*cked your female ancestores very hard
Marko

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#376 Aug 1, 2014
Marko wrote:
<quoted text>
You dumb prik.
Marching on Anzac day has nothing to do with WW2.
Chetniks are allowed to march because you were with the allies in WW1 against the Austro-Hungarian empire. Croatia was a part of that empire. So yes we cannot march on Anzac day.
kreso

Belmont, Australia

#377 Aug 5, 2014
pathetic.... cetnik apologist, trying to clear his conscience on a CROATIAN forum.
the whole world saw serbian/cetnik methods in 90s..........you really want to talk about 'battles against nazism or fascism' in light of the horrors your people inflicted on such massive scale, mostly against unarmed people who simply did not want to be ruled by serbs? time and time again the stories were the same, murders, rapes, tortures, burning, looting - your kin will burn in the depths of hell for what they did.
Marko wrote:
Zeppelin

Knoxville, TN

#378 Aug 5, 2014
MiIivoj wrote:
<quoted text>kssss ksssss little touchy today are you......now you know the truth just as you know Serbia did not care about krajina Serbs getting booted out of Croatia because Serbians in Belgrade considered Serbs in krajina as Morlachs.
Milivoj.
Now all the Nazis are in the government of Ukraine.
Dragutin

Dulverton, UK

#379 Aug 5, 2014
Islamic State of Serbia and Iraq will defeat fascism.

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