'Croatia will advocate for Serbia to ...

'Croatia will advocate for Serbia to get talks date'

There are 291 comments on the B92 story from Jun 21, 2013, titled 'Croatia will advocate for Serbia to get talks date'. In it, B92 reports that:

Croatian FM Vesna Pusiae said during a meeting with Tomislav Nikoliae that on June 28 Croatia will advocate for Serbia to obtain a start date for EU talks.

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Ante

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#122 Jun 26, 2013
When will poorest country in Europe - Albania start talks

Since: Mar 13

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#123 Jun 26, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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It is a third world country even in the purest cold war term third world meaning not aligned with Soviet Russia and not aligned with the USA. Currently today it is incorrect to use those terms as the cold war is over, the new terms to use are developing and developed, Serbia would be considered developing where as South Africa is generally considered developed. With regards to GDP, infrastructure, industries etc South Africa is far above Serbia, if we were comparing Yugoslavia with South Africa, Yugoslavia would definitely be the more developed country but Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore.
Yes you have to learn to like each other just like we have to learn to like the blacks and vice versa and as you can see that is no problem for ordinary people, only nationalistic hot heads and politicians have a problem. Unless you don't mind being divided and conquered then thats a different story.
South Africa is one big shanty town with a few affluent white suburbs cowering from the black majority. So much for your liking each other. I hardly think a comparison with a European country can be made.

Also, remember that China belonged to what was called non aligned so under your definition it would also be termed as 'third world'. Now you contradict yourself by saying it is incorrect to use the term in this post having said differently in the former post.

You improvise your posts a little too much I think and lose substance in the process.

Since: Mar 13

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#124 Jun 26, 2013
Karolcik wrote:
I think Strahd is right in many respects, but he continues to underestimate the West's strength, disregarding in the process that it's not all about economy, but also politics and administration.
Recently I heard that Serbia wants to rely on her military industry in the future. Nice. But they should first ask a landlocked country with a once developed military industry (such as the Czech Republic) what it takes to export military articles through foreign territories. You can easily be subject to many discriminations which can make it impossible for you to deliver on time - because you always need a transit permit. Then, when there is an international tender or an important exhibition, the neighbouring countries simply refuse to issue this permit in time or they make you disclose all information regarding the military goods and you're finished.. And we weren't even an opponent of the West, like Serbia wishes to be..
Serbia never made the decision to be an opponent of the west.
Also, if you are talking about international permits and controls who gets to make the decisions on the controls.....Germany, France, an EU bureaucrat in Brussels.
Karolcik

Prague, Czech Republic

#125 Jun 26, 2013
..another example of wilful acts by which the West exercised pressure on us happened in the times of Czechoslovakia's dismemberment.

Czechoslovakia had the area telephone code number +42. Now it had to be determined what area codes the successor states would use. It seemed natural to us that the Czech Republic should use +420 and Slovakia +421.

But Germany and others insisted on us having +420 and Slovakia +422, thus deliberately leaving space for a future independent third entity (clearly Moravia, a region in the Czech Republic with separatist tendencies). It took us much diplomatic effort to make the international community assign the number +421 to Slovakia, thus not leaving it free.

It was only after we became a part
of the EU that we ceased to be subjected to these various pressures.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#126 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
The EU member nations depend on the pipelines that run from Russia. The Russians can easily charge more, easily demand it. I highly doubt Europe will want to go through a winter without the pipes spewing the precious gas into central Europe.
The EU is nothing more than a wing of Washington, even relying on the Nato co op to have something called 'military capability'. I remember how they begged the U.S to get involved in the Balkan conflicts. It always has come to the real powers like the U.S., China and Russia.
In the case of the U.S. they have only been able to move against smaller nations, half finished conflicts Vietnam style. Once the Russians get involved their is nothing the U.S. can do. Look at Syria.
It seems that many of the posters here are actually jealous that Serbia gets to keep it's sovereignty and independence from Brussels. Notice that we hardly get any Croatians celebrating in earnest the prospect of servitude to the EU.
http://www.suyapi.com.tr/uploadimg/faaliyetle...

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#127 Jun 26, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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There are other sources of gas in the EU most notably the North sea and even landfill sites are constantly spewing out gas. And the only EU nations really affected by Russian gas are Poland, the Baltic states and Bulgaria.
You underestimate the US and overestimate Russia, the Syrian conflict is not over now is it, Assad is still fighting rebels and now alongside U.S and EU military "volunteers" who just happened to be in Syria. Russian involvement in the Kosovo issue didn't seem to stop the USA at all, it practically had no effect. Also another problem is that it's Putin against the world, he has no supporters and no body who shares his political ideas, if he is to end up like Hugo Chavez what would be left of Russia? And in the end who says Russia really cares about Serbia, so far it seems as though it is just deluded Serbian politicians who think that way. Serbia also has the future prospect of joining the EU, I mean whichever politician they have picked has always chosen the EU.
Those EU foreign policy is Washington's. I don't even take the EU seriously apart from the blunder they created in Europe.

Funny how so many brainwashed people always think that if you go against the U.S. you go against the 'world'. There was no strategic value for Russia to get involved too deeply in central and Balkan European affairs. Syria is different.

Powers like the U.S. and Russia don't move for altruistic purposes. The stakes are influence and resources. Remember, there has not been a major direct confrontation between the U.S. and a power like China or Russia up until now.

The Yanks even backed off Iran a few years back when they found out they couldn't do the ol divide and conquer routine in their case.

Serbia can never meet the demands of the EU. Incompatible despite what some in Belgrade think. Belgrade is not all Serbia by the way. Also the other way around,eastern European nations are becoming a drain on the EU. Not everyone in Germany is happy about the prospect of the Croats joining up and having to fund another bunch of starry eyed German wannabees with nothing but sunny beaches to offer. This state of affairs is unrealistic.

Since: Mar 13

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#128 Jun 26, 2013
Karolcik wrote:
..another example of wilful acts by which the West exercised pressure on us happened in the times of Czechoslovakia's dismemberment.
Czechoslovakia had the area telephone code number +42. Now it had to be determined what area codes the successor states would use. It seemed natural to us that the Czech Republic should use +420 and Slovakia +421.
But Germany and others insisted on us having +420 and Slovakia +422, thus deliberately leaving space for a future independent third entity (clearly Moravia, a region in the Czech Republic with separatist tendencies). It took us much diplomatic effort to make the international community assign the number +421 to Slovakia, thus not leaving it free.
It was only after we became a part
of the EU that we ceased to be subjected to these various pressures.
Your loyalty to Germany is duly noted.

Since: Mar 13

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#129 Jun 26, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
It's a big slice. Too fund alternatives in the North Sea is something unrealistic for the EU, considering it's other financial pressures.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/guide...
Karolcik

Prague, Czech Republic

#130 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Your loyalty to Germany is duly noted.
But it's not a one-way process, they're bound by certain obligations, too. They know that this is only possible thanks to their successful denazification and abandonment of any plans for our extermination.
Karolcik

Prague, Czech Republic

#131 Jun 26, 2013
What I like about the EU is that you almost don't hear anything about nationality. There are blocks in the EU you wouldn't believe. There is, for example, an important block of landlocked countries, there is the so called "capping block", which relates to agriculture, there is a nuclear block... But there is hardly an Anglosaxon block I think..
Strahd

Melbourne, Australia

#132 Jun 26, 2013
The EU will need to fund Croatia. They are setting aside something like €655 million for Croatia. Actually €13.7 billion has been earmarked for adjustment measures between 2014 and 2020,and the Croats have established a separate ministry, run by the deputy premier, to handle the distribution of EU money. The funding is for projects like railroad lines, new sewage treatment plants etc

However, knowing how infamous the Croatian reputation for corruption is it will be amusing to see how the Croats ‘handle the distribution of EU money’ lol

It has already been more than three years since the debt crisis hit southern Europe. This admittance of Croatia will only accelerate the problem. With worsening unemployment and the high borrowing costs that countries like Spain and Italy are already struggling with imagine what it will further do to the EU admitting Croatia in. For shts sake.
NIKOLA

Burwood, Australia

#133 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
The funding is for projects like railroad lines, new sewage treatment plants etc
However, knowing how infamous the Croatian reputation for corruption is it will be amusing to see how the Croats ‘handle the distribution of EU money’ lol
It has already been more than three years since the debt crisis hit southern Europe. This admittance of Croatia will only accelerate the problem. With worsening unemployment and the high borrowing costs that countries like Spain and Italy are already struggling with imagine what it will further do to the EU admitting Croatia in. For shts sake.
Excellent Post.

Informative, factual and unbiased.

I would also like to add that Countries like Switzerland, Russia and several Scandinavians have NOT joined the EU for good reason, many of which have been posted above.

Even Great Britain, who is a member of the EU (in name Only) Refuses to commit to the EU with the acceptance of the Euro as its currency, and staunchly holds on to the Pound Sterling, as it has NO Confidence in the EU's future!!!

Good luck to my croat neighbours, but I'm afraid it’s like they were "drowning in the Ocean and were rescued by the TITANIC" We All know how that panned out???
truth

Perth, Australia

#134 Jun 26, 2013
Croatia is very nice country.
Croatia is very attractive country too.
Croatia is country with small population too.
Croatia have tourism too and many things which need as well can develop in future.

Corruption all country on world have.

Ability to settle issue with corruption can be resolve very quickly, depend on banks trough EU.
Croatia have many opportunity in future it is great interest all neighborhood in former country need settle issue between each others will be mine problem for going forward.

Looking on other EU country borrowing in Croatia can't compare with biggest Europe as France Spain as well other country which is huge amount toward small amount in Croatia.

Future will confirm Croatia will go further.
Karolcik

Prague, Czech Republic

#135 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Serbia can never meet the demands of the EU..
:))

But the demands of the EU weren't put in place in order for member states to fulfil them. It's impossible to fulfil the demands of the EU. Only some of them are actually being enforced, such as the marketing standards for goods (for the sake of consumer protection etc.).

Most demands remain on paper and they serve merely as a means of exercising pressure on the countries when needed.

Since: Mar 13

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#136 Jun 27, 2013
truth wrote:
Croatia is very nice country.
Croatia is very attractive country too.
Croatia is country with small population too.
Croatia have tourism too and many things which need as well can develop in future.
Corruption all country on world have.
Ability to settle issue with corruption can be resolve very quickly, depend on banks trough EU.
Croatia have many opportunity in future it is great interest all neighborhood in former country need settle issue between each others will be mine problem for going forward.
Looking on other EU country borrowing in Croatia can't compare with biggest Europe as France Spain as well other country which is huge amount toward small amount in Croatia.
Future will confirm Croatia will go further.
Indeed, I am sure Croatia is a very beautiful country, something many tourists would agree with too.

Unfortunately, the issues surrounding corruption in Croatia is something that can't be resolved quickly, no matter your good will wishes. Yes, you are right that the other nations have bailout packages far in excess of what Croatia would get, but having Croatia become a member of the EU will only compound the inherent sickness existing in the Union already.

Croatia is not what the EU needs, but it is something it will get to it's further detriment.

The only benefit the EU will get from Croatia is perhaps a further 4.5 million consumers to buy German brands, but that is a drop in the ocean, a wipe out compared to the further losses the EU will have now due to this latest Balkan acquisition.

For their part the Croatians will lose their national sovereignty in the process, in the end finding out that it's the Germans and French that will be controlling the destiny of the Croatian people. This will have further implications on Croatia's culture, business, industry etc.

From next week onwards the Serbs and Croats will really belong to two separate worlds.

Since: Jun 13

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#137 Jun 27, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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South Africa is one big shanty town with a few affluent white suburbs cowering from the black majority. So much for your liking each other. I hardly think a comparison with a European country can be made.
Also, remember that China belonged to what was called non aligned so under your definition it would also be termed as 'third world'. Now you contradict yourself by saying it is incorrect to use the term in this post having said differently in the former post.
You improvise your posts a little too much I think and lose substance in the process.
Most of South Africa is actually uninhabited wilderness, thats what tourists come here for. Second it has large cities and only a small part of theses cities are shanty towns but its the same thing in Europe.

Largest slum in Europe - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europ... .

You really need to either come here or take a virtual trip on google street view, at least my country has it before you start spewing out garbage "one big shanty town". I took a trip through the neighboring Balkan countries which have street view and what I saw wasn't impressive: dirty shanty towns and suburbs filled with decaying tower blocks and abandoned houses. If Europe is so great why are you in Australia?

You sound like someone who is brainwashed into believing that in Europe streets are made of gold, Africa its all dirt and shanty towns, unfortunately black people believe it too and thats why so many of them immigrate to Europe in masses and soon they will be the majority on the continent.

I didn't say it is correct to use those terms in my previous post, I said Serbia is a third world country, in the next post I said it is incorrect to use them because they are outdated. And if we are to compare SA with Europe it can only compare with the western countries like UK, France, Germany (and even in that comparison they will lose because they are much smaller and have a much higher population density and much lower quality of life) for the eastern countries better compare them with poorer African countries like Benin.

Look I know you are jealous that my cost of living is very low compared to my salary because it is based on the wages of the people who live in those shanty towns, and your cost of living is high because it is based on a salary which is close to yours hence you have to live within your means, save, save, save, cut down on luxuries and all that BS but there is no need to take it out on my country by talking absolute BS like calling it one large shanty town (you are away its probably bigger than all the European countries, excluding Russia, put together).

Since: Jun 13

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#138 Jun 27, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
Those EU foreign policy is Washington's. I don't even take the EU seriously apart from the blunder they created in Europe.
Funny how so many brainwashed people always think that if you go against the U.S. you go against the 'world'. There was no strategic value for Russia to get involved too deeply in central and Balkan European affairs. Syria is different.
Powers like the U.S. and Russia don't move for altruistic purposes. The stakes are influence and resources. Remember, there has not been a major direct confrontation between the U.S. and a power like China or Russia up until now.
The Yanks even backed off Iran a few years back when they found out they couldn't do the ol divide and conquer routine in their case.
Serbia can never meet the demands of the EU. Incompatible despite what some in Belgrade think. Belgrade is not all Serbia by the way. Also the other way around,eastern European nations are becoming a drain on the EU. Not everyone in Germany is happy about the prospect of the Croats joining up and having to fund another bunch of starry eyed German wannabees with nothing but sunny beaches to offer. This state of affairs is unrealistic.
Yes you are going against the world, haven't you noticed? Whenever the US does something which would be considered illegal (Kosovo, Iraq, Libya) the whole world most notably Europe, Turkey and the middle eastern kingdoms (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain etc) are quick to offer support and help to the USA (in the form of military bases and cooperation) whereas if Russia does something similar (Abkhazia, South Ossetia) or opposes the US (Syria) the whole world (including ordinary people) frown upon Russia and blabber about how bad and unacceptable it is what they are doing and likewise no country offers Russia any support, even China barely supports Russia. The yanks haven't backed off Iran, when divide and conquer doesn't work such as in Iraq because the people and leaders aren't dumbasses (like Milosevic) the other way is to invent a fake threat like the nuclear weapons which were never found in Iraq and the new fake nuclear threat from Iran to justify going in there and finishing the job yourself. And really you should stop referring to them as the Yanks or the US because they are just pawns in the organization which operates in every country in the world and controls nearly every person's mind. And people aren't happy but haven't you realized that its not up to the people but up to the politicians, when people disagree out comes the water cannons and teargas to make the agree.

Since: Jun 13

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#139 Jun 27, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed, I am sure Croatia is a very beautiful country, something many tourists would agree with too.
Unfortunately, the issues surrounding corruption in Croatia is something that can't be resolved quickly, no matter your good will wishes. Yes, you are right that the other nations have bailout packages far in excess of what Croatia would get, but having Croatia become a member of the EU will only compound the inherent sickness existing in the Union already.
Croatia is not what the EU needs, but it is something it will get to it's further detriment.
The only benefit the EU will get from Croatia is perhaps a further 4.5 million consumers to buy German brands, but that is a drop in the ocean, a wipe out compared to the further losses the EU will have now due to this latest Balkan acquisition.
For their part the Croatians will lose their national sovereignty in the process, in the end finding out that it's the Germans and French that will be controlling the destiny of the Croatian people. This will have further implications on Croatia's culture, business, industry etc.
From next week onwards the Serbs and Croats will really belong to two separate worlds.
You seriously have no idea what the EU is about, its not about good economies, uniting people, making Europe strong on the global scale blah blah blah, its about control, control and control its neat way the rich people can have control over the entire European continent and continue getting richer and richer, they don't care about anything else economies, people's opinions just their money.

Since: Jun 13

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#140 Jun 27, 2013
you are aware* sorry, its the autocorrect.
Strahd

Australia

#141 Jun 27, 2013
Koraly wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of South Africa is actually uninhabited wilderness, thats what tourists come here for. Second it has large cities and only a small part of theses cities are shanty towns but its the same thing in Europe.
Largest slum in Europe - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europ... .
You really need to either come here or take a virtual trip on google street view, at least my country has it before you start spewing out garbage "one big shanty town". I took a trip through the neighboring Balkan countries which have street view and what I saw wasn't impressive: dirty shanty towns and suburbs filled with decaying tower blocks and abandoned houses. If Europe is so great why are you in Australia?
You sound like someone who is brainwashed into believing that in Europe streets are made of gold, Africa its all dirt and shanty towns, unfortunately black people believe it too and thats why so many of them immigrate to Europe in masses and soon they will be the majority on the continent.
I didn't say it is correct to use those terms in my previous post, I said Serbia is a third world country, in the next post I said it is incorrect to use them because they are outdated. And if we are to compare SA with Europe it can only compare with the western countries like UK, France, Germany (and even in that comparison they will lose because they are much smaller and have a much higher population density and much lower quality of life) for the eastern countries better compare them with poorer African countries like Benin.
Look I know you are jealous that my cost of living is very low compared to my salary because it is based on the wages of the people who live in those shanty towns, and your cost of living is high because it is based on a salary which is close to yours hence you have to live within your means, save, save, save, cut down on luxuries and all that BS but there is no need to take it out on my country by talking absolute BS like calling it one large shanty town (you are away its probably bigger than all the European countries, excluding Russia, put together).
My father work in Austria during the Tito period, and my uncle had been here after the second world war, after living in Germany since the fifties. It was an economic decision.

I was born here, and set up home and life.

Also, I am not jealous and hope your life and cost of living is favourable. On a personal level I hope you have ten more times than I have. Good for you.

You can call me socialist, but in Australia everyone is more or less the same, no one likes it if you think you are better than everyone else, but people want to have a comfortable life. I never liked countries like South Africa where such a strong disparity between the affluent and dirt poor exists.

That looks like an ugly country to me. I am sorry to offend you, but South Africa is sht.

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