'Croatia will advocate for Serbia to get talks date'

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Croatian FM Vesna Pusiae said during a meeting with Tomislav Nikoliae that on June 28 Croatia will advocate for Serbia to obtain a start date for EU talks. Full Story

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In your mind.

#102 Jun 25, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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Hallstein is a German Jewish surname, so he was a Nazi lawyer?
Not everything that ends in -stein is a Jewish name.

Its origins are Norse.
Karolcik

Prague, Czech Republic

#103 Jun 25, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Strahd, it's not Karolciks fault. He is a Bohemian. They were known for their loyalty to the Habsburgs, so unions are nothing new for them.
Karolciks, you certainly make the Hussites turn in their grave.
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#104 Jun 25, 2013
The non-aligned movement is best for Serbia.

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#105 Jun 25, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
I recommend this article for everyone:
http://blogs.euobserver.com/phillips/2013/06/...
Just further highlights the political divisions apparent in the Eurozone, and of how the Germans want to bring the periphery into line with its own political and economic rationale, this strengthening of the executive over the legislative of any particular democracy. In other words, make it more favourable for finance and industry as opposed to the constitutional framework that is more beneficial to ordinary people as one critic on your link put it.

However, even if you removed constitutional protection for labourers under the pretence that it would Ďcreate more jobsí I donít see how that would ultimately benefit the economy. As I said before, we are not living in the feudal era where a few nobles are getting to lord it over a class of dirt poor peasants who are not relied upon to be consumers of major products.

Modern capitalism is dependent on consumers. Drop the minimum wage, take away more job security by giving employers more power to hire and fire and you ultimately effect the supply and demand chain. The west needs buyers, even if the products are mostly made in China. Itís a connected system, thatís the whole beauty of it.

You start fcking the people over and you end up screwing the whole system. Itís like a machine in a way with no one really in full control. Remove a cog from the machine and it starts to break down. The very strength of this socio economic system is also its weakness. A kind of check a balance.

This scenario that you mentioned of oppressive bankers dictating the policies of the EU would be fundamentally flowed. Swing the pendulum too far one way and things go haywire. Unfortunately, they are already starting to go that way with the EU.
Devils Advocate

Australia

#106 Jun 25, 2013
The Croats can soon join the Germans and sing...

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#107 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Just further highlights the political divisions apparent in the Eurozone, and of how the Germans want to bring the periphery into line with its own political and economic rationale, this strengthening of the executive over the legislative of any particular democracy. In other words, make it more favourable for finance and industry as opposed to the constitutional framework that is more beneficial to ordinary people as one critic on your link put it.
However, even if you removed constitutional protection for labourers under the pretence that it would Ďcreate more jobsí I donít see how that would ultimately benefit the economy. As I said before, we are not living in the feudal era where a few nobles are getting to lord it over a class of dirt poor peasants who are not relied upon to be consumers of major products.
Modern capitalism is dependent on consumers. Drop the minimum wage, take away more job security by giving employers more power to hire and fire and you ultimately effect the supply and demand chain. The west needs buyers, even if the products are mostly made in China. Itís a connected system, thatís the whole beauty of it.
You start fcking the people over and you end up screwing the whole system. Itís like a machine in a way with no one really in full control. Remove a cog from the machine and it starts to break down. The very strength of this socio economic system is also its weakness. A kind of check a balance.
This scenario that you mentioned of oppressive bankers dictating the policies of the EU would be fundamentally flowed. Swing the pendulum too far one way and things go haywire. Unfortunately, they are already starting to go that way with the EU.
Unfortunately we are going back to that era which are you are too blind to see. Only difference in this era there is a thing called credit which allows the dirt poor peasants to be consumers of major products which they will then end up having to pay back the money along with interests and they will do it because we know that if a person can't pay back money to the bank they are in deep trouble, if a bank can't pay back money to people all it has to say is "sorry we are bankrupt, not our responsibility" and then it becomes the government responsibility to pay back a fraction of the people's savings.

Don't worry they aren't swinging the pendulum too far they are slowing moving it and adjusting the machine to make the rich people consumers of major products and the poor people slaves who work for them for free.

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#108 Jun 26, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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Unfortunately we are going back to that era which are you are too blind to see. Only difference in this era there is a thing called credit which allows the dirt poor peasants to be consumers of major products which they will then end up having to pay back the money along with interests and they will do it because we know that if a person can't pay back money to the bank they are in deep trouble, if a bank can't pay back money to people all it has to say is "sorry we are bankrupt, not our responsibility" and then it becomes the government responsibility to pay back a fraction of the people's savings.
Don't worry they aren't swinging the pendulum too far they are slowing moving it and adjusting the machine to make the rich people consumers of major products and the poor people slaves who work for them for free.
Thing is banks are dropping interest rates dramatically to get consumers to spend more. What is it in the U.S.....about zero. Here under 5%. I remember my parents had to pay loan repayments with well over 10% when I was a kid in the eighties.

You are not getting it. Even the banks are beholden to the market forces.

'adjusting the machine to make the rich people consumers of major products and the poor people slaves who work for them for free'

Ridiculous, there are not enough 'rich people' to cover the 'major products'. Even here people are starting to keep their cars far longer before replacing them, and Christmas sales are not what they used to be.

In the near future people will allocate most of their income towards health, food, utility bills with a modicum left over for luxuries. It is not that bleak, but it will be a little more conservative. Everyone will be effected, even the banks.
reality

Seaton, Australia

#109 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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Just further highlights the political divisions apparent in the Eurozone, and of how the Germans want to bring the periphery into line with its own political and economic rationale, this strengthening of the executive over the legislative of any particular democracy. In other words, make it more favourable for finance and industry as opposed to the constitutional framework that is more beneficial to ordinary people as one critic on your link put it.
However, even if you removed constitutional protection for labourers under the pretence that it would Ďcreate more jobsí I donít see how that would ultimately benefit the economy. As I said before, we are not living in the feudal era where a few nobles are getting to lord it over a class of dirt poor peasants who are not relied upon to be consumers of major products.
Modern capitalism is dependent on consumers. Drop the minimum wage, take away more job security by giving employers more power to hire and fire and you ultimately effect the supply and demand chain. The west needs buyers, even if the products are mostly made in China. Itís a connected system, thatís the whole beauty of it.
You start fcking the people over and you end up screwing the whole system. Itís like a machine in a way with no one really in full control. Remove a cog from the machine and it starts to break down. The very strength of this socio economic system is also its weakness. A kind of check a balance.
This scenario that you mentioned of oppressive bankers dictating the policies of the EU would be fundamentally flowed. Swing the pendulum too far one way and things go haywire. Unfortunately, they are already starting to go that way with the EU.
all this crap can be applied to countries as well.
if eu gos bang what do u think will happen to tiny almost 3rd world nations like serbistan and rest of balkans?
the more advanced countries will survive, the poor will struggle.
what about nations with high corruption like russia and ukraine etc?
how do u know serbistan won't get in to eu, they are all ready caving on kosovo?

why do u post such crap? don't u realise krudd is the pm again?
what about reality, i thought this sort of thing was irrelevant and childish.
pity ur not a politician or an economist, haha
reality

Seaton, Australia

#110 Jun 26, 2013
or smart

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#111 Jun 26, 2013
reality wrote:
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all this crap can be applied to countries as well.
if eu gos bang what do u think will happen to tiny almost 3rd world nations like serbistan and rest of balkans?
the more advanced countries will survive, the poor will struggle.
what about nations with high corruption like russia and ukraine etc?
how do u know serbistan won't get in to eu, they are all ready caving on kosovo?
why do u post such crap? don't u realise krudd is the pm again?
what about reality, i thought this sort of thing was irrelevant and childish.
pity ur not a politician or an economist, haha
Serbia isn't almost third world it is third world and always has been. Thats why the Balkans needs to look at working together because otherwise they will struggle and will be exploited by larger powers.
Sere bi ja

Australia

#112 Jun 26, 2013
NO WE ARE SERE BI JA!
RUSSIA BUILD GAS PIPELINE THROUGH ALL SERE BI JA AT DOUBLE THE PRICE THEY ARE CHARGING CROATIA, RUSSIA CHARGE NAZIS LESS MEANS INSULT HEHE WE SERE BI JANS
WE WILL HAVE MUCH ROUND STEEL PIPE, ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED.
THANK YOU RUSSIA
FCK EU WE HAVE PIPE

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#113 Jun 26, 2013
reality wrote:
<quoted text>
all this crap can be applied to countries as well.
if eu gos bang what do u think will happen to tiny almost 3rd world nations like serbistan and rest of balkans?
the more advanced countries will survive, the poor will struggle.
what about nations with high corruption like russia and ukraine etc?
how do u know serbistan won't get in to eu, they are all ready caving on kosovo?
why do u post such crap? don't u realise krudd is the pm again?
what about reality, i thought this sort of thing was irrelevant and childish.
pity ur not a politician or an economist, haha
What's this ? An idiot who is using words like 'serbistan' is trying to jump in on other posters conversations again. Piss off you immature clown and leave the discussion to the adults.

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#114 Jun 26, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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Serbia isn't almost third world it is third world and always has been. Thats why the Balkans needs to look at working together because otherwise they will struggle and will be exploited by larger powers.
After everything said about the economic uncertainty of the EU that will not be able to fund many of it's member states indefinitely you have to downgrade the discussion to 'Balkans needs to look at working together'. That's like saying 'we have to like each other and hold hands and sing' lol

Serbia is not a third world country and it is far more than a step up from that impoverished hole you call South Africa with it's crime, institutionalised corruption and rampant poverty.

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#115 Jun 26, 2013
Croatia in EU. Serbia hasn't start talks yet. No further comment needed.

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#116 Jun 26, 2013
The EU member nations depend on the pipelines that run from Russia. The Russians can easily charge more, easily demand it. I highly doubt Europe will want to go through a winter without the pipes spewing the precious gas into central Europe.

The EU is nothing more than a wing of Washington, even relying on the Nato co op to have something called 'military capability'. I remember how they begged the U.S to get involved in the Balkan conflicts. It always has come to the real powers like the U.S., China and Russia.

In the case of the U.S. they have only been able to move against smaller nations, half finished conflicts Vietnam style. Once the Russians get involved their is nothing the U.S. can do. Look at Syria.

It seems that many of the posters here are actually jealous that Serbia gets to keep it's sovereignty and independence from Brussels. Notice that we hardly get any Croatians celebrating in earnest the prospect of servitude to the EU.

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#117 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
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After everything said about the economic uncertainty of the EU that will not be able to fund many of it's member states indefinitely you have to downgrade the discussion to 'Balkans needs to look at working together'. That's like saying 'we have to like each other and hold hands and sing' lol
Serbia is not a third world country and it is far more than a step up from that impoverished hole you call South Africa with it's crime, institutionalised corruption and rampant poverty.
It is a third world country even in the purest cold war term third world meaning not aligned with Soviet Russia and not aligned with the USA. Currently today it is incorrect to use those terms as the cold war is over, the new terms to use are developing and developed, Serbia would be considered developing where as South Africa is generally considered developed. With regards to GDP, infrastructure, industries etc South Africa is far above Serbia, if we were comparing Yugoslavia with South Africa, Yugoslavia would definitely be the more developed country but Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore.

Yes you have to learn to like each other just like we have to learn to like the blacks and vice versa and as you can see that is no problem for ordinary people, only nationalistic hot heads and politicians have a problem. Unless you don't mind being divided and conquered then thats a different story.

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#118 Jun 26, 2013
Strahd wrote:
The EU member nations depend on the pipelines that run from Russia. The Russians can easily charge more, easily demand it. I highly doubt Europe will want to go through a winter without the pipes spewing the precious gas into central Europe.
The EU is nothing more than a wing of Washington, even relying on the Nato co op to have something called 'military capability'. I remember how they begged the U.S to get involved in the Balkan conflicts. It always has come to the real powers like the U.S., China and Russia.
In the case of the U.S. they have only been able to move against smaller nations, half finished conflicts Vietnam style. Once the Russians get involved their is nothing the U.S. can do. Look at Syria.
It seems that many of the posters here are actually jealous that Serbia gets to keep it's sovereignty and independence from Brussels. Notice that we hardly get any Croatians celebrating in earnest the prospect of servitude to the EU.
There are other sources of gas in the EU most notably the North sea and even landfill sites are constantly spewing out gas. And the only EU nations really affected by Russian gas are Poland, the Baltic states and Bulgaria.

You underestimate the US and overestimate Russia, the Syrian conflict is not over now is it, Assad is still fighting rebels and now alongside U.S and EU military "volunteers" who just happened to be in Syria. Russian involvement in the Kosovo issue didn't seem to stop the USA at all, it practically had no effect. Also another problem is that it's Putin against the world, he has no supporters and no body who shares his political ideas, if he is to end up like Hugo Chavez what would be left of Russia? And in the end who says Russia really cares about Serbia, so far it seems as though it is just deluded Serbian politicians who think that way. Serbia also has the future prospect of joining the EU, I mean whichever politician they have picked has always chosen the EU.
Ante

Toronto, Canada

#119 Jun 26, 2013
...Vesna Pusic (who is a vlah and not a croatian) should not advocate for serbia's entry into the EU or any other institution-that is not her business and she is a politician in serbia anyway!
She is a foreign minister who can't speak any foreign language! Only in Croatia would they tolerate that garbage!
Ante

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#120 Jun 26, 2013
Ante wrote:
...Vesna Pusic (who is a vlah and not a croatian) should not advocate for serbia's entry into the EU or any other institution-that is not her business and she is a politician in serbia anyway!
She is a foreign minister who can't speak any foreign language! Only in Croatia would they tolerate that garbage!
Since 1.7.2013 Croatia will be new EU slave
Karolcik

Prague, Czech Republic

#121 Jun 26, 2013
I think Strahd is right in many respects, but he continues to underestimate the West's strength, disregarding in the process that it's not all about economy, but also politics and administration.

Recently I heard that Serbia wants to rely on her military industry in the future. Nice. But they should first ask a landlocked country with a once developed military industry (such as the Czech Republic) what it takes to export military articles through foreign territories. You can easily be subject to many discriminations which can make it impossible for you to deliver on time - because you always need a transit permit. Then, when there is an international tender or an important exhibition, the neighbouring countries simply refuse to issue this permit in time or they make you disclose all information regarding the military goods and you're finished.. And we weren't even an opponent of the West, like Serbia wishes to be..

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