'Croatia will advocate for Serbia to get talks date'

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Croatian FM Vesna Pusiae said during a meeting with Tomislav Nikoliae that on June 28 Croatia will advocate for Serbia to obtain a start date for EU talks. Full Story

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#21 Jun 23, 2013
Koraly wrote:
<quoted text>
The EU has got way more than 10 years, the rich billionaire (putting it mildly) leaders don't want their cash and their power and exploitation over the people to just slip away in fact they only just ratified it.
Ironic you believe the EU will collapse soon but you dismiss that there is any problem with society, in fact for you the people who aren't happy and are protesting are just spoilt lazy kids but you act like you know so much about the western agenda.
The general society of the world moves on, but these experimental conglomerates always crumble. Like I once said to you, those that plan regardless of system will always win out.

The European Union is nothing more than the latest glorified social and economic experiment to unite disparate peoples and cultures, the age old European dream, another Yugoslavia or Soviet Union of sorts. You are probably no different to the type that believed in the 'thousand year' Reich or that communism was the new wave groove of the future.

Face it, the EU is already ailing with member nations on the periphery already the sick kids on the block.

'the rich billionaire (putting it mildly) leaders don't want their cash and their power and exploitation over the people to just slip away in fact they only just ratified it.'

You sound naďve. Like throwing money onto an unworkable system will save it. Might as well start money and watch the inflation fly. Read about on history and you might understand a little about this latest 20th century outdated disaster.

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#22 Jun 23, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Serbia will join the EU, that is inevitable. I don't like the EU either, but the path has been set.
Hey Strahd, do you know the saying "In every cloud there is a silver lining?"
Think about it, if Kosovo never became independent, then chances are Serbs would have been joining the EU together with the Croats, perhaps even sooner.
Life is funny like that. Same with us, if the Socialists didn't fck up our economy, then we would have been part of the Eurozone by now.
Cheers.
By the time that get's around there want be an EU, and the Serbs are too stubborn for this type of thing. It doesn't work for the EU or the Serbs, the two can never mix.

If I was an EU bureaucrat I would think it the height of stupidity to support another eastern Europe country that will only take and not give much in return, but the EU is one of the more stupid associations to date so it wouldn't surprise me if they made another mistake.

You said you never liked being part of the EU. Don't worry, this is a ride, living history in action, and if it makes you feel any better I am sure there will still be a Hungary once the EU has just become another chapter of some history book. I am sure if I had said the same thing to some of the die hard Soviets they might have said I was crazy for even thinking it. Just another 'Union' that your Hungary is a part of, is all.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#23 Jun 23, 2013
Strahd, only 38% of Hungarians voted in favour of the EU. Yet we still got in. How does that work I hear you ask? I will tell you how, there are certain interest groups who call the shots. You think nations today are independent? Some are, but many aren't. It is mainly to do with Finances, banks.

We Hungarians are also stubborn, our history is filled with uprisings, freedom fights against those who tried to oppress us.

“It is impossible to keep these ungrateful, unbending and rebellious people within bounds by reasoning with them nor can they be won over by tolerance nor ruled by law. One must fear a nation that knows no fear. That is why its will must be broken with a rod of iron..."
~General Raimondo Montecuccoli, the Habsburg military commander in Hungary, writing in the second half of the 17th century

And I repeat, only 38% of Hungarians voted in favour of the EU. But this vortex sucked us in anyway.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#24 Jun 23, 2013
The true side of the EU uncovered
http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2013/06/the-...

Same will happen to Serbia. Votes that have the "wrong" ticked will magically dissappear. Perhaps some new votes that support the EU will appear out of nowhere.

Strahd you do not realize the situation. You think "We Serbs are proud, we will definitely never join", sadly this doesn't work that way these days.

The EU will find its way to Serbia, whether Serbs want it or not. But this time they won't come with tanks, but with banks. And I will tell you what Strahd, you can forget your chetnik guerilla tactics, because these might work on German SS divisions, but they won't work against the current system.

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#25 Jun 23, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Strahd, only 38% of Hungarians voted in favour of the EU. Yet we still got in. How does that work I hear you ask? I will tell you how, there are certain interest groups who call the shots. You think nations today are independent? Some are, but many aren't. It is mainly to do with Finances, banks.
We Hungarians are also stubborn, our history is filled with uprisings, freedom fights against those who tried to oppress us.
“It is impossible to keep these ungrateful, unbending and rebellious people within bounds by reasoning with them nor can they be won over by tolerance nor ruled by law. One must fear a nation that knows no fear. That is why its will must be broken with a rod of iron..."
~General Raimondo Montecuccoli, the Habsburg military commander in Hungary, writing in the second half of the 17th century
And I repeat, only 38% of Hungarians voted in favour of the EU. But this vortex sucked us in anyway.
The way you got out of the Soviet Union, it will be similar with the EU, except it will be more economically pronounced. In many ways I feel sorry for Europe. Sometimes when I look at a map and see all those endless small nations, and the fevered frenzy to unite what can never truly united, from Bonaparte to this, I can understand why the success has gone to the Americans, Russians and Chinese.

It's one of the reasons that the confused EU will always be tied to Nato. Europe is a fckin disaster in the planning, and this all came from the fact that you had so many ethnicities squeezing into that northwestern Eurasian peninsula, when priority should have gone to maybe six or eight nations at most. I can only laugh when I see that there are calls to split off more nations.

I shouldn't say this cause my ancestry is from Europe, but Europe looks embarrassing to me.
Serbonazis

Buffalo, NY

#26 Jun 23, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
The way you got out of the Soviet Union, it will be similar with the EU, except it will be more economically pronounced. In many ways I feel sorry for Europe. Sometimes when I look at a map and see all those endless small nations, and the fevered frenzy to unite what can never truly united, from Bonaparte to this, I can understand why the success has gone to the Americans, Russians and Chinese.
It's one of the reasons that the confused EU will always be tied to Nato. Europe is a fckin disaster in the planning, and this all came from the fact that you had so many ethnicities squeezing into that northwestern Eurasian peninsula, when priority should have gone to maybe six or eight nations at most. I can only laugh when I see that there are calls to split off more nations.
I shouldn't say this cause my ancestry is from Europe, but Europe looks embarrassing to me.
stupid dreams about few nations

Since: Mar 13

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#27 Jun 23, 2013
Serbonazis wrote:
<quoted text>stupid dreams about few nations
As eloquent as always.
Karolcik

Prague, Czech Republic

#28 Jun 23, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
The way you got out of the Soviet Union, it will be similar with the EU, except it will be more economically pronounced. In many ways I feel sorry for Europe. Sometimes when I look at a map and see all those endless small nations, and the fevered frenzy to unite what can never truly united, from Bonaparte to this, I can understand why the success has gone to the Americans, Russians and Chinese.
It's one of the reasons that the confused EU will always be tied to Nato. Europe is a fckin disaster in the planning, and this all came from the fact that you had so many ethnicities squeezing into that northwestern Eurasian peninsula, when priority should have gone to maybe six or eight nations at most. I can only laugh when I see that there are calls to split off more nations.
I shouldn't say this cause my ancestry is from Europe, but Europe looks embarrassing to me.
Unions work everywhere. In fact, most states in the world are unions of many distinct ethnicities. But only stupid Europeans living their regionalist dreams create independent states of them.

For example, your favourite countries like Brazil, China or Russia are tighter or looser unions, too. In Ivory Coast and Vietnam you would find tens of different ethnicities and languages in each. Should they balkanize themselves according to Eastern European recipe?
Strahd

Australia

#29 Jun 23, 2013
Karolcik wrote:
<quoted text>
Unions work everywhere. In fact, most states in the world are unions of many distinct ethnicities. But only stupid Europeans living their regionalist dreams create independent states of them.
For example, your favourite countries like Brazil, China or Russia are tighter or looser unions, too. In Ivory Coast and Vietnam you would find tens of different ethnicities and languages in each. Should they balkanize themselves according to Eastern European recipe?
Sure, Unions work....for a limited time. Those 'tighter unions' as you term them are centrally controlled by a traditional and dominant national entity, that being the nation state. In the case of China we are talking about a Mandorin and Cantonese speaking population. There is a difference between minorities that exist in say Russia or even the United States, and that of the European Union which is a very loose conglomerate of bickering nations and cultures, also religions. It's a mess, not workable in the long term and is a sad and desperate measure by smaller European nations seeking to hold their own against the future Russian and Chinese powers. Serbia is better suited to looking to the east.
reality

Seaton, Australia

#30 Jun 24, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
The general society of the world moves on, but these experimental conglomerates always crumble. Like I once said to you, those that plan regardless of system will always win out.
The European Union is nothing more than the latest glorified social and economic experiment to unite disparate peoples and cultures, the age old European dream, another Yugoslavia or Soviet Union of sorts. You are probably no different to the type that believed in the 'thousand year' Reich or that communism was the new wave groove of the future.
Face it, the EU is already ailing with member nations on the periphery already the sick kids on the block.
'the rich billionaire (putting it mildly) leaders don't want their cash and their power and exploitation over the people to just slip away in fact they only just ratified it.'
You sound naďve. Like throwing money onto an unworkable system will save it. Might as well start money and watch the inflation fly. Read about on history and you might understand a little about this latest 20th century outdated disaster.
cannot be compared to x-jug or soviet union as in this case the participants all joined willingly.
when u say periphery u really mean poor nations who struggle anyway..
u don't understand history or economics
Serbonazis

Buffalo, NY

#31 Jun 24, 2013
Karolcik wrote:
<quoted text>
Unions work everywhere. In fact, most states in the world are unions of many distinct ethnicities. But only stupid Europeans living their regionalist dreams create independent states of them.
For example, your favourite countries like Brazil, China or Russia are tighter or looser unions, too. In Ivory Coast and Vietnam you would find tens of different ethnicities and languages in each. Should they balkanize themselves according to Eastern European recipe?
you are just another servian sicko
Strahd

Australia

#32 Jun 24, 2013
reality wrote:
<quoted text>
cannot be compared to x-jug or soviet union as in this case the participants all joined willingly.
when u say periphery u really mean poor nations who struggle anyway..
u don't understand history or economics
You dope, Croatia joined Yugoslavia willingly, back when it was a kingdom, and even your Tito was part Croat.

The Russians have vast oil deposits, control major gas pipelines into Europe, the only nation that can still successfully put satellites into orbit, and have one of the largest military's on this planet. As for China, why do you think our politicians are licking Beijing's a55, and begging the Chinese to invest here.

Do some research on history and economics before posting, instead of jerking off on my posts you imbecile.

Since: Jun 13

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#33 Jun 24, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
The general society of the world moves on, but these experimental conglomerates always crumble. Like I once said to you, those that plan regardless of system will always win out.
The European Union is nothing more than the latest glorified social and economic experiment to unite disparate peoples and cultures, the age old European dream, another Yugoslavia or Soviet Union of sorts. You are probably no different to the type that believed in the 'thousand year' Reich or that communism was the new wave groove of the future.
Face it, the EU is already ailing with member nations on the periphery already the sick kids on the block.
'the rich billionaire (putting it mildly) leaders don't want their cash and their power and exploitation over the people to just slip away in fact they only just ratified it.'
You sound naďve. Like throwing money onto an unworkable system will save it. Might as well start money and watch the inflation fly. Read about on history and you might understand a little about this latest 20th century outdated disaster.
You are actually the naive one, believing propaganda, when the facts are slamming you in the face. The propaganda of the EU was to unite people of different cultures and have better cooperation when in reality it is to take control of the banks and industries of all the european nations, have all the taxes going to Brussels and then distributed to the various leaders, have all the profit from industries going to these leaders, and then blame the people that they are poor because they were spending too much when in reality the leaders were sucking them dry, now with that as an excuse for austerity cuts they (leaders) can stop leaving them money for healthcare, education, benefits etc. and instead spend it on more important items such as their new 1000 square meter diamond pool, while the people work for them for practically nothing, sounds like modern day slavery doesn't it.

The EU is a disaster, no one is saying its not but will this disaster collapse I don't think so unless all the people of Europe are somehow armed to defend themselves against teargas and water canons and organize a revolution, the leaders who are benefitting from this disaster will not just let it go.

Second of all the difference between the EU and Yugoslavia / USSR is that the latter two were federations, on the global map you would see them as one whole country (the federation) not the individual countries (which made people feel oppressed). The EU is just an economical and political union which makes it a de-facto federation but officially all the countries are still sovereign even though de-facto they are not.

Thirdly the people who were responsible for the USSR and Yugoslavia's demise were the same people who benefit from the EU's existence. Why would they go through the trouble? To take control of a small dependent country all you got to do is sanction them and enforce a trade embargo and then just wait till their economy collapses and they overthrow their government and put your people in charge. For a larger country which has a fair share of natural resources such as Russia and South Africa sanctions will not work because the country can survive on self-sufficiency and all it will do is cut done on luxuries such as iPads, Playstation games etc and the sanctions will end up hurting the countries enforcing the sanctions rather than the sanctioned country, so for those countries you have to find another way to get them in your control and an ethnic conflict is the easiest and simplest way.

Since: Jun 13

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#34 Jun 24, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, Unions work....for a limited time. Those 'tighter unions' as you term them are centrally controlled by a traditional and dominant national entity, that being the nation state. In the case of China we are talking about a Mandorin and Cantonese speaking population. There is a difference between minorities that exist in say Russia or even the United States, and that of the European Union which is a very loose conglomerate of bickering nations and cultures, also religions. It's a mess, not workable in the long term and is a sad and desperate measure by smaller European nations seeking to hold their own against the future Russian and Chinese powers. Serbia is better suited to looking to the east.
In my country there are so many ethnicities, languages, cultures that I can't even count them all. Nobody has problems with different ethnicities, or languages. We all speak English and we all practice our different cultures at home. Nobody is killing each other on an ethnic bases.

The real divide is between two races and it is mostly at a political level and it's the politicians trying to create artificial racial conflicts and tension, to distract from more pressing matters e.g corruption, when in reality normal people do not have a problem with each other.

Unions can work but they have to have good political will which will distribute wealth equally amongst the different members and not just concentrate it into one area while exploiting the others.

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#35 Jun 24, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
You dope, Croatia joined Yugoslavia willingly, back when it was a kingdom, and even your Tito was part Croat.
The Russians have vast oil deposits, control major gas pipelines into Europe, the only nation that can still successfully put satellites into orbit, and have one of the largest military's on this planet. As for China, why do you think our politicians are licking Beijing's a55, and begging the Chinese to invest here.
Do some research on history and economics before posting, instead of jerking off on my posts you imbecile.
Such a shame Serbia is licking China's ass, IMO China is worse than the USA it has the same imperialistic goals except the USA does things indirectly and makes you think it your choice, makes you think you are free while China does things the old fashioned way "do as say or you'll be tortured to death".
Serbonazis

Buffalo, NY

#36 Jun 24, 2013
Koraly wrote:
<quoted text>
Such a shame Serbia is licking China's ass, IMO China is worse than the USA it has the same imperialistic goals except the USA does things indirectly and makes you think it your choice, makes you think you are free while China does things the old fashioned way "do as say or you'll be tortured to death".
you are very wrong about USA, however, you are right about red murderous china monsters
Strahd

Australia

#37 Jun 24, 2013
Koraly wrote:
<quoted text>
You are actually the naive one.....
Rubbish, we both know that the Germans and French are pulling the strings. At least the Brits have enough sense to keep the pounds sterling and are not making the mistake to switch to the Euro.

Don't get me wrong, the Germans worked hard after losing the last world war, no BS excuses about Ottomans keeping them behind, and I respect their work ethic, but they were never all that bright when it came to political ideologies and the like.

Most of the eastern European nations were barely out of feudalism, no middle class established when they were cajoled into communism. Most of these nations think that in one fell swoop they will become EU members, enjoy the rewards of the Euro, lounge around in coffee shops like in the former years, except the Germans 'will make us rich', c'mon.

Work it out, if I was in Brussels I would ask the question, now what are these fcks going to give us in return. I am playing the Devil's advocate here. Nothings free. Man fodder in military ventures is one, and some of the Eastern European countries are already being manoeuvred to provide their troops in deployments involving EU members.

The zone between France and just west of Russia is in chaos, if you can't see the warning signs in what has been happening in Greece and the widening economic disaster set to hit Spain and Italy than I don't know what planet you are on, and you expect me to believe that the EU will somehow unite Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims under this candy a55ed umbrella, surely you jest.
With the EU it was never a question of 'if', but of 'when' it will collapse.

'the leaders who are benefitting from this disaster will not just let it go'

These things are not under our control, never for too long. Read a history book. If they were the Roman Empire, perhaps the greatest experiment at unifying Europe would still be in power today.
Strahd

Australia

#38 Jun 24, 2013
Koraly wrote:
<quoted text>
In my country there are so many ethnicities, languages, cultures that I can't even count them all. Nobody has problems with different ethnicities, or languages. We all speak English and we all practice our different cultures at home. Nobody is killing each other on an ethnic bases.
The real divide is between two races and it is mostly at a political level and it's the politicians trying to create artificial racial conflicts and tension, to distract from more pressing matters e.g corruption, when in reality normal people do not have a problem with each other.
Unions can work but they have to have good political will which will distribute wealth equally amongst the different members and not just concentrate it into one area while exploiting the others.
I think you said on another thread that you might be from South Africa. Are you fcking nuts, I know an Afrikaans couple that left S Africa to get away from the sht hole.

Highest crime rate in the world, biggest car jacking, and the whites hire private security firms to protect them from the blacks that might be following them back to their nice barbed wire with the bars over the windows home. A token commie black that was made head of the country doesn't change the economic and political reality of your country.

Now those black ghettos, sht, the dog I had once lived in a better kennel than those tin work slp dash box accomodations your coloreds, blacks and Zulus 'live' in.

'will distribute wealth equally amongst the different members'

Yeah, I know many members want the Euros for nothing. lol.

Dalmatin

Adelaide, Australia

#39 Jun 24, 2013
The E.U. is a Big Boys Club.

All of the smaller nations joining this un-holy alliance will no longer have theyre own independent foreign policies & independent ecconomic policies.

The larger E.U. member states will have the say in everything & the smaller member states will have to tow the line, it is already happening !!!!

For example Croatia & al Assad's Syria & Gaddafi's Libya were ecconomic & strategic friends & partners under President Stipe Mesic's leadership but with the new President Ivo Josipovic's more vigorous pro-E.U. stance these old friendships from the past have been abandoned in favour of the E.U's foreign policy

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#40 Jun 24, 2013
Serbonazis wrote:
<quoted text>you are very wrong about USA, however, you are right about red murderous china monsters
The news of the leaked information on global surveillance should prove it to you, USA says we are not spying, we are protecting your safety by looking out for potential terrorists (We all know the real reason) whereas China would say we are spying on you because we are making sure none of you is going against the system. Now naive people would actually believe it is to look out for terrorists, but they have yet to learn what the US truly considers a terrorist and in reality a terrorist in the US is the same thing as a terrorist in every dictatorial regime i.e. someone who is against the regime, terrorism is the most convenient offense to accuse them of.

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