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altinthegreatest albanian

Winnipeg, Canada

#1194 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure I understand what you say.
The balkans as a whole are not very well excavated.
Greece is still partially explored and ymind you ot is the most excavated land in the planet the last 150 years.
Albania is practically untouched.
The rest of the balkans are just begining.
So yes we have a lot to find and new findings may test old knowledge.
It is hard work for openminded people.
i agree...
Al-Berto

Tirana, Albania

#1195 Aug 16, 2013
altinthegreatestalbanian wrote:
<quoted text>you are off topic ,hypocrite.. i'm replying to nonsense they put forth. i'm not but a humble albanian donig my civic duty ..after all..
Altin, I did explain you that I had not insultive objectives against you or any other one in this forum. Your civil duty is to be a good student (if you are a student) or a good professionist.
They are many adolescents who just swich the arguments messing up with anything and loosing in other arguments too different from the one they started.
Trust me, doing what is required from you is much better than replying to any silly insultion in this forum.
This does not mean that you should shout up ;), but just don't get lost in any fruitless "war".
altinthegreatest albanian

Winnipeg, Canada

#1196 Aug 16, 2013
Al-Berto wrote:
<quoted text>Altin, I did explain you that I had not insultive objectives against you or any other one in this forum. Your civil duty is to be a good student (if you are a student) or a good professionist.
They are many adolescents who just swich the arguments messing up with anything and loosing in other arguments too different from the one they started.
Trust me, doing what is required from you is much better than replying to any silly insultion in this forum.
This does not mean that you should shout up ;), but just don't get lost in any fruitless "war".
yeah i supoose you are right ,they are adolescent simpletons ...
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1197 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not claim anything.
Alexander is a Greek name just like Pyrros.
I agree with you that Greece is in the center of intelectual and scientific for two millenia.
And that is why we know that Pyrros and Alekxandros are Greek names.
The Pelasgian hypothesis is studied for over 150 years and up to now nothing is found.
Not nothing to support the hypothesis, just nothing.
Of course if modern methods are applied and more resourses are available new data may come to light.
This will take time.
History is what is recorded and we have plenty of records but they are not enough.
That is why scientific research continues.
Scientific research is a valuable tool for aquiring the truth while insults are a confession of failure.
Personally I do not think that the Illyrian hypothesis is a failed one.
What you said is corrent , even if the time is not just 10 years we still have a lot to find.
Albania and the rest of the balkans are practically archeologically unexplored.
It might take time but if the truth is there someone sooner or later will find it.
Alexander is greek name and Pirro haaa. Funny thing is No matter what I say or what proof I give to you still you will refuse to accept what is historical truth. You dont want Albanians to be Illyrians and you will go out of your way to say and prove that just like the serbs. Alexander greek? Just like Alexander the great was greek? or Pirro molossion of the Molossian tribe? haa Understand this something can not be greek because you or the Europeans claim it is greek. and I told you there is no such thing as greek on Hellenic
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1198 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure I understand what you say.
Arvanites are mentioned the same time we hear about Albanians.
So it is safe to say that for 10 centuries Albanians and Arvanites are two different people who share a language.
Even if they were once Albanians they have a Greek consious for 10 centuries.
So I do not think that Albanian is accurate for them.
Europeans knew the history romans knew and this means they knew what a Greek is.
Greeks are historically the best defined people of the planet.
Greek history is documented without interuptions since 2000 bC.
So we all very well know what and who the Greeks are.
Unlike Illyrians, Thracian, Dalmatian, Liburni etc people.
Now if you want to say that you are Illyrians I do not think anyone will complain.
If you want to prove that you are Illyrians then you should know that scientists will have a saying.
10 Centuries? in 1445 Arvanites George Arvanite was fighting with Skenderbeg against the turks, Skenderbegs wife Andronika Arianiti was from the Arianiti tribe who ruled and controlled the south of Albania. Arvanites relocated to greece maybe around late 1400s after Albania fell to the hand of the turks. Tell me who were the greeks exactly?
These are the dialects of the people who were called Hellens. East Ionic, Central Inic, West ionic, Attic, Aeolic, Thessalian, Boetinian, Arcadian, Cyprian, Pamphylian, Laconian, Messenian, Argive, Corinthian, Megarean, Cretan, Theran, Rhodian, Aetolian, Locrian, Achean, Elean. Tell me were the Arcadians and the Argives the same race? what about the Laconians and Messenians? Who exactly were these tribes and where did they come from?
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1199 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Homer presents Troyans as speaking Greek, having relations (blood ties) to Greeks, worshiping the same Gods and observing the same customs.
So yes I would say the way Homer present them and archeological research proves yes they were Greek.
Mycyneans were Greeks.
Again excavations proved that.
Linear b was decyphered by Ventris in the 50s.
It was Greek.
It was sillabic and had some similarities with Linear A.
Linear A has not been decyphered yet.
Some researchers say that it is not Greek.
We will see.
The Minoan civilisations up to now seems to be Greek.
When Linear A is going to be decyphered we will know better.
I have never heard a Greek saying we do not want you to be Illyrians.
It is you who start calling names if we ask simple questions.
That is a good way to show that you do not believe in the theory yourselves.
The answer is simple: DIG!
If the truth is there someone will find it.
Look again Mycean and Mionian Civilizations are not Hellenic. They share neither culture or heavenly believes or architecture or anything with the Hellens. And those were not the only civilizations they have found new distinct ones in different islands. Monians were bull worshipers totally different from the Hellens or Pelasgians. In their architecture there are traces of Egyptian style like in columns and the Babylonian architecture. The mionians and Myceans were fare too advanced to be Hellens or Pellasgians the are something different. They claim they translated Linear B and Linear A but they have no idea not a single clue what it means and they still dont know to this day. all they have is bunch of theories still they dont know nothing. but those ancient civilizations were absolute fascinating and there are other ones they are finding more ancient under volcanic ash in various islands. There was one where they had inside toilets more than 3000 years ago

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Athina

#1200 Aug 17, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>Alexander is greek name and Pirro haaa. Funny thing is No matter what I say or what proof I give to you still you will refuse to accept what is historical truth. You dont want Albanians to be Illyrians and you will go out of your way to say and prove that just like the serbs. Alexander greek? Just like Alexander the great was greek? or Pirro molossion of the Molossian tribe? haa Understand this something can not be greek because you or the Europeans claim it is greek. and I told you there is no such thing as greek on Hellenic
Proof?

You gave no proof.

You just told me what historical fact you do not like and what alternative you would prefer.

This is what preschool aged children do in the kindergarden.

So can you please provide a proof there is no such think as Hellenic other than the fact you do like it.

(that means not copy pasting but explaining your thesis)

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1201 Aug 17, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>10 Centuries? in 1445 Arvanites George Arvanite was fighting with Skenderbeg against the turks, Skenderbegs wife Andronika Arianiti was from the Arianiti tribe who ruled and controlled the south of Albania. Arvanites relocated to greece maybe around late 1400s after Albania fell to the hand of the turks. Tell me who were the greeks exactly?
These are the dialects of the people who were called Hellens. East Ionic, Central Inic, West ionic, Attic, Aeolic, Thessalian, Boetinian, Arcadian, Cyprian, Pamphylian, Laconian, Messenian, Argive, Corinthian, Megarean, Cretan, Theran, Rhodian, Aetolian, Locrian, Achean, Elean. Tell me were the Arcadians and the Argives the same race? what about the Laconians and Messenians? Who exactly were these tribes and where did they come from?
Well first of all these were not tribes.

These were people from City - States (Megareans or Argives) or geographical areas (Cyprus, Ionia, Thessalia etc).

The Greeks were divided in Ionians, Dorians, Aeolians and Achains.

Their language was the same although there were many dialects and they shared common traditions, common religion and common culture.

All these are studied for at least 2 millenia and so we know for Greeks more than any other people on the planet.

If you know please tell me names of Albanian scientists who confront these historical facts and their own thesis.

(please do not insult our intelligence by copy pasting from books)

“Aposkotison me!”

Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1202 Aug 17, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>Look again Mycean and Mionian Civilizations are not Hellenic. They share neither culture or heavenly believes or architecture or anything with the Hellens. And those were not the only civilizations they have found new distinct ones in different islands. Monians were bull worshipers totally different from the Hellens or Pelasgians. In their architecture there are traces of Egyptian style like in columns and the Babylonian architecture. The mionians and Myceans were fare too advanced to be Hellens or Pellasgians the are something different. They claim they translated Linear B and Linear A but they have no idea not a single clue what it means and they still dont know to this day. all they have is bunch of theories still they dont know nothing. but those ancient civilizations were absolute fascinating and there are other ones they are finding more ancient under volcanic ash in various islands. There was one where they had inside toilets more than 3000 years ago
First of all Myceneans are Greeks because Linear B prooves that.

Also the findings are compatible with the findings we have from classical Greece.

There are 2 things you forget.

One is called I N T E R A C T I O N and that explain foreign influences from Egypt or Mesopotamia and also explains why Illyrians since the classic times had adopted the Greek culture and that makes very hard the effort to find Illyrian traces after the Hellinistic times since the Illyrians had a cultural identity similar to the Greek.

The other thing is called E V O L U T I O N.

Obviously even if you are a direct offspring of an Illyrian chiftein (something I do not deny only pointing out that it is still an hypothesis) you look nothing like him.

I mean you wear no toga, you carry no sword, you live in a house made of cemment, you drive a car and not a cart etc.

It is very siomple for anyone to understand that the late bronze era was different from the iron era.

Mycyneans used copper, Classic Greeks used iron.

That alone explain 80% in all differences.

Minoan and the Aegean civilisations as the arcsheological and anthropological findings suggest were created from the same people who were later named Greeks.

The Linear A is not yet decyphered so when this happens we will verify that.

Who told you that Linear B is not decyphered?
Kop

Luton, UK

#1203 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well first of all these were not tribes.
These were people from City - States (Megareans or Argives) or geographical areas (Cyprus, Ionia, Thessalia etc).
The Greeks were divided in Ionians, Dorians, Aeolians and Achains.
Their language was the same although there were many dialects and they shared common traditions, common religion and common culture.
All these are studied for at least 2 millenia and so we know for Greeks more than any other people on the planet.
If you know please tell me names of Albanian scientists who confront these historical facts and their own thesis.
(please do not insult our intelligence by copy pasting from books)
what intelligence you talking about because you shown yourself not to be smart at all
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1204 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Proof?
You gave no proof.
You just told me what historical fact you do not like and what alternative you would prefer.
This is what preschool aged children do in the kindergarden.
So can you please provide a proof there is no such think as Hellenic other than the fact you do like it.
(that means not copy pasting but explaining your thesis)
Heres your proof on silver plate. First of Alexander the great was son of Olympia who was daughter of King Irras of the Molossian tribe of Epirus and Molossians were not greeks no matter what greeks claim even hellenic historians do not claim the Molossians as one of the greek tribes they were barbarians. Alexaners father as Philip the II son of Eurodice and Amytas the II. Eurodice was Illyrian princes. Amytas the II mother was Also Illyrian i dont know her name and his father was Molossian also. King Pirro of Epirus or Pirro Molossian was cousin to Alexander the great from his Mothers side. Pirro was descendant of the Molossians who like I said were not hellenic even though they did speak Attic Greek. Pirro did come to the Aid of the Hellens who were subjugated by the romans but in tern he tried to rule them which they refused. So neither Pirro or Alexander was Greek nor their names. Now when Thracians tried to conquer Epirus which was led by Pirro thracian soldiers put down their weapons and kneeled before Pirro because he looked just like Alexander. They even offered him the throne of Macedonia he ruled briefly but later refused

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1205 Aug 17, 2013
Kop wrote:
<quoted text>
what intelligence you talking about because you shown yourself not to be smart at all
If not mine than it must be yours.
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1206 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well first of all these were not tribes.
These were people from City - States (Megareans or Argives) or geographical areas (Cyprus, Ionia, Thessalia etc).
The Greeks were divided in Ionians, Dorians, Aeolians and Achains.
Their language was the same although there were many dialects and they shared common traditions, common religion and common culture.
All these are studied for at least 2 millenia and so we know for Greeks more than any other people on the planet.
If you know please tell me names of Albanian scientists who confront these historical facts and their own thesis.
(please do not insult our intelligence by copy pasting from books)
I dont think you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. There were different races in Hellenic Empire. First of all most Obvious Pelasgians were the first in the area but they were conquered by Hellens which first settled in Cyprus then Peloponnese so that can not be denied that there were barbarians in hellenic empire, then There were Phonecians, many Phonecian Kings ruled the Hellens i dont remember names but i am 1000% sure that there have been Phoeneciant rules in hellens, then there were Argives which romans sources described as being black these were the Egyptians the so called Danan Danids, we have proof of Argive Shield and other distinct things. The religious beliefs of the Hellens were adopted from the Barbarians. Zeus was Barbarian Sun god, Illyrians called him Perendi, Thracians symbolize him in their vergina sun, Illyrians also had the swastica for same meaning as the thracian sun which was God Zeus Knowledge divine peace. Greek sources dictate that the Dorians eventually took back the land of their ancestors for the Invaders now who were these invaders in the Peloponese? Unlike you I dont read wikipedia to learn history
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1207 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all Myceneans are Greeks because Linear B prooves that.
Also the findings are compatible with the findings we have from classical Greece.
There are 2 things you forget.
One is called I N T E R A C T I O N and that explain foreign influences from Egypt or Mesopotamia and also explains why Illyrians since the classic times had adopted the Greek culture and that makes very hard the effort to find Illyrian traces after the Hellinistic times since the Illyrians had a cultural identity similar to the Greek.
The other thing is called E V O L U T I O N.
Obviously even if you are a direct offspring of an Illyrian chiftein (something I do not deny only pointing out that it is still an hypothesis) you look nothing like him.
I mean you wear no toga, you carry no sword, you live in a house made of cemment, you drive a car and not a cart etc.
It is very siomple for anyone to understand that the late bronze era was different from the iron era.
Mycyneans used copper, Classic Greeks used iron.
That alone explain 80% in all differences.
Minoan and the Aegean civilisations as the arcsheological and anthropological findings suggest were created from the same people who were later named Greeks.
The Linear A is not yet decyphered so when this happens we will verify that.
Who told you that Linear B is not decyphered?
Wrong. Mycenaean and Mionian civilizations sprung from no where and were unlike any civilization in the region. they even look different. You should study Attic Greek. Origins and evolution of Attic Greek. It is unclear when Attic Greek was created but we do know that the Attic Greek language or alphabet was based from the Phonecian Alphabet and there are heavy influences form Hebrew even though we find influences from Pelasgian. Attic Greek was first adopted by Atheanians later on it was adopted by Ionians who added gama and omega to the alphabet and then it was adopted by other tribes Hellenic and non hellenic constantly changing evolving modifing and today we see Koine greek which is mixture of Armenian Hebrew Attic Greek and Albanian language. Heavy influences from Albanian many root words come from Albanian. And that is why Koine greek is so heavily punctuated and irregular because constantly it was modified and adopted by non greek speakers. For a long time Historians did not understand and called a holy language because it was so different and they associated it with the Byzantine church. The distinct Greek cross, or the greek cross church. You are wrong Minoan and Mycenaean civilizations were unlike anything in the region there are influences even in albania we have ceramics and pottery from the Mycenaean age there have been influences you can say that the Hellens were influenced by the Myceneans and Mionians and be correct but you can not claim them to be hellens. I read somewhere that the Linear B still is unclear look into the guy who translated or has helped translate it He is a Greek professor in University in US. that I know for sure
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1208 Aug 17, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>I dont think you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. There were different races in Hellenic Empire. First of all most Obvious Pelasgians were the first in the area but they were conquered by Hellens which first settled in Cyprus then Peloponnese so that can not be denied that there were barbarians in hellenic empire, then There were Phonecians, many Phonecian Kings ruled the Hellens i dont remember names but i am 1000% sure that there have been Phoeneciant rules in hellens, then there were Argives which romans sources described as being black these were the Egyptians the so called Danan Danids, we have proof of Argive Shield and other distinct things. The religious beliefs of the Hellens were adopted from the Barbarians. Zeus was Barbarian Sun god, Illyrians called him Perendi, Thracians symbolize him in their vergina sun, Illyrians also had the swastica for same meaning as the thracian sun which was God Zeus Knowledge divine peace. Greek sources dictate that the Dorians eventually took back the land of their ancestors for the Invaders now who were these invaders in the Peloponese? Unlike you I dont read wikipedia to learn history
I meant to say Crete

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1209 Aug 17, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>I dont think you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. There were different races in Hellenic Empire. First of all most Obvious Pelasgians were the first in the area but they were conquered by Hellens which first settled in Cyprus then Peloponnese so that can not be denied that there were barbarians in hellenic empire, then There were Phonecians, many Phonecian Kings ruled the Hellens i dont remember names but i am 1000% sure that there have been Phoeneciant rules in hellens, then there were Argives which romans sources described as being black these were the Egyptians the so called Danan Danids, we have proof of Argive Shield and other distinct things. The religious beliefs of the Hellens were adopted from the Barbarians. Zeus was Barbarian Sun god, Illyrians called him Perendi, Thracians symbolize him in their vergina sun, Illyrians also had the swastica for same meaning as the thracian sun which was God Zeus Knowledge divine peace. Greek sources dictate that the Dorians eventually took back the land of their ancestors for the Invaders now who were these invaders in the Peloponese? Unlike you I dont read wikipedia to learn history
I can see that you do not read.

Who told you all that?

“Aposkotison me!”

Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1210 Aug 17, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. Mycenaean and Mionian civilizations sprung from no where and were unlike any civilization in the region. they even look different. You should study Attic Greek. Origins and evolution of Attic Greek. It is unclear when Attic Greek was created but we do know that the Attic Greek language or alphabet was based from the Phonecian Alphabet and there are heavy influences form Hebrew even though we find influences from Pelasgian. Attic Greek was first adopted by Atheanians later on it was adopted by Ionians who added gama and omega to the alphabet and then it was adopted by other tribes Hellenic and non hellenic constantly changing evolving modifing and today we see Koine greek which is mixture of Armenian Hebrew Attic Greek and Albanian language. Heavy influences from Albanian many root words come from Albanian. And that is why Koine greek is so heavily punctuated and irregular because constantly it was modified and adopted by non greek speakers. For a long time Historians did not understand and called a holy language because it was so different and they associated it with the Byzantine church. The distinct Greek cross, or the greek cross church. You are wrong Minoan and Mycenaean civilizations were unlike anything in the region there are influences even in albania we have ceramics and pottery from the Mycenaean age there have been influences you can say that the Hellens were influenced by the Myceneans and Mionians and be correct but you can not claim them to be hellens. I read somewhere that the Linear B still is unclear look into the guy who translated or has helped translate it He is a Greek professor in University in US. that I know for sure
Let as start from the most simple part.

Who translated Linear B?

Since you do not read wikipedia:

http://www.classics.cam.ac.uk/faculty/researc...

As you see Michael Ventris was anything but "a Greek professor in University in US".
Kop

Luton, UK

#1211 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let as start from the most simple part.
Who translated Linear B?
Since you do not read wikipedia:
http://www.classics.cam.ac.uk/faculty/researc...
As you see Michael Ventris was anything but "a Greek professor in University in US".
you bullshi t around like candy but we are not buying find yourself someone else

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1212 Aug 17, 2013
Kop wrote:
<quoted text>
you bullshi t around like candy but we are not buying find yourself someone else
I am sorry you make no sense.
Kop

Luton, UK

#1213 Aug 17, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sorry you make no sense.
yours did not make sense mine did if you knew english

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