Albania-Kosovo military agreement raises concerns in Serbia

Jul 11, 2013 Full story: SETimes news 3,191

The signing of a status of forces agreement between Kosovo and Albania promises to bolster co-operation between the two countries, but has raised security concerns in neighbouring Serbia.

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#1172 Aug 16, 2013
altinthegreatestalbanian wrote:
<quoted text>i think Bulgaria need more mental hospitals because you all are koqe! what a bunch of crap!i not blaming anyone other the people living there because what does England or France know about us ? nothing! we know the different between us and we know what belongs to whom, get off my land you psycho..stop pushing your view on us " we are the same" its crap because if were all the same why do target us? why do make lie that we the smallest group in europe is attacking you how? why did give people tanks ,why do you block us on the international stage like the with eu and on ,etc ? i will tell you why , because Bulgarian are all jealous of our virtue and magnificent light we give off.your afraid of who we are and what we will become , you supplied tanks to the serbs why ? because you are too stupid , lol you didn't know where the door was.. you are my possessor when i want freedom ..you are a terrorists regime that promise us prosperity and then denies our basic right of liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. thank you
Funny you mention mental hospitals because it seems you need one, sending tanks to the Serbs, and we are all the same you are reading things which I didn't write/ You didn't answer the question "how were you not treated as humans" why because you didn't have 70% of FYROMS territory in Albania, sees that's the problem you claim land where no Albanians live, e.g. no Albanians live in Ohrid not one but its commonly claimed in the Greater/Ethnic whatever you call it. Yes you should blame England, France, they decided everyone'e border just like they did in Africa and the Middle, that's why Istanbul (Constantinople) and Eastern Thrace is currently part of Turkey, it was and still is part of their imperialistic goals, in the region and the middle east, had anyone protested against the borders their countries wouldn't have existed, they would have been given entirely to Turkey. In today's time we are "sticking to the borders of former Yugoslavia" deal with it.

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#1173 Aug 16, 2013
altinthegreatestalbanian wrote:
<quoted text>there you go, i wrote history... accepted , write down and move on back to Africa..
See that's the problem, now you except Greeks to not be related to ancient Greeks because you say so, and move on back to Africa, if the oldest Europeans should move back to Africa then should everyone because we are after all, al from Africa.

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#1174 Aug 16, 2013
altin wrote:
<quoted text>
well I would not do either because my snot is pure then you ...I won you lost stop you whinning,what you cheese to with it.. give up already and go back to India..no one cares about Bulgarians ,they don't even know where you from , most like they think you're bolivian but without the runs.. ;)
Go "back to India", contradicts with your previous statement "we are not asking for the whole of Eastern Europe", everyone will stay where they are, and now you see why borders will not change, cause first you do one thing and make yourself look like all innocent but then you reveal your true intentions. Had

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1175 Aug 16, 2013
Seriously now any is there any Albanian able to suggest a scientific book or a writer explaining the link between Albanians and Illyrians?
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1176 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
Seriously now any is there any Albanian able to suggest a scientific book or a writer explaining the link between Albanians and Illyrians?
First of all Albanians are not Illyrians Albanians in Albania re Illyro-thracian they descended from illyro thracian tribes so get your fact together. Firs of all the most obvious and logical explanation. Albanians inhabit and live on the same regions the Illyrians and thracians and dacians used to live. Second fact Albanians speak Illyro-Dacian Dialect of Pelasgian language oldest language in Europe older than gayreek gibberish and the retarded language you call Koine greek. god knows it Attic greeks makes more sense and far more comprehensible. Other fact simply put Albanians have same names as the ancient Kings of Illyria. Agron, Barthyl, Bato, Genti, Genci, Teuta, Adrea, Adreatic, Aleksander, Pirro etc etc which shows that over generations people would name their sons and daughters based on the names of their predecessors they even practice this today my cousin has my grandfathers name. The most obvious fact Romans and Gay race describe the Illyrians and Thracians and Dacians and other barbarian tribes as quite unstable angry brutal and violent people and they were very fearful of them. And today Albanians carry those traits in their blood. Another fact based on ancient depictions and sculptures there are significant resembleses of Albanians and Illyrians certain facial characteristics constructions in body, Illyrians were pretty big in size so are the Albanians that are from the North, thracians on the other hand were far more skilled and clever but smaller in size typical of Albanians in South. There are many roman and other ancient writings every gayreek which describe the barbarians their culture their traditions. Like the Phyrric dance which albnaians have been practicing for thousands of years or the fustanella which was ancient garment and would influence the roman soldiers uniform later on. Barbarians were Sun worshipers Zeus Perendi to the Illyrians and the many other gods the gay race claims they are greek and there was the cult of the Sun and the Cult of the Snake which both symbols the gay race stole and claims are hellenic. and many many others. Why are you so interested anyway? or is it because you are Turk-Arvanite with no connections to the Hellens and want to disprove that Albanians are Illyrians?
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1177 Aug 16, 2013
Koraly wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny you mention mental hospitals because it seems you need one, sending tanks to the Serbs, and we are all the same you are reading things which I didn't write/ You didn't answer the question "how were you not treated as humans" why because you didn't have 70% of FYROMS territory in Albania, sees that's the problem you claim land where no Albanians live, e.g. no Albanians live in Ohrid not one but its commonly claimed in the Greater/Ethnic whatever you call it. Yes you should blame England, France, they decided everyone'e border just like they did in Africa and the Middle, that's why Istanbul (Constantinople) and Eastern Thrace is currently part of Turkey, it was and still is part of their imperialistic goals, in the region and the middle east, had anyone protested against the borders their countries wouldn't have existed, they would have been given entirely to Turkey. In today's time we are "sticking to the borders of former Yugoslavia" deal with it.
Deal with it? thats what you think. No Albanians in Ohri? you serbs are hilaroius
Kop

Luton, UK

#1178 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
Seriously now any is there any Albanian able to suggest a scientific book or a writer explaining the link between Albanians and Illyrians?
what come up with lie what greeks do?

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1179 Aug 16, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>First of all Albanians are not Illyrians Albanians in Albania re Illyro-thracian they descended from illyro thracian tribes so get your fact together. Firs of all the most obvious and logical explanation. Albanians inhabit and live on the same regions the Illyrians and thracians and dacians used to live. Second fact Albanians speak Illyro-Dacian Dialect of Pelasgian language oldest language in Europe older than gayreek gibberish and the retarded language you call Koine greek. god knows it Attic greeks makes more sense and far more comprehensible. Other fact simply put Albanians have same names as the ancient Kings of Illyria. Agron, Barthyl, Bato, Genti, Genci, Teuta, Adrea, Adreatic, Aleksander, Pirro etc etc which shows that over generations people would name their sons and daughters based on the names of their predecessors they even practice this today my cousin has my grandfathers name. The most obvious fact Romans and Gay race describe the Illyrians and Thracians and Dacians and other barbarian tribes as quite unstable angry brutal and violent people and they were very fearful of them. And today Albanians carry those traits in their blood. Another fact based on ancient depictions and sculptures there are significant resembleses of Albanians and Illyrians certain facial characteristics constructions in body, Illyrians were pretty big in size so are the Albanians that are from the North, thracians on the other hand were far more skilled and clever but smaller in size typical of Albanians in South. There are many roman and other ancient writings every gayreek which describe the barbarians their culture their traditions. Like the Phyrric dance which albnaians have been practicing for thousands of years or the fustanella which was ancient garment and would influence the roman soldiers uniform later on. Barbarians were Sun worshipers Zeus Perendi to the Illyrians and the many other gods the gay race claims they are greek and there was the cult of the Sun and the Cult of the Snake which both symbols the gay race stole and claims are hellenic. and many many others. Why are you so interested anyway? or is it because you are Turk-Arvanite with no connections to the Hellens and want to disprove that Albanians are Illyrians?
Before I answer your points can you tell me the name of an Author or a Book explaining the connection between Illyrians and Albanians.
altinthegreatest albanian

Winnipeg, Canada

#1180 Aug 16, 2013
Al-Berto wrote:
<quoted text>Altin, PLEASE!
Don't waste your time, Milena's and mine time with this out-topic discussion.
It is about Albani-Kosova agreement which raises concerns in Serbia.
You and Milena are talking s.th. which is totally different. It is alike to get the Tickets for China and taking the plane for USA.
you are off topic ,hypocrite.. i'm replying to nonsense they put forth. i'm not but a humble albanian donig my civic duty ..after all..
altinthegreatest albanian

Winnipeg, Canada

#1181 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
Seriously now any is there any Albanian able to suggest a scientific book or a writer explaining the link between Albanians and Illyrians?
yes there is! however you being rude , can't you read this is about Albania-Kosovo military agreement raises concerns in Serbia. start another thread and i help you out..
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1182 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Before I answer your points can you tell me the name of an Author or a Book explaining the connection between Illyrians and Albanians.
so what the fck makes you think I will waist my time looking up authors and books to satisfy a gayreek troll who is trying very hard to disprove albanians are illyrians you want proof here it is doesnt get better than this
http://www.fwf.ac.at/en/public_relations/pres...
say something now gayreek.
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1183 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Before I answer your points can you tell me the name of an Author or a Book explaining the connection between Illyrians and Albanians.
Out of curiosity but I know and understand what kind of hateful spiteful race the gay kind is but. Arent Albanians Illyrians because you dont us to be or because you dont like it and doesnt fit with the greek everything is greek agenda? But then again you are people who claim Arvanites and Suliotes were greeks haaa Quite fascinating brainwashed breed you people are. but its not your fault you were taught these things by the Eurofags. I can understand if Albanians claimed that Spartans or Athenians were Illyrians which simply is not true but this shit is ridiculous. You are not Illyrians because the serbs and the greeks and the eurofags are hateful and spiteful piece of shit jealous people and dont want you to be Illyrians because it conflicts with their agenda of everything is greek and ancient serbs who lived in the Balkans. haaa Even educated and Historian gayreeks are retards.

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1184 Aug 16, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>.....
Of course I will.

What anthropological, archailogical, biological and historical proof can you present for that?

As you very well understand living in the same area does not make you an Illyrian or a Thracian.

Illirian and Thracians might lived once there but in the same area today Slavs and Bulgarians live.

So immigration is a much also a reasonable explanation.

In fact it is a more reasonable explanation because sometime around 500 ad there is no mention to anything Illyrian.

So it makes perfect sense the posibility of extermination of the original Illirians and Thracians of the area.

That would obviously mean that you have no relation with them as newcomers.

Language now.

Do you have anything written in Illyrian language?

If you do you will be a hero because noone else has anything.

We know some words mentioned in Greek texts and some names (Pyrros and Alexander by the way are Greek names) but 20 - 30 words are not enough to prove a theory.

This means it still remains an hypothesis.

Now Pelasgian is also uknown.

All we know is whatever Greek historians mention about it.

Now as you obviously understand you can not prove that something you do not know is conected with something you ignore.

Modern day Albanians have various names but Albanians of the 18th century had names like : Ishmael, Qemal, Hasim, Ali, Abdyl etc.

Those do not sound very Illyrian, don't you think?

The Christian Albanians had typical Christian names like Mark, Gjon, Victor etc.

Those also do not sound very Illyrian, don't you think?

The Romans and the Greeks described them as barbarians but they beat thhe crap out of them and conquered them without much dificulty.

And not only that Illyrians were practically bilingual since the classic era getting Greek names and education becoming much less barbaric that what you may thing.

As for modern day Albanians yes they have a fame for selling human organs, drugs, guns, trafficking etc and loosing every single confrontation in their short history.

For excample Greeks pulverised the elit Albanian battalions that were organic to the Italian Divisions in the Greek - Italian war, Yugoslavian Guerrilas time and again ridiculed the 21. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS „Skanderbeg“(albanische Nr. 1) and modern day Serbians ... well we all know what happened.

So what is your point?

Yes you have a similarity just like felines as cats have some similarity with lions but cats are basically sweet fluffy kittens.

As for the physical similarity I was in Yugoslavia many years ago and when I was in Prishtina, I was just like anyone else and I am 1,75.

So again unless you can provide anthropometric data what you say proves nothing.

As for dances and customs we know so little things about the Illyrian ones that we can make no assumptions.

For excample naming your son after your father is an old custom observed by Greeks for millenia and we know that because we can find in any Greek city its necropolis were the tombstones show excactly that.

Your dances and garments show more a close connection with other people in the area than links with people of the past.

As for the religion after the language Illyrians learned Greek customs and Gods.

This is the obvious explanation.

The actuall connection is not impossible, only your arguments are not relevant.

Albania is a new state and it will take time to perform proper excavations.

When this happens what we will find might be even more interesting than the Illyrian - Albanian connection.

As for your question I am a Macedonian and not an Arbaniti.

A friendly advice, if you tell an Arvaniti that he might not be Greek it is better to be in another room, in another building, in another city, in another country, in another continent calling with a hidden number and having the engine running in a very fast car because Arvanites are not as humourous as I am.

Thank you for your patience.

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1185 Aug 16, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>Out of curiosity but I know and understand what kind of hateful spiteful race the gay kind is but. Arent Albanians Illyrians because you dont us to be or because you dont like it and doesnt fit with the greek everything is greek agenda? But then again you are people who claim Arvanites and Suliotes were greeks haaa Quite fascinating brainwashed breed you people are. but its not your fault you were taught these things by the Eurofags. I can understand if Albanians claimed that Spartans or Athenians were Illyrians which simply is not true but this shit is ridiculous. You are not Illyrians because the serbs and the greeks and the eurofags are hateful and spiteful piece of shit jealous people and dont want you to be Illyrians because it conflicts with their agenda of everything is greek and ancient serbs who lived in the Balkans. haaa Even educated and Historian gayreeks are retards.
Science is about different opinions.

I do not disagree with you I just want a serious set of scientific arguments.

The Illyrian - Albanian connection is a valid hypothesis.

Unfortunatelly we have no evidence.

That is not a denial of the possible connection.

That means only that someone must do research.

150 years ago Troy and Mycynae were a myth.

Sleeman did some digging and he found both and there you are: Greek history starts 500 years earlier (1300 bC).

80 years ago Linear b was not considered Greek.

Ventris did some decyphering and there you are: Greek history starts an other 500 years earlier (1800 bC).

What I want to say is that instead of insulting me and teaching hate to your children, let them get educated and be the ones who will find the truth about your past.

And that past might be much more glorious than we can imagine.

What do you think, calling me names is a better tool than archaeological excavations?

Anyway if you want to insult me, it is easy, exchanging documented opinions is hard.

I know that I was a little agressive in my previous post but the truth is that I do not actually dislike Albanians.
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1186 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I will.
You see what I mean Alexander Greek name Pirro greek name haaaa Extermination No mention of Illyria of course in 500 Ad Illyra was called Dalmacia. Yes slavs invaded 600-700 Ad The dacians got exterminated the moesians some of the thracians but the illyrians retreated to the mountains and seacoast and defended their territories from the slavs. Tell me Greek. For how long has there been archeological and anthropological, studies of Pelasgian language studies in culture history etc Maybe past 10 years. How long have eurofags studied Greece? Since 1200s. I can only argue reason and true historical events and facts now if you choose to believe or accept them thats whole other issue but your goal here is not understanding or historical truth or revelance. Your goal just like the goal of every other greek is to just claim everything is greek. I can not help you with that
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1187 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>

The actuall connection is not impossible, only your arguments are not relevant.
Albania is a new state and it will take time to perform proper excavations.
When this happens what we will find might be even more interesting than the Illyrian - Albanian connection.
As for your question I am a Macedonian and not an Arbaniti.
A friendly advice, if you tell an Arvaniti that he might not be Greek it is better to be in another room, in another building, in another city, in another country, in another continent calling with a hidden number and having the engine running in a very fast car because Arvanites are not as humourous as I am.
Thank you for your patience.
You answer your own questions mate why do you ask me? Never mind what arvanites thinks what Is Historical truth? Where did the arvanites come from and when? My arguments are no relevant because you dont want them to be. haa Remember what I said we are not illyrians or thracians or dacians because the greeks the serbs eurofags, russians do not want us to be because we conflict with their everything is greek and ancient slavs of the balkans. You myfriend are in denial I can not argue reason or logic with someone who is unreasonable and refuses to accept historical facts. You are greek so that in itself gives me the explanation you need. Do you know that there is no race or has ever been a race of people called greeks? only the Hellens and even they were a very cosmopolitan empire from argives, arcadians, dorians, corinthians, phonecians etc etc. You know what the History of Greece is? Europeans in 1600s simply said this is greece you are greeks this your history to the arvanites and turks who were in greece. but its a free world you and the arvanites can be as much greek as you like but dont tell us we are Illyrians because you dont want us to be. hilarious.
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

#1188 Aug 16, 2013
Yannis_21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Science is about different opinions.
I do not disagree with you I just want a serious set of scientific arguments.
The Illyrian - Albanian connection is a valid hypothesis.
Unfortunatelly we have no evidence.
That is not a denial of the possible connection.
That means only that someone must do research.
150 years ago Troy and Mycynae were a myth.
Sleeman did some digging and he found both and there you are: Greek history starts 500 years earlier (1300 bC).
80 years ago Linear b was not considered Greek.
Ventris did some decyphering and there you are: Greek history starts an other 500 years earlier (1800 bC).
What I want to say is that instead of insulting me and teaching hate to your children, let them get educated and be the ones who will find the truth about your past.
And that past might be much more glorious than we can imagine.
What do you think, calling me names is a better tool than archaeological excavations?
Anyway if you want to insult me, it is easy, exchanging documented opinions is hard.
I know that I was a little agressive in my previous post but the truth is that I do not actually dislike Albanians.
do you believe Troy was a Hellenic State? do you think the Mycean and Mionain civilizations were Hellenic? Do you know why translated linear B? It was a greek from university in US I forget Arizona or Tenese one of the states in the south. He with an American claimed he translated linear B but the Mycenaean alphabet is a complete mystery to them no connections whatsoever with Attic Greek which originates from the Phoenicians. you think I am insulting you? More research is need but tell for how long have the eurofags been studying and looking into Albania? or Illyrians? maybe in the year 2000 and now 13 years haaa that gives you the answer you are looking for. Before you get interested in the Illyrians you should look closely and study the hellens and Attic Greek and the different tribes the different dialects etc. You can not give someone reason or someone can not get reason out of thin air one must have it in his blood. At least say You are not Illyrians because we dont want you to be. that would more noble and honest on your part

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1189 Aug 16, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>You see what I mean Alexander Greek name Pirro greek name haaaa Extermination No mention of Illyria of course in 500 Ad Illyra was called Dalmacia. Yes slavs invaded 600-700 Ad The dacians got exterminated the moesians some of the thracians but the illyrians retreated to the mountains and seacoast and defended their territories from the slavs. Tell me Greek. For how long has there been archeological and anthropological, studies of Pelasgian language studies in culture history etc Maybe past 10 years. How long have eurofags studied Greece? Since 1200s. I can only argue reason and true historical events and facts now if you choose to believe or accept them thats whole other issue but your goal here is not understanding or historical truth or revelance. Your goal just like the goal of every other greek is to just claim everything is greek. I can not help you with that
I did not claim anything.

Alexander is a Greek name just like Pyrros.

I agree with you that Greece is in the center of intelectual and scientific for two millenia.

And that is why we know that Pyrros and Alekxandros are Greek names.

The Pelasgian hypothesis is studied for over 150 years and up to now nothing is found.

Not nothing to support the hypothesis, just nothing.

Of course if modern methods are applied and more resourses are available new data may come to light.

This will take time.

History is what is recorded and we have plenty of records but they are not enough.

That is why scientific research continues.

Scientific research is a valuable tool for aquiring the truth while insults are a confession of failure.

Personally I do not think that the Illyrian hypothesis is a failed one.

What you said is corrent , even if the time is not just 10 years we still have a lot to find.

Albania and the rest of the balkans are practically archeologically unexplored.

It might take time but if the truth is there someone sooner or later will find it.

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Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1190 Aug 16, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>You answer your own questions mate why do you ask me? Never mind what arvanites thinks what Is Historical truth? Where did the arvanites come from and when? My arguments are no relevant because you dont want them to be. haa Remember what I said we are not illyrians or thracians or dacians because the greeks the serbs eurofags, russians do not want us to be because we conflict with their everything is greek and ancient slavs of the balkans. You myfriend are in denial I can not argue reason or logic with someone who is unreasonable and refuses to accept historical facts. You are greek so that in itself gives me the explanation you need. Do you know that there is no race or has ever been a race of people called greeks? only the Hellens and even they were a very cosmopolitan empire from argives, arcadians, dorians, corinthians, phonecians etc etc. You know what the History of Greece is? Europeans in 1600s simply said this is greece you are greeks this your history to the arvanites and turks who were in greece. but its a free world you and the arvanites can be as much greek as you like but dont tell us we are Illyrians because you dont want us to be. hilarious.
I am not sure I understand what you say.

Arvanites are mentioned the same time we hear about Albanians.

So it is safe to say that for 10 centuries Albanians and Arvanites are two different people who share a language.

Even if they were once Albanians they have a Greek consious for 10 centuries.

So I do not think that Albanian is accurate for them.

Europeans knew the history romans knew and this means they knew what a Greek is.

Greeks are historically the best defined people of the planet.

Greek history is documented without interuptions since 2000 bC.

So we all very well know what and who the Greeks are.

Unlike Illyrians, Thracian, Dalmatian, Liburni etc people.

Now if you want to say that you are Illyrians I do not think anyone will complain.

If you want to prove that you are Illyrians then you should know that scientists will have a saying.

“Aposkotison me!”

Since: Jan 11

Athina

#1191 Aug 16, 2013
Barbarian wrote:
<quoted text>do you believe Troy was a Hellenic State? do you think the Mycean and Mionain civilizations were Hellenic? Do you know why translated linear B? It was a greek from university in US I forget Arizona or Tenese one of the states in the south. He with an American claimed he translated linear B but the Mycenaean alphabet is a complete mystery to them no connections whatsoever with Attic Greek which originates from the Phoenicians. you think I am insulting you? More research is need but tell for how long have the eurofags been studying and looking into Albania? or Illyrians? maybe in the year 2000 and now 13 years haaa that gives you the answer you are looking for. Before you get interested in the Illyrians you should look closely and study the hellens and Attic Greek and the different tribes the different dialects etc. You can not give someone reason or someone can not get reason out of thin air one must have it in his blood. At least say You are not Illyrians because we dont want you to be. that would more noble and honest on your part
Homer presents Troyans as speaking Greek, having relations (blood ties) to Greeks, worshiping the same Gods and observing the same customs.

So yes I would say the way Homer present them and archeological research proves yes they were Greek.

Mycyneans were Greeks.

Again excavations proved that.

Linear b was decyphered by Ventris in the 50s.

It was Greek.

It was sillabic and had some similarities with Linear A.

Linear A has not been decyphered yet.

Some researchers say that it is not Greek.

We will see.

The Minoan civilisations up to now seems to be Greek.

When Linear A is going to be decyphered we will know better.

I have never heard a Greek saying we do not want you to be Illyrians.

It is you who start calling names if we ask simple questions.

That is a good way to show that you do not believe in the theory yourselves.

The answer is simple: DIG!

If the truth is there someone will find it.

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