Explain the dif between Serbs, Kosovo, Albanians..

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#111
Jan 20, 2007
 
Vukasin wrote:
Europe is composed of Christian countries while Kosovo Albanians are 95% Moslem and they want a seperate country now. Once they were all Christians in the 14th century but converted to Moslem religion when Ottoman Turks came "for a good Turkish dinner". No other nation in the Balkans did it. Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia they were all strong in their faith and preserved the Christian religion of their ancestors. Only Albanians were weak and became Moslem to please and serve their new masters Ottoman Turks.
your right look at france thoses guys where the christen heart of europe now look half of them a muslims france should be shamed top have let in so many now they have people yelling allah on the streets same withj us though tito that moron let in so many albanians

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#112
Jan 20, 2007
 
dark wrote:
croations are nazis the bosnians are a fucked up breed of serbs and serbs are the best
All hail Dark for he speaks the truth, death to Shiptars and Janicas. Srbija ili smrt.
KosovO je Srbija
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#113
Jan 20, 2007
 
Serbs are Iranic people from Kavkaz, physical anthropology did proove that. So serbs should go back to their darkskinned hommeland Kavkaz Iranica and stop trolling in forums.

Serbs are darkskinned people from Kavkaz who brought only devestation to europe.
This goes to FYROMS as well
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#114
Jan 21, 2007
 
Serbs have allways been the darkest people of former Jugosllavia, thats why they were reffered as cigans:
The word shkije in the Albanian language is a derogatory word for Serbs [2]. The term "Vlah" was used in a similar fashion by Bosnian Muslims during the Ottoman rule (1459-1878)([3]). The same word has also been used by Croats ([4]). The term "Cigan," meaning Gypsy, is also a popular derogatory word for Serbs among Croats

http://www.answers.com/topic/serbophobia
As one can see most of jugosllav people reffered to serbs in a fashion wich suggests their dark pigmentation, so yes indeed serbs are darkskinned people from Kavkaz.
catholic croat

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#115
Feb 5, 2007
 
the website of the diff. charecteristics of slov.,cros,dalm,bos,herceg,mon t, is not 100% accurate, in america in civil war the mean height was 5feet 7 in, that is short in all of croatia,mario ancic is 6ft5in.,he is dalmat,in herceg,my cousins on one uncles side, the shortest is 6ft,2in, the oldest cous is 6ft7in, i'm 6ft3in,in hercegovina average ht is 6ft,to 6ft,5in,eastern hercegovina was old mont,before the turks,montenegro was crma gora,short for red mountain,as in white croats and red croats from istria to albania,dusan forced conversions,only on coast remain croats,dusan was able to do so bcause,croats had the coast and 1000islands to protect from venice, the slavonian part from hungary, the rest from ottomans, in fact montenegrins r sebianized croats, and albos from skreljas, gazivoda, zadrima,mirdita originated in bosnia,but ran 4 the hills bcause of the infidel turks, this is in book high albania from edith durham, there r tall cros,herzeg,mont,and albos, but it has to do alot with better diet, 4 instance after civil war, usa got more advanced, the soldiers ate mor nutrient rich food ,they gradually got taller,in herzegovinia, more than half r both tall and broad like bears, bfore guns it was hand to hand with swords,thats y we croats were able to hold the dalm.,coast and precious 1000,s of islands and fertile farm ground.
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#116
Feb 5, 2007
 
Moaning Serbs wrote:
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I am proud of being Albanian as I accept you shoud be proud of what you are but please stop the blame game, it is not true that we Albanians always are terrorist and we always try to kill you, that is baseless all albanians of ballkans have and always want peace saying that we do have criminals that burn churches and hate people but we always have delt and will deal with them in the future but this terrorisem you try to throw on us under the pretext of Kosovo being majority muslims because it does not wash today or egxist because everyone knows terrorisem is ignorance and hater and just to remind you in the history of our neighbour countries you as a nation come out more terrorist than anyone else, you have very fresh terrorist past in Bosnia,Croatia, Kosovo and you still insist on your old ways. What i don't understand is how could you claim Kosovo when your goverment used genocide againt inocent population of kosovo under the name of terrorisem, how can you expect to be wellcomed back to kosovo to take over after all that suffering you coused. There were terrorist than according to your goverment but you started to kill and displace the complete Albanian population or I forgot all Albanians were terrorist because they were simply muslims and that is shame couse that is unbeliveable.
Mister never forgret we albanians have only one god and that is being Albanians and surviving in this world from barbarisem.
But we already cleanced our terrorists.
There are few of them hiding but they will be dead too.
Remember how we finished Arkan and milosevic.
And you need to disband KLA as we did to JSO and other terrorist units.
You too need to understand that mission of our guvernement was to get serbs togeder if the others want to separate. The same as yours. non?
In the war there are many people geting crasy, its normal, and they kill inocent civilians.
And as you know the serbs were killed as well (Bosnia 30 000 muslims, 18 000 serbs dead)
the only reason that there was more muslims dead is that we was "much" stronger that our enemies.
But beleve me if serbian army was all crasy and came down there to kill everibody there will no more muslims left. If they came whit planes, tanks, helicopeters and begin bombing everywhere (they dont even need to go in) a ask you what will left after 1 mounth?
I dont like when you say that we are invaders, i dont know one countrie that we attacked.
When we attack other countrie to take their land?
Never happend, even if we was in position (enought strong) to conquer other countries many times.
And you dont need to respond to those kids comments because they didnt even sad something inteligent till now. Only "dump ass motherfu**er"
Its easy to say that.
You dont know who the true serbs are
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#117
Feb 5, 2007
 
Magyar wrote:
Serbs have allways been the darkest people of former Jugosllavia, thats why they were reffered as cigans:
The word shkije in the Albanian language is a derogatory word for Serbs [2]. The term "Vlah" was used in a similar fashion by Bosnian Muslims during the Ottoman rule (1459-1878)([3]). The same word has also been used by Croats ([4]). The term "Cigan," meaning Gypsy, is also a popular derogatory word for Serbs among Croats
http://www.answers.com/topic/serbophobia
As one can see most of jugosllav people reffered to serbs in a fashion wich suggests their dark pigmentation, so yes indeed serbs are darkskinned people from Kavkaz.
Do you know how croats killed 1 milion serbs civilians in ww2 too???
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#118
Feb 5, 2007
 
Satyr wrote:
From Caucasian Albania I imagine; you know... what is called now Azerbaijan; the people there are "Tatars"; and the anthropologists say the majority of balkan Albanians (the ones in the northern Albania & Kossovo) are the descendants of those Tatars, brought from there (by the Ottomans) in order to settle the deserted lands of forsaken (forsaken then, and forsaken now too; all Albanians escape from their beloved motherland to serve anyone who pays them) Albania.
You and the Azeris were the favorite boys (jannisaries) of the Ottoman army which was led by old fairies, who were vicious kidf.ckers.
What kind of racist crap thories are these... U Styr, are u Greek? You should know that the Greeks are the darkest in the Ballkans and that they are totally genetically mixed with the Turks and look least Caucasian than the rest of Europe! Bear in mind that Caucasian is used for white Europeans!

We Albanians didn't come from anywhere but are indigenous people, descendants of Illyrians. The presence of name Albanoi, which is a derivative of the word WHITE, has been documented since the Roman times. Our national costumes even today are predominantly white. We were Christian 8 centuries before the Serbs, who only came in the Balkans from the East.... But who cares? Even if we WERE from Azarbaijan, what difference would that make, anyway?
Racism belong to history (i hope anyway)
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#119
Feb 5, 2007
 
Ylira wrote:
Superbian, what are you talking about..? The albanian fananatics as you call them did not start to blow up churches just like that. These people who organised themselves with armes to protect the albanians and our country did this because, the know hell-burning milosevic, took all rights from the albanians when he reigned and nobody saw this, or more accurate chose not to see these as a problem.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again."
You wan a say that we came to burn kosovo "just like that" one day to another?
Enought of racism please.
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#120
Feb 5, 2007
 
Somegirl, I am Albanian and a Christian, Roman Catholic, to be precise. All this Muslim talk is total crap! Our struggle was never about religion and most Albanians are largely non practicing anyway! Catholic Albanians are far more religious than the Muslim ones... It is sooooo boring to hear that the Serbs are suffering because they're Christian - until 1990s most of them weren't even baptized and laughed at us Catholics for going to church every Sunday!
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#121
Feb 5, 2007
 
Vukasin wrote:
Europe is composed of Christian countries while Kosovo Albanians are 95% Moslem and they want a seperate country now. Once they were all Christians in the 14th century but converted to Moslem religion when Ottoman Turks came "for a good Turkish dinner". No other nation in the Balkans did it. Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia they were all strong in their faith and preserved the Christian religion of their ancestors. Only Albanians were weak and became Moslem to please and serve their new masters Ottoman Turks.
Not only Albanians became Muslims, you should be cleverer than this. The difference is that the Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians etc, either expelled or killed their fellow brethren who had converted after the fall of the Ottoman empire. Belgrade had more mosques than churches in early 19th century...

We Albanians, decided to stick to our common traditions, language and heritage regardless of religion. We all call ourselves Shqiptare in our own language whilst Serbs, Croats and Bosnians base their nationality on religion!!
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#123
Feb 6, 2007
 
Trans Euro Express wrote:
Serbs are christians, right? Albanians are muslims? What are kosovo or whatever they're called. I recalled a third race of people there. And do you hate each other or do just serbs and albanians hate each other.
Ok its little like this:
Kosovo is not yet a country its a province of serbia a autonom region (Its Tito that gave them the autonomy and let them enter massivly in kosovo in other case they will be just a region of serbia whit no chance to get independance). Population of kosovo are mostly albanian cause of many wars that we had in this territory(kosovo) whith turks, germans, italians, albanians... because once that was serbs that were etchnicaly cleanced and after we took revenge like in 1918 and done the same thing to albanians.
So the population of kosovo changed many times but in never was part of albania ni eighter independant.
Me personaly i dont know why all those albanians are coming to kosovo.
Albania = 6 times kosovo
Albania = 4 000 000
Kosovo = 2 500 000(90% albanians)
Strange?
It was always part of serbia only while we were occuped by nazi forced or other and NATO today it became albanian.
Alabnian on their side claim that kosovo was a part of the Ilirian empire (that they say that is Albania of today whitc we canot know) and that we slavs came down there in 6th century and took kosovo as well as other balkan territories. Enforcently there were never been a war betwine ilirians and slavs for taking those lands and ilirians had no border and no army, that was i nativ nation living in peace and love harmony... and when slavs came down and "settled" their land and they needed to form a country that is Albania of today(I dont know if its true).
Me am a serb and i dont hate albanians but personaly i think that they need to go out from 6th century and come back to 21th and stop whit the shits that can cause the hate, wars and civilians causilties today.
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#124
Feb 6, 2007
 
Sanja wrote:
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Thiose are rear! Most are muslim and catholics. So what, dirty albanian is dirty albanian, no matter which religion!
Get your facts right Sanjuska, 25% of Albanians are Orthodox - that's not "a few". Albanian president is Orthodox. But that doesn't make them less Albanian. Every Sunday in every church in Albania they pray: "for our Albanian nation, its president and its army" so it belongs to all of us. I am Catholic but would not hesitate to take communion in a church that also feels mine!

www.orthodoxalbania.org is the officcial website or OUR church
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#125
Feb 6, 2007
 
Bex wrote:
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Get your facts right Sanjuska, 25% of Albanians are Orthodox - that's not "a few". Albanian president is Orthodox. But that doesn't make them less Albanian. Every Sunday in every church in Albania they pray: "for our Albanian nation, its president and its army" so it belongs to all of us. I am Catholic but would not hesitate to take communion in a church that also feels mine!
www.orthodoxalbania.org is the officcial website or OUR church
Kosovo Albanians are 95% Moslem. Albania is a different story.
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#126
Feb 6, 2007
 
Vukasin wrote:
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Kosovo Albanians are 95% Moslem. Albania is a different story.
I wouldn't say 95% Vukasine. I am from there mate and I have gone to curch all my life. Albanians in kosovo are largely and almost exclusively non-practicing and secular. I personally don't know any one who goes to the mosque, which i am not saying is a bad thing; it's just a fact. Serbs were totally nonpracticing before the Milosevic era too.. the only truly religious ppl in KS were we the Catholics.
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#127
Feb 6, 2007
 
Bex wrote:
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Serbs were totally nonpracticing before the Milosevic era too.. the only truly religious ppl in KS were we the Catholics.
Not true. We were always practicing but when we need. The tradition.
I dont know for kosovo
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#128
Feb 6, 2007
 
That's practically false! There are more new mosques in Kosovo being built then ever before, and it's being funded by the Saudi regime. If they were not religious or most of them were ALL secular I don't think they would have built new mosques for nothing. As for Serbs being non-practising Christians that's completely false, the Serbs there had new churches and more in the plan of being built. Decani monastary recieves a lot of followers during the year for feast days and on a Sunday basis. More importantly, a lot of Serbs are being terrorized if they go to church simply out of an intimidation factor so that Albainains can claim that Serbs abandonded their religion. Despite such tactics the Serbs still go. Get your information correct before you start posting nonscense in this forum.
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#129
Feb 6, 2007
 
So, why are Muslim Albanians burning down and desecrating Christian Orthdox Churches in Kosovo, if they are the ones opressed?

I cannot seem to find an example of an opressed group anywhere else in the world who commits similar actions. If anyone does know, feel free to inform me.

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History says, that Kosovo is Serbian territory, within Serbian borders, so what Albanians are asking is very much illegal.

By UN Charter and international law, granting Kosovo an independence without Serbia's consent is illegal, and also by UN charter, noone has the right, to forecefully take away part of one's country.

China will never allow Kosovo to become independent, because of her status in Tibet and Taiwan.
Russia seems to oppose independence as well.

But to answer original question, I guess if independence is granted, it is very clear that instabilities will occur. Im not sure about outright war...but its impossible to say.
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#133
Feb 6, 2007
 
Byzanstupid! You make my case for me the way you Albainians behave! Nice comments about Jasenovac, and you "garantee" that Serbs will be given minority rights, after your past comments I'm sure they will. You'll give them the Jasenovac treatment won't you? Oh, Dardania has nothing to do with present day Kosovo-Methohije, just like your delusional thinking that you Albainains are an extension of the Illyrian empire!
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#135
Feb 6, 2007
 
Again I have to correct you. First it's Kosovo not Kovoa--get it right. Your an unwanted guest in our house so learn some manners. Second, just because those Serbs in the other forums talk about "death" to Albainians is not right on that account. However, using Jasanovac as some justification to eleminate all Serbs as you want is plain sick! There is a difference between genocide of what Jasenovac represented and retaliation (thou not unjustified) for crimes committed against the Serbs. No we don't want to hate and disagree with anything, we just want our land back! The Albainians can live and work in Kosovo, but taking it with them outside of Serbia is illegal and wrong, and it never belonged to them in the first place.

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