Thaci Rules Out Partition of Kosovo

Oct 1, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: BalkanInsight.com

Kosovo's Prime Minister Hashim Thaci said that Kosovo and Serbia must normalise relations soon to begin integrating with Europe, but he insisted that partition of Kosovo "will never happen." Thaci met with EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton, European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso and US officials in a fringe meeting at the UN General ... (more)

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15th century
The ethnic composition of Kosovo's population during this period included Serbs, Albanians, and Vlachs along with a token number of Greeks, Armenians, Saxons, and Bulgarians, according to Serbian monastic charters or chrysobulls (Hrisovulja). A majority of the given names in the charters are overwhelmingly Serbian (Of 24,795 names, 23,774 were ethnic Serb names, 470 of Roman origin, 65 of Albanian origin and 61 of Greek origin).
The essentially Serbian composition of medieval Kosovo's population is corroborated by Ottoman defters, showing that Serbs were majority until the 17th century.
1455: Turkish cadastral tax census (defter) of the Brankovic District (covering most of present-day Kosovo) recorded:
480 villages,
13,693 adult males,
12,985 dwellings,
14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males).
Totally there were around 75,000 inhabitants in 590 villages comprising modern-day Kosovo.
Turkish defter did not give any data on ethnicity. However, Yugoslav and Serbian sholars have researched ethnic structure of Kosovo population. According to them there were:
13,000 Serb dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns
75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages
46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages
17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages
5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vucitrn
1 Jewish dwelling in Vucitrn
1 Croat dwelling
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1487 defter recorded:
Vucitrn district:
16,729 Christian households (412 in Pristina and Vuctrn)
117 Muslim households (94 in Pristina and 83 in rural areas)
Ipek (Pec) district:
City of Ipek
121 Christian households
33 Muslim households
Suho Grlo and Metohija:
131 Christian households of which 52% in Suho Grlo were Serbs
Donja Klina - 50% Serbs
Decani - 64% Serbs
Rural areas:
6,124 Christian households (99%)
55 Moslem households (1%)
16th century1520-1535 Vucitrn: 19,614 households
Christians
700 Muslim households (3,5%)
Prizren
Christians
359 Muslim households (2%)
1582Ottoman defter of the Shkodra Sandjak (Defter-i Mufassal Liva-i Iskenderiye.
Pec nahiya:
235 villages of which some 30 have Albanian families besides the majorital Orthodox Serbs.
City of Pec; - 18 mahalas; 3 free, 13 Muslim (newly Islamicised), 5 Serbian (2 houses were Albanian)
Village Osek - Muslim (Islamicised) majority, with some settled Christian Albanians
Village Selojani - Muslim majority, small Christian Albanian and Serb population
Village Mramor - 22 houses. Albanian majority
Village Belovci - 50 Serbian houses.
Village Granica - 65 Serbian houses.
Village Belo Polje - 2 Serbian mahalas. 3 priests.
Village Bukovica - Serbian. 2 converts to Islam.
Village Lipovac - Islamicised Albanian.
Village Trakakin - Albanian. Islamicised majority.
Village Baba - Serbian. 1 convert to Islam.
Village Videš- Serbian.
Village Veliki Đurđevik - 64 Serbian houses. 2 families from Prizren and Vučitrn.
17 Serb villages: 1 Albanian house.
Village Suho Grlo - 3 Serbian mahalas. 1 Islamicised Serb.
3 Serb villages
17 Serb villages: 3 Muslim houses. 8 priests.
Village Zlokućani - Serbian. 5 Muslim houses.
Village Kavlica - Serbian. 8 Muslim houses.
Village Strelice - 70 Serbian houses. few Islamicised.
8 Serb villages
Village Rusance - Albanian majority. 3 Muslims.
Village Muževine - Serbian. 1 priest.
Village Srednja Crnja - 8 Albanian Muslim houses.
34 Serb villages: total 2 Albanian houses in 2 villages.
Village Njivokos - Serbian majority. Notable Islamicisation.
Village Vrela Manastir - Serbian.
13 Serb villages: 1 Islamicised house.
Village Gusnica - 20 Albanian Islamicised houses.
15 Serb villages: Islamicisation occurred in 3 villages.
Village Vinodol - Serbian. 8 soldier houses from Bosnian Sandzak.
Village (?)- Serbs, Albanians and Muslims.
20 Serb villages: occurrence of Islamicisation.
2 Albanian villages: Islamicised.
39 Serb villages: 9 monasteries (one is Dečani). 1 Albanian male.
Village Brestovac - 10 Albanian houses.
Village Belica - 35 Muslim houses.
56 villages: 42 Serb villages of which 14 with a Muslim minority.
Village Novosel - Muslim and Albanian.
Village Labranima - Serbian majority. 2 Muslim houses.
Village Dubak - 10 Albanian houses and 9 Muslim houses.
Village Dobroševo - 28 houses. Albanian majority. 3 Muslim houses.
Village Šankovac - Serbian majority. 3 Muslim houses.
Village Dobric;-Dol - Muslim.
Village Gornji Petric - Serbian majority.~50 Serbian houses, 3 Muslim houses.
Village Vranic - Muslim and Albanian.
Village Crni Potok - 25 Muslim houses.
Village Arženik - Serbian. Few Muslim houses.
Village Prelopci - Serbs, Albanians and Muslims.
Village Rugovo - 86 Serbian houses.
Altun-li nahiya:
41 villages - Serb majority, Albanian minority.
Ottoman defter from 1591:
Prizren - Serbian majority, significant Albanian minority
Gora - Serbian.
Opolje - Albanian Muslim.
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17th - 18th centuries
The Great Turkish War of 1683–1699 between the Ottomans and the Habsburgs led to the flight of a substantial numbers of Serbs and Albanians who had sided with the Austrians, from within and outside Kosovo, to Austrian held Vojvodina and the Military Frontier - Patriarch Arsenije III, one of the refugees, referred to 30,000 or 40,000 souls, but a much later monastic source referred to 37,000 families. Serbian historians have used this second source to talk of a Great Migration of Serbs. Wars in 1717-1738 led to a second exodus of refugees (both Serbian and Albanian) from inside and outside Kosovo, together with reprisals and the enslavement and deportation of a number of Serbs and Albanians by the victorious Ottomans.
19th century
19th century data about the population of Kosovo tend to be rather conflicting, giving sometimes numerical superiority to the Serbs and sometimes to the Albanians. The Ottoman statistics are regarded as unreliable, as the empire counted its citizens by religion rather than nationality, using birth records rather than surveys of individuals.
A study in 1838 by an Austrian physician, dr. Joseph Müller found Metohija to be mostly Slavic (Serbian) in character. Müller gives data for the three counties (Bezirke) of Prizren, Pec and Dakovica which roughly covered Metohija, the portion adjacent to Albania and most affected by Albanian settlers. Out of 195,000 inhabitants in this region, Müller found:
114,000 Muslims (58%):
c. 38,000 are Serbs (19%)
c. 86,000 are Albanians (39%)
Christians:
73,572 Eastern Orthodox Serbs (38%)
5,120 Roman Catholic Albanians (3%)
2,308 other non-Muslims (Janjevci etc.)
Müller's observations on towns:
Peć: 11,050 Serbs, 500 Albanians
Prizren: 16,800 Serbs, 6150 Albanians
Dakovica: majority of Albanians, surrounding villages Serbian
Map published by French ethnographer G. Lejean in 1861 shows that Albanians lived on around 57% of the territory of today's province while a similar map, published by British travellers G. M. Mackenzie and A. P. Irby in 1867 shows slightly less; these maps don't show which population was larger overall. Nevethless, maps cannot be used to measure population as they leave out density.
A study done in 1871 by Austrian colonel Peter Kukulj for the internal use of the Austro-Hungarian army showed that the mutesarifluk of Prizren (corresponding largely to present-day Kosovo) had some 500,000 inhabitants, of which:
318,000 Serbs (64%),
161,000 Albanians (32%),
10,000 Roma (Gypsies) and Circassians
2,000 Turks
Ethnic distribution of Albanians, The Historical Atlas, New York, 1911.Modern Serbian sources estimated that around 400,000 Serbs were cleansed out of the Vilayet of Kosovo between 1876 and 1912, especially during the Greek-Ottoman War in 1897.
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Map published by German historian Kiepert in 1876, J. Hahn and Austrian consul K. Sax, show that Albanians live on most of the territory of today's province, however they don't show which population is larger. According to these, the regions of Kosovska Mitrovica and Kosovo Polje were settled mostly by Serbs, whereas most of the terrirory of western and eastern parts of today's province was settled by Muslim Albanians.
An Austrian statistics published in 1899 estimated:
182,650 Albanians (47.88%)
166,700 Serbs (43.7%)
At the end of the 19th century, Spiridon Gopchevich, an Austrian traveller - comprised a statistics and published them in Vienna. They established that Prizren had 60,000 citizens of whome 11,000 were Christian Serbs and 36,000 Muslem Serbs. The remaining population were Turks, Albanians, Tzintzars and Roma. For Peć he said that it had 2,530 households of which 1,600 were Mohammedan, 700 Christian Serb, 200 Catholic Albanian and 10 Turkish.
Note: Descendants of Muslim Serbs mentioned by travelers today mostly self-declare as Muslims by nationality, Bosniaks or Gorani. Also note that territory of Ottoman Kosovo Vilayet was quite different than modern-day Kosovo.
20th century
Ethnic composition of Kosovo in 1911.British journalist H. Brailsford estimated in 1906 that two-thirds of the population of Kosovo was Albanian and one-third Serbian. The most populous western districts of Đakovica and Peć were said to have between 20,000 and 25,000 Albanian households, as against some 5,000 Serbian ones. A map of Alfred Stead, published in 1909, shows that similar numbers of Serbs and Albanians were living in the territory.
German scholar Gustav Weigand gave the following statistical data about the population of Kosovo, based on the pre-war situation in Kosovo in 1912:
Pristina District: 67% Albanians, 30% Serbs
Prizren District: 63% Albanians, 36% Serbs
Vučitrn District: 90% Albanians, 10% Serbs
Uroševac District: 70% Albanians, 30% Serbs
Gnjilane District: 75% Albanians, 23% Serbs
Mitrovica District: 60% Serbs, 40% Albanians
Metohija with the town of Dakovica is furthermore defined as almost exclusively Albanian by Weigand.[36] Citing Serbian sources, Noel Malcolm also states that in 1912 when Kosovo came under Serbian control, "the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%"
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Map published by German historian Kiepert in 1876, J. Hahn and Austrian consul K. Sax, show that Albanians live on most of the territory of today's province, however they don't show which population is larger. According to these, the regions of Kosovska Mitrovica and Kosovo Polje were settled mostly by Serbs, whereas most of the terrirory of western and eastern parts of today's province was settled by Muslim Albanians.
An Austrian statistics published in 1899 estimated:
182,650 Albanians (47.88%)
166,700 Serbs (43.7%)
At the end of the 19th century, Spiridon Gopchevich, an Austrian traveller - comprised a statistics and published them in Vienna. They established that Prizren had 60,000 citizens of whome 11,000 were Christian Serbs and 36,000 Muslem Serbs. The remaining population were Turks, Albanians, Tzintzars and Roma. For Peć he said that it had 2,530 households of which 1,600 were Mohammedan, 700 Christian Serb, 200 Catholic Albanian and 10 Turkish.
Note: Descendants of Muslim Serbs mentioned by travelers today mostly self-declare as Muslims by nationality, Bosniaks or Gorani. Also note that territory of Ottoman Kosovo Vilayet was quite different than modern-day Kosovo.
20th century
Ethnic composition of Kosovo in 1911.British journalist H. Brailsford estimated in 1906 that two-thirds of the population of Kosovo was Albanian and one-third Serbian. The most populous western districts of Đakovica and Peć were said to have between 20,000 and 25,000 Albanian households, as against some 5,000 Serbian ones. A map of Alfred Stead, published in 1909, shows that similar numbers of Serbs and Albanians were living in the territory.
German scholar Gustav Weigand gave the following statistical data about the population of Kosovo, based on the pre-war situation in Kosovo in 1912:
Pristina District: 67% Albanians, 30% Serbs
Prizren District: 63% Albanians, 36% Serbs
Vučitrn District: 90% Albanians, 10% Serbs
Uroševac District: 70% Albanians, 30% Serbs
Gnjilane District: 75% Albanians, 23% Serbs
Mitrovica District: 60% Serbs, 40% Albanians
Metohija with the town of Dakovica is furthermore defined as almost exclusively Albanian by Weigand.[36] Citing Serbian sources, Noel Malcolm also states that in 1912 when Kosovo came under Serbian control, "the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%"
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Kosovo is Albanian since 1389. Fact!
Kosovo is Serbian land

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"Thaci Rules Out Partition of Kosovo"

Thaci what!!!!

Who cares what that puppet war criminal has to say.

Kosovo is Serbian land!

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Serbonazis wrote:
<quoted text>Kosovo is Albanian since 1389. Fact!
I think such sentences are just empty statements.
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Kosovo is Serbian land wrote:
"Thaci Rules Out Partition of Kosovo"
Thaci what!!!!
Who cares what that puppet war criminal has to say.
Kosovo is Serbian land!
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Just an empty statement.
Kosovo is Serbian land

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Just an empty statement.
If you think that the war criminal Hashim Tachi has a say about anything youre just an empty statement yourself.

That katunar is nobody, he is nothing. He needs a permission from his masters to go to the toilet.

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If you think that the war criminal Hashim Tachi has a say about anything youre just an empty statement yourself.
That katunar is nobody, he is nothing. He needs a permission from his masters to go to the toilet.
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And Serbs need permission from him to set your foot in Kosovo. lol!
Kosovo is Serbian land

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And Serbs need permission from him to set your foot in Kosovo. lol!
Hashim Tachi is a Katunar from Drenica in Armani suit.
He doesnt have a say about anything. His masters change his napkins every day LoL. North Kosovo is off bounds for him. He will ultimately end in jail, mark my words.

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Kosovo is Serbian land wrote:
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Hashim Tachi is a Katunar from Drenica in Armani suit.
He doesnt have a say about anything. His masters change his napkins every day LoL. North Kosovo is off bounds for him. He will ultimately end in jail, mark my words.
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Mark my words that Kosovo is not a servian land and never will be.
Kosovo is Serbian land

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Albonazis wrote:
<quoted text>Mark my words that Kosovo is not a servian land and never will be.
Kosovo is both a Serbian word and Serbian land.

Your word does not count LoL.

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albanian from Macedonia wrote:
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Macedonia is a bit different cuz there are lot of places will albanians and macedonians, smth like Bosnia before war, it was bosnian village , after that serbian village, and after that happened the ethnic cleansing of bosniacs, before 1960 Skopje had majority Albanians, I'm saying majority after earthquake, happened ethnic cleansing of Albanians, forcing them toward Turkey just like in Kraljevina when serbians forced albanians ( from kosovo toward turkey),we dont want Tetovo, we eill want at least 7-8 cities succesed to Albania, but that's not our direction, we want to build a country for everyone, including macedonians, albanians, and so on, as for Kosovo, forget about it , you will never cut the Northern part.
Macedonia is not different from Kosovo it is a state not a territory. Now it does not matter what happened in the past because the past has no relevance in the future otherwise we could all hang on to the war crimes Albanians committed when they were allied with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. The Northern part is already cut de-facto (not supporting either side of the argument).
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Karavashk wrote:
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Macedonia is not different from Kosovo it is a state not a territory. Now it does not matter what happened in the past because the past has no relevance in the future otherwise we could all hang on to the war crimes Albanians committed when they were allied with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. The Northern part is already cut de-facto (not supporting either side of the argument).
The Serbians commiktted crimes during WWII also.

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Serbonazis wrote:
<quoted text>Kosovo is Albanian since 1389. Fact!
all invaders come and go...so did arabs in spain, turks all over balkans and serbs in kosovo...therefore your statement is incorrect...kosova has been albanian since time began.....serbs overstayed their presence in stolen lands.

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Kosovo is Serbian land wrote:
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Hashim Tachi is a Katunar from Drenica in Armani suit.
He doesnt have a say about anything. His masters change his napkins every day LoL. North Kosovo is off bounds for him. He will ultimately end in jail, mark my words.
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He`s much smarter than your politicians.
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blimey wrote:
<quoted text>all invaders come and go...so did arabs in spain, turks all over balkans and serbs in kosovo...therefore your statement is incorrect...kosova has been albanian since time began.....serbs overstayed their presence in stolen lands.
this 'logic' does not apply to all situation and all times.
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<quoted text>this 'logic' does not apply to all situation and all times.
Thaci's right, though.
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Kosova is historicly Albanian as Albanians have a.lways been the majority and if you go.back far enough, Albanians were the only ethnicity in the Balkans. Yes that includes the stolen Albanian land you now call serbia. It's time you.war mongrels went back to your Asian country of Siberia and Mongolia. We don't need to negotiate with terrorist Serbs
You bloody Moron,so when the Pakistanis become the majority in west Yorkshire maybe they are even now,can they break away to form a State?also the Cornish people are a majority in cornwall should they form the Independent state of cornwall? that is how stupid your argument is.by the way you sound like one of those albanian criminals we have in London what the F... are you doing there?

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