All that Slavic toponyms....in Albania !

All that Slavic toponyms....in Albania !

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The_Baron

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Heraclitus

#1 Jul 18, 2010
All that Slavic toponyms....in Albania !
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With the penetration of the Slav tribes, however, in the main starting from the fifth century AD, Slav toponyms spread more and more, reaching also to the south of the Balkans.

By the ninth century, a great part of present day Albania was already covered with Slav, mostly Serbian, toponyms. We will show the extent and duration of this phenomenon according to the results of our investigations which demanded much patience but which enabled us to gather an imposing number of several hundred Slav toponyms in Albania from maps (scale 1:100,000 & 1:200,000) of the 1920s and 1930s.

We rejected all those toponyms which underwent linguistic change, that is, Albanization, whereby the Slav form was altered in its outward expression.

In order to avoid any confusion we have retained only those names whose form still shows today their origin and there are over three hundred of these "pure" toponyms which we shall now list.

The_Baron

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Heraclitus

#2 Jul 18, 2010
Baba Babin Babinja Babja Balaban Banja Bastare Bastrice Bezani + Belgrad Belice Belje Belove Belovode Berzeste Bistric Biserka Bistrica Bistrice Blace Bobostice Bodin Bodriste Bordani Borici Borje Borova + Borovjani Bradosnica Bratomira Breska Bresnik Brezdan Brostani Budisa Bukmira Buzgara Valjana Valjusa Varvara Veles Veljcan Gora Vernica + Vila Vodica Vojnika Vrakule Vranista Vranista Vrepska Vulcani Gabrica Gajtani Glava Gline Golem Golemi + Golik Goloberdo Goljovisti Gorica Goroselj Gostiviste + Grabom Grabova Grabove Grabovice Grabovo + Gradac Gradec Gradiste Gradiskije Grazdani Grazdenik Graliste Gracen Gracani Grace Grozdani Gruda Darda Debrova Desmira Dobra Dobric Dobruna + Dragan Dragavoja Draginje Dragobija Dragostun Dragove Dragus Draci Dracove Drasovice Drenove Drovjani Drugana Dusmani + Dvoran Oeriste Zepa Zupiste Zagora Zagorican Zagradec Zagradi Zagradcani Zapat Zaradiste Zavaljan Zvezda Izviri Izgara Izgoralec Jablanit Janjan Jezerces Jerka Jubica Kamare Kamenica + Kamicani Kamnik + Kapica Karista Kasarna Kilaziste Klena Klenja Klisari Kovaci Kovaciste + Kovacica Korite Kosan Kosina Kosmaci Kosovec Kosovo Kosteni Kostenja Kostican Kotor Kosarista + Kosovica Krajni Krasta Krstac Kula Lepusa Leskova Leskoviku Leskovinu Lesnica Lestice Livadasi Livadi Likova Lisan Lovina Lozani Logavista Lopusa Lubinja Ljesani Ljivadi Ljubonje + Mali Mucalj Maliseva Malibarde Malina Manastirec Memlista Mecka Milica Miljusi Mirovna Mocani Moglice Mogra Monastir Negovani Nepravista + Niksi + Nikolara Nikolica Nikoijica Nivice Novasela Novoselo Oblika Osojna Padina Pastani Pepeli Pestani Plana + Plovista Podgora Podgorani Podgori Podgoria Podgradec Pogradec Pojata + Polidani Poposina Porobani Potkozani Prekal Prekali Prenista Prodani Radan Radicina Radimiste Radimniste Rajce + Rahovice Rastan Rec Redi Recit Rodokalj Rovica Sama Sanista Sebista Selca Selec Seleka Selence Selenica + Sepetova Slabinje Slatina + Slova Sopot Sovjani St. Javore Stani Staravec Stare Starov Starova + Stebilova Stranik Strelca Suha Suhodoli Sv. Dimitrije Ternova Topljana Torovica Trasani Trebinje Treske Tresova Trosan Tuceni Ulova Uljmiste Ustinje Cerkovica Cernjeva Catiste Cesme Coban + Siroka Sistevac Skola Stit Sticeni Sumica
(the + sign alongside the name of a place indicates that the same name appears on the maps two or more times for different places).

The_Baron

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Heraclitus

#3 Jul 18, 2010
However, this is not a complete list of Slav, that is, Serbian toponyms.

I have already said that only those forms which today point to a Serbian origin are given so that I draw the reader's attention to a precise map marked with Serbian toponyms on Albanian soil composed by the Bulgarian academic, A. Selisgev, for his book Slavyanskoe naselenie v Albanii, Sofia, 1931

The_Baron

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Heraclitus

#4 Jul 18, 2010
With regard to Kosovo and Metohia, on the other hand, the situation is different to an unbelievable degree.

Namely, in that area there is NOT ONE single toponym whose origin could be found in the Albanian language.

All of the toponyms in that area which in historical literature was designated as Old Serbia are either Serbian or Slavicised Roman names and the SAlbanians who live there today call some villages either by names translated into Albanian or use some Turkish names arising from the time when these regions were under Turkish rule.

The_Baron

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#5 Jul 18, 2010
At first people in Albania thought it was a joke, but politicians in that country have proposed the creation of a government commission to "Albanize" all place names of Slavic origin...and there are many of those.

Over the last few months, that rhetoric has led to the increasingly common suggestion that Albanian toponymy should be "de-Slavized."

Prime Minister Berisha also mentioned Slavic toponymy. Berisha, discussing the issue in one of his new government's first meetings, did not hesitate to take the idea further. "We have to create a commission to replace all the Slavic toponymy in the country"

The widespread Slavic toponyms, found all over Albania's territory, have always been a concern for Albanian nationalist intellectuals. These Slavic place names undermine a thesis crucial to the legitamacy of the Albanian nation-state and the basis of the country's nationalism: the story of "Illyrian-Albanian indigenousness".

The_Baron

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#6 Jul 18, 2010
Albanian territory is so crammed with Slavic place names !
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But the issue is very complex. Albanian territory is so crammed with Slavic place names that non-Slavic place names, such as those of Albano-phone, Greek, Turkish , and Italian origin, seem like a tiny minority.

The practice of renaming places is not new in Albania.
Enver Hoxha's national-communism made many attempts at de-Slavization, particularly in the southeast regions of the country.

Even the family names of the Slav-speaking minority were Albanized, their typical endings replaced by more Albanian-sounding, "Illyrian" endings.

Some Slavic family names were fully replaced by Albanian names. The mechanism at present does not seem very different from that of the Hoxha regime.

The_Baron

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#7 Jul 18, 2010
BERISHA SHOULD START WITH HIS OWN PLACE OF BIRTH
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Albanians were indifferent to the proposal and did not debate it.

The only retort came from some journalists who ironically suggested that the Prime Minister Berisha should start the place name de-Slavization process in his own village of birth, Vucjidol !

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The_Baron

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#8 Jul 18, 2010

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#9 Jul 18, 2010
Albanian toponyms in Serbia :

rbanasce, Arbanaška,
Berišići, Bukurevac, Bukurovac,
Burmazi (3 x), Bušat, Delaci, Deljanice, Delinovica,Ðinđuša,Ði novića Sokak, Dobromir (seems to be a mix of Serbian and Albanian), Dodinska Mala,Ðokići,Ðokovi ći,Ðonkovci, Duška Mala, Duškovci, Dušk, Fuša, Fuša Ljuran, Kastrat, Katun (2 x), Kokica Kraj, Lalinovac, Lalinci, Lalinac, Lalince, Lalić, Lita (?), Ljuljaci, Ljulac, Maljevce, Maljevac, Miras, Niksić, Nikače, Pantelici, Pljakovo, Toskići,Špat, Ujniče, Ukmemet, Vulovići

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#10 Jul 18, 2010
The_Baron wrote:
Baba Babin Babinja Babja Balaban Banja Bastare Bastrice Bezani + Belgrad Belice Belje Belove Belovode Berzeste Bistric Biserka Bistrica Bistrice Blace Bobostice Bodin Bodriste Bordani Borici Borje Borova + Borovjani Bradosnica Bratomira Breska Bresnik Brezdan Brostani Budisa Bukmira Buzgara Valjana Valjusa Varvara Veles Veljcan Gora Vernica + Vila Vodica Vojnika Vrakule Vranista Vranista Vrepska Vulcani Gabrica Gajtani Glava Gline Golem Golemi + Golik Goloberdo Goljovisti Gorica Goroselj Gostiviste + Grabom Grabova Grabove Grabovice Grabovo + Gradac Gradec Gradiste Gradiskije Grazdani Grazdenik Graliste Gracen Gracani Grace Grozdani Gruda Darda Debrova Desmira Dobra Dobric Dobruna + Dragan Dragavoja Draginje Dragobija Dragostun Dragove Dragus Draci Dracove Drasovice Drenove Drovjani Drugana Dusmani + Dvoran Oeriste Zepa Zupiste Zagora Zagorican Zagradec Zagradi Zagradcani Zapat Zaradiste Zavaljan Zvezda Izviri Izgara Izgoralec Jablanit Janjan Jezerces Jerka Jubica Kamare Kamenica + Kamicani Kamnik + Kapica Karista Kasarna Kilaziste Klena Klenja Klisari Kovaci Kovaciste + Kovacica Korite Kosan Kosina Kosmaci Kosovec Kosovo Kosteni Kostenja Kostican Kotor Kosarista + Kosovica Krajni Krasta Krstac Kula Lepusa Leskova Leskoviku Leskovinu Lesnica Lestice Livadasi Livadi Likova Lisan Lovina Lozani Logavista Lopusa Lubinja Ljesani Ljivadi Ljubonje + Mali Mucalj Maliseva Malibarde Malina Manastirec Memlista Mecka Milica Miljusi Mirovna Mocani Moglice Mogra Monastir Negovani Nepravista + Niksi + Nikolara Nikolica Nikoijica Nivice Novasela Novoselo Oblika Osojna Padina Pastani Pepeli Pestani Plana + Plovista Podgora Podgorani Podgori Podgoria Podgradec Pogradec Pojata + Polidani Poposina Porobani Potkozani Prekal Prekali Prenista Prodani Radan Radicina Radimiste Radimniste Rajce + Rahovice Rastan Rec Redi Recit Rodokalj Rovica Sama Sanista Sebista Selca Selec Seleka Selence Selenica + Sepetova Slabinje Slatina + Slova Sopot Sovjani St. Javore Stani Staravec Stare Starov Starova + Stebilova Stranik Strelca Suha Suhodoli Sv. Dimitrije Ternova Topljana Torovica Trasani Trebinje Treske Tresova Trosan Tuceni Ulova Uljmiste Ustinje Cerkovica Cernjeva Catiste Cesme Coban + Siroka Sistevac Skola Stit Sticeni Sumica
(the + sign alongside the name of a place indicates that the same name appears on the maps two or more times for different places).
Bresja,gajtani,Skola,Polidani, Milica,Grabova,baba)means father in albanian),balaban (name in albanian history_,Bastare,Banja,Bresnik (is a name),Bukmira,(mira=good,buk=b read),Dusmani,Draci...etc are albanian toponyms with meaning.
Plus some that you typed dont exist in albania as toponyms.

The_Baron

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Heraclitus

#11 Jul 18, 2010
And than, why is Berisha so frustrated to change them ?

lol

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#12 Jul 18, 2010
The_Baron wrote:
And than, why is Berisha so frustrated to change them ?
lol
change what?
none is changing anything.
you just have poor brain, foreign toponyms are everywhere in the world

The_Baron

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#13 Jul 18, 2010
Read the foreign site and then talk,

Albanian prime minister Berisha have try but he end up with journalists laughing at him,

cause he must start with his own place of birth VUCJIDOL,

lol

http://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Regions-and...
agron

Tiranë, Albania

#14 Jul 18, 2010
Most of those names "slavic" have Albanian roots. Like baba or BA. "BA" in Albanian language means FATHER but the root mane of BAB is BAN or BA "gives" or "make" thats why we call it BA, cuz the man makes love and he "GIVES" his sperme to a woman "MA" MA in Albainan language means "take" or "preserve" cuz the mother preservs the fetus, and we are the only language in Europe that can divide and translat logically ourself however you dont even know a shit about linguistics ;). Some other slavic toponims like "berati" had illyrian manes before. Berati was called antigonea before slavic invasion, just like kosovo was called dardania ;). Servs are loser they wont to lie but we dont have idiots here like you have in Servia, we know things cuz we have done at least a university :) Viva Ethnic Albania and proud to be a Shqip(S)tar!

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#15 Jul 18, 2010
agron wrote:
Most of those names "slavic" have Albanian roots. Like baba or BA. "BA" in Albanian language means FATHER but the root mane of BAB is BAN or BA "gives" or "make" thats why we call it BA, cuz the man makes love and he "GIVES" his sperme to a woman "MA" MA in Albainan language means "take" or "preserve" cuz the mother preservs the fetus, and we are the only language in Europe that can divide and translat logically ourself however you dont even know a shit about linguistics ;). Some other slavic toponims like "berati" had illyrian manes before. Berati was called antigonea before slavic invasion, just like kosovo was called dardania ;). Servs are loser they wont to lie but we dont have idiots here like you have in Servia, we know things cuz we have done at least a university :) Viva Ethnic Albania and proud to be a Shqip(S)tar!
jedan dan IQ=125
drugi dan IQ=47?

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#16 Jul 18, 2010
SERVANTES wrote:
<quoted text>
jedan dan IQ=125
drugi dan IQ=47?
none asked you something.
you dont know what is IQ,go drink

The_Baron

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Heraclitus

#17 Jul 18, 2010
agron wrote:
Most of those names "slavic" have Albanian roots. Like baba or BA. "BA" in Albanian language means FATHER but the root mane of BAB is BAN or BA "gives" or "make" thats why we call it BA, cuz the man makes love and he "GIVES" his sperme to a woman "MA" MA in Albainan language means "take" or "preserve" cuz the mother preservs the fetus, and we are the only language in Europe that can divide and translat logically ourself however you dont even know a shit about linguistics ;).
Hahahaha,
look at his hilarious post ! loll :)
i can't believe that there is such an imagination !

Baba (father)means BA Albanian "gives", means he gives his sperm to a woman, who preserves the fetus ????? hahahahahhah
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Mein goth,

Clueless funny guy,

Baba is a word for father worldwide, it is not an Albanian word,
it is in use in Greece, Turkey, Africa....and even in Serbia or Bosnia, "Babo" is father among Bosnia and in Vojvodina,

and Baba also means a grandmother in Serbian language.

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#18 Jul 18, 2010
The_Baron wrote:
Read the foreign site and then talk,
Albanian prime minister Berisha have try but he end up with journalists laughing at him,
cause he must start with his own place of birth VUCJIDOL,
lol
http://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Regions-and...
you are really stupid kid, what does it matter? everywhere in the earth you can find places named by foreign words or in every language you can find foreign words.
i sent you the albanian toponyms in serbia.
you can find many words that you daily use and are turkish words "turcizmi" or from other languages.
so what? its everywhere,in every country and language. you just dont have what to do and trying to find some stupidity.this shows the low level of knowledge you have,very naive really.

The_Baron

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Heraclitus

#19 Jul 18, 2010
SERVANTES wrote:
<quoted text>
jedan dan IQ=125
drugi dan IQ=47?
Upravo tako

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#20 Jul 18, 2010
tigrow wrote:
<quoted text>
none asked you something.
you dont know what is IQ,go drink
ajmo voz --->
mi ovde nemamo vremena za budale...i pali--->

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