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I am falling back on history Teddy, and my argument remains solid. The concept of nationality is certainly defined as you say, but it is not the 'European' tag, just the opposite. Poke around a little and regional prejudices and interests always rear up.
If that was not the case, might as well throw out the notion of Croats, Albanians, Hungarians and Serbians and refer to ourselves as 'Europeans'. You have to be realistic and drop the hypocrisy.
For instance, it want take you more than a post or two to fall back into your less than favourable stance as per Serbia, and represent the interests of the Albanians. Look at this place for instance. Putting this lot in the same boat is the height of stupidity. Benn tried, bad idea.
The concept of 'European' is the furthest thing from anybody's mind, but the concept of getting more Euros, well, that's another matter heheh.
Even in the midst of the Europeans not only highly evolved process of nationality, but also a very mature democracy, the dross of prejudice are not yet disposed of all, a common political and economic, the rules laid down by those who have put the basis of Europe, these prejudices that you say, they can also be put into oblivion, however today for a French, English, or an Italian, to be part of this community is a sign of national integrity. For generations to come I can not answer

All countries that you have listed come from a process of nationality very strong, so strong that you can collide with each other, but also a rich tradition of common history, in spite of issues and disputes of land between Ungeria-Serbia ... Albania-Serbia ....Serbia-Croatia

This I did not understand, what does the work carried out by Serbia to be integrated with the interest of the Albanians!?

The process of integration in Europe is long, you have to wait again to see a European knowledge of all the states that compose it. Today there is a gap sociopolitical, among European countries, hoping that they will grow together
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Croatia and Croats were occupied for more than 1000 years by foreign power: Hungary Austro Hungary Austria Germany Italy Bulgaria French empire Republic of Venice Byzantine Empire and Ottoman Empire so Ottoman Turkish influence is bigger than ordinary people thinks

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"There is also a community of Croats who follow Islam, the descendants of those who converted after the 16th century, after the conquest of much of Croatia and Bosnia by the Ottomans."

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Teddy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Even in the midst of the Europeans not only highly evolved process of nationality, but also a very mature democracy, the dross of prejudice are not yet disposed of all, a common political and economic, the rules laid down by those who have put the basis of Europe, these prejudices that you say, they can also be put into oblivion, however today for a French, English, or an Italian, to be part of this community is a sign of national integrity. For generations to come I can not answer
All countries that you have listed come from a process of nationality very strong, so strong that you can collide with each other, but also a rich tradition of common history, in spite of issues and disputes of land between Ungeria-Serbia ... Albania-Serbia ....Serbia-Croatia
This I did not understand, what does the work carried out by Serbia to be integrated with the interest of the Albanians!?
The process of integration in Europe is long, you have to wait again to see a European knowledge of all the states that compose it. Today there is a gap sociopolitical, among European countries, hoping that they will grow together
That sounds more along the lines of ' we should all strive for world peace' type of goodwill talk. It is not based in the socio political and economic reality of the current situation of Europe and the wider world.

You say that prejudices can be put into oblivion and yet you have shared your prejudices with us on more than one occasion. You contradict yourself now in the vein hope of providing some sort of counter argument in the face of the realities I have listed, but come up short.

The German and French experiments at unifying Europe have always come up short and ultimately led to disaster. The serious representatives of each of the major powers include the likes of Putin, Obama and Xi Jinping.

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Prima Nocta 1000 wrote:
"There is also a community of Croats who follow Islam, the descendants of those who converted after the 16th century, after the conquest of much of Croatia and Bosnia by the Ottomans."
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That's interesting. Years ago I came across this club in the western suburbs of Melbourne that had a sign saying 'Croatian Islamic Club'.

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Strahd wrote:
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That sounds more along the lines of ' we should all strive for world peace' type of goodwill talk. It is not based in the socio political and economic reality of the current situation of Europe and the wider world.
You say that prejudices can be put into oblivion and yet you have shared your prejudices with us on more than one occasion. You contradict yourself now in the vein hope of providing some sort of counter argument in the face of the realities I have listed, but come up short.
The German and French experiments at unifying Europe have always come up short and ultimately led to disaster. The serious representatives of each of the major powers include the likes of Putin, Obama and Xi Jinping.
I give you an example that concerns you, Yugoslavia, despite the ethnic hatred that characterized with Austria and Germany, these were the two that you had some economic exchanges most.See, the old grudges you were left aside in the name of economical interchanges . A time the economy of a country is very dependent on foreign policy, now prior travels and has its interests,because there are no more political barriers as once.

it is obvious that I have prejudices! but your are also stronger, seasoned with, I would not say hate, but of complex old and accumulated to the east and Turkey in general. This complexity is poured on the Albanians, Bosnians, mostly on muslims, as prime culprits of your "backwardness", in comparison with the west...

let's leave time to time for your prophecies about EU

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Teddy_ wrote:
<quoted text>I give you an example that concerns you, Yugoslavia, despite the ethnic hatred that characterized with Austria and Germany, these were the two that you had some economic exchanges most.See, the old grudges you were left aside in the name of economical interchanges . A time the economy of a country is very dependent on foreign policy, now prior travels and has its interests,because there are no more political barriers as once.
it is obvious that I have prejudices! but your are also stronger, seasoned with, I would not say hate, but of complex old and accumulated to the east and Turkey in general. This complexity is poured on the Albanians, Bosnians, mostly on muslims, as prime culprits of your "backwardness", in comparison with the west...
let's leave time to time for your prophecies about EU
I gave examples that concern Albanians and Europeans in general, but you chose to ignore it. I don't hate Austria and Germany, and I think you are missing the point. The fact is when it comes to nations there are no real 'enemies and friends', just convenience. You are failing to look at history in the wider sense and falling for the immediate trap of the same old regurgitated experiment, namely the European Union. Not surprising given the fact you Albanians had been such Soviet Union stalwarts at one time.

You say no political barriers. Well, there are custom barriers between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia now, formerly that was not the case. We have also seen the emergence of new fake states like 'Kosova'.

Also, I never even mentioned the Turks in my post, but you are the one talking shit about the 'east and Turkey', and on another current thread your fellow Albanian 'prishtina' is being the same ol bore with that 'Serbs are Turks' crap. So Teddy, who is the complexed one here about the Turks and the west ?. What is with you Albanians and Euro Muslims, and this Turk east and Europe west thing anyway ?

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lol I thought Serbs hated NATO

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Strahd wrote:
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I gave examples that concern Albanians and Europeans in general, but you chose to ignore it. I don't hate Austria and Germany, and I think you are missing the point. The fact is when it comes to nations there are no real 'enemies and friends', just convenience. You are failing to look at history in the wider sense and falling for the immediate trap of the same old regurgitated experiment, namely the European Union. Not surprising given the fact you Albanians had been such Soviet Union stalwarts at one time.
You say no political barriers. Well, there are custom barriers between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia now, formerly that was not the case. We have also seen the emergence of new fake states like 'Kosova'.
Also, I never even mentioned the Turks in my post, but you are the one talking shit about the 'east and Turkey', and on another current thread your fellow Albanian 'prishtina' is being the same ol bore with that 'Serbs are Turks' crap. So Teddy, who is the complexed one here about the Turks and the west ?. What is with you Albanians and Euro Muslims, and this Turk east and Europe west thing anyway ?
Whatever's the fate of Europe, will never be that of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, where them had to run after the war to divide. In Europe you have created the first states with a fair economic approach, although there is now a distinction between a country's east with that of the west. This one can pave in living together.

Albania has been a sworn supporter of Stalinism line of policy,not Soviet Union itself

When I need to talk to the Europe, of course I must not speak of Kosovo and Serbia .... when I was talking I was referring to those political barriers, today it is easier to invest in Serbia as when Milosevic was in power, this is a fact

Kosovo today is a state in the consolidation, you can not expect to have a maturity in such a short time ... The Serbs today have to face reality and not to the constitution of the country where enshrines Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia and the Serbs, is a piece of paper that has no value, as the Albanians have the overwhelming majority.

It is not for me to be the editor on the comments of Pristina, I was referring only to a good portion of your comments in the forum, that is with a dose of anti-Islam, linked to the Albanians and Bosnians.

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Teddy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever's the fate of Europe, will never be that of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, where them had to run after the war to divide. In Europe you have created the first states with a fair economic approach, although there is now a distinction between a country's east with that of the west. This one can pave in living together.
Albania has been a sworn supporter of Stalinism line of policy,not Soviet Union itself
When I need to talk to the Europe, of course I must not speak of Kosovo and Serbia .... when I was talking I was referring to those political barriers, today it is easier to invest in Serbia as when Milosevic was in power, this is a fact
Kosovo today is a state in the consolidation, you can not expect to have a maturity in such a short time ... The Serbs today have to face reality and not to the constitution of the country where enshrines Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia and the Serbs, is a piece of paper that has no value, as the Albanians have the overwhelming majority.
It is not for me to be the editor on the comments of Pristina, I was referring only to a good portion of your comments in the forum, that is with a dose of anti-Islam, linked to the Albanians and Bosnians.
It will exactly be the same fate. Don't you keep up with the economic news ? The EU is on even more shaky than the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia.

Western interests can still invest in Serbia, EU or no EU, and this way Brussels does not get to dictate the terms to the Serbs. It is a reality in any case.

Kosovo is just a sad story about a criminal mafia illegally holding a part of Serbia hostage. Muslims are notorious worldwide for incompatibility with everyone else. The Russians and Chinese had problems with them, but took care of them to a certain extant.

Also, how I can not be somewhat anti Islam given the situation. What don't you understand about occupation ? I bet you are the type that would be telling someone under a Nazi occupied country not to voice objections as they look like they have a 'complex against Germans'. Imagine Albania had been occupied by a neighbour and I was saying the same to you. This is why I think you look silly ?
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Strahd wrote:
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It will exactly be the same fate. Don't you keep up with the economic news ? The EU is on even more shaky than the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia.
Western interests can still invest in Serbia, EU or no EU, and this way Brussels does not get to dictate the terms to the Serbs. It is a reality in any case.
Kosovo is just a sad story about a criminal mafia illegally holding a part of Serbia hostage. Muslims are notorious worldwide for incompatibility with everyone else. The Russians and Chinese had problems with them, but took care of them to a certain extant.
Also, how I can not be somewhat anti Islam given the situation. What don't you understand about occupation ? I bet you are the type that would be telling someone under a Nazi occupied country not to voice objections as they look like they have a 'complex against Germans'. Imagine Albania had been occupied by a neighbour and I was saying the same to you. This is why I think you look silly ?
Well, as for the Muslim attacks in China or Russia (Sin-Tiang and Caucasus)- I think that it is less about religion and more about nationalism (as usually). Far less about religion and far more about nationalism, to be precise...

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Karolcik wrote:
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Well, as for the Muslim attacks in China or Russia (Sin-Tiang and Caucasus)- I think that it is less about religion and more about nationalism (as usually). Far less about religion and far more about nationalism, to be precise...
Absolutely correct!

Aslan Maskhadov was a very moderate Muslim, but the problem was in Chechnya that the freedom fight attracted many Muslim extremists like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Khattab

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Strahd wrote:
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It will exactly be the same fate. Don't you keep up with the economic news ? The EU is on even more shaky than the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia.
Western interests can still invest in Serbia, EU or no EU, and this way Brussels does not get to dictate the terms to the Serbs. It is a reality in any case.
Kosovo is just a sad story about a criminal mafia illegally holding a part of Serbia hostage. Muslims are notorious worldwide for incompatibility with everyone else. The Russians and Chinese had problems with them, but took care of them to a certain extant.
Also, how I can not be somewhat anti Islam given the situation. What don't you understand about occupation ? I bet you are the type that would be telling someone under a Nazi occupied country not to voice objections as they look like they have a 'complex against Germans'. Imagine Albania had been occupied by a neighbour and I was saying the same to you. This is why I think you look silly ?
Not true at all!

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Strahd wrote:
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It will exactly be the same fate. Don't you keep up with the economic news ? The EU is on even more shaky than the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia.
Western interests can still invest in Serbia, EU or no EU, and this way Brussels does not get to dictate the terms to the Serbs. It is a reality in any case.
Kosovo is just a sad story about a criminal mafia illegally holding a part of Serbia hostage. Muslims are notorious worldwide for incompatibility with everyone else. The Russians and Chinese had problems with them, but took care of them to a certain extant.
Also, how I can not be somewhat anti Islam given the situation. What don't you understand about occupation ? I bet you are the type that would be telling someone under a Nazi occupied country not to voice objections as they look like they have a 'complex against Germans'. Imagine Albania had been occupied by a neighbour and I was saying the same to you. This is why I think you look silly ?
you're hoping for a war against those who have shredded your country 15 years ago, it is heartbreaking to read these words! words designed by the hatred towards the West, you are a country marked by fractions, a country that even when you win a war, you're always the losers, everything you earn in the war, you lose it in peace ..
you are pro EU, but insulted NATO have started the procedures to enter Europe, but the mind remains with Russia. Never will be part of a community, a society in mental disorder as that of Serbia, oriented on itself. Now there is the roof tile called "Kosovo" to recognize or not recognize ... that is the question!
If I do, I will have a domino effect with Vojvodina, also will lose it. The two politicians your of rank (Nikolic, Dacic) have grown up with the anachronistics Seselj, Milosevic, the same school the same stoicism .... "Kosovo je srce Srbija " but the blood is Albanian..

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Teddy_ wrote:
<quoted text>you're hoping for a war against those who have shredded your country 15 years ago, it is heartbreaking to read these words! words designed by the hatred towards the West, you are a country marked by fractions, a country that even when you win a war, you're always the losers, everything you earn in the war, you lose it in peace ..
you are pro EU, but insulted NATO have started the procedures to enter Europe, but the mind remains with Russia. Never will be part of a community, a society in mental disorder as that of Serbia, oriented on itself. Now there is the roof tile called "Kosovo" to recognize or not recognize ... that is the question!
If I do, I will have a domino effect with Vojvodina, also will lose it. The two politicians your of rank (Nikolic, Dacic) have grown up with the anachronistics Seselj, Milosevic, the same school the same stoicism .... "Kosovo je srce Srbija " but the blood is Albanian..
Did I say I wanted war ? Your attributing words to me that I never put in my post. I am not interested in war you moron, more concerned with police matters and the arrest of the Albanian mafia criminals like yourself pretending at government in hostage held southwest Serbia.

I have seen stupid emotive based posts from you before Teddy, but this one takes the cake in the fruit loops department. The last two paragraphs I have no idea what the fck you are saying so we will forget about that wierd mish mash since I am not interested in deciphering dribble.

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Strahd wrote:
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Did I say I wanted war ? Your attributing words to me that I never put in my post. I am not interested in war you moron, more concerned with police matters and the arrest of the Albanian mafia criminals like yourself pretending at government in hostage held southwest Serbia.
I have seen stupid emotive based posts from you before Teddy, but this one takes the cake in the fruit loops department. The last two paragraphs I have no idea what the fck you are saying so we will forget about that wierd mish mash since I am not interested in deciphering dribble.
Actually you did not say you want war, in a sense you've advocated(if this is the right word)
See how you talk Strahd, you deny everything, use the word "hostage" "occupation" when rhe Albanians have their administration recognized by 100 countries. Kosovo will no longer be an integral part of Serbia, you have to resign yourself Strahd, hoping that there is not a case of Vojvodina, not to reduce the map of Serbia as a coin....

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Jul 21, 2013
 
Teddy_ wrote:
<quoted text>Actually you did not say you want war, in a sense you've advocated(if this is the right word)
See how you talk Strahd, you deny everything, use the word "hostage" "occupation" when rhe Albanians have their administration recognized by 100 countries. Kosovo will no longer be an integral part of Serbia, you have to resign yourself Strahd, hoping that there is not a case of Vojvodina, not to reduce the map of Serbia as a coin....
You still don't have your two thirds, and you never will. The Albanians are a pirate colony, not altogether different to 1600's pirate safe havens of the west indies.

Now what is this crap about 'advocating war'? The removal of an occupying force of criminals holding a part of your country hostage is not 'advocating war'. Like I said, Kosovo is under a criminal Albanian mafia at the moment, an illegal adventure.

Your not well read are you ? Vojvodina has more than 80 percent Serbs, this has grown over the decades. Ask the Baron about it all ? I think he tried to explain some things to you, but you don't learn very well.

If Serbia joins with it's BIH territories, imagine the strength. You know and fear this. The Serbs outnumber the Albanians and Croats put together. You know and fear this truth.

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You still don't have your two thirds, and you never will. The Albanians are a pirate colony, not altogether different to 1600's pirate safe havens of the west indies.
Now what is this crap about 'advocating war'? The removal of an occupying force of criminals holding a part of your country hostage is not 'advocating war'. Like I said, Kosovo is under a criminal Albanian mafia at the moment, an illegal adventure.
Your not well read are you ? Vojvodina has more than 80 percent Serbs, this has grown over the decades. Ask the Baron about it all ? I think he tried to explain some things to you, but you don't learn very well.
If Serbia joins with it's BIH territories, imagine the strength. You know and fear this. The Serbs outnumber the Albanians and Croats put together. You know and fear this truth.
Come on Strahd, 67% is not 80%.

I know its just a technicality, but no need to "spin numbers" to make a point, you are better than that.

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Come on Strahd, 67% is not 80%.
I know its just a technicality, but no need to "spin numbers" to make a point, you are better than that.
Trust you to jump in as soon as Vojvodina is mentioned. The older figure said something close to seventy, by now it might be closer to 80 percent, but why split hairs here.

If it makes you fell lets say overwhelming majority.

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You still don't have your two thirds, and you never will. The Albanians are a pirate colony, not altogether different to 1600's pirate safe havens of the west indies.
Now what is this crap about 'advocating war'? The removal of an occupying force of criminals holding a part of your country hostage is not 'advocating war'. Like I said, Kosovo is under a criminal Albanian mafia at the moment, an illegal adventure.
Your not well read are you ? Vojvodina has more than 80 percent Serbs, this has grown over the decades. Ask the Baron about it all ? I think he tried to explain some things to you, but you don't learn very well.
If Serbia joins with it's BIH territories, imagine the strength. You know and fear this. The Serbs outnumber the Albanians and Croats put together. You know and fear this truth.
Republic of Serbia,Srpska Republika,Krajina Republic, and finally the last bastion of ridicolous, eve of new of Srpska Mitrovica Repubblic...
What do you do, Strahd? You're pulling out your teeth! every time that the Serbs do it, they end up breaking them...Strahd unfortunatelly Serbia is surrounded by people which has hatred toward the Serbs,regardless your strength,so look out

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