From Klagenfurt to Salonika and from Durres to E Banat = Yugoslavia 1919

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blundunt

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I just felt like pointing out where the borders of post WWI "Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenes"should have been extended to.
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I did forget to mention Trieste-sorry.

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I do care, but this post lacks any sense. Throughout her existence, Yugoslavia should have had far better relations with her neighbours than those which she actually had. There shouldn't have been any territorial claims from her side.
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What about Serbia's access to the sea in 1913? Would an outlet to the Adriatic like the Serbian conquest of Durres and subsequent Albanian territory have bottled up Austria-Hungary ? The Great powers even offered Serbia an outlet to the Aegean Sea at Thessalonika but this was predicated upon Serbia and Greece holding their Macedonian Turkish conquests of the First Balkan War.
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Furthermore even though the Serbian Army wound up in Klagenfurt I am certain that retaining this area was not in the cards for the new state of "Land of the southern Slavs" but the failure to obtain Northern Dalmatia(Trieste) was a defeat not a victory.

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Why should Yugoslavia have had these borders? What historical justification do you have?
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Mar 1, 2013
 
In 1594 the Serbian rebellion in the Banat region (including E Banat)was defeated by the Ottomans who then encouraged Serbian re-occupation of all of their formerlands in the area.,followed by Romanians soon after.(Because after the rebellion was crushed the area was depopulated)As far as a link to Salonika it became a moot point after the creation of Yugoslavia.However now that Yugoslavia has fallen where does Serbia have an outlet to the sea? Montenegro? which is also independant from Serbia.
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Mar 2, 2013
 
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Why should Yugoslavia have had these borders? What historical justification do you have?
The years of Yugoslavia are gone thats true.Now Serbia stands alone with her WW1 conquests (except for Voivodina and NoviPazar)gone.The Republic of Srpska is a crazy looking chunk of land and Montenegro has also broken away.Kosovo is populated by Albanians and even Serbian Macedonia is no more.I suppose that even though in 1594 Eastern Banat was populated by Serbs-just like Kosovo(Serbia's medievel heart)which is now Albanian the E Banat is now Romanian.

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Banat is not Serbian. Serbs and Romanians were fresh Habsburg era settlers.
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Mar 3, 2013
 
Fact: in all of Vojvodina Serbs have been living much longer than Hungarians (since the 6th century for sure), and their Orthodox churches in Vojvodina are from 14th (1) to 17th, 18th (most) and early 19th century (before 1830), while Hungarian Roman-Catholic churches (state religion of Austrian Empire that ruled the territory until the disastrous division of that country in 1867) are from 1840s on.

This applies equally to Backa, Banat and Srem, as indeed to most of East Slavonija and Baranja.

On the other hand, there is also a Serbian Orthodox church from the 14th century in Srpski Kovin (also known in local Asiatic language as Rackeve) in the Greater Budapest area, and several from 17th and 18th centuries in Sentandreja (Szent Endre) also just outside Budapest.
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Banat is not Serbian. Serbs and Romanians were fresh Habsburg era settlers.
RADOVAN KARADZIC

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Mar 3, 2013
 
Od Topole,pa sve do Ravne Gore.....sve su straze,sve su straze Djenerala Draze!!

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Mar 3, 2013
 
You are full of shit "Serbs are Holy".

If you want to claim some slavic Sheep herders living there in the 6th century, I can claim Huns living there in 5th century. The Slavs there were not pure Slavs, but a mixture of Slavo-Avar.

Vojvodina was longer Hungarian than it was Serbian. Hungarians defended, built and civilised the land, while Serbs were just guests fleeing from Turks
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Mar 3, 2013
 
you are a piece of shit, "TheRealMagyar". Everybody knows that Huns have nothing to do with Hungarians. Magyars came at the end of the ninth century, as a horde of savage Asiatic looters.

Serbs lived in Vojvodina continually since the 6th century, though -- granted -- their number increased somewhat when the Austrian Empire which owned the land granted it to Serbs as a Serbian Militaergrentze. True, Vojvodina was a part of the Khanate of Hungary for some time, but the people who lived there had nothing to do with Mongloid Asian Magyars, who were a tiny minority in a huge Slavic/Romanian/some German sea of nations.

That "Hungary" didn't even have a language and used only Latin. So stop your wallowing in SHlT and take the truth: in all of Vojvodina Serbs have been living much longer than Hungarians (since the 6th century for sure), and their Orthodox churches in Vojvodina are from 14th (1) to 17th, 18th (most) and early 19th century (before 1830), while Hungarian Roman-Catholic churches (state religion of the Austrian Empire that ruled the territory until the disastrous division of that country in 1867) are from 1840s on.

This applies equally to Backa, Banat and Srem, as indeed to most of East Slavonija and Baranja.

On the other hand, there is also a Serbian Orthodox church from the 14th century in Srpski Kovin (also known in the local Asiatic language as Rackeve) in the Greater Budapest area, and several from 17th and 18th centuries in Sentandreja (Szent Endre) also just outside Budapest.
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You are full of shit "Serbs are Holy".
If you want to claim some slavic Sheep herders living there in the 6th century, I can claim Huns living there in 5th century. The Slavs there were not pure Slavs, but a mixture of Slavo-Avar.
Vojvodina was longer Hungarian than it was Serbian. Hungarians defended, built and civilised the land, while Serbs were just guests fleeing from Turks

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Mar 3, 2013
 
You are a piece of shit, Majku ti jebem (I hope I said that correctly)

Serbs lived there? Bullshit, some Slavs lived there, Serbs were a lot further down south

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

In the 6th , 7th century, the land was populated by Avars, not Slavic migrants

There is no proof that Serbs lived there before Hungarians.
If you said SLAVS, sure, but Slavs =/= Serbs

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Mar 3, 2013
 
Ps you moron, Hungarians have things to do with Huns, that is correct, and original Hungarians were not Mongoloids, Serbocigo.
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Mar 3, 2013
 
No, we established that already: you are a piece of shit, Majku ti jebao moj doberman

a tebi: lofasz a segedbe (I hope I said that correctly)

Everybody knows that Huns (whom you calimed previosuly) and Avars (whom you have suddenly dug out) have nothing to do with Hungarians.

Magyars came at the end of the ninth century, as a horde of savage Asiatic looters.

Serbs lived in Vojvodina continually since the 6th century, though -- granted -- their number increased somewhat when the Austrian Empire which owned the land granted it to Serbs as a Serbian Militaergrentze.

True, Vojvodina was a part of the Khanate of Hungary for some time, but the people who lived in that assoication of tribes had nothing to do with Mongloid Asian Magyars, who were a tiny minority in a huge Slavic/Romanian/some German sea of nations.

That "Hungary" didn't even have a language and used only Latin.

So stop your wallowing in SHlT and take the truth: in all of Vojvodina Serbs have been living much longer than Hungarians (since the 6th century for sure), and their Orthodox churches in Vojvodina are from 14th (1) to 17th, 18th (most) and early 19th century (before 1830), while Hungarian Roman-Catholic churches (state religion of the Austrian Empire that ruled the territory until the disastrous division of that country in 1867) are from 1840s on.
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Mar 3, 2013
 
Mongoloid Magyars are NOT Turkic Huns are NOT Indo-European Avars, you süllyedő cigány pina!
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süllyedô cigány pina

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Mar 3, 2013
 
Avars were not Indo-European, and there is no proof that Huns were Turkic.

The thing is, the Huns retreated to the Caucasus area, and formed various alliences, Sabir, OnOgur, Utigur, Kutrigur, which also involved Hungarians. Therefore we have Hunnic blood in us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabir_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onogurs

So fck you kuracface.

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