Battle of Kosovo a victimhood or a memory?

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teddy

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Strahd wrote:
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Did you notice the thread of connection between Albo posts teddy ? It is never about what Albo's have done, you guys never talk about your people, history, historical figures cause there is nothing much to kick about. All you do is attempt to trash the abundance in the history of Serbs.
Serbs never had a historiography,or it was crooked....even the battle of Maritsa was discovered in 1913 by Jirecek...they were clerical country and still they are
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May 2, 2013
 
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Been done hundreds of times on topix by everyone here. Rather, you show me if there is anything beyond Albanian mafia pride. I love the thread where the albo's act tough and proud about having the 'number 1 mafia'. Just stupid lol.
Care for me to bring that link up ?
But we still don't have your aimed psicopaths crimanal of war, of the caliber of Arkan or Ratko Mladic,Milosevic, we are still far way---
blundunt

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May 2, 2013
 
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>What about Mark Kraljevic?....Kostantin of Velibuzd which fought alongside of Ottomans in Kosovo...show me some history not Serbian myth of Njegos
They did not fight with the Turks at Kosovo.
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May 2, 2013
 
blundunt wrote:
<quoted text>They did not fight with the Turks at Kosovo.
Mark Kraljevic fought against Lazar to obtain his interests,he was stripped by Lazar,Brankovic from his lands..and the crown
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May 2, 2013
 
This battle is celebrated because we Serbs stood up to the Turks. There were traitors,cowards,assassins,her oes,and martyrs.Serbian bravery against Turkish fanatisism.A real bloodbath. Those 14th century Serbians brought to the battle just about their entire fighting force. unlike the battle on the Maritza(1371)the Serbian army of 1389 was not surprised in their sleep and slaughtered or drowned in the river-with losses perhaps of 20-25,000 soldiers. This is the battle that put those Serbs on the defensive. If the Serbs had routed the Turks in 1389 with the loss of Murad killed I believe that would have ended the Ottoman threat-perhaps for good!
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blundunt wrote:
This battle is celebrated because we Serbs stood up to the Turks. There were traitors,cowards,assassins,her oes,and martyrs.Serbian bravery against Turkish fanatisism.A real bloodbath. Those 14th century Serbians brought to the battle just about their entire fighting force. unlike the battle on the Maritza(1371)the Serbian army of 1389 was not surprised in their sleep and slaughtered or drowned in the river-with losses perhaps of 20-25,000 soldiers. This is the battle that put those Serbs on the defensive. If the Serbs had routed the Turks in 1389 with the loss of Murad killed I believe that would have ended the Ottoman threat-perhaps for good!
I heard about the battle of Maritsa and it was a harsh disaster...1000 vs. 20.000 ...someone tell they were drunks...

you've never heard of a biblical and mythical revisiting of the battle in Kosovo, especially by clergy....the comparison of the effort made by the Serbs as a right that was the divine struggle between good and evil,or the dream of Knez Lazar
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May 3, 2013
 
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>Mark Kraljevic fought against Lazar to obtain his interests,he was stripped by Lazar,Brankovic from his lands..and the crown
Marko's father Vukashin as part of the New Nobility defeated Lazar and Uros V in the Battle od Kosovo (1369)But unless I overlooked or missed something Marko never fought against other Serbs even for the Turks.He and his father Vukashin were positioning themselves for an attack on Altomanovich in 1371 when they were summoned east by Ugleisha to crusade against the Ghazis in Thrace.I am surprised that Marko did not try for revenge against all of the more powerful Serbian Lords who gobbled up most of his lands after Maritza.
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blundunt wrote:
<quoted text>Marko's father Vukashin as part of the New Nobility defeated Lazar and Uros V in the Battle od Kosovo (1369)But unless I overlooked or missed something Marko never fought against other Serbs even for the Turks.He and his father Vukashin were positioning themselves for an attack on Altomanovich in 1371 when they were summoned east by Ugleisha to crusade against the Ghazis in Thrace.I am surprised that Marko did not try for revenge against all of the more powerful Serbian Lords who gobbled up most of his lands after Maritza.
Mark Kraljevic became an Ottoman Vassal at least his Macedonia giving aid with his folk ...do not be confused with patriotic war that time,first of all were the positions and who gained much more lands ...only mark distinct was the religion
rather ethnic one
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May 4, 2013
 
Second to the Serbian historian Sima Cirkovic"a plentiful array of Serbs fought against army of Knez Lazar"

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#30
May 4, 2013
 
it was inconclusive since serbia's future for the next 300 years was sealed by serbian women marrying turkish sultans
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May 4, 2013
 
Happy Easter to all Serbien & Russian the orthodox brothers : From ? Serb PRAID Da
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May 4, 2013
 
Murad did not let Marko participate in the battle(only against non-Serbian countries like Wallachia and Karaman) You tell me why!
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May 4, 2013
 
blundunt wrote:
Murad did not let Marko participate in the battle(only against non-Serbian countries like Wallachia and Karaman) You tell me why!
Do not be stubborn in this regard!Mark Krajlevic died at the gates of Wallachia 1395
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May 4, 2013
 
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>Do not be stubborn in this regard!Mark Krajlevic died at the gates of Wallachia 1395
I know that. Wallachia is not a Serbian country.And I know Marko was a Turkish Vassal from 1371 to 1395
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May 4, 2013
 
blimey wrote:
it was inconclusive since serbia's future for the next 300 years was sealed by serbian women marrying turkish sultans
UNTIL 1912 alvanians were sealed by alvanian women marrying turkish sultans
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May 4, 2013
 
blundunt wrote:
<quoted text>I know that. Wallachia is not a Serbian country.And I know Marko was a Turkish Vassal from 1371 to 1395
neither was Angora 1402
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May 7, 2013
 
teddy wrote:
<quoted text>neither was Angora 1402
But Marko and Dejan were killed in 1395.Stephan the Tall and his Serbian Knights by 1402 had many battles under their belt and most of them after distinguishing themselves against Timur's Mongols made it home via Constantinople.
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May 7, 2013
 
blundunt wrote:
<quoted text>But Marko and Dejan were killed in 1395.Stephan the Tall and his Serbian Knights by 1402 had many battles under their belt and most of them after distinguishing themselves against Timur's Mongols made it home via Constantinople.
yep was supported by Lazarevic, which was a brave knight...after he took his sister and brought her back in Serbia...

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