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Dr Milan Sufflay

Canning Vale, Australia

#2333 Oct 9, 2013
Dr Milan Sufflay

Canning Vale, Australia

#2335 Oct 9, 2013
pocahontas wrote:
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Who is talking about Pavelic? I'm talking about accepting and being content with the reality that Croatia exists in 2013. I am. You?
Croatia has always existed except for 1941-1945 thats when Croatia had become an Italian Fascist & German Nazi Puppet State
Dr Milan Sufflay

Canning Vale, Australia

#2336 Oct 9, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
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Same here. You could say some partizans were Croats that wanted to defend parts of Croatia from chetniks Italians etc but the ones who worshiped tito and supported his generals at Blieburg were not Croats they were yugoslav war crims
Like I said to a few posters the issue is complex and can go around in circles.
Some people like Milan never learn, he goes out of his way to constantly bring up the Ustasa stuff and is always sledging Croats and even makes a joint effort to side with chetniks here. He is an imposter and is in no shape or form a Croat.
Tito & Partizan Croats had nothing to do with Bleiburg or "Way of the Cross"

Bleiburg & "Way of the Cross" was a typical Serb-Croat Blood Feud, Serb revenge for Ustasha crimes in the former "N.D.H." Death Camps, namely Jasenovac
Dr Milan Sufflay

Canning Vale, Australia

#2337 Oct 9, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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You are failing to see the bigger picture. Milan doesn't care about Communism or Yugoslavia. In-fact I don't think he even supported Yugoslavia, in-fact I think he is just as happy it's gone as you and Poca are. But the difference between you and Milan is that Milan can see that Tito was the true hero for Croatia, and acknowledges his contributions. If he hadn't existed Croatia would be a small little nothing (without a coastline) sandwiched between Italy to the South, Hungary to the north and Serbia to the West. When people think Croatia they think coastline, beaches, islands imagine if Tito hadn't returned that to Croatia, where would it be now. Second of all Tito spend most of Yugoslavia's money to develop Croatia, in a way you could think of Yugoslavia as a way which Tito saved Croatia from Serbia and Italy.
All true Koraly but so called Croatian " Democrats " like Poca, Sokol, Kreso, Christian, Melbourne Hrvat, Ante, Jethro 66 etc. & probably Dalmatino will never achknowledge & accept that Tito was indeed Croatia's WW1 & WW2 savior & liberator; Croatia's modern day anti Fascist/anti-Nazi Moses.
Dr Milan Sufflay

Sturt, Australia

#2338 Oct 9, 2013
.... & reality poster is another Tito dis- miser either
Dr Milan Sufflay

Saint Kilda, Australia

#2340 Oct 9, 2013
Jooosh04 wrote:
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Your point about Bleiburg was fair enough. I didn't acknowledge the many civilians that were killed. I only 'approve'(If that's the right word to use) of the killing of proper Ustasha members and collaborators that killed innocent people, I perhaps should have been more specific about that and condemned the killing of civilians, which even conservatives place a minimum figure of 20,000 (mostly Croats) which were all innocent .
But I have always said that the partisans weren't perfect and they too committed equally horrible crimes alongside the Ustase and Chetniks, believe me I never have been or will be Tito's biggest fan.
Sad but true many Croatian civilians who were gunned down in Bleiburg died as 'Human Shields', used by the extreme cowardly elements of Pavelic's Ustasi para's

If you had nothing to be guilty of, family wise or military wise then why flee to Bleiburg, hand in hand with Pavelic's Ustasi Para-Military ????

My grandfather was a WW2 N.D.H. navy officer & his brother was a WW2 Hrvatski Domobran (Regular Croatian Army officer). They didnt run for the Austrian border. They stayed in their Croatia & lived a productive life in Tito's Yugoslavia, nothing to hide from, no guilt.

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#2343 Oct 9, 2013

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#2344 Oct 9, 2013
Koraly wrote:
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He has given support to Croats, using words like "Serb aggression" and saying the majority of the Partisans were true. When has he ever sided with Chetniks.
Koraly Milan is a fraud an imposter. His token little remarks supporting the Croatian side is minimal and only posted as a facade

Milan for some strange reason feels the need to constantly bring up old war wounds by posting so called war crimes commited by the Croatian side yet he turns a blind eye to the war crimes commited by titos army and the chetniks

You know this very well and it is clear you only want to refresh his trolling strategies and his irrelevant retro propaganda spam. You are "south African" correct? Imagine if you had this Milan twit on your forum 24/7 behaving like a parasite constantly digging up dirt and war crimes about South Africans.

You can pick any nation in the world and dig up and inflate the negative. Milan uses infomration by the victors and compleey ignores the whole picture in its entirety. This Milan is beyond pathetic, a person that brings up crap that happened way before you and I were born. May as well bring up all the other hundreds of war battles that occurred in that region.

Milan has obsessive compulsive ideology that is souley focusesd old yugoslav songs and tito tito tito tito tito tito....
Dr Milan Sufflay

Adelaide, Australia

#2345 Oct 9, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
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Milan you are being silly showing these people wearing those clothes, its irrelevant to the fact that Ustasa org/army does not exist since 1945. Just like your tito yugoslav communist army does not exist anymore.
If we apply your logic then Spartans still exist today
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LJesSYsA6cs/Si45Amf...
PS you're still an imposter pretending to be a Croat
Take it easy chedo
You idiot always weaving & dodging core issues that are just as relevant in todays Croatian society as they were 60 years ago.

I am talking about contemporary Croatian issues that have relevants today & you bring up irrelevant thousands of years old Spartan history as a comparison. Why would someone in today's Greece bring up 1,000's of years old Spartan/Persian history as a counter balance to today's Greek problems

You seem happy with the creeping rise of neo-nazism in Croatia or you are content to ignore it. Those pictures i posted are not of people attending innocent Costume Party's, these are people indoctrinated with ustasha/fascist/nazi ideology attending racist hate fueled Nazi Rock music concerts.

Sure there are no Ustasa Militia's roaming around as of yet but give it time, brain washing today's Croatian youth is a serious issue & no joke, its a step towards resurrecting the Ustasa party & para military through right wing political youth movements
Dr Milan Sufflay

Adelaide, Australia

#2346 Oct 9, 2013
Again Sokol i direct you today's Contemporary Relevant issues presented in this article http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/neonazism1.ht...

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#2348 Oct 9, 2013
No Milan you are going around in circles again. your yugoslav ideology is out of date and was destroyed in the 90s

How about you make some effort into exposing war crimes committed by titos yugoslav army and chetniks
Dr Milan Sufflay

Perth, Australia

#2350 Oct 9, 2013
Neo Nazism in todays europe Sokol OvO is no joke & it is as relevant today as it was back in the 1930's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

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#2351 Oct 9, 2013
Dr Milan Sufflay wrote:
Neo Nazism in todays europe Sokol OvO is no joke & it is as relevant today as it was back in the 1930's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
Since you have a deep understanding about nazism would you like to post the History of nazism in Serbia from WW2 onwards. Serbia had a nazi state under Milan Nedic and the state boasted to be the first Jew free state in Europe is that correct?
Dr Milan Sufflay

High Wycombe, Australia

#2352 Oct 9, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
No Milan you are going around in circles again. your yugoslav ideology is out of date and was destroyed in the 90s
How about you make some effort into exposing war crimes committed by titos yugoslav army and chetniks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B leiburg_repatriations#Backgrou nd

Bleiburg Repatriations : coverage & aftermath in Yugoslavia

No matter how much dirt you Nationalistic Croats tried to throw at Josip Broz Tito over the Serb - Croat Vengeful Blood Feud of Bleiburg, none of that dirt has stuck on Tito.

Tito even after his death all these years is still proved innocent of all charges related to Bleiburg & "Way of the Cross"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Broz_Tito#...

last paragraph : WW2 Yugoslav Front , describes Tito's attempts to reign in any extra judicial revenge acts in Bleiburg

Bleiburg was not a "communist" or "tito" crime

Bleiburg was just one in many Serb-Croat Blood Feuds in the post WW1 era based on everlasting cycles of revenge
Dr Milan Sufflay

Plympton, Australia

#2354 Oct 9, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
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Since you have a deep understanding about nazism would you like to post the History of nazism in Serbia from WW2 onwards. Serbia had a nazi state under Milan Nedic and the state boasted to be the first Jew free state in Europe is that correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G overnment_of_National_Salvatio n

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_the...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Nedi%C4%87

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_State_Gu...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_J...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_leaders_of_...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers

If you were on this thread, paying some attention a few weeks back you would have realized that i was posting all these links about Serbia Proper's role in WW2. I have no bias in exposing Nazism across all of Europe

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#2356 Oct 9, 2013
pocahontas wrote:
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No offence Josh, but what do any of you arm chair generals know about the little people who one day were tending their fields and the next a gun was put in their hands? That man from the article I mentioned, do you think he'd appreciate any of you vilifying one of his grandfathers? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't.
Well, I don't appreciate certain Croats vilifying my grandfather, and your general support for the vilification of Serbs, but that has never stopped you o hypocritical one.

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#2357 Oct 9, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
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Strahd your chum Ljubljana posted links that showed BiH and Montenegro belonging and settled by Croats so if you wish to quote from him that's fine lol
As for the "ic" isms, its complete utter rubbish and I'm surprised you would fall for such noncence
By tradition All Slavic people in the Middle Ages aded an "ic" to their last name once they held higher positions such as nobles-kings, by the late Middle Ages it came custom for most people to add the suffix.
Before you Serbs even had prince's the Croats already had Kingss with their last names ending with "ic" eg Trpimirovic etc
Russians and Poles today have the suffix ic
BTW no Serbs ever existed in Bosnia, those Serbs in east Bosnia are Roma hence that area of " republika srpska" is called Romanija and those so called Serbs in west Bosnia Banja Luka are Croats and Vlachs by origin hence all the Croat typinyms in that area.
In Serbia near Sumadija is the area of Stari Vlah etc
PS you have much to learn young padawan
Hence why I said

‘ending in ‘ic’ and ‘vic’ are attributed to the Serbians in the case of the Balkans’.

We are talking about the west Balkans, not the Russian or Polish Slavs.

The obvious identical language points to some cultural transmutation in the very early medieval period or just prior to the arrival in the Balkans. The Croats adopted the Slavic overlay from the absorption of the Serbs.

Referring to Serbs as Vlachs or Roma is just your nonsense showing through, your prejudice.‘Stari Vlah’,??? Your funny sometimes.

If Serbs are Roma than by all logical sense so are the Croats, even more so, and if we play your name game the inclusion of popular surnames amongst the Croats such as ‘Turk’,‘Turkovic, Vlahovic and ‘Vlah’ can only mean one thing.

Going by that we can say that Ljubljana makes more sense when he states that Croats from BIH, Dalmatia and Vojvodina are actually Vlachs.

So in effect we can say that the only Slav Croats are Croatised Serbs and that the rest are Vlachs.

So what are you, a Croatised Serb or Vlach.

You haven’t even begun to learn mali klinac.
Dr Milan Sufflay

Adelaide, Australia

#2358 Oct 9, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
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Since you have a deep understanding about nazism would you like to post the History of nazism in Serbia from WW2 onwards. Serbia had a nazi state under Milan Nedic and the state boasted to be the first Jew free state in Europe is that correct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F ar_right_in_Serbia

Serbia seems to be combating its neo-nazism but i am not from a Serbian background so i am not so educated in Serbian domestic issues

I once read that some poor Roma boy after finishing buying some coca cola from a deli in Belgrade was set upon by some Serb skin heads & beaten to an inch of his life - & some Hungarian boy in Vojvodina suffered the same consequences of neo-nazi ideology as explained in the "Vojvodina Looking Forward to Independence" thread; these types of story's sicken me & that is why i am so serious about the rise of neo - Nazism/Fascism in Eastern Europe incl. post Socialist Croatia

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#2360 Oct 9, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
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Since you have a deep understanding about nazism would you like to post the History of nazism in Serbia from WW2 onwards. Serbia had a nazi state under Milan Nedic and the state boasted to be the first Jew free state in Europe is that correct?
You neo Ustasa types are an amusing bunch.
Strahd

Prospect, Australia

#2361 Oct 9, 2013
I like saying neo before everything anti-rapist chetnik. Neo Americans and neo NATO backs the neo Muslims and neo Zionists but neo Croats are more neo than other neo's being now nearer neo NATO

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