Avar, Havar, Harvat, Hrvat

Avar, Havar, Harvat, Hrvat

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Konan Varvarin

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#1 Jul 4, 2012
The Croats, who are these people ?, the very representation of the dark side of Balkan and Central European politics, a group of people that has always chosen the dark side in wars, wether that be Austro-Hungarian or Nazi Germany.

The Croat is the eternal barbarian, a frightening blend of Slav Avar/Goth elements that has conjured up images of Ustasas, death camps and the cruellest forms of torture, the very stuff of darkest nightmare.

What is equally strange is that the Croat does not really exist as a race, but is in reality, a blend of Slav ( including Serbian ), Scythian, Sarmatian, Gothic, Avar, Magyar, Antes and a host of other races. When we think of the Croat it may be helpful to less think of them as a race, but more like a horde of barbarians. A little like the Caribbean pirates that made fledgling autonomous self rule in the West Indies and comprised of many nations, Scots, English, Irish, Spanish, Portuguese and African to name a few. Also, the Rome was founded by brigands from various Latin tribes and we all know the cruelty that resulted in the the Gladiatorial spectacles. Another example is Attila’s horde made up of Huns, Goths, Avars, Iranians and Slavs. This last group fits prominently in the make up of what we call the Croat.

For simplification purposes the Croat in strong part is the result of an Avar ruling caste over a subdued Slavic population that included Serbs. Slavic women had been chosen as mates, and as children raised by mothers, began to speak the Slavic tongue as opposed to the Turko Avar tongue of their fathers who spent much of their time away on raids and war. The free Serbs represented the Slav nation that would not yield to Avar control. This is part of the hate the Croats have for the more pure Slavic Serbs and the separation the two people have had for most of their history. In fact, apart from the captures Slavs, the two have had little to do with each other in ancient and medieval times.

Let us just say that Croatian ancestral origins are a mess, and the more we delve into it the more I understand why different Croats say they are Iranian, Turkic, Slav or Goth, in fact, they are all of this and more. Lets look at these various strands and make some sense of this chaotic horde of barbarians. In later instalments I will also list some of the main highlights from Stanko Guldesco’s interesting work “ History of Medieval Croatia “ as well as other sources.
Konan Varvarin

Australia

#2 Jul 4, 2012
Have you ever noticed how Croats are always calling Serbs peasants, pig farmers, tractor jokes and the rest of that.

This is nothing more than the Avar steppe disdain for the Slav neolithic agriculturalist. Many Serbs are from farming ancestors, hard working shepherds and field workers, holders of vast tracts of land. These were free autonomous land holders, fighting only in defence of land and family, and worthy of our respect.

This is something the Turkic Avar can never understand. Our Slavic Croat cousins need to put aside their violent Avar-Goth impulses aside and rejoin civilisation.

Lets be reasonable here, on one side is the Caucasian Siptar, on another Slav Avar Hrvati and Hun Magyars, again to the south and east exist the racially confused Macedonians and the Bulgar Slav hybrids. It seems that the Serbs are the only REAL and viable link to the Slavic neolithic past and hence the struggle the Serb faces to maintain their existence.

As for Iranian influences, well, the Iranians by way of European Cimmerian, Scythian and Sarmatians have always had influence on the cultural growth of the Slav and European culture from a very early period, no matter east, west or south Slav. That is not a bad in itself and does not negate the Slavic priority in any way, but enhances it.

Serbs are very much like the Czech, Slovak, Wendic Sorbs Russian and Ukranian side of the Slav family.

Thank God for Serb conservatism.

Zivela Srbija

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#3 Jul 4, 2012
You imbecile!

If Croats are Avars it means they lived in Serbia as well meaning Serbs have Croatian ancestry as well.

You butthead

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Konan Varvarin wrote:
The Croats, who are these people ?, the very representation of the dark side of Balkan and Central European politics, a group of people that has always chosen the dark side in wars, wether that be Austro-Hungarian or Nazi Germany.
The Croat is the eternal barbarian, a frightening blend of Slav Avar/Goth elements that has conjured up images of Ustasas, death camps and the cruellest forms of torture, the very stuff of darkest nightmare.
What is equally strange is that the Croat does not really exist as a race, but is in reality, a blend of Slav ( including Serbian ), Scythian, Sarmatian, Gothic, Avar, Magyar, Antes and a host of other races. When we think of the Croat it may be helpful to less think of them as a race, but more like a horde of barbarians. A little like the Caribbean pirates that made fledgling autonomous self rule in the West Indies and comprised of many nations, Scots, English, Irish, Spanish, Portuguese and African to name a few. Also, the Rome was founded by brigands from various Latin tribes and we all know the cruelty that resulted in the the Gladiatorial spectacles. Another example is Attila’s horde made up of Huns, Goths, Avars, Iranians and Slavs. This last group fits prominently in the make up of what we call the Croat.
For simplification purposes the Croat in strong part is the result of an Avar ruling caste over a subdued Slavic population that included Serbs. Slavic women had been chosen as mates, and as children raised by mothers, began to speak the Slavic tongue as opposed to the Turko Avar tongue of their fathers who spent much of their time away on raids and war. The free Serbs represented the Slav nation that would not yield to Avar control. This is part of the hate the Croats have for the more pure Slavic Serbs and the separation the two people have had for most of their history. In fact, apart from the captures Slavs, the two have had little to do with each other in ancient and medieval times.
Let us just say that Croatian ancestral origins are a mess, and the more we delve into it the more I understand why different Croats say they are Iranian, Turkic, Slav or Goth, in fact, they are all of this and more. Lets look at these various strands and make some sense of this chaotic horde of barbarians. In later instalments I will also list some of the main highlights from Stanko Guldesco’s interesting work “ History of Medieval Croatia “ as well as other sources.

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#4 Jul 4, 2012
Serbs were originally a mix of Indian and Turkish tribes that later on became Roman slaves and were dumped off in the Albanian lands of Moesia(Serbia)
Most Serbs today are Albanian converts and descendants of ottoman Turks.

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#5 Jul 4, 2012
-----Genetic Haplogroup study of Croats and Serbs-----

Serb Haplogroup:
25%-E3B
15%-T
15%-J1
25%-12a
15%-R1a
5%--R1b&l1

Result = Serbs are,
* 55% Turkish & Albanian
* 5% Balkan & other
* 40% Are only Slavic

Result = Serbs are mostly Turks and Albanians.

Croat Haplogroup:
30%-R1a
45%-12a
10%-12b
10%-R1b
5%-E3b

Result = Croats are,
*75% Slavic
*25% European

Result = Croats are Slavic Europeans.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2qluxvl.png

Serbs are mostly of Turkish and Albanian ancestry wile Croats are Slavic Europeans.

Science fact Serbs are Turks.

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#6 Jul 4, 2012
Historical research shows a large number of Serbs are of Albanian origin.

Large percent of Serbs have Albanian surnames that end with the suffix "ich"

http://books.google.com.au/books...

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#7 Jul 4, 2012
Serbs put the "ich" at the end of their surnames to hide their true Turkish origins.

Quote from Crnogorac:

All Serb heros have Turkish and eastern and Mongol names.

.Arkan
.Hadz-ic
.Kara-dzic
.Kara-dordevic
.Serif-ovic
.Uros
.Uros II
.Uros III
.Uros IV
.Uros V
.Zaharija

Serb districts have Turkish names

.Sandzak
.Avala

Hardocre Serb football club - Delije = Turkish name.

The word Cet-nik is of Turkish origin.

Serbs are Turks

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#8 Jul 4, 2012
Serbs were originally Turk Afghan and Indian tribe mix the Sarbans who later on became Roman slaves (Servs/Servants) that were resettled in the Roman provinces of todays Serbia then later on after 1389 became Turks.
The true original inhabitants of Serbia were Albanians and Roma and Vlach who were forced to have the Serb identity put on them.

"These Sarbani are identified with Serbs (whose Sarmatian / Iranian origin is also suggested by some researchers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbans

"It is also mentioned in history that Ships from Roman Empire have droped their slaves at today's Montenegrin sea coast and they moved up to the land known as Serbia (Srbija) today. They called their slaves "Serv" (as servant for individual) and the region picked up a name as "Servia" wich eventualy became as Serb and Serbia and in slavic languages that would become Srbi as for people and land as Srbija. Prior to that, land was known as being empty and belonging to nobody.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Serbia_get_...

Indian traces are clearly evident today among the Serbs today

Indija - The name of the town is an archaic Serbian name for India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In%C4%91ija

As clearly shown Slavic Serbs don't exist.

Serbs were originally mix of Afghan Turk Indians that later on mix with Turks and forced Albanians and Roma into their culture

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#9 Jul 4, 2012
After 1389 most of the Serbs left Serbia and moved north wile large populations of Turks migrated to Serbia and mixed in with the remaining Serbs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

That is why Serbs today look like Turkish Arab Talibans

Arab
http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/wp-co...

Serb
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_i207XQHGdO0/Ro_-ino...

Arab
http://samandimp.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/...

Serb
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/54/eince...

Arab
http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/a...

Serb
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/264/img0...

Serbs are Turkish Talibans

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#10 Jul 4, 2012
Serb radical Arkan had a Turk name and his wife Ceca sings Turkish style of music.

The most popular style of music in Serbia is Turkish turbo folk.

Serb music is heavily Turkish influenced

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#11 Jul 4, 2012
IT IS CLEAR TO SEE, EVERYTHING ABOUT THE SERB CULTURE IS TURKISH
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#12 Jul 4, 2012
It is clear and evident, Serb culture and ancestry is for the most part Turkish.

1389 Serbs are Turks

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Perun

Serbia

#13 Jul 4, 2012
My God You are such a stupid...

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#14 Jul 4, 2012
Anyone with issues with what is posted on this thread should ask Konan Varvarin why he started it.

Milivoj

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Dalmatino the dog

Saint Albans, Australia

#15 Jul 4, 2012
Avar, havar, harvat, hrvat,KURVAT!
Srboslav

Novi Sad, Serbia

#16 Jul 4, 2012
MiIivoj wrote:
-----Genetic Haplogroup study of Croats and Serbs-----
Serb Haplogroup:
25%-E3B
15%-T
15%-J1
25%-12a
15%-R1a
5%--R1b&l1
Result = Serbs are,
* 55% Turkish & Albanian
* 5% Balkan & other
* 40% Are only Slavic
Result = Serbs are mostly Turks and Albanians.
Croat Haplogroup:
30%-R1a
45%-12a
10%-12b
10%-R1b
5%-E3b
Result = Croats are,
*75% Slavic
*25% European
Result = Croats are Slavic Europeans.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2qluxvl.png
Serbs are mostly of Turkish and Albanian ancestry wile Croats are Slavic Europeans.
Science fact Serbs are Turks.
Braavo Milivoje, verovatno se osecas mnogo bolje sa ovom "naucnom" studijom...hahahaha, zasto ne dodati ovoj tvojoj "studiji" i istorijsko socioloski element!......Verovatno je genetsko poreklo hrvata koje je tako "evropsko i cisto" zasluzno za koncetracione logore tokom WW2....jadovno, jasenovac, ubijanje zena dece i starih i bespomocnih...700.000 ljudi ubijeno samo u jasenovcu...heejjjj, covece, o cemu ti pises na ovom forumu??? Dr.Mengele pa i sam Hitler su bili zadivljeni "uspesima ustasa" tokom WW2... verovatno su tvoji geni..identicni sa ovim nemackim junacima koje pomenuh malopre... ocigledan si primer narodne poslovice "CEGA SE PAMETAN STIDI, BUDALA SE PONOSI..." ali svakako mozes biti ponosan na svoje lepo pravoslavno ime Milivoje....hahahaha, toliko o tvom poreklu i genima....pokusaj da proucis svoj rodoslov, i videces da je neki tvoj pradeda bio pravoslavni svestenik...pozdrav od Srboslava..

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#17 Jul 4, 2012
Serb/Serv = Servant = Slave
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Serbia_get_...
Dalmatino the dog wrote:
Avar, havar, harvat, hrvat,KURVAT!

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#18 Jul 4, 2012
Ti si budala

Milivoj = Slavenski ime

Srbi su Turci

http://entertainment.msn.co.nz/img/blog/jun10...

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Srboslav wrote:
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Braavo Milivoje, verovatno se osecas mnogo bolje sa ovom "naucnom" studijom...hahahaha, zasto ne dodati ovoj tvojoj "studiji" i istorijsko socioloski element!......Verovatno je genetsko poreklo hrvata koje je tako "evropsko i cisto" zasluzno za koncetracione logore tokom WW2....jadovno, jasenovac, ubijanje zena dece i starih i bespomocnih...700.000 ljudi ubijeno samo u jasenovcu...heejjjj, covece, o cemu ti pises na ovom forumu??? Dr.Mengele pa i sam Hitler su bili zadivljeni "uspesima ustasa" tokom WW2... verovatno su tvoji geni..identicni sa ovim nemackim junacima koje pomenuh malopre... ocigledan si primer narodne poslovice "CEGA SE PAMETAN STIDI, BUDALA SE PONOSI..." ali svakako mozes biti ponosan na svoje lepo pravoslavno ime Milivoje....hahahaha, toliko o tvom poreklu i genima....pokusaj da proucis svoj rodoslov, i videces da je neki tvoj pradeda bio pravoslavni svestenik...pozdrav od Srboslava..
Konan Varvarin

Australia

#19 Jul 5, 2012
Dalmatino the dog wrote:
Avar, havar, harvat, hrvat,KURVAT!
Yes, good one.

Milivoj aka Sokol does the same rehash copy and paste job with the same sh*t all over this forum.

Read the above posts and you can see that he confuses his insults all the time, sometimes we are Albanians, other times Turks, Indians or Mongols. I think he does not even know what day it is.

Anyway, I will be back with more info on the Avar Croat dilemma.

Also will include something I posted on another thread.

Zivela Srbija
Konan Varvarin

Australia

#20 Jul 5, 2012
Dalmatino the dog wrote:
Avar, havar, harvat, hrvat,KURVAT!
Yes, good one.

Milivoj aka Sokol does the same rehash copy and paste job with the same sh*t all over this forum.

Read the above posts and you can see that he confuses his insults all the time, sometimes we are Albanians, other times Turks, Indians or Mongols. I think he does not even know what day it is.

Anyway, I will be back with more info on the Turkic Avar-Goth Croat dilemma.

Also will include something I posted on another thread.

Zivela Srbija

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