Serbian Lands in the 9th Century
Dr Milan Sufflay

Crafers, Australia

#214 Dec 10, 2013
Dalmatino wrote:
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Jasenovac was exaggerated and the chetniks killed far more Muslims and Croats collectively.
Serbian scholar Bogoljub Kocovic proved the numbers to be a myth and his works are still rejected in serbia to this day.
Bogoljub Kocovic stated:
"Very soon it dawned upon me that the major obstacle to my work would be the myths created over four decades about the number of victims, myths by now deeply implanted in the soul of the people of all religions, political beliefs and nationality; myths which, by repetition became a 'reality'. There will be many who will reject my study because it does not conform to their beliefs...Many of them are looking for spiritual food to ignite their hatred of the Croats."
Now fck off serb ball licker and go and count our dead instead of theirs. Leg me know how many you come up with.
I dont play number games Dalmo, my opinion on how many Serbs were killed by the Ustasi regime are similar to yours. I am talking about responsibility for crimes committed .

Nobody is to blame for Bleiburg,'Krzni Put' & Jasenovac but the blame lies with the Serbian Chetniks & Croatian Ustasi only & nobody else

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#215 Dec 10, 2013
Dalmatino wrote:
<quoted text>
So you've got no names of cities yet?
Just the ones created by the pre Slavic classical settlers of the Balkans that you already mentioned, cities occupied by Serbs and Croats of Dalmatia at one time or another. We are talking 9th century, not 19th century. I might as well point to Serb cities in Sumadija and claim that Bulgarians never existed west of their current borders. Just dumb.
Dr Milan Sufflay

Crafers, Australia

#216 Dec 10, 2013
wording was a little off with 2nd. paragraph but essentially Nationalists i.e.; Chetniks & Ustashi are the only one's to blame for Bleiburg, Jasenovac & 'Krzni Put'

Since: Mar 13

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#217 Dec 10, 2013
Dalmatino wrote:
<quoted text>
Well English Strahd, topix is not serbia nor Croatia. Go to any serbian online news or magazine and read the comments, it's unanimous, all Croats are Ustase.
Even you've made the very same claim.
Hvala i dobro dosli.
What you c0cksmokers would like and hope for is to label every Croat as Ustasa and for it to be a source of shame to us whilst servs praise their Nasi collaborating, German pilot rescuing legion of merit medal winning Chetniks.
Well I'm proud of being an Ustasa and I thank each and every serb for helping me to realise it.
=U=
Fcking petulant lol

Why don't you take a leaf out of the behaviour of Croats like Milan and Jooosh.
Dalmatino

Port Pirie, Australia

#218 Dec 10, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>Just the ones created by the pre Slavic classical settlers of the Balkans that you already mentioned, cities occupied by Serbs and Croats of Dalmatia at one time or another. We are talking 9th century, not 19th century. I might as well point to Serb cities in Sumadija and claim that Bulgarians never existed west of their current borders. Just dumb.
:))))
ok I'll let you off the hook man, even for an Ustasa Pure Serb I still have a soft spot for you half serbs.

Long live pork.
Dalmatino

Port Pirie, Australia

#219 Dec 10, 2013
Dr Milan Sufflay wrote:
<quoted text>I dont play number games Dalmo, my opinion on how many Serbs were killed by the Ustasi regime are similar to yours. I am talking about responsibility for crimes committed .

Nobody is to blame for Bleiburg,'Krzni Put' & Jasenovac but the blame lies with the Serbian Chetniks & Croatian Ustasi only & nobody else
and their responsibility?
When it's on an equal footing I'll think about it, until then always defiant.

Torcida
Dalmatino

Port Pirie, Australia

#220 Dec 10, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>Fcking petulant lol

Why don't you take a leaf out of the behaviour of Croats like Milan and Jooosh.
like bag my own whilst you glorify genocidal maniacs like mihajlovic? hehe c'mon Strahd, you know I can't do that.

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#221 Dec 10, 2013
Dalmatino wrote:
<quoted text>
:))))
ok I'll let you off the hook man, even for an Ustasa Pure Serb I still have a soft spot for you half serbs.
Long live pork.
That's the difference. If I had Croat in my background, or if Croats had settled Sumadija in the distant past it wouldn't bother me.

Of course that is very unlikely, but I only say that as an example.

“tell it how it is”

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#222 Dec 10, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
The Croats did not have Croat derived 'maritime cities'....
Strahd most if not nearly all Serb towns in Rascia/Serbia were originally founded by Romans Greeks Bulgarians and Hungarians etc - such as Nis Belgrade Ras :D

Strahd wile Rascia/Serbia was under Bulgaria the Croats already created their own coastal towns
Croatian Kings had their seat in, Nin, Solin, Sibenik, Biograd, Trogir, Split, Zadar etc

Further more-

According to Longobard writer Pavlo &#272;akon from the year 642, Croats have many ships under the city of Siponto (Manfredonia in Southern Italy). There are many records of the problems of the Venetian Republic with Croatian pirates in the Venetian records from the second half of the 7th century. At the time it was a considerable source of revenue for all countries. The same sources speak about Croats as successful ship builders. Already at the time of Prince Vladislav (821-835), the sources mention a strong navy. Thanks to the maritime power of Croatia, prince Mislav of Croatia (835-845) enabled Venice to establish control on the Eastern Adriatic. During the rule of Prince Trpimir (845-864), Croats broke through to Friuli and in front of the Venice itself. During the rule of Prince Domagoj (864-876) the strong Croatian Navy successfully defended its coast from Venice and in 866 the Venetian Doge Partezipazio was forced to conclude peace treaty. A great pest at that time in the Adriatic Sea was the Saracens. Therefore an alliance was made between the Byzantine Empire, Venetia and Croatia and later on between the Pope and the Franks. In 871 the Croatian Navy distinguished itself as ally of Frank Emperor Ludovik II in liberation of Bari from the Saracens.[1]
At the time of Prince Branimir (879-892) or at the time when Croatia becomes a completely independent state, the Croatian Navy continues its rise. That was the time of the famous battle in the Middle Dalmatian local waters and when the Venetians were completely defeated on 18 September 887. Venetian Doge Pietro I Candiano was killed. Between his death in 887 and 948, no new war was recorded between Venice and the Croats, which should mean the Venetians paid tribute to maintain the peace.[2]
In the work of Constantine Porphyrogenitus, De administrando imperio it is stated that Croatia, during reign of King Tomislav had 80 sagenas (larger ships with 40 sailors) and 100 konduras (smaller ships with 10 to 20 sailors, not counting oarsmen). Beside this powerful navy the King Tomislav (910-928) also had strong army with 60 000 horsemen and 100 000 infantrymen. The era of King Stjepan Držislav (969-996) was marked with successful maritime trade and safekeeping of maritime routes and domination of Croatia on the eastern coast of the Adriatic Sea.[1]
The King of Croatia and Dalmatia Petar Krešimir IV (1058–1074) expanded its kingdom "on land and on sea". In his deed of donation to the convent of Saint Krševan in Zadar in 1069, it is stated that he donates the island of Maun situated "in our Dalmatian sea" (in nostro dalmatico mari). The Duke of the Croatian Royal Navy Rusin is mentioned at the time and the fact that the very title of Duke could be borne only by governmental dignitaries is proof of the navy importance.[1]
In the first year of the rule of King Dmitar Zvonimir (1074–1089) Normans invaded the Adriatic Sea. As Normans ally, Dmitar Zvonimir joined in wars against Byzantium. When Robert Guiscard, Duke of Apulia, invaded the western Balkan provinces of the empire in 1084, Zvonimir sent his fleet to his aid.[1]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the...

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#223 Dec 10, 2013
SOKOL OvO wrote:
<quoted text>
Strahd most if not nearly all Serb towns in Rascia/Serbia were originally founded by Romans Greeks Bulgarians and Hungarians etc - such as Nis Belgrade Ras :D
Strahd wile Rascia/Serbia was under Bulgaria the Croats already created their own coastal towns
Croatian Kings had their seat in, Nin, Solin, Sibenik, Biograd, Trogir, Split, Zadar etc
Further more-
According to Longobard writer Pavlo &#272;akon from the year 642, Croats have many ships under the city of Siponto (Manfredonia in Southern Italy). There are many records of the problems of the Venetian Republic with Croatian pirates in the Venetian records from the second half of the 7th century. At the time it was a considerable source of revenue for all countries. The same sources speak about Croats as successful ship builders. Already at the time of Prince Vladislav (821-835), the sources mention a strong navy. Thanks to the maritime power of Croatia, prince Mislav of Croatia (835-845) enabled Venice to establish control on the Eastern Adriatic. During the rule of Prince Trpimir (845-864), Croats broke through to Friuli and in front of the Venice itself. During the rule of Prince Domagoj (864-876) the strong Croatian Navy successfully defended its coast from Venice and in 866 the Venetian Doge Partezipazio was forced to conclude peace treaty. A great pest at that time in the Adriatic Sea was the Saracens. Therefore an alliance was made between the Byzantine Empire, Venetia and Croatia and later on between the Pope and the Franks. In 871 the Croatian Navy distinguished itself as ally of Frank Emperor Ludovik II in liberation of Bari from the Saracens.[1]
At the time of Prince Branimir (879-892) or at the time when Croatia becomes a completely independent state, the Croatian Navy continues its rise. That was the time of the famous battle in the Middle Dalmatian local waters and when the Venetians were completely defeated on 18 September 887. Venetian Doge Pietro I Candiano was killed. Between his death in 887 and 948, no new war was recorded between Venice and the Croats, which should mean the Venetians paid tribute to maintain the peace.[2]
In the work of Constantine Porphyrogenitus, De administrando imperio it is stated that Croatia, during reign of King Tomislav had 80 sagenas (larger ships with 40 sailors) and 100 konduras (smaller ships with 10 to 20 sailors, not counting oarsmen). Beside this powerful navy the King Tomislav (910-928) also had strong army with 60 000 horsemen and 100 000 infantrymen. The era of King Stjepan Držislav (969-996) was marked with successful maritime trade and safekeeping of maritime routes and domination of Croatia on the eastern coast of the Adriatic Sea.[1]
The King of Croatia and Dalmatia Petar Krešimir IV (1058–1074) expanded its kingdom "on land and on sea". In his deed of donation to the convent of Saint Krševan in Zadar in 1069, it is stated that he donates the island of Maun situated "in our Dalmatian sea" (in nostro dalmatico mari). The Duke of the Croatian Royal Navy Rusin is mentioned at the time and the fact that the very title of Duke could be borne only by governmental dignitaries is proof of the navy importance.[1]
In the first year of the rule of King Dmitar Zvonimir (1074–1089) Normans invaded the Adriatic Sea. As Normans ally, Dmitar Zvonimir joined in wars against Byzantium. When Robert Guiscard, Duke of Apulia, invaded the western Balkan provinces of the empire in 1084, Zvonimir sent his fleet to his aid.[1]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the...
Adriatic coastal huggers. Drop you in the middle of the Atlantic or even the Mediterranean and you would be lost...or really fall off the edge of the world.

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#224 Dec 10, 2013
Bah, Adriatic coastal huggers. Drop you in the middle of the Atlantic or even the Mediterranean beyond the security of the Italian and Balkan peninsula straights and you would be lost....or just fall of the edge of the world.
Dalmatino

Port Pirie, Australia

#225 Dec 10, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>Adriatic coastal huggers. Drop you in the middle of the Atlantic or even the Mediterranean and you would be lost...or really fall off the edge of the world.
Don't make me come around there and give you a Pure Serb back hander

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#226 Dec 10, 2013
Dalmatino wrote:
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Don't make me come around there and give you a Pure Serb back hander
Well, if you want to admit that there are no real Croats left.

“tell it how it is”

Since: Nov 11

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#227 Dec 10, 2013
Strahd wrote:
<quoted text>
Adriatic coastal huggers. Drop you in the middle of the Atlantic or even the Mediterranean and you would be lost...or really fall off the edge of the world.
hehehe your words are green with envy

In the work of Constantine Porphyrogenitus, De administrando imperio it is stated that Croatia, during reign of King Tomislav had 80 sagenas (larger ships with 40 sailors) and 100 konduras (smaller ships with 10 to 20 sailors, not counting oarsmen). Beside this powerful navy the King Tomislav (910-928) also had strong army with 60 000 horsemen and 100 000 infantrymen. The era of King Stjepan Držislav (969-996) was marked with successful maritime trade and safekeeping of maritime routes and domination of Croatia on the eastern coast of the Adriatic Sea.

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#228 Dec 10, 2013
lol
Mutti Merkel

Prague, Czech Republic

#229 Dec 10, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
lol
Welcome back.

“tell it how it is”

Since: Nov 11

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#231 Dec 10, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
lol
hehehe yes you haven't missed much still the same old
Dalmatino

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#232 Dec 10, 2013
Last ethnic croatian king was killed in 1097

CCCC

“tell it how it is”

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#233 Dec 10, 2013
cccc wrote:
Last ethnic croatian king was killed in 1097
CCCC
Croatia was a kingdom 300 years before Serbia. Croatian first King 924ad, Serbian first king 1217ad.

You are only humiliating yourself when you talk about history.

By the way the Croatian house Berislavic were the last to rule Serbia in the Middle Ages as Serbia had no more noble lines left.
""""1514-2 0 Regent Dowager Despina Helena of Serbia
Her first husband was Jovan Brankovic, despot of Sebia in 1493–1502. After his death she was married to Croatian nobleman Ivanis Berislavic who then became the Serbian despot (1502–14). After the death of Ivanis she conducted the affairs of state in place of her minor son, the despot Stjepan Berislavic (1514 – 35).""
George_So

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#234 Dec 10, 2013
Last ethnic Croatian king was killed in 1097

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gvozd_...

CCCC
SOKOL OvO wrote:
<quoted text>
Croatia was a kingdom 300 years before Serbia. Croatian first King 924ad, Serbian first king 1217ad.
You are only humiliating yourself when you talk about history.
By the way the Croatian house Berislavic were the last to rule Serbia in the Middle Ages as Serbia had no more noble lines left.
""""1514-2 0 Regent Dowager Despina Helena of Serbia
Her first husband was Jovan Brankovic, despot of Sebia in 1493–1502. After his death she was married to Croatian nobleman Ivanis Berislavic who then became the Serbian despot (1502–14). After the death of Ivanis she conducted the affairs of state in place of her minor son, the despot Stjepan Berislavic (1514 – 35).""

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