Is Malietoa the Highest ranking chief/Paramount chief in Samoa?

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Just interested in what most of you Samoans think.. Would you consider Malietoa to be the highest ranking chief in all of Samoa. Or to the point where you can almost say that he's close enough to being considered a Tu'i?

If any of you would answer yes, then isn't it a trip that it took one guy to take a phrase right out of the defeated Tongans' saying "Malie Toa" and thus turn it into a title of some type of chieftainship in Samoa, obviously known as Malietoa...???

What does that say about prior chiefs/matais or whatever you call your ali'is, etc.... Wouldn't that be kind of belittling in a sense to the Samoans that it took a warrior to fend off Tongans and earn a newly formed title as chief only to overshadow longer existing dynasties that were already in full swing and existence at the time Samoa was under the Tongan Occupation...

Someone elaborate... malo
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Aug 27, 2012
 
Perhaps to those of us that are related to those lucky few Tongan survivors that managed to escape the massacre that day?!?

But to the rest of us, nah! It donít mean jack to me! Just another so called title, like your Tuiís, just add it to the rest of them.
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Aug 27, 2012
 
I can smell arrogance along with that "SH!T" eating grin on that pudgy azz face of urs. the answer to ur question is NO. U are searching for things u already know, why are u so adamant in the complexity of samoan culture the majority of these young samoans dont have access to. The Togan culture is as complex due to it happened long ago and it is filled with question marks as well, why dont you research that instead of trying to compromise sacred places and events due to ur inferiorty ways just to be better than ur fellow man?

Iv'e been reading ur less than admirable attempts to belittle in this forum since a few years back, and to be honest, "YOUR SH!T IS DRY"! It like all you got is phucking name calling, but never anything educational that one can apply to their daily life???

Stall ur SH!T already, it stink like a stench from hell! Maybe assist ur parents by finding a job rather then going to school. I know you learning anything cause ur here on these forums like clock work and clowning with the same as tired jokes.....

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We must remember the type of status Polynesians kings had in the old days. They were Aitu, Gods amoung men and they were highly revered etc Tui'tonga, Makea or kamehameha.

What Malietoa did to become someone of nobility was he defeated not a "King" but a "God". Then you stake on the fact that his family was instumental in the Independence of Samoa, so Malietoa has earned his place.

But in my opinion, you are familiar with the history of samoa and the title of Tui'manua. That is the oldest title in Samoan history and to some is considered the highest. Just on the fact that, that the last time all of Samoa was under a single banner and malo was under a Tui'manu'a.

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I can smell arrogance along with that "SH!T" eating grin on that pudgy azz face of urs. the answer to ur question is NO. U are searching for things u already know, why are u so adamant in the complexity of samoan culture the majority of these young samoans dont have access to. The Togan culture is as complex due to it happened long ago and it is filled with question marks as well, why dont you research that instead of trying to compromise sacred places and events due to ur inferiorty ways just to be better than ur fellow man?
Iv'e been reading ur less than admirable attempts to belittle in this forum since a few years back, and to be honest, "YOUR SH!T IS DRY"! It like all you got is phucking name calling, but never anything educational that one can apply to their daily life???
Stall ur SH!T already, it stink like a stench from hell! Maybe assist ur parents by finding a job rather then going to school. I know you learning anything cause ur here on these forums like clock work and clowning with the same as tired jokes.....
you say, "the majority of young Samoans don't have access to"? Please explain...

Who's to blame? Who's fault is it that these poor young Samoans have no access to their identity as Samoans. To be proud of your Samoan-ness, wouldn't it be fitting to first know how to speak Samoan as well as know its history? How can one represent, show allegiance to, and be patriotic of being Samoan if they themselves don't understand it?

Yet, they are very so willing to accept anything that belittles others and makes it like Samoa is superior in all stances and perspectives.. Such as the false rubbish that TOA spews in here?? All in the name of "I'm better than my fellow man"... C'mon fautaua, quit being so hypocritical and answer the question and thread at hand...

You're being defensive, irrational, and obviously still riled up from past posts...

BTW, never any arrogance on my part. Just fun and games. But very aware of Samoa's significance, ties, and important roles in the Tongan history itself. Malo

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We must remember the type of status Polynesians kings had in the old days. They were Aitu, Gods amoung men and they were highly revered etc Tui'tonga, Makea or kamehameha.
What Malietoa did to become someone of nobility was he defeated not a "King" but a "God". Then you stake on the fact that his family was instumental in the Independence of Samoa, so Malietoa has earned his place.
But in my opinion, you are familiar with the history of samoa and the title of Tui'manua. That is the oldest title in Samoan history and to some is considered the highest. Just on the fact that, that the last time all of Samoa was under a single banner and malo was under a Tui'manu'a.
So is that a no or yes. How is Malietoa portrayed and perceived by the Average Samoan Joe... Or by the populous?

Tu'i Manu'a no longer exists and has no current chieftainship nor current title in today's Samoa. However Malietoa is a surviving title to this day...

So let's set this so called Tu'i Manu'a aside and get back to my question on this thread...

Would you consider Malietoa the highest ranking chief in Samoa, today???(after all, he was head of state)
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<quoted text>you say, "the majority of young Samoans don't have access to"? Please explain...
Who's to blame? Who's fault is it that these poor young Samoans have no access to their identity as Samoans. To be proud of your Samoan-ness, wouldn't it be fitting to first know how to speak Samoan as well as know its history? How can one represent, show allegiance to, and be patriotic of being Samoan if they themselves don't understand it?
Yet, they are very so willing to accept anything that belittles others and makes it like Samoa is superior in all stances and perspectives.. Such as the false rubbish that TOA spews in here?? All in the name of "I'm better than my fellow man"... C'mon fautaua, quit being so hypocritical and answer the question and thread at hand...
You're being defensive, irrational, and obviously still riled up from past posts...
BTW, never any arrogance on my part. Just fun and games. But very aware of Samoa's significance, ties, and important roles in the Tongan history itself. Malo
My remark was to the Second third fourth generations of samoans who are scattered within the four corners of the world, meaning no disrespect to those who have recently left for abroad. Thats when the game changed due to new things that now occupy their young minds now. What may have been priority, has taken back seat so to speak, and ur no exception to that statement.

Defensive yes, irrational Hell No!! with you? Im a logical person, If my head itches, im gonna scratch it, cant nobody do me better than me.

Arrogant as hell cause u think cause u can speak and grammarize the english language, it makes it ok for you to continue doing so? Stop me if im gettin close to reality King? Ive seen chumps like you get killed just cause you offended the other person, real talk King, and i mean nothin bad towards you, but i have and its sad for something so petty as talkin trash.

and for the record, we just conversating, not trying to show you up Uce.

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My remark was to the Second third fourth generations of samoans who are scattered within the four corners of the world, meaning no disrespect to those who have recently left for abroad. Thats when the game changed due to new things that now occupy their young minds now. What may have been priority, has taken back seat so to speak, and ur no exception to that statement.
Defensive yes, irrational Hell No!! with you? Im a logical person, If my head itches, im gonna scratch it, cant nobody do me better than me.
Arrogant as hell cause u think cause u can speak and grammarize the english language, it makes it ok for you to continue doing so? Stop me if im gettin close to reality King? Ive seen chumps like you get killed just cause you offended the other person, real talk King, and i mean nothin bad towards you, but i have and its sad for something so petty as talkin trash.
and for the record, we just conversating, not trying to show you up Uce.
Peace!
I was only interested in your takes as Samoans of what would you consider the highest ranking chief in Samoa. A current one that is... F Tu'i Manu'a noone really knows if he exists. At least we can all agree that Malietoa is REAL and has survived centuries old in its paramount chiefly status. It's all I'm asking...

I think you have misinterpreted my posts and replies for arrogance, which I hardly understand on how you would think that of me. When all I do, is try and defend the TRUTH for both Samoa and Tonga.

BTW, your replies are awesome, articulate, logical and very productive!! Unlike most of these SaHOMO chimps here, shooting blanks and that know nothing more than peeling a banana, LOL...

Now, you knew that was coming... LOL

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<quoted text>So is that a no or yes. How is Malietoa portrayed and perceived by the Average Samoan Joe... Or by the populous?
Tu'i Manu'a no longer exists and has no current chieftainship nor current title in today's Samoa. However Malietoa is a surviving title to this day...
So let's set this so called Tu'i Manu'a aside and get back to my question on this thread...
Would you consider Malietoa the highest ranking chief in Samoa, today???(after all, he was head of state)
In all honesty and you would understand. But we see malietoa and the Ao ole Malo, the same way the average tongan views the Tui'tonga.

His there and thats all that it is.

But certainly not the highest name in the chain of Titles, but certainly a prominent one.

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Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>you say, "the majority of young Samoans don't have access to"? Please explain...
Who's to blame? Who's fault is it that these poor young Samoans have no access to their identity as Samoans. To be proud of your Samoan-ness, wouldn't it be fitting to first know how to speak Samoan as well as know its history? How can one represent, show allegiance to, and be patriotic of being Samoan if they themselves don't understand it?
Yet, they are very so willing to accept anything that belittles others and makes it like Samoa is superior in all stances and perspectives.. Such as the false rubbish that TOA spews in here?? All in the name of "I'm better than my fellow man"... C'mon fautaua, quit being so hypocritical and answer the question and thread at hand...
You're being defensive, irrational, and obviously still riled up from past posts...
BTW, never any arrogance on my part. Just fun and games. But very aware of Samoa's significance, ties, and important roles in the Tongan history itself. Malo
Poly King

Interesting how you think all the things I say is rubbish when in fact everything I say is verified by various Tongan/Samoan Historians as well as Samoan and Tongan Royalty such as Salote Tupou etc..... etc.......

* Instead of embracing and trying to learn about the things I say you instead ignore it for you dont like what you hear everything I say is verified and addressed by many people who major in Polynesian History.
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<quoted text>I was only interested in your takes as Samoans of what would you consider the highest ranking chief in Samoa. A current one that is... F Tu'i Manu'a noone really knows if he exists. At least we can all agree that Malietoa is REAL and has survived centuries old in its paramount chiefly status. It's all I'm asking...
I think you have misinterpreted my posts and replies for arrogance, which I hardly understand on how you would think that of me. When all I do, is try and defend the TRUTH for both Samoa and Tonga.
BTW, your replies are awesome, articulate, logical and very productive!! Unlike most of these SaHOMO chimps here, shooting blanks and that know nothing more than peeling a banana, LOL...
Now, you knew that was coming... LOL
Well for the first part of ur question, you and i know very well that the answer was known by you all along, why you threw it out there, your motive wasnt genuine and it opened avenue's so you could ridicule somemore

Me saying that some our young's didnt have practical knowledge is a testament of those who are out and abroad who havent a clue of knowledge about the history, due to the generation gap along with little or no interest in ur question. They only Identify to culture with no understandin what so ever. who's to blame, noone, because there are more important things in life or the lack there of which would occupy the vacant. Am i right?

As far as some of the SAMOANS on here that you ridicule, "I FEEL YOU" and know exactly what you mean. But that doesnt excuse the fact that "ribbing" is a negative that can bring self esteem down and it also can bring out emotions of depression or maybe even lead to suicide.

And one more thing, SaHomo???? What the phuck is that? You got perpetrators on repeat and they probably have no clue what it is???

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Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
We must remember the type of status Polynesians kings had in the old days. They were Aitu, Gods amoung men and they were highly revered etc Tui'tonga, Makea or kamehameha.
What Malietoa did to become someone of nobility was he defeated not a "King" but a "God". Then you stake on the fact that his family was instumental in the Independence of Samoa, so Malietoa has earned his place.
But in my opinion, you are familiar with the history of samoa and the title of Tui'manua. That is the oldest title in Samoan history and to some is considered the highest. Just on the fact that, that the last time all of Samoa was under a single banner and malo was under a Tui'manu'a.
Malo Vasa

To answer Poly Kings question traditionally NO malietoa is not recognized as being the highest Chief in all Samoa for traditionally it is recognized that Tui Manu'a was the highest/most sacred Chief in all Samoa but this title Tui Manu'a doesnt exist anymore.

Pk

It is the same with Tonga the last Tui Tonga died in the late 1800's the current ruling line in Tonga are not from the Tui Tonga line instead they are from the Tui Kanokupolu line a younger line that originated in the 1600's.

* Malietoa may have the most influence in Samoa as of today but traditionally Tui Manu'a is recognized as the highest and most sacred. Same thing in Tonga Tui Kanokupolu may reign supreme in Tonga today but Tui Tongs is recognized as being the highest and most sacred.

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Aug 28, 2012
 
Poly,

I'm curious to know why you care in the first place. Obviously this doesn't affect you over there in San Francisco does it now? Why are you so fascinated with us? "I think you have misinterpreted my posts and replies for arrogance, which I hardly understand on how you would think that of me." LOL I actually laughed at this one.

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And don't get touchy Polo, you once asked Toa why he was so obsessed with Tongans. Same thing here really.

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Aug 28, 2012
 
On the topic though, I want to ask how sacred "Tu'i" actually is to each island that has this title (Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Wallis & Futuna). I just found out there was once a turtle in Tonga that was named Tu'i Malila. So can does that mean this title can be given to just about anyone?

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On the topic though, I want to ask how sacred "Tu'i" actually is to each island that has this title (Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Wallis & Futuna). I just found out there was once a turtle in Tonga that was named Tu'i Malila. So can does that mean this title can be given to just about anyone?
I know that the title "Tu'i or Tui" only ever existed in the Lau island chain but was not recognised or heard of in Fiji, as the main islands king was refered to as Cakobau. it leads me to believe that the first generations of Tui'fiti may have never been melanesian, as he is only recognized in the Polynesian confederacy.

But i know of the highest and most known "Tui" in our history is, Tui'lou muli. LOL
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I know that the title "Tu'i or Tui" only ever existed in the Lau island chain but was not recognised or heard of in Fiji, as the main islands king was refered to as Cakobau. it leads me to believe that the first generations of Tui'fiti may have never been melanesian, as he is only recognized in the Polynesian confederacy.
But i know of the highest and most known "Tui" in our history is, Tui'lou muli. LOL
Sole Vasa, ua e fa'alaveaiga fo'i si kama o Peace i le ga Tui, ua le koe umi ae respond mai Peace i lou fai mea valea!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha.......ao lau kemu Vasa.

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Sole Vasa, ua e fa'alaveaiga fo'i si kama o Peace i le ga Tui, ua le koe umi ae respond mai Peace i lou fai mea valea!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha.......ao lau kemu Vasa.
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I know that the title "Tu'i or Tui" only ever existed in the Lau island chain but was not recognised or heard of in Fiji, as the main islands king was refered to as Cakobau. it leads me to believe that the first generations of Tui'fiti may have never been melanesian, as he is only recognized in the Polynesian confederacy.
But i know of the highest and most known "Tui" in our history is, Tui'lou muli. LOL
rotfl hahahaha too funny!!!
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Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
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I know that the title "Tu'i or Tui" only ever existed in the Lau island chain but was not recognised or heard of in Fiji, as the main islands king was refered to as Cakobau. it leads me to believe that the first generations of Tui'fiti may have never been melanesian, as he is only recognized in the Polynesian confederacy.
But i know of the highest and most known "Tui" in our history is, Tui'lou muli. LOL
Fiji is made up of 9 kingdoms you work out that fact on of them kingdoms could be your fathers lamooo

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