LMS/Lotu Taiti/Lotu Toga/Lotu Pope

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Tama Autu

Sydney, Australia

#1 Aug 4, 2013
Malo soifua manuia,

Can anyone provide a detailed account from the establishment of Christianity in Samoa by John Williams; to the Christian body or church we know today as ‘EFKS’.
My understanding is that the first church in Samoa was the LMS establishment, then followed EFKS, lotu toga, lotu pope all around the same time.

Why so many denominations in such a short period?
Does LMS still exist? Are there still LMS congregations to date?

Fa’afetai
lotutoga

Australia

#2 Aug 5, 2013
My understanding is Lotu Toga was first introduced to Samoa,then LMS and the rest.

Fa'afetai
EFKS

Wellington, New Zealand

#3 Aug 6, 2013
The LMS and it's practises still exist, however they are now known as the EFKS/CCCS (Congregational Christian Church Samoa. The LMS is the same thing as EFKS.
EFKS

Wellington, New Zealand

#4 Aug 6, 2013
Tama Autu wrote:
Malo soifua manuia,
Can anyone provide a detailed account from the establishment of Christianity in Samoa by John Williams; to the Christian body or church we know today as ‘EFKS’.
My understanding is that the first church in Samoa was the LMS establishment, then followed EFKS, lotu toga, lotu pope all around the same time.
Why so many denominations in such a short period?
Does LMS still exist? Are there still LMS congregations to date?
Fa’afetai
LMS is the same thing as EFKS. They changed the name from LMS to EFKS somewhere in the 1950-1960's (not quite sure on the exact year).
Tama Autu

Sydney, Australia

#5 Aug 15, 2013
Here in Sydney we have a couple of EFKS churches, we also have a LMS congregation in a place called Macquarie Fields?? if they are the same thing then why then are there 2 x separate identities? What about EFKAS? is that another lala of EFKS or LMS?
Tama Autu

Sydney, Australia

#6 Aug 15, 2013
Where does Lotu pope fit in the history of Samoa?
Tama Autu

Sydney, Australia

#7 Aug 15, 2013
lotutoga wrote:
My understanding is Lotu Toga was first introduced to Samoa,then LMS and the rest.
Fa'afetai
Malo Lotu Toga, is it true that the founder of the mormon ministry, Joseph Smith was a Methodist? I heard a story that lotu mamona is lala of lotu toga?
Au Farasaio

Auckland, New Zealand

#8 Sep 3, 2013
EFKS - Ekalesia Faapotopotoga Kerisiano i Samoa

EFKAS - Ekalesia Faapotopotoga Kerisiano i Amerika Samoa

LMS - London Missionary Society

The LMS changed its name to the EFKS in 1962 to better reflect the Samoan setting of the church.

In 1981, most of the American Samoan au lotu (parishes) broke away from the Malua Fonotele (Malu Conference) to establish the EFKAS. Their annual conference is held at Kanana Fou Theological College in Tutuila. There is still one parish in American Samoa that still recognises the Malua Fono. Therefore the EFKS still has one au lotu in American Samoa.

The EFKS currently has over 300 au lotu in Samoa, American Samoa, New Zealand, and Australia, split into 17 districts (matagaluega) and 40+ sub-districts (pulega).

The EFKAS has a smaller number of au lotu spread over American Samoa, the United States, and New Zealand.
Au Farasaio

Auckland, New Zealand

#9 Sep 3, 2013
There have been a few au lotu (parishes) that have split off from the EFKS and have estalished their own independent church.

One such example is the EFKI (Congregational Christian Church of Jesus - Ekalesia Faapotopotoga Kerisiano o Iesu). There are also a few in Australia and New Zealand. These are independent Congregational Samoan churches and stand alone.

The main doctrine of the EFKS and offshoots is that the Church is a "Spiritual Republic unto itself". Therefore, they are fiercely independent, govern themselves, finance themselves, choose their own ministers, elect their own executive boards, and are generally accountable to themselves and their matafale.

They do not rely on a "mother church" for funding or governance with a few caveats:

1. All parishes who are a member of the Malua Conference must receive their ministers from Malua.

2. All parishes who are a member of the Kanana Fou Conference must recieve their ministers from Kanana Fou.

3. All parishes in the EFKS or EFKAS participate in pulega and on rare occasions, Matagaluega activities (eg: lotu aofai). They must also accept the overall doctrinal supervision of the Elder Minister of the Pulega (Faifeau Toeaina). This means that when ministers die in a parish, the Elder Minister liaises with the executive of that parish to organise the funeral of the deceased minster and oversee the election of the new minister. In internal parish disputes or if a parish has a dispute with its minister, the Elder Minister of that pulega must intervene and mediate a solution. If the parish wishes to terminate the services of its minister, the Elder Minister oversees the termination process (tatalaina o le feagaiga) and the election of a new minister.

4. The independent EFKS churches who have broken away do not have the supervision of the elder minister and do not receive their ministers from Malua. They govern themselves according to their own processes.
Fou Sagapolutele

Auckland, New Zealand

#10 Mar 16, 2014
The LMS (London Missionary Society) came to Samoa led by John Williams. The LMS Church has been on this earth for years however, they changed their name to EFKS (Ekalesia Fa'apotopotoga Kerisiano i Samoa) People often get confused on two things, if they are different church (which they are not) and are they break off from other churches. A lot of samoans had been strong members of this church (LMS) however, migrating to NZ, Sa avea le ekalesia PIPC or PIC (Pacific Island Church/Pacific Island Presbyterian Church.
And also, Joseph Smith was not a member of the Mormon Church in his earlier life, because he was the founder. therefore he was not BORN into the Lotu Mamona (Ekalesia a Iesu Keriso o le Au Paia o Aso e Gata ai)
Saualii

Illawong, Australia

#11 Mar 23, 2014
Methodist is not the same as Mormon, they are a very different religion. EFKS arrived first then followed by Lotu Toga then Pope. There is a Metotisi in Magquariefields and it's not a LMS
samonga

Australia

#12 Mar 23, 2014
Saualii wrote:
Methodist is not the same as Mormon, they are a very different religion. EFKS arrived first then followed by Lotu Toga then Pope. There is a Metotisi in Magquariefields and it's not a LMS
I heard Lotu Toga arrived first sent there by Taufa'asau and EFKS or LMS hasn't even landed in Samoa at that time haha yeah mormons are different, Methodist, Wesleyan,LMS,Lotu Toga etc all the same ...but Lotu Toga entered Samoa first!
Saualii

Illawong, Australia

#13 Mar 24, 2014
samonga wrote:
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I heard Lotu Toga arrived first sent there by Taufa'asau and EFKS or LMS hasn't even landed in Samoa at that time haha yeah mormons are different, Methodist, Wesleyan,LMS,Lotu Toga etc all the same ...but Lotu Toga entered Samoa first!
Samoan written history has EFKS as the first to come on land 1830, Methodist came 1828 but couldn't land due to civil unrest, went back to tonga. They tried later when John William landed at Sapapalii. I'm a Methodist by way so not being biased or anything.

One other story I heard was LMS was the society that sponsored the mission from London but John Wiliiams was an opportunist, and rather than saying he was Wesleyan, decided to tell the story the he was LMS when they were all the same.
samonga

Australia

#14 Mar 24, 2014
Saualii wrote:
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Samoan written history has EFKS as the first to come on land 1830, Methodist came 1828 but couldn't land due to civil unrest, went back to tonga. They tried later when John William landed at Sapapalii. I'm a Methodist by way so not being biased or anything.
One other story I heard was LMS was the society that sponsored the mission from London but John Wiliiams was an opportunist, and rather than saying he was Wesleyan, decided to tell the story the he was LMS when they were all the same.
My point is Lotu Toga arrived first and they did land! Even the locals didn't want outsiders like Tahitian teachers etc they clearly stated they wanted the Lotu Toga and preferred their Lotu as they are their closest blood in the Pacific,you heard of that story? Im not competing just stating the fact that Lotu Toga was the 1st to arrive in Samoa!Like i said before n I'll say again,they all the same but the Lotu Toga arrived first n they did land in Samoa...im sure most Samoans know what im talking about?
Saualii

Illawong, Australia

#15 Mar 24, 2014
samonga wrote:
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My point is Lotu Toga arrived first and they did land! Even the locals didn't want outsiders like Tahitian teachers etc they clearly stated they wanted the Lotu Toga and preferred their Lotu as they are their closest blood in the Pacific,you heard of that story? Im not competing just stating the fact that Lotu Toga was the 1st to arrive in Samoa!Like i said before n I'll say again,they all the same but the Lotu Toga arrived first n they did land in Samoa...im sure most Samoans know what im talking about?
USO I'm gona explain this to you again so you don't tell me stories. I'm a Samoan and I'm telling you that all the churches agreed to what I mentioned before. Stop telling and spreading you stories man, your just full of it. The Loku toga which I belong to landed I'm manono after the Loku taiti landed in Sapapalii. Please do not be an ignorant cos obviously who've gotten a clue bout what your arguing about. I'm sorry but we the Loku toga, Methodist came after the EFKS... Faafetai tele lava, ma lou faaaloalo soifua
samonga

Australia

#16 Mar 25, 2014
Saualii wrote:
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USO I'm gona explain this to you again so you don't tell me stories. I'm a Samoan and I'm telling you that all the churches agreed to what I mentioned before. Stop telling and spreading you stories man, your just full of it. The Loku toga which I belong to landed I'm manono after the Loku taiti landed in Sapapalii. Please do not be an ignorant cos obviously who've gotten a clue bout what your arguing about. I'm sorry but we the Loku toga, Methodist came after the EFKS... Faafetai tele lava, ma lou faaaloalo soifua
Se you clueless uso,the lotu toga arrived first n when the lotu taiti arrived in Samoa the locals refused it n said they only wanted lotu toga...they also sent word to Tonga to send them a Tongan teacher,they didnt wanna listen to a Tahitian...they clearly stated they will only listen to the lotu toga as they are their closest blood,relative,uso in the whole of Polynesia lmao so when the Taiti teacher was brought to Samoa,Samoans already practised lotu toga...they denied the Taiti teacher at first because they were already lotu toga hehehe e malamalama pe le ai??? You can go dig if you like,but my point is lotu toga was the first to set foot on Samoan soil... yeah,i know about the meeting in Manono...when chiefs from all over came to see Taufaasau about the lotu toga,but that was years later when lotu toga was already practiced by Samoans! Lotu toga got to Samoa before London missionary Society arrived mate,check on it! Check with your preacher man in lotu toga,if he doesn't know that...then he shouldn't be a Matai too hahaha

Since: Dec 13

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#17 Mar 25, 2014
Saualii wrote:
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USO I'm gona explain this to you again so you don't tell me stories. I'm a Samoan and I'm telling you that all the churches agreed to what I mentioned before. Stop telling and spreading you stories man, your just full of it. The Loku toga which I belong to landed I'm manono after the Loku taiti landed in Sapapalii. Please do not be an ignorant cos obviously who've gotten a clue bout what your arguing about. I'm sorry but we the Loku toga, Methodist came after the EFKS... Faafetai tele lava, ma lou faaaloalo soifua
Please just google Taufa'ahu Tupou and the lotu in Samoa

Click on Lagaga: A Short History of Western Samoa p.60-62, t history of t Lotu Toga in Samoa

1832 Lilomaiava, one of t alli'i paia, sacred chief of Samoa, had been in Tonga and had family connections there, so he turned to Tonga for teachers.

Just wanted to help my toko a bit, enjoy!!!

Since: Dec 13

Location hidden

#18 Mar 25, 2014
samonga wrote:
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Se you clueless uso,the lotu toga arrived first n when the lotu taiti arrived in Samoa the locals refused it n said they only wanted lotu toga...they also sent word to Tonga to send them a Tongan teacher,they didnt wanna listen to a Tahitian...they clearly stated they will only listen to the lotu toga as they are their closest blood,relative,uso in the whole of Polynesia lmao so when the Taiti teacher was brought to Samoa,Samoans already practised lotu toga...they denied the Taiti teacher at first because they were already lotu toga hehehe e malamalama pe le ai??? You can go dig if you like,but my point is lotu toga was the first to set foot on Samoan soil... yeah,i know about the meeting in Manono...when chiefs from all over came to see Taufaasau about the lotu toga,but that was years later when lotu toga was already practiced by Samoans! Lotu toga got to Samoa before London missionary Society arrived mate,check on it! Check with your preacher man in lotu toga,if he doesn't know that...then he shouldn't be a Matai too hahaha
T Tahitian teachers came in 1838 by than there were ten n thousands of members of t Lotu Toga!!!! Read t info ^^^^^^ l gave your USO, hey u were spot on this one....hihi..lol about time.
Mr T

Sydney, Australia

#19 May 16, 2014
A'e! e omai au tonga ma fiapopoto mai ae e sa'o le latou faamatalaga. Hahahaha
The first missionary to Samoa was Peter Turner from the Wesleyan est. The first ministry however was LMS. This period of heavy western influence in the South Pacific saw the division politically and religiously in Samoa. Ministries came to a treaty where LMS was to fully occupy Samoa (East and west). Methodist came back into the picture some years later in Manono where Tongans were visiting relatives, Malietoa kept the good news mainly in Sapapali'i and only offsetting it to close political ties, villages of Tumua and Pule in particular. Methodist was reintroduced in Samoa through Tamafaiga of Sapapalii who wanted to marry a second wife which was abolished by LMS for obvious reasons, he fled to Manono and saw the Tongans in Manono with their family practicing the Methodist way, Tamafaiga could well be the instigator of the Wesleyan movement in Samoa. I am EFKS hard so, not being biased here. O le mea sili ua o'o mai le tala lelei i Samoa. Tautua lelei i le ala o Iesu Keriso! Soifua
Mr T

Sydney, Australia

#20 May 16, 2014
Saualii wrote:
Methodist is not the same as Mormon, they are a very different religion. EFKS arrived first then followed by Lotu Toga then Pope. There is a Metotisi in Magquariefields and it's not a LMS
Malo le soifua maua Saualii, Malo le lagi mama!
Methodist is different Mormon agree there. I believe that Joseph Smith was from the Wesleyan movement. I suppose this is where the confusion lies. For the record, there is also a LMS church in Macquarie Fields o le faifeau ai Ioane. Lotu toga is seki my uso! I never complain re lotu taiti fa'alavelave because Lotu toga is hardcore compared. Lotu toga matua le muck around a man! Lol
Tautua lelei
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