O le Mavaega o Pili mai Manu'a

[Taupoimasina]

Yama faleasao wrote:

Get ur stories right before u post them 4 the world 2 see!! O kala samoa e amata I Manua ae faaiu I Savai'i. O kala faamanua e nofo I Manua,meaning only between people from Manua! Learn ur history before u post anything regarding Manua. That's why they call it the Motu Sa!! U must be from upolu lookin 2 change stories huh?! Tama upolu e le valea foi nei fanau. Hope I enlightened u since ur lost w/faasamoa. Keep trying... But know that samoa only had one king,"TuiManua"!! And there'll never be another...recognize!!

Sole Yama...o la'u tala se ia te oe lol
O le 'a amata fo'i ona foli mai ou moto ae o lea fa'ato'a amata le Tausaga Fou hehehe
OKAY...SERIOUSLY Yama, did you start your New Year on a bad note?
There is an ongoing discussion here and what we would like to continue as a healthy non-agressive sharing of ideas,thoughts and the like.There is no need to be insulting or confrontational towards brother Tama Upolu.

Fa'amolemole lava Yama, ki i lalo le leo o lou la'au-leitio, aua ua fai sina static ma gegefu fa'asolo'atoa o lou channel. E le 'o fesiligia lava e seisi le mamalu ma tulaga ma'oti a Manu'a i tala tofi o le atunuu...Atu Samoa'atoa. O lo 'o afio ma fa'amaepaepa lava le Tagaloalagi i lona nofoaga mamalu ma pa'ia ...i le Mauga O
Ao.
Hope the rest of your new year is/gets better.

[Taupoimasina]

tama upolu wrote:

moon and proud....come in over..lol..e iai lau fesili lea e fia fai atu...ole Tuifiti o ia ose samoa...i believe the Tuifiti ole samoa...not a fijian from africa. can you girls help me out.

TU what convinces you that the Tuifiti is samoan and not fijian? I think it depends, because there may be those Tuifiti that were just fijian, samoan fijian, tongan fijian, or lo and behold all three... lol

[terry tavita]

you know there's a popular belief that Taema and Tilafaiga never went to Fiji but brought the ato au from Manua..probably Fitiuta..who knows perhaps Fiti is an ancient name for Manu'a..perhaps the Tuifiti is really the Tuimanu'a..but it makes sense, o aku a i Savaii, o i Upolu, kaugu'u i Kukuila kei a lea ua o mamao i Fiki (Fiji)?..but some historian has to write a thesis about it..

there, my lua sene

[tamasamoamoni]

The ato au came from Fiji, just like the ava. As the song goes, "O LE MALAGA A TEINE TO'ALUA NA FE'AUSI MAI FITI ILE VASALALOA" Vasalaloa is the great wide ocean, and Manu'a is like a next door neighbor. Also, why didn't they just say that it came from Manu'a, or Fitiuta?

[terry tavita]

tamasamoamoni wrote:

The ato au came from Fiji, just like the ava. As the song goes, "O LE MALAGA A TEINE TO'ALUA NA FE'AUSI MAI FITI ILE VASALALOA" Vasalaloa is the great wide ocean, and Manu'a is like a next door neighbor. Also, why didn't they just say that it came from Manu'a, or Fitiuta?

that song is a recent invention..probably early 20th century..but the story, the titles and the the name places are well known..places like fagaiofu and matafa'a and titles like leiato in fagaitua and mauga in pago pago came about from these two..
again it's just speculation..leai seisi o tatou na iai i lea vaitaimi..again, a brilliant historian has to write a research about it..

[tamasamoamoni]

The song comes from ancient legends past down from generation to generation and is widely accepted as correct, so it is not just speculation. Sure there are alot more stories about these two twins in the history of ancient samoa, but like the song goes on to say, "taunuu i gatai o Falealupo, is one of the pine faamau. You can even trace how the ato au came into the possesion of the Su'a family, they were the only ones that granted beutiful hospitality where as others disdained the girls and shunned them away, which is how the girls repayed the Su'a family for their kindness. And one more thing that we got from Fiji besides the tatau and the ava is CANIBALISM!

[terry tavita]

of course, all that is true..i was never contesting the stories the song conveys..just speculating that just maybe there's a possibility that the Fiti referred to is not Fiji as we know today but Fitiuta in Manu'a, as some tend to believe..
anyway, made some enquiries and the song is not ancient, it was coined by the Samoa Teachers College in the 1960s..the third verse goes, "Atunuu uma o le Pasefika, e sili Samoa i le tautaua.."
Pasefika is a palagi term..

[Proud]

E o mai i Fitiuta i Manu'a...lol.

[4salele boyz]

Fa'afetai i manatu ma finagalo fa'alia sa ou faitauina i luga o nei imeli o feso'otaiga.
E leai o lea ua logo fa'atutila le maimoa ma le silasila a le tatou atunu'u i taofi ma finagalo sa outou ta'ua. A'o le fesili a si taule'ale'a lea mai i Tumua (UPOLU) e uiga i papa ma tofiga o malo o le gafa o PILI, ia e leai se masalosalo ua iloga ona itu ese'ese i talitonuga ua folasia. Ae fa'apea le manatu, e sa'o o le Tuamasaga ma le Tuia'ana sa tofia e PILI. Ina ua fa'ae'e le gafa o le usuga a Pili i le teine e igoa ia Sinaletava'e ona la fanaua lea O tama e to'alua o TUA ma ANA. O tama la'ia e to'alua o le masaga. Ona fanau la'ia o le tama lona tolu, ona fa'aigoa lea e Pili ia TUAMASAGA ona o le la masaga tama sa fanau o TUA ma ANA. A'o le ui'i o le fanauga o TOLUFALE, ona sa fa'atatau i le latou tina o Sina sa feavea'i i lea fale ma lea fale a'o le'i fanau mai. Ina ua silafia e le toeaina o Pili ua pulepule lagoto lona soifua, ona ia amia ai lea o lana fanau. E fa'apenei la le taofi e uiga i mavaega a Pili sa fai i lana Fanau: Sa tofi e Pili lona atali'i matua e pule i ATUA i le itu sasa'e o Upolu, ona ave ai lea e le toeaina le tofi o le OSO e fai ma ona pine fa'amau aua lana galuega. Ona a'ami lea e le toeaina ia Ana e pule i A'ANA i le itu sisifo o Upolu ona ave ai lea e le toeaina le tao ma le uatogi e fai ma ona pine fa'amau ina ia avea le itumalo o A'ANA ma itumalo o tagata toa. A'o le tama lona tolu o TUAMASAGA sa fai ia le toeaina o Pili e nofo i le ogatotonu o upolu i le va o ona uso o TUA ma ANA. Ona ave ai lea e le toeaina le tofi o le FUE ma le TO'OTO'O e fai ma pine ma fa'amau o le FAILAUGA. A'o le ui'i o Tolufale, sa fai iai le toeaina e alu e nofo i Manono e nate matamata mai i Upolu, ona sa le mautu iai se tofi a le Toeaina..........O le usuga la a Tolufale i le alo o UTU ma AGI i manono fa'ae'e le gagfa maua
to be continue, I have to go to work!!
Manuia le Aso!!

[TOA]

terry tavita wrote:

you know there's a popular belief that Taema and Tilafaiga never went to Fiji but brought the ato au from Manua..probably Fitiuta..who knows perhaps Fiti is an ancient name for Manu'a..perhaps the Tuifiti is really the Tuimanu'a..but it makes sense, o aku a i Savaii, o i Upolu, kaugu'u i Kukuila kei a lea ua o mamao i Fiki (Fiji)?..but some historian has to write a thesis about it..
there, my lua sene

You may be right for it is said Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa's sister married a Tui Fiti. An altercation between Tui Fiti and his wife (Tae O Tagaloa's sister) took place in which Tae O Tagaloa sailed to Fiji when he returned to Manu'a he renamed the village of Aga'e to Fitiuta.

[tamasamoamoni]

Come on folks, the ato 'au came from Fiti, and thats FIJI. If it came from Fitiuta, they would have just said Fitiuta, its only three more alphabets. Remember, the Ava and canibalism also came from Fiji.

[Vaovasa o le Aoauli]

Fiti-i-uta & Fiti-i-tai, Aga'e & Maia, Usoali'i & Saua, etc. O Fiti-tai ua fa'aigoa nei o le Faga (heavy a). The whole area was known as Fiti. Fiji is known as Viti. Big difference guys. Fiti & Viti. Taema & Tilafaiga are daughters of a Tuimanu'a. O le tatau, o le manifi o tamali'i sa fa'asoa na'o tamali'i, i le fa'atapula'a o le paepae valu i aga o le fafa la'ititi ei luga ifo o Aga'e. E muamua tau iai ae le'i o'o i le fafa tele. E sa'o Tevita. O le ato au na gaoia mai i Fiti, Manu'a, ae le'o Viti (Fiji). A e malamalama i mamagu o le laei, o na e iloa lea. O le fa'alavelave fo'i, na'o se tagata ua laei e malamalama ai. O mai i le mea e taua o le Aoauli, o lo'o iai le Pa-le-so'o, a le tama o a'u nei - Vaovasa. Soifua.

[Taupoimasina]

O le igoa o le vaimea lea e ta'u o Fitiuta sa ta'ua o Aga'euta ma Aga'etai. Na sui le igoa 'ina ua toe fo'i mai Taeotagaloa...mai Fiti...Viti....Fiji.(Samoans do not call Fiji...Viti, they say FITI.) O Taeotagaloa na folau i Fiti, ina ua 'i'ite, ua iloa e ia, ua agaleagaina lona tuafafine 'o Muiu'uleapai ma si ana tama...'o Leataata'ofiti, e le Tuifiti. Ua tuli i gauta o le vao, aua ua oge Fiti i lea taimi, ma ua magugu ma feavea'i tala o tagata Fiti, ma tua'i le oge ia Muiu'uleapai.

'Ina ua taunu'u atu Taeotagaloa, ua na ia amataina se fa'ato'aga tele lava, ua toto a'i uma mea e ona taumafa ai lona tuafafine ma si ana tama...mo i latou to'atolu...nei. O le ulu lava na fa'apelepele ma tausi iai aua ua tonu o le a tu'u lea e momolita'i ai se ta'ita'i mo le Tuifiti. O lea na alu ai Leataata'ofiti e ave le umu/ato ulu tao i le Tuifiti. Ua i'u ai ona fa'apea le Tuifiti e toe fa'alelei ma lona toa'alu ma si ona atali'i.

Ina ua toe fo'i Taeotagaloa i Manu'a, ua na ia toe fa'aigoa Aga'euta...."Liu Fiti i uta"...Fiti'iuta..FITIUTA .

[amomua]

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Come on folks, the ato 'au came from Fiti, and thats FIJI. If it came from Fitiuta, they would have just said Fitiuta, its only three more alphabets. Remember, the Ava and canibalism also came from Fiji.

o sina fesoasoani o le tatau fai mai le mau ole mea totino lava a samoa na tutupu ae ma latou. Lua o le isi mau fai mai o Fiti i Manua lana o samoa i tutoatasai e iai isi taimi e le manino ai le tauga o upu ia pei la o le lenei a tau e samoa tutoatasi le measina poo le toga e faapea "ole ietoga" lea e mafua ai ona faapea le toatele ole ie mai toga ae leai ae a tau e tutuila ma manua le measina o lenei "ole ietooga" e manino lelei ona e iai lona mafuaaga. O le isi taimi o upu a toeaiina e fenanatai pe femateai foi pei o lenei "o lea ua i falena le matega" a vaai ile upu falena e foliga e faigata ae leai. O le upu fale ae o lea ua tau falena ua matua foi o aganuu lana lea a tatou e faipalo fenanatai upu pe femateai foi upu.
O upu sao la ole tatau e mai Fitiuta ae leo fiti afai e le faamlieina ona silasila laia i tamaitai Fiji pe tata o latou tino mai lava i ogavae e faasolo mai i tulivae o iina e atou e maua ai sina malamalamaaga ile mea na sau ai le tatau
faafetai lava manuia le aso

[tamasamoamoni]

amomua wrote:

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o sina fesoasoani o le tatau fai mai le mau ole mea totino lava a samoa na tutupu ae ma latou. Lua o le isi mau fai mai o Fiti i Manua lana o samoa i tutoatasai e iai isi taimi e le manino ai le tauga o upu ia pei la o le lenei a tau e samoa tutoatasi le measina poo le toga e faapea "ole ietoga" lea e mafua ai ona faapea le toatele ole ie mai toga ae leai ae a tau e tutuila ma manua le measina o lenei "ole ietooga" e manino lelei ona e iai lona mafuaaga. O le isi taimi o upu a toeaiina e fenanatai pe femateai foi pei o lenei "o lea ua i falena le matega" a vaai ile upu falena e foliga e faigata ae leai. O le upu fale ae o lea ua tau falena ua matua foi o aganuu lana lea a tatou e faipalo fenanatai upu pe femateai foi upu.
O upu sao la ole tatau e mai Fitiuta ae leo fiti afai e le faamlieina ona silasila laia i tamaitai Fiji pe tata o latou tino mai lava i ogavae e faasolo mai i tulivae o iina e atou e maua ai sina malamalamaaga ile mea na sau ai le tatau
faafetai lava manuia le aso

E eseese taofi a le atunuu; ae fai mai upu a le pese ole tatau, "LE MAFUAAGA LENEI NA ILOA, O LE TAGA LE TATAU I SAMOA, O LE MALAGA A TEINE TO'ALUA, NA FEAUSI MAI FITI I LE VASALOLOA". O le taga a tatau i samoa na amata ile aumaiga o le ato 'au mai Fiti e Taema ma Tilafaiga. Ana aumai mai Fitiuta, e le tatau la ona faapea upu a le pese, aua o Fitiuta, o samoa lava. Ma o leisi mea, o le vasaloloa, o le mamao ma le lautele o le sami, a o Fitiuta e latalata, o samoa lava.

[tompingpong]

Taupoimasina wrote:

O le igoa o le vaimea lea e ta'u o Fitiuta sa ta'ua o Aga'euta ma Aga'etai. Na sui le igoa 'ina ua toe fo'i mai Taeotagaloa...mai Fiti...Viti....Fiji.(Samoans do not call Fiji...Viti, they say FITI.) O Taeotagaloa na folau i Fiti, ina ua 'i'ite, ua iloa e ia, ua agaleagaina lona tuafafine 'o Muiu'uleapai ma si ana tama...'o Leataata'ofiti, e le Tuifiti. Ua tuli i gauta o le vao, aua ua oge Fiti i lea taimi, ma ua magugu ma feavea'i tala o tagata Fiti, ma tua'i le oge ia Muiu'uleapai.
'Ina ua taunu'u atu Taeotagaloa, ua na ia amataina se fa'ato'aga tele lava, ua toto a'i uma mea e ona taumafa ai lona tuafafine ma si ana tama...mo i latou to'atolu...nei. O le ulu lava na fa'apelepele ma tausi iai aua ua tonu o le a tu'u lea e momolita'i ai se ta'ita'i mo le Tuifiti. O lea na alu ai Leataata'ofiti e ave le umu/ato ulu tao i le Tuifiti. Ua i'u ai ona fa'apea le Tuifiti e toe fa'alelei ma lona toa'alu ma si ona atali'i.
Ina ua toe fo'i Taeotagaloa i Manu'a, ua na ia toe fa'aigoa Aga'euta...."Liu Fiti i uta"...Fiti'iuta..FITIUTA .

yes fiti my fked all monkeys like you along with tonga hahahahaha

[Poly KING]

tompingpong wrote:

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yes fiti my fked all monkeys like you along with tonga hahahahaha

lmao hahaha ... Wassup tompingpong... These Samoans really want to be Maori or Tahitian... But the pretty Polynesians laugh at them. fat wobbly choco-doodles... lmao hahaha

[tamasamoamoni]

Poly KING wrote:

<quoted text>lmao hahaha ... Wassup tompingpong... These Samoans really want to be Maori or Tahitian... But the pretty Polynesians laugh at them. fat wobbly choco-doodles... lmao hahaha

There you go again, only dumb, stupid, and ignorant comments, from your brainless head! EVERYONE KNOW THAT ALL THE POLYNESIAN ISLANDS ARE CONNECTED THROUGH MARRIAGES, TRADE, HISTORY AND SO FORTH. But for you and your dumb PINGPONG cockroach cousin, you donkeys only talk crap, and NO POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE FORUM!

[tompingpong]

Poly KING wrote:

<quoted text>lmao hahaha ... Wassup tompingpong... These Samoans really want to be Maori or Tahitian... But the pretty Polynesians laugh at them. fat wobbly choco-doodles... lmao hahaha

its fiti this and Tonga this their just slaves we ruled i understand its part of their culture to talk about so called history of their version.

[tompingpong]

Poly KING wrote:

<quoted text>lmao hahaha ... Wassup tompingpong... These Samoans really want to be Maori or Tahitian... But the pretty Polynesians laugh at them. fat wobbly choco-doodles... lmao hahaha

ill be honest toko you Tongan sure did a better job then tui viti after we passed on power hahahaahah for 400 years until the white fella came and got us fijian and Tongan kicked out of SAMOAAAAAAA lamoooooo.