TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#274 Oct 1, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>false again. Kie Haamoa is the ugly mats that Tongans wear in their mourning period of a loved one. Kia Haamoa is put away somewhere in a closet or whatever and brought out to be used in tatters to a funeral of a loved one. that's all it's good for. Kie tonga is used for all noble, ceremonial, and any significant occasion because it is the highest prized mat.
As for Kie Hingoa, everyone in Tonga wears it, only to special occasions. There is no such thing as a mat where commoners can't sport that only Monarchy can. However there are some special Kie Haamoa with some sorta significance that the Royal Household have kept for generations. Nothing more...
POLY KING

You and Ukamea seem to be a bit confused in matters dealing with your ROYAL FAMILY maybe due to the fact that Royals and Commoners in Tonga never mixed hence commoners of Tonga seem to always have to play that guessing game when it comes to there Royal Family.

Just to show how lost and confused you really are:

You Stated: Kie Hingoa, everyone in Tonga wears it. Kie Haamoa is put somewhere in the closet. Kie Tonga is used for all noble, ceremonial, significant occasion etc... etc... etc....

1) Hon. Frederica Tuita Diary (Tongan Royal Family Member):

* It was Monday, the day before his arrival and the Queen had given specific instructions as to how all would transpire for the Kings arrival. Certain people were given places to sit in the palace and responsibilities to guard priceless Kie Hingoa [Samoan Fine Mats] that were hundreds of years old to be place on his majesty upon opening his casket. As strong as she could be during this time, the dreaded knowledge of knowing this would be the last time any of us would ever see him again lingered throughout the palace. There was a look in her eyes that some of us resembled of “how will we react and cope with seeing him?” As the night the news came that he had passed away, my sister Hon. Lupepau’u and I set our emotions aside and continued to press forward never leaving the Queens side.

2) KIE HINGOA:

Kie Hingoa/Haamoa were treasured/Royal Mats in Tonga and only the Royal Family wore these mats for special ceremonies such as weddings, Funerals etc.... It is said many of the Kie Haamoa or Kie Hingoa are connected to the Tui Kanokupolu Dynasty a dynasty referred to by Queen Salote Tupou as being a SAMOAN Dynasty.

Kie Hingoa/Haamoa are the material, mystical manifestation of past events and genealogies, which can be remembered, forgotten, or adapted to the current situation. Kie haamoa activate genealogical relationships and cultural memory.

3) Kie Haamoa and Kie Hingoa are one in the same. Kie Hingoa means named Fine Mat. Named Fine mats are all associated with Samoa for it is a Samoan Custom to name a Fine Mat and present it for special occasions and ceremonies etc.....

“MASINA”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#275 Oct 1, 2012
Soraia wrote:
Don't Tongans call the same Fine Mat as "Ie Samoa"?
True that.
They sure do....Kie Ha'amoa

Since: May 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#276 Oct 2, 2012
Toa how am i confuse? Kie Hingoa is Kies that are purposely made for occasions and ceremonies.Kie Hingoa means a mat with a name, which also include Kie Tongas not just the kie ha'amoa, who are yo trying to kid? a Kid?.....

Since: May 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#277 Oct 2, 2012
Im not gonna bother putting down the list of Kie Hingoas that are Kie Tonga.........

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#278 Oct 2, 2012
Ukamea wrote:
Toa how am i confuse? Kie Hingoa is Kies that are purposely made for occasions and ceremonies.Kie Hingoa means a mat with a name, which also include Kie Tongas not just the kie ha'amoa, who are yo trying to kid? a Kid?.....
Ukamea

The whole custom of Kie Hingoa is yet another influence from Samoa via Tui Kanokupolu etc... Even Tongan Royals themselves identify Kie Hingoa as Samoan Mats. The last Kie Hingoa Samoan Mat taken to tonga as a gift was during byron Vaea's Funeral I think thats his name. The current head of state of Samoa presented to them a Kie/Ie called Loi Mata O Tui Atua which means the tears of Tui Atua again it is a Samoan Custom to name Fine Mats etc for special occasions, ceremonies etc......

Ukamea why is it commoners of Tonga seem to have a different story then there own Rulers?
tamasamoamoni

Honolulu, HI

#279 Oct 2, 2012
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Ukamea
The whole custom of Kie Hingoa is yet another influence from Samoa via Tui Kanokupolu etc... Even Tongan Royals themselves identify Kie Hingoa as Samoan Mats. The last Kie Hingoa Samoan Mat taken to tonga as a gift was during byron Vaea's Funeral I think thats his name. The current head of state of Samoa presented to them a Kie/Ie called Loi Mata O Tui Atua which means the tears of Tui Atua again it is a Samoan Custom to name Fine Mats etc for special occasions, ceremonies etc......
Ukamea why is it commoners of Tonga seem to have a different story then there own Rulers?
THERE IS NO SUCH IE CALLED LOI MATA O TUI ATUA!

Since: May 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#280 Oct 2, 2012
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Ukamea
The whole custom of Kie Hingoa is yet another influence from Samoa via Tui Kanokupolu etc... Even Tongan Royals themselves identify Kie Hingoa as Samoan Mats. The last Kie Hingoa Samoan Mat taken to tonga as a gift was during byron Vaea's Funeral I think thats his name. The current head of state of Samoa presented to them a Kie/Ie called Loi Mata O Tui Atua which means the tears of Tui Atua again it is a Samoan Custom to name Fine Mats etc for special occasions, ceremonies etc......
Ukamea why is it commoners of Tonga seem to have a different story then there own Rulers?
oh so just because fred said so than thats that? Only followers would believe such things... and it wasn't byron, it was baron as in title Baron. your such a sycophant...samoan customs? we have Kie Tongas over 300years old? or more. we had in our possession a finemat named Fe'aomoengalu = escort with the waves. but then its long gone I was only little then didn't really care about it...

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#281 Oct 2, 2012
tamasamoamoni wrote:
<quoted text>THERE IS NO SUCH IE CALLED LOI MATA O TUI ATUA!
I really hope this isnt the real Tamasamoamoni. During Vaea's funeral in Tonga Tui Atua presented a Ie called Loi Mata O Tui Atua there are various articles about it from Samoa observor and matangi tonga even on the Samoa Head Of States Website he addresses the Ie Loi Mata O Tui Atua.

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#282 Oct 2, 2012
Ukamea wrote:
<quoted text>oh so just because fred said so than thats that? Only followers would believe such things... and it wasn't byron, it was baron as in title Baron. your such a sycophant...samoan customs? we have Kie Tongas over 300years old? or more. we had in our possession a finemat named Fe'aomoengalu = escort with the waves. but then its long gone I was only little then didn't really care about it...
Ukamea

So are you denying the knowledge of your own rulers and Historians? The thing about you ukamea is you love to make up your own version of History the problem with that is it does not match any writings of Tongan Royals or Tongan Historians.
tamasamoamoni

Honolulu, HI

#283 Oct 2, 2012
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
I really hope this isnt the real Tamasamoamoni. During Vaea's funeral in Tonga Tui Atua presented a Ie called Loi Mata O Tui Atua there are various articles about it from Samoa observor and matangi tonga even on the Samoa Head Of States Website he addresses the Ie Loi Mata O Tui Atua.
OK, I stand corrected, I have almost all the names of the important ie toga and I don't have that one, thanks!

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#284 Oct 3, 2012
tamasamoamoni wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I stand corrected, I have almost all the names of the important ie toga and I don't have that one, thanks!
Tamasamoamoni

Malo lava uso you probably werent aware of it for it is a more recent named Mat. I am trying to explain to Ukamea that the whole naming of mats is a Samoan Custom adopted by Tonga through the Tui Kanokupolu line etc.....

* The current rulers of Tonga (Tui Kanokupolu) possess various Kie Hingoa (Samoan Mats) which they honor, treasure and wear for special the most special occasions, ceremonies etc....

* Not just anyone can name a Fine Mat mostly only Samoan Chiefs name Fine Mats hence the more prestigious and special the Mat becomes. Various named Mats of Samoan Chiefs are worn etc by Tongan Royals mats that were named by powerful Chiefs such as:

* Tui Atua
* Tui Manu'a
* Tui A'ana
* Malietoa
* Tupu Tafa'ifa Fonoti

Etc.... etc..... etc......

Since: May 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#285 Oct 3, 2012
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Ukamea
So are you denying the knowledge of your own rulers and Historians? The thing about you ukamea is you love to make up your own version of History the problem with that is it does not match any writings of Tongan Royals or Tongan Historians.
obviously i am and i don't give a tiko lmao..... Im only given you guys my version

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#286 Oct 3, 2012
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Tamasamoamoni
Malo lava uso you probably werent aware of it for it is a more recent named Mat. I am trying to explain to Ukamea that the whole naming of mats is a Samoan Custom adopted by Tonga through the Tui Kanokupolu line etc.....
* The current rulers of Tonga (Tui Kanokupolu) possess various Kie Hingoa (Samoan Mats) which they honor, treasure and wear for special the most special occasions, ceremonies etc....
* Not just anyone can name a Fine Mat mostly only Samoan Chiefs name Fine Mats hence the more prestigious and special the Mat becomes. Various named Mats of Samoan Chiefs are worn etc by Tongan Royals mats that were named by powerful Chiefs such as:
* Tui Atua
* Tui Manu'a
* Tui A'ana
* Malietoa
* Tupu Tafa'ifa Fonoti
Etc.... etc..... etc......
This is also why Kie Hingoa (Samoan Mats) in Tonga are Royal Mats for these mats are not just your typical Samoan Fine Mats but Named Mats associated with Samoan Royalty etc......

Since: May 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#287 Oct 3, 2012
Our fine mats goes back to the Tu'i Tonga linage even samoan history says so.......

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#288 Oct 3, 2012
Ukamea wrote:
Our fine mats goes back to the Tu'i Tonga linage even samoan history says so.......
Ukamea

Your still ignoring the obvious. The most ancient named Mats of the Tui Tonga line are also associated with Samoa.

* Hau O Momo (Samoan Mat)- Kie Hingoa
* Laumata O Fainga'a (Samoan Mat)- Kie Hingoa

Like I stated before Named Mats are associated with Samoa for it a Samoan custom to name Mats for special occasions, ceremonies and so forth.

* Both the Tui Tonga Line and Tui Kanokupolu line have roots in Samoa hence the various Samoan customs adopted by Tonga etc.....

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#289 Oct 3, 2012
tamasamoamoni wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I stand corrected, I have almost all the names of the important ie toga and I don't have that one, thanks!
are you sure, you stand corrected and have verified that what TOA is saying ain't one of his many fairytales made up bullshiett??? or are you just scared that TOA may counter you? such a typical Samoan fafa, pushover'ish and very gay... stand up if you feel he's wrong... smmfh...

weak azz SaHOMOz... lol

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#290 Oct 3, 2012
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Ukamea
Your still ignoring the obvious. The most ancient named Mats of the Tui Tonga line are also associated with Samoa.
* Hau O Momo (Samoan Mat)- Kie Hingoa
* Laumata O Fainga'a (Samoan Mat)- Kie Hingoa
Like I stated before Named Mats are associated with Samoa for it a Samoan custom to name Mats for special occasions, ceremonies and so forth.
* Both the Tui Tonga Line and Tui Kanokupolu line have roots in Samoa hence the various Samoan customs adopted by Tonga etc.....
lol@the names of these silly azz mats. quit it already TOA... hahaha

You really love talking about mats and girly possessions, for a guy that's married.. lmao suspect???

Since: May 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#291 Oct 3, 2012
Those were tribute mats, thanks for acknowledging........

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#292 Oct 3, 2012
I prefer Chinese mats. They are cheaper, look nicer, and much more durable...

fcuk the mats. TOA loves talking about mats.. LOL
tamasamoamoni

Honolulu, HI

#293 Oct 3, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>are you sure, you stand corrected and have verified that what TOA is saying ain't one of his many fairytales made up bullshiett??? or are you just scared that TOA may counter you? such a typical Samoan fafa, pushover'ish and very gay... stand up if you feel he's wrong... smmfh...
weak azz SaHOMOz... lol
You are so ignorant and always talking stupid, and it goes to show that you are just plain dumb. Toa said it was in the Samoa Observer, so I believe him. Also, he's probably right that this ie is a more recently named ie and thats why I've never heard of it. But you are always shooting your dumb stink mouth off, and you have no intelligent thing to say, so if you don't have any facts, just shut up because you are just getting more dumb by the minute!

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