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#41 May 5, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the problem here... People claiming Fijian culture as their own! Before I answer your questions, answer my ones first!
Why isn't there a Tui in Cook Islands, Rapanui, Tahiti, Hawaii?
Tui is a Fijian word!
What does Tui mean in Samoa?
Tui means stab a uli lol
Sasa

Australia

#42 May 5, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the problem here... People claiming Fijian culture as their own! Before I answer your questions, answer my ones first!
Why isn't there a Tui in Cook Islands, Rapanui, Tahiti, Hawaii?
Tui is a Fijian word!
What does Tui mean in Samoa?
yes son u correct tui is a fiti word .....tui is short for tuiweak, given to us by our indian superiors, please carry on scrubbing the toilets , enough black eyes and broken limbs , we gotta respect our new masters by keeping our head down and mouth shut lol

Since: Apr 12

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#43 May 5, 2013
Don't trust anyone you can blind fold with a shoe lace... Ya Pilipino lol
Sasa

Australia

#44 May 5, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
Don't trust anyone you can blind fold with a shoe lace... Ya Pilipino lol
hahaha.....sole o le shoe lace tautau mai le muli po lou isu lol

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#45 May 5, 2013
Sasa wrote:
<quoted text> hahaha.....sole o le shoe lace tautau mai le muli po lou isu lol
Aikae lol you can still tie it around your face hahaha you can eat them if you want, I can get some more

Since: Feb 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#46 May 7, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the problem here... People claiming Fijian culture as their own! Before I answer your questions, answer my ones first!
Why isn't there a Tui in Cook Islands, Rapanui, Tahiti, Hawaii?
Tui is a Fijian word!
What does Tui mean in Samoa?
"Why isn't there a Tui in Cook Islands, Rapanui, Tahiti, Hawaii?"

Thats because Western Poynesia (Samoa, Tonga,'Uvea, Futuna, Niue etc.) and Eastern Polynesia (Cook Islands, Tahiti, Hawai'y, Aoteroa etc.) have always been different. Contact between East and West was minimal compared with contact with eachother. Why else do you think that there is no hula in Samoa or Tonga or Niue?? But the differences are obviously much deeper than that. Just look at the languages - a Maori and a Cook Islander can both understand eachother almost perfectly when speaking in their respective tongues. When Euopeans arrived in Rapanui, they brought a Tahitian along to help translate. If they had brung a Samoan or Tongan they would've gotten nowhere. Same thing culture-wise.

Since: Feb 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#47 May 7, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the problem here... People claiming Fijian culture as their own! Before I answer your questions, answer my ones first!
Why isn't there a Tui in Cook Islands, Rapanui, Tahiti, Hawaii?
Tui is a Fijian word!
What does Tui mean in Samoa?
"That's the problem here... People claiming Fijian culture as their own!"

Who said I was claiming Fijian culture?? The only one doing the claiming here is you.

"Tui is a Fijian word!"

Notice how you don't have any evidence to back yourself up yet I do?? That fact alone speaks for itself LOL...

http://books.google.co.nz/books...
"Segal links the lingustics of Kosrae to those of Polynesia... Like Tonga and other western Polynesian islands, Kosrae uses the prefix To or Tui before the island name to indicate the paramount chief... Therefore the title of king on Kosrae appears to be a POLYNESIAN title."

Don't worry, it does mention Fiji too...

"Linguistically the people of Kosrae, even more than those of Pohnpaei, are shown to be related to the inhabitants of islands to the south such as Fiji and Tonga. In ancient times Fiji was a Polynesian island, but it had slowly been taken over by Melanesians."

LMAO Read it and weep...
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#48 May 8, 2013
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
<quoted text>
"That's the problem here... People claiming Fijian culture as their own!"
Who said I was claiming Fijian culture?? The only one doing the claiming here is you.
"Tui is a Fijian word!"
Notice how you don't have any evidence to back yourself up yet I do?? That fact alone speaks for itself LOL...
http://books.google.co.nz/books...
"Segal links the lingustics of Kosrae to those of Polynesia... Like Tonga and other western Polynesian islands, Kosrae uses the prefix To or Tui before the island name to indicate the paramount chief... Therefore the title of king on Kosrae appears to be a POLYNESIAN title."
Don't worry, it does mention Fiji too...
"Linguistically the people of Kosrae, even more than those of Pohnpaei, are shown to be related to the inhabitants of islands to the south such as Fiji and Tonga. In ancient times Fiji was a Polynesian island, but it had slowly been taken over by Melanesians."
LMAO Read it and weep...
Sorry but we fijian are ancient Africans from east Africa not monkey slaves from polynesia ahahaha.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#49 May 8, 2013
Retract your statements right now! Lol
Forget about those written thesis work, they carry no weight as they are theories... Linguistic studies are an ongoing phenomena. If you try to trace people groups through linguistics, you will encounter many obstacles and contradictions through bio-research. In fact, most researchers begin their research with preconceived conclusions of what they will find, and thus collecting only what they want to find.

One thing you will find when it comes to hypothesised history is that they contradict existing history. Hypothesis is a guess explanation of things not understandable to optimistic thinkers. Subjects of divine sophistication, though simple to the sound decerner, is sometimes abhorred by judgemental people and therefore dissected and reinterpreted. When in reality, it is simple.

If you want history in its purest form, then go back to orall history...isn't that what history mean?'His Story'...

Sometimes common sense overrides interlectual judgements. That is why wisdom is found among the old folks, and foolishness in us young ones.

Since: Feb 13

Tauranga, New Zealand

#50 May 9, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
Retract your statements right now! Lol
Forget about those written thesis work, they carry no weight as they are theories... Linguistic studies are an ongoing phenomena. If you try to trace people groups through linguistics, you will encounter many obstacles and contradictions through bio-research. In fact, most researchers begin their research with preconceived conclusions of what they will find, and thus collecting only what they want to find.
One thing you will find when it comes to hypothesised history is that they contradict existing history. Hypothesis is a guess explanation of things not understandable to optimistic thinkers. Subjects of divine sophistication, though simple to the sound decerner, is sometimes abhorred by judgemental people and therefore dissected and reinterpreted. When in reality, it is simple.
If you want history in its purest form, then go back to orall history...isn't that what history mean?'His Story'...
Sometimes common sense overrides interlectual judgements. That is why wisdom is found among the old folks, and foolishness in us young ones.
There is so many problems with your post that I don't know where to start. I guess I'll begin at the the top.

"Linguistic studies are an ongoing phenomena."

1. You're NOT a linguist.

2. That book I posted clearly mentions LINGUISTICS.

http://books.google.co.nz/books ...
"Segal links the LINGUISTICS of Kosrae to those of Polynesia... Like Tonga and other western Polynesian islands, Kosrae uses the prefix To or Tui before the island name to indicate the paramount chief... Therefore the title of king on Kosrae appears to be a POLYNESIAN title."

"LINGUISTICALLY the people of Kosrae, even more than those of Pohnpaei, are shown to be related to the inhabitants of islands to the south such as Fiji and Tonga. In ancient times Fiji was a Polynesian island, but it had slowly been taken over by Melanesians."

Either you didn't read my link properly (if at all), or you're doing a Polo Klown and ignoring evidence that contradicts you. I'm guessing the latter. And why did you mention 'bio-research'?? I have no idea what you're talking about. What makes it worse is that you didn't specify an EXAMPLE.

"In fact, most researchers begin their research with preconceived conclusions..."

This entire paragraph made no sense. My book made no mention whatsoever of any 'hypothesis'. If it did I wouldn't of used it. Once again you're doing another Polo - saying that the 'experts' are biased and wrong without a shred of evidence. Are there biased historians out there?? Of course there are. But it will be other historians who call them out on it. Are you an historian?? Didn't think so. Can you find an historian who refutes the book?? Better yet, find me someone who can back p your claim that Tui is a Fijian title and/or word. Because that is what this debate is really about, but you're traling off on to something completely unrelated and hoping no-one will notice (LOL)...

Since: Feb 13

Tauranga, New Zealand

#51 May 9, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
Retract your statements right now! Lol
Forget about those written thesis work, they carry no weight as they are theories... Linguistic studies are an ongoing phenomena. If you try to trace people groups through linguistics, you will encounter many obstacles and contradictions through bio-research. In fact, most researchers begin their research with preconceived conclusions of what they will find, and thus collecting only what they want to find.
One thing you will find when it comes to hypothesised history is that they contradict existing history. Hypothesis is a guess explanation of things not understandable to optimistic thinkers. Subjects of divine sophistication, though simple to the sound decerner, is sometimes abhorred by judgemental people and therefore dissected and reinterpreted. When in reality, it is simple.
If you want history in its purest form, then go back to orall history...isn't that what history mean?'His Story'...
Sometimes common sense overrides interlectual judgements. That is why wisdom is found among the old folks, and foolishness in us young ones.
"One thing you will find when it comes to hypothesised history is that they contradict existing history. Hypothesis is a guess explanation of things not understandable to optimistic thinkers. Subjects of divine sophistication, though simple to the sound decerner, is sometimes abhorred by judgemental people and therefore dissected and reinterpreted. When in reality, it is simple."

This paragraph makes even less sense than the previous one. You're clearly confusing hypothetical with theoretical - the latter is based on EVIDENCE (such as linguistics, like you said before). "Subjects of divine sophistication". WTF does this mean??

"If you want history in its purest form, then go back to orall history..."

Are you serious?? Polynesian oral history is mixed in with myth. Here's just one example; Tuna and Fata are at war with Talakaifaiki, which we can both agree was an actual event that took place. But along the way they encounter ghosts, talking animals (I think) and are brought back from the dead. You're seriously trying to tell me and others to believe oral history in its entirety?? I hope not. The only way to separate fact from fiction is do alt of research and SIFT evidence. Again, you have to rely on historians for this.

And like I said before, quit changing the subject. This was about the Tui title remember?? So either keep to this particular argument or don't bother replying back...
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#52 May 9, 2013
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is so many problems with your post that I don't know where to start. I guess I'll begin at the the top.
"Linguistic studies are an ongoing phenomena."
1. You're NOT a linguist.
2. That book I posted clearly mentions LINGUISTICS.
http://books.google.co.nz/books ...
"Segal links the LINGUISTICS of Kosrae to those of Polynesia... Like Tonga and other western Polynesian islands, Kosrae uses the prefix To or Tui before the island name to indicate the paramount chief... Therefore the title of king on Kosrae appears to be a POLYNESIAN title."
"LINGUISTICALLY the people of Kosrae, even more than those of Pohnpaei, are shown to be related to the inhabitants of islands to the south such as Fiji and Tonga. In ancient times Fiji was a Polynesian island, but it had slowly been taken over by Melanesians."
Either you didn't read my link properly (if at all), or you're doing a Polo Klown and ignoring evidence that contradicts you. I'm guessing the latter. And why did you mention 'bio-research'?? I have no idea what you're talking about. What makes it worse is that you didn't specify an EXAMPLE.
"In fact, most researchers begin their research with preconceived conclusions..."
This entire paragraph made no sense. My book made no mention whatsoever of any 'hypothesis'. If it did I wouldn't of used it. Once again you're doing another Polo - saying that the 'experts' are biased and wrong without a shred of evidence. Are there biased historians out there?? Of course there are. But it will be other historians who call them out on it. Are you an historian?? Didn't think so. Can you find an historian who refutes the book?? Better yet, find me someone who can back p your claim that Tui is a Fijian title and/or word. Because that is what this debate is really about, but you're traling off on to something completely unrelated and hoping no-one will notice (LOL)...
Tui is fijian word transnational into tongan get your facts right and fijian have run 7 empires idiot there are more tui kings in fiji then tonga and 27 Kingdom either your blind ape or your talking out of your ass. The only fking Micronesian we created are karibaiti idiot who are of fijian melo polynesian bloodline now go kiss your asses we ruled samoa and created the tongan who came from fiji by the tui palotuo empire.
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#53 May 9, 2013
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
<quoted text>
"One thing you will find when it comes to hypothesised history is that they contradict existing history. Hypothesis is a guess explanation of things not understandable to optimistic thinkers. Subjects of divine sophistication, though simple to the sound decerner, is sometimes abhorred by judgemental people and therefore dissected and reinterpreted. When in reality, it is simple."
This paragraph makes even less sense than the previous one. You're clearly confusing hypothetical with theoretical - the latter is based on EVIDENCE (such as linguistics, like you said before). "Subjects of divine sophistication". WTF does this mean??
"If you want history in its purest form, then go back to orall history..."
Are you serious?? Polynesian oral history is mixed in with myth. Here's just one example; Tuna and Fata are at war with Talakaifaiki, which we can both agree was an actual event that took place. But along the way they encounter ghosts, talking animals (I think) and are brought back from the dead. You're seriously trying to tell me and others to believe oral history in its entirety?? I hope not. The only way to separate fact from fiction is do alt of research and SIFT evidence. Again, you have to rely on historians for this.
And like I said before, quit changing the subject. This was about the Tui title remember?? So either keep to this particular argument or don't bother replying back...
Western polynesia ends in the cook Islands fijian tongan mixed breed wiped out the samoan apes who lived there plain and simple it was were the gay maori was born. Western polynesian is fijian zone it is the oldest and purest of bloodline the race that live there are tongafisi. Samoa well the can fk off to Micronesia.
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#54 May 9, 2013
Tuana and futa can kiss my asses only we fijinesian and our 27 Kingdom gave the order to enslave western Samoa tui tongan was nothing more then a king half breed who has a large fking fijian mixed tongan kids given to him by the kings of fiji from lau.
We called the samoan toa meaning chicken
We ruled samoa frist the kids who are born from fijian bloodline was tui manu and fitimua and etc giving them titles tui from their fijian fathers rulers and true air to samoa that's why the pea was given to you. Vea was the curse of samoa destroyer of the samoan culture tui viti killed his half fijian son and declared all the fijian kingdom and tongan never to let a samoan be king or tui you then was enslaved by fijian sent to fiji in slave camps to build the fijian warship and to work for the tongan read it and wipe it blame vea for your action.
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#55 May 9, 2013
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
<quoted text>
"One thing you will find when it comes to hypothesised history is that they contradict existing history. Hypothesis is a guess explanation of things not understandable to optimistic thinkers. Subjects of divine sophistication, though simple to the sound decerner, is sometimes abhorred by judgemental people and therefore dissected and reinterpreted. When in reality, it is simple."
This paragraph makes even less sense than the previous one. You're clearly confusing hypothetical with theoretical - the latter is based on EVIDENCE (such as linguistics, like you said before). "Subjects of divine sophistication". WTF does this mean??
"If you want history in its purest form, then go back to orall history..."
Are you serious?? Polynesian oral history is mixed in with myth. Here's just one example; Tuna and Fata are at war with Talakaifaiki, which we can both agree was an actual event that took place. But along the way they encounter ghosts, talking animals (I think) and are brought back from the dead. You're seriously trying to tell me and others to believe oral history in its entirety?? I hope not. The only way to separate fact from fiction is do alt of research and SIFT evidence. Again, you have to rely on historians for this.
And like I said before, quit changing the subject. This was about the Tui title remember?? So either keep to this particular argument or don't bother replying back...
You will never run away from your history except it ape and deal with it vea was the cause of your weak bloodline blame him.
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#56 May 9, 2013
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
<quoted text>
"One thing you will find when it comes to hypothesised history is that they contradict existing history. Hypothesis is a guess explanation of things not understandable to optimistic thinkers. Subjects of divine sophistication, though simple to the sound decerner, is sometimes abhorred by judgemental people and therefore dissected and reinterpreted. When in reality, it is simple."
This paragraph makes even less sense than the previous one. You're clearly confusing hypothetical with theoretical - the latter is based on EVIDENCE (such as linguistics, like you said before). "Subjects of divine sophistication". WTF does this mean??
"If you want history in its purest form, then go back to orall history..."
Are you serious?? Polynesian oral history is mixed in with myth. Here's just one example; Tuna and Fata are at war with Talakaifaiki, which we can both agree was an actual event that took place. But along the way they encounter ghosts, talking animals (I think) and are brought back from the dead. You're seriously trying to tell me and others to believe oral history in its entirety?? I hope not. The only way to separate fact from fiction is do alt of research and SIFT evidence. Again, you have to rely on historians for this.
And like I said before, quit changing the subject. This was about the Tui title remember?? So either keep to this particular argument or don't bother replying back...
The oldest title is fiji are called ratu then it change to tui I told you man times fijian sailed from different parts of east Africa and took asian wifes the womens name was sina for fk sake
LAFA-TONGA

Apia, Samoa

#57 May 10, 2013
pingpingpong wrote:
<quoted text>
The oldest title is fiji are called ratu then it change to tui I told you man times fijian sailed from different parts of east Africa and took asian wifes the womens name was sina for fk sake
Absolutely TRUE...Tui-lou-Muli is originally from ur Fijian ancestors...congratulation 2 ur royal heritage pi-mogo. Non-fiction (lol)
WARRIOR

Brea, CA

#58 May 10, 2013
LAFA-TONGA wrote:
<quoted text> Absolutely TRUE...Tui-lou-Muli is originally from ur Fijian ancestors...congratulation 2 ur royal heritage pi-mogo. Non-fiction (lol)
Y all the teine Samo have lafa btween legs??? matai gift or Chinese gift hahaaa!!!!
LAFA-TONGA

Apia, Samoa

#60 May 10, 2013
A tongan CURSE...4 eating pet-species like dogs, horses etc... OH Hey LAFATONGA WARRIOR, stop peeping-dom at tahine of ur kainga...ofa atu TAMASII LAFATOGA
WARRIOR

Brea, CA

#61 May 10, 2013
Y Samolafa wear condom on there tongue..hahaaa!!! co'z the lafa a..!!!

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