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Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#124 Jun 15, 2013
Samoan Irish wrote:
<quoted text>yeah.. Cause when u have another 100 samoans in college foot ball around the same hieght.. U can clearly see.. Samoans have very tall and strong people.. Now there r samoans shorter than that.. But no doubt if average out.. 5 8 to 5 11 is the average samoan.. With samoans having the same number of people shorter and taller than the average
Your logic just doesn't make sense.Try again but try to make sense this time lol
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#125 Jun 15, 2013
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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You are dumb lol you are basing the average height of the samoan people on a group of NFL players hahahahaha so I could use the Fiji basketball teams average height as the average height of the Fijian people in general? your logic makes no sense and is why you constantly look silly.You are an intellectual lightweight If you can't understand such a basic concept as that.
Hey boso he is a pigmy lol im 6 1 tall. His comparing another samoa in usa the one we talk to come from apia and savvii the little pimgy people none of the samoan there go to usa cause nz owns their country lol.
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#127 Jun 15, 2013
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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Your logic just doesn't make sense.Try again but try to make sense this time lol
This western Samoa are monkey this is a great place to back our tongan brother and take this wanabe western polynesian and deport them to naru prison loool

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#128 Jun 15, 2013
Samoan Irish wrote:
Last post.. Only got 1mb.. Lol.. Fiti worrying, ur the one coming off as stupid.. No matter what.. A fiti look melanesian.. And samoan polynesian.. Reason why we play nfl.. Cause ur genetic make up is not big and strong like samoan
Samoans always quick to make excuses and run when the facts are displayed.You haven't proven anything but your lack of intelligence.Once again you are stating opinion not fact.

American Football is for pussies and If we use your logic why have the Fijians been the most successful Rugby team in the Pacific? your own logic has failed you, try again lol.

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Since: Oct 09

Apia, Samoa

#129 Jun 15, 2013
pingpingpong wrote:
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Hey boso he is a pigmy lol im 6 1 tall. His comparing another samoa in usa the one we talk to come from apia and savvii the little pimgy people none of the samoan there go to usa cause nz owns their country lol.
sa sa always said u more intelligent than fiti pigmy.. Hes right.. Lol, buddy.. In the manu samoa the backs average height was 6 1.. With alesana and paul willams standing 6 3.. Shud up already.. Lol
pingpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#130 Jun 15, 2013
Sasa wrote:
<quoted text>....write it down on a get well card and send it to your mummy, she the one getting a facelift lol
There is a lot of tongan in Western Samoa their taking over your their slaves we fijian made sure you are in line its how you say we are the real true pure race who sold you to tongan and white people I mean we got 30 slave camp in fiji for your people history never fails to point the truth. Western Samoa monkey are you with fijian there in oz do they look superior to you cause their Indian ahahahah.

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Since: Oct 09

Apia, Samoa

#131 Jun 15, 2013
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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Your logic just doesn't make sense.Try again but try to make sense this time lol
ur dummer than ping pong poo.. Thats sad.. Lol, mate when u fitians can match samoa in music or sports.. I care what u think.. Until then embrace melanesia.. Tell me where did melanesia come from.. In fiti or austrilia.. Lets start from there.. Surely not tawain.. Lol

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#132 Jun 15, 2013
Samoan Irish wrote:
<quoted text>sa sa always said u more intelligent than fiti pigmy.. Hes right.. Lol, buddy.. In the manu samoa the backs average height was 6 1.. With alesana and paul willams standing 6 3.. Shud up already.. Lol
First he uses NFL players as a basis for the general height of samoans now it's the Rugby players lol

If Samoans are so tall show me a full samoan who is taller the 7'8.I'll wait lol...

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#133 Jun 15, 2013
Samoan Irish wrote:
<quoted text>ur dummer than ping pong poo.. Thats sad.. Lol, mate when u fitians can match samoa in music or sports.. I care what u think.. Until then embrace melanesia.. Tell me where did melanesia come from.. In fiti or austrilia.. Lets start from there.. Surely not tawain.. Lol
We've dominated pacific island sports, music, art etc for a long time now so you still aren't making sense lol

Before insulting anyone elses intelligence please learn basic spelling lol words like "dummer" "austrilia" "tawain" LMFAO primary school kids could spell those words yet you call me the dumb one? keep digging that hole lil man

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Since: Apr 12

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#134 Jun 15, 2013
Samoan Irish wrote:
Last post.. Only got 1mb.. Lol.. Fiti worrying, ur the one coming off as stupid.. No matter what.. A fiti look melanesian.. And samoan polynesian.. Reason why we play nfl.. Cause ur genetic make up is not big and strong like samoan
You play nfl because half of samoa is American, ruled by a fiti looking president

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Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#135 Jun 15, 2013
Sasa wrote:
<quoted text> be like kava, he knew he wasn't wanted, too much lies, poofter searching like u ,....he's gone had enough, atleast he knows when to give up the charades , took a while but he woke up , dropped what little pride he had at the door and went home in a skirt as well he should have lol
You have summoned me back for what Uale Mai?

Since: Feb 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#136 Jun 16, 2013
Interesting read. But you must remember that it is only one of several theories. Your link was dated October, 2000. Yet I have a link from 2008 that seems to contradict it.

http://www.newswise.com/articles/polynesians-...
"The origins and current genetic relationships of Pacific Islanders have generated interest and controversy for many decades. Now, a new comprehensive genetic study of almost 1,000 individuals has revealed that Polynesians and Micronesians have almost no genetic relation to Melanesians, and that groups that live in the islands of Melanesia are remarkably diverse."

Just to be clear, I don't care which theory is the correct one. I'm just saying that it would be wrong to declare any theory as the right one (yet).

Since: Feb 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#137 Jun 16, 2013
My conclusion would be that there needs to be years of more research to finally know for sure and without any doubts which theory (the 'Express Train Model', the 'Entangled Bank Model' or the 'Slow Boat Model') is the right one. There is alot of evidence for all sides.

So it's pointless to continue this dumb debate. Either way, the ancestors of Polynesians passed through Melanesia. The only issue seems to be how long and how much did Polynesians and Melanesians interact and interbreed.

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#138 Jun 16, 2013
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
Interesting read. But you must remember that it is only one of several theories. Your link was dated October, 2000. Yet I have a link from 2008 that seems to contradict it.
http://www.newswise.com/articles/polynesians-...
"The origins and current genetic relationships of Pacific Islanders have generated interest and controversy for many decades. Now, a new comprehensive genetic study of almost 1,000 individuals has revealed that Polynesians and Micronesians have almost no genetic relation to Melanesians, and that groups that live in the islands of Melanesia are remarkably diverse."
Just to be clear, I don't care which theory is the correct one. I'm just saying that it would be wrong to declare any theory as the right one (yet).
First off there are no "pure" populations in the Eastern Pacific from which to sample genes and claim to reconstruct the original populations there. Second the fact is that populations from Melanesia, New Guinea and Fiji ARE KNOWN FOR A FACT to have been among the first people of the Eastern Pacific. All this nonsense about people coming from mainland Asia and getting on a hypersonic boat passing New Guinea and Melanesia in order to create a population UNRELATED to those of New Guinea and Melanesia is retarded. The original populations of the Eastern Pacific have features MOST CLOSELY resembling Fijians, some Melanesians and some New Guineans. But the fact is also that Melanesia also has the highest physical and genetic diversity in the world, which again attests to the age of the populations there and the FACT that it is one of the examples engines of diversity from which populations like those of the Eastern Pacific derive.

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#139 Jun 16, 2013
As said many times, the original people of the Eastern Pacific were not East Asians in the sense of being "mongoloid" or like Modern people of East Asia. Genetics does not say this. The ONLY reason modern pacific people are claimed to be primarily derived from East Asians is because of the influx of such people in the last 500 years. Ancient Eastern Pacific people were no different than those of the rest of the Pacific and part of the diversity there.

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#140 Jun 16, 2013
The fact is that the culture we call "Polynesian" today originated in the lands of the western Pacific, in the Melanesian Islands into Fiji and then moved East. Almost ALL of the traditions there have their origins in the Western Pacific.

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#141 Jun 16, 2013
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
Interesting read. But you must remember that it is only one of several theories. Your link was dated October, 2000. Yet I have a link from 2008 that seems to contradict it.
http://www.newswise.com/articles/polynesians-...
"The origins and current genetic relationships of Pacific Islanders have generated interest and controversy for many decades. Now, a new comprehensive genetic study of almost 1,000 individuals has revealed that Polynesians and Micronesians have almost no genetic relation to Melanesians, and that groups that live in the islands of Melanesia are remarkably diverse."
Just to be clear, I don't care which theory is the correct one. I'm just saying that it would be wrong to declare any theory as the right one (yet).
The closest people culturally and physically to the Samoans and Pacific Islanders are the people of Fiji. This is amply documented in oral histories, physical archaeology and cultural traditions. Almost all histories and studies of the spread of Polynesian people starts with Fiji. Fiji is considered a Melanesian Island. Therefore, the strong relationship between Fiji and polynesia makes any such nonsense about a separation between Polynesia and Melanesia strictly nonsense. What they are really saying is that there is genetic difference between highland people from New Guinea and the Eastern Pacific, but highland New Guinea is not all of Melanesia.

However, this genetic study DOES NOT SAMPLE FIJIANS. Right there you see a big giant gap in the picture which makes the accuracy of the study suspect. Why? Because Fiji is like "Nubia", the "missing link" between Egypt and the rest of Africa, so by leaving Fiji out, they can pretend to present a separation between the Eastern Pacific and the rest of the Pacific that does not exist in reality.

Look at this map of the people studied:

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fetchObje...

Obviously, if ANY population is going to be closest to the people of Eastern Pacific it would be those of the Mid Pacific, like Fiji. So why did they not sample the people of Fiji?

Duh.

We all know the answer to that one.

But beyond all of that, the sample sizes and the fact that they focused on New Guinea, which they themselves admit is HIGHLY GENETICALLY DIVERSE to begin with makes this whole study questionable to say the least.

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#142 Jun 16, 2013
Again, this document reflects the fact that since Europeans have arrived in the Pacific they have tried to make a FALSE separation between Eastern and Western Pacific populations purely based on their own nonsense racial paradigms and not on facts. However, even with the overt racial propaganda they themselves make the point that much of what is so-called Polynesian culture actually originates in Melanesia and the sculpture and carvings they reference are those of the populations of the Sepik River in Papua New Guinea. These things drive home the point that Eastern Pacific populations were not separate from those of the Western pacific and most of the claims of such a separation are purely based on European "scientific" racial dogma than anything else.

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

#143 Jun 16, 2013
*crickets*

Since: Feb 13

Tauranga, New Zealand

#144 Jun 16, 2013
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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First off there are no "pure" populations in the Eastern Pacific from which to sample genes and claim to reconstruct the original populations there. Second the fact is that populations from Melanesia, New Guinea and Fiji ARE KNOWN FOR A FACT to have been among the first people of the Eastern Pacific. All this nonsense about people coming from mainland Asia and getting on a hypersonic boat passing New Guinea and Melanesia in order to create a population UNRELATED to those of New Guinea and Melanesia is retarded. The original populations of the Eastern Pacific have features MOST CLOSELY resembling Fijians, some Melanesians and some New Guineans. But the fact is also that Melanesia also has the highest physical and genetic diversity in the world, which again attests to the age of the populations there and the FACT that it is one of the examples engines of diversity from which populations like those of the Eastern Pacific derive.
LOL Well how's this for irony?? You were ranting on and on to Irish about facts trumping opinion, and yet here you are doing exactly what you were critizing him for.

"Second the fact is that populations from Melanesia, New Guinea and Fiji ARE KNOWN FOR A FACT to have been among the first people of the Eastern Pacific."

I already know this. Australian Aboriginals are said to have been around for tens of thousands of years, which is pretty mind-blowing to me. So I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

"All this nonsense about people coming from mainland Asia and getting on a hypersonic boat passing New Guinea and Melanesia in order to create a population UNRELATED to those of New Guinea and Melanesia is retarded."

I'm just following what the link said. But like I said before, more and more tests should be done. I don't think anyone claims that that early Polys didn't interact and breed with Melanesians. The disagreement lies with how extensive this was. That link I posted says that Polynesians have little genetic relations with Melanesians. But that isn't the same as saying we have no genetic relations.

"The original populations of the Eastern Pacific have features MOST CLOSELY resembling Fijians, some Melanesians and some New Guineans."

What 'original populations' are you referring to?? Abos are obviously similar in looks but I don't think they are Melanesian for some reason. Yet any genetic similarity to Polynesians seem minimal.

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