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Since: Feb 13

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#227
Jun 17, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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"The actual terms 'Melanesians' and 'Polynesians' don't matter"
I'm sorry what were you saying? talk about contradicting.
Exactly. We could refer to Polynesians and Melanesians by whatever terms we want but they would still be seperate. So where is the contradiction?? You're the one harping on about Polys and Mele's being the same when they actually aren't. Any contradiction is coming from you.

Since: Feb 13

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#228
Jun 17, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
The facts have been provided but It's on you if you choose to ignore.If you actually did some proper research instead of just copy/pasting links you would find that I'm right.
That's exactly what I'm doing, I'm researching and posting what I find. That's what people do. And stop this 'copy and paste' nonsense. You copy and posted yourself. Remember this??

"Conclusions: All Polynesian Y chromosomes can be traced back to Melanesia, although some of these Y-chromosome types originated in Asia. Together with other genetic and cultural evidence, we propose a new model of Polynesian origins that we call the ‘slow-boat’ model: Polynesian ancestors did originate from Asia/Taiwan but did not move rapidly through Melanesia; rather, they interacted with and mixed extensively with Melanesians, leaving behind their genes and incorporating many Melanesian genes before colonising the Pacific.

Source:http://www.sciencedirec t.com/science/article/pii/S096 098220000734X"

Like I said before, explain why it's ok for you and not for me.

Since: Feb 13

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#229
Jun 17, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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"Why were Fijians not sampled? lol"
What they are 'really' saying?? Is this another conspiracy again?? SMH... If you're trying to debunk this study, you're doing a terrible job at it and you're also not the right person to do it. If this study turns out to be wrong, it will be SCIENTISTS who will determine this, not you.
^^ What a fucking cop out lol I've already provided proof as to why your theory is invalid.
Again I will ask why were Fijians not sampled?
Your opinion is not proof. All you asked was why Fijians weren't 'sampled'. Fijians have mixed with Polynesians over the centuries meaning they aren't true Melanesians. New Guineans may be diverse but that should mean that Polys should show a high relation to at least one DNA grouping of them. New Guineans weren't the only Melanesians sampled anyways, Solomon Islanders and Bismark Islanders were also in the sample. Check your map Sherlock. So your point is mute.

Since: Feb 13

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#230
Jun 17, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
How were they "Polynesians" in Asia when that is a term to describe a subregion in Oceania?
Polynesia is the region, Polynesians are the people. Are you that dumb?? ;)

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#231
Jun 17, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
And the crickets are back lol
I told you on the previous page that I had to go. Desperation or what??

Since: Feb 13

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#232
Jun 17, 2013
 
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As said many times, the original people of the Eastern Pacific were not East Asians in the sense of being "mongoloid" or like Modern people of East Asia. Genetics does not say this. The ONLY reason modern pacific people are claimed to be primarily derived from East Asians is because of the influx of such people in the last 500 years. Ancient Eastern Pacific people were no different than those of the rest of the Pacific and part of the diversity there.
The fact is that the culture we call "Polynesian" today originated in the lands of the western Pacific, in the Melanesian Islands into Fiji and then moved East. Almost ALL of the traditions there have their origins in the Western Pacific.
"As said many times, the original people of the Eastern Pacific were not East Asians in the sense of being "mongoloid" or like Modern people of East Asia. Genetics does not say this. The ONLY reason modern pacific people are claimed to be primarily derived from East Asians is because of the influx of such people in the last 500 years. Ancient Eastern Pacific people were no different than those of the rest of the Pacific and part of the diversity there."

No proof huh?? Funny, you were happy to provide a source link on the very first page.

Since: Feb 13

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#233
Jun 17, 2013
 
It's that time again - I have to go. Have fun with the crickets :P
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#234
Jun 17, 2013
 
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
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Your opinion is not proof. All you asked was why Fijians weren't 'sampled'. Fijians have mixed with Polynesians over the centuries meaning they aren't true Melanesians. New Guineans may be diverse but that should mean that Polys should show a high relation to at least one DNA grouping of them. New Guineans weren't the only Melanesians sampled anyways, Solomon Islanders and Bismark Islanders were also in the sample. Check your map Sherlock. So your point is mute.
I don't care about this subject too much,...or have time to do your kind of research because I don't need this fool to tell me what I already know,...except to enlighten others,...and of course I'm being facetious about terming "aborilla",...(unsci entific and epithetic,)...but it's no different than what he implies,...no?



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Since: Oct 09

Apia, Samoa

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#235
Jun 18, 2013
 
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
It's that time again - I have to go. Have fun with the crickets :P
good posts.. Lol.. Shut him up big time..

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

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#236
Jun 18, 2013
 
You realize that the history of the Pacific over the last 150 years makes it almost impossible to make an accurate genetic assessment of what the lineages were even 200 years ago. Many islands have been heavily influenced by invaders and migrants in that period of time. Case in point, there are almost 0 full blood Hawaiians in Hawaii. And not many with more than 50% Hawaiian blood. And of course almost all the original Hawaiians were dark black with curly hair like Melanesians. Hawaii is even farther away from Melanesia than Samoa, but yet the Hawaiians had features very similar to Melanesians, like those of Fiji.

My opinion is that like anything else, the researchers are using selective samples to bias the results and create a fake distinction between Eastern Pacific populations and those in the Western Pacific. As I noted earlier, FIJI is acknowledged by many as the homeland of Polynesian culture and the Fijians are black and the closest physically to the original Hawaiians and other so-called Polynesians. However, the genetic study did not sample people from Fiji. By omitting Fiji from the sample set they are making the Eastern Islands artificially distant from the Western ones. No doubt if they did sample the Fijians, they would no doubt be closer to the polynesians than the Melanesians. Now, with all this concern about the origin of the polynesians and the fact that the oldest artifacts from that part of the Pacific are in Fiji, why aren't there any DNA studies from FIJI?

All the studies I have seen sample Melanesia and Polyenesia but skip over Fiji. That sounds odd don't you think?

Keep in mind that Melanesia only means black while Polynesia means mixed, which indicates that those of the eastern Islands have more recent admixture. But all of those islands were originally populated by blacks.

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#237
Jun 18, 2013
 
More crickets.. Lol, and where do fitians who løok african.. come from.. Aust.. Or africa. Lol

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Since: Oct 09

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#238
Jun 18, 2013
 
Lol fitian wannabe polynesia trying to make hawaiians look like rupeni cow cow in feature.. Smh.. So fitians the original polynesian aka jolie vindiri.. Lol

Since: May 13

Auckland, New Zealand

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#239
Jun 18, 2013
 
Samoan Irish wrote:
More crickets.. Lol, and where do fitians who løok african.. come from.. Aust.. Or africa. Lol
You have been exposed for using another mans pic and then trying to pass it off as your own LOL how could I possibly take you serious anymore? whatever you say from now on is irrelevant to me.
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#241
Jun 18, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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You have been exposed for using another mans pic and then trying to pass it off as your own LOL how could I possibly take you serious anymore? whatever you say from now on is irrelevant to me.
Yes his a negro lover he runs after negro women that's why negro women talk about samoan lol when they babies look in usa they try claim fijian ewwww.
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#242
Jun 18, 2013
 
Samoan Irish wrote:
More crickets.. Lol, and where do fitians who løok african.. come from.. Aust.. Or africa. Lol
We are melanesian most blacks are blacker then fijian you look like a negro go talk to them you are the same cotton filed pickers.
Sasa

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#243
Jun 18, 2013
 
pingpingpong wrote:
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We are melanesian most blacks are blacker then fijian you look like a negro go talk to them you are the same cotton filed pickers.
......you are in the overcooked range, so u just qualified as human , so u very lucky u little burnt toast crumb lol
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#244
Jun 18, 2013
 
pingpingpong wrote:
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Yes his a negro lover he runs after negro women that's why negro women talk about samoan lol when they babies look in usa they try claim fijian ewwww.
......only when they float in the toilet bowl lol
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Jun 18, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
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You have been exposed for using another mans pic and then trying to pass it off as your own LOL how could I possibly take you serious anymore? whatever you say from now on is irrelevant to me.
.........your one not to take seriously too, who u kidding lol
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#246
Jun 18, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
You realize that the history of the Pacific over the last 150 years makes it almost impossible to make an accurate genetic assessment of what the lineages were even 200 years ago. Many islands have been heavily influenced by invaders and migrants in that period of time. Case in point, there are almost 0 full blood Hawaiians in Hawaii. And not many with more than 50% Hawaiian blood. And of course almost all the original Hawaiians were dark black with curly hair like Melanesians. Hawaii is even farther away from Melanesia than Samoa, but yet the Hawaiians had features very similar to Melanesians, like those of Fiji.
My opinion is that like anything else, the researchers are using selective samples to bias the results and create a fake distinction between Eastern Pacific populations and those in the Western Pacific. As I noted earlier, FIJI is acknowledged by many as the homeland of Polynesian culture and the Fijians are black and the closest physically to the original Hawaiians and other so-called Polynesians. However, the genetic study did not sample people from Fiji. By omitting Fiji from the sample set they are making the Eastern Islands artificially distant from the Western ones. No doubt if they did sample the Fijians, they would no doubt be closer to the polynesians than the Melanesians. Now, with all this concern about the origin of the polynesians and the fact that the oldest artifacts from that part of the Pacific are in Fiji, why aren't there any DNA studies from FIJI?
All the studies I have seen sample Melanesia and Polyenesia but skip over Fiji. That sounds odd don't you think?
Keep in mind that Melanesia only means black while Polynesia means mixed, which indicates that those of the eastern Islands have more recent admixture. But all of those islands were originally populated by blacks.
...again, very boring ....

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#247
Jun 18, 2013
 
Sasa wrote:
<quoted text>...again, very boring ....
That's understandable, because you have the will to disagree. A student will never learn from the teacher he hates.

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