International Date Line's Move Across Samoa Plays Havoc with Seventh-Day Adventists

Jun 16, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Geographic Travels

Two years ago I wrote about the Independent State of Samoa's decision to move the international date line in order to be on the same day as Australia and New Zealand.

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Dennis Fischer

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Jun 17, 2013
 
Even though the SDA General Conference is trying to somehow downplay the Sabbath/Sunday dilemma in Samoa, Seventh-day Adventists in Samoa continue to be deeply divided to the extent of formally worshiping on both Saturday and Sunday in different locations each week. Officially, however, Samoan Adventists now observe Sunday as their Sabbath. As revealed in Isaiah 66:23 and Colossians 2:16, the Mosaic Sabbath and the New Moon celebrations were completely interdependent. The Israelites observed the weekly Sabbath on different days of the week each month according to the New Moon phases.

Obviously, the Hebrew people did not have a Gregorian calendar pinned to their tent flaps for more than 40 years (nor displayed in their homes in Palestine later). The fact of this Sabbath/New Moon interdependency clearly shows the ceremonial or ritual nature of the weekly Sabbath. After all, MORAL laws (in stark contrast to ceremonial laws)are in effect every nanosecond of time (24/7) and not merely once a year, season, month, or week. Those who still insist upon observing any OT shadow are actually denying the majesty and reality of Jesus Christ.

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Jun 22, 2013
 

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Regardless of the "Gregorian Calendar"

Man has always kept the Seventh Day Sabbath Holy that God created "for Man" since creation

The 7 day weekly cycle never changed although the naming of Days may have changed many many times

As far as I know the people in Samoa are still keeping God's Seventh Day Sabbath even though there it is called Sunday and every where else its called Saturday

Confusing Yes, whats interesting is The Catholics there are not keeping Monday?!? instead of Romes 1st Day Holy day--->whilst the Rest of the catholic world is celebrating their Mithra-tic Sunday worship

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Please Explain how The Sabbath is an OT Shadow of anything?

Is there or is there Not a Commandment From GOD to Remember the Sabbath Day?

What about Rome it derives its Authority from People Choosing to worship on Its Sunday a Day it takes Credit and Authority from

Who will you give your Authority To

God or Rome?
Robert Two

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Jun 30, 2013
 
I have flown over the dateline.
Yes I can see how some are confused by this.
Byt time must start and finish at some point.The BIBLE centers things round Jerusalem.
So we humans must accept a cut off point.
I flew out on SUNDAY but landed in FIJI and it was SABBATH. I accept this must take place. Moving the date line in SAMOA was necessary and the change made is UNDERSTANDABLE.
Dennis Fischer

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Jul 14, 2013
 
Robert Two wrote:
I have flown over the dateline.
Yes I can see how some are confused by this.
Byt time must start and finish at some point.The BIBLE centers things round Jerusalem.
So we humans must accept a cut off point.
I flew out on SUNDAY but landed in FIJI and it was SABBATH. I accept this must take place. Moving the date line in SAMOA was necessary and the change made is UNDERSTANDABLE.
SDA evangelists have falsely and loudly proclaimed, for many decades, that the "weekly cycle" has never changed throughout history. However, ignorance is not necessarily bliss when it involves factual history. Of course, I realize that many people prefer to believe what they prefer to be true (i.e., Sunday being instituted by a Roman Catholic Pope). Interestingly and sadly, the same SDA apologists NEVER ever give the name of the Roman Catholic Pope who supposedly did this in their public lectures and publications.

Why is this key fact not mentioned? Simply because such a Roman Catholic pontiff never existed. Sunday observance in honor of the Lord's day (resurrection day) started within the first century (centuries before the Roman Catholic Church even existed). Seventh-day Adventism thrives upon anti-Catholic conspiracy theories. It somehow keeps the deceived SDA faithful even more faithful.

His grace still amazes me,

Dennis J. Fischer
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Jul 14, 2013
 
8:48 pm, Sunday, July 14, 2013:
RE: International Date Line's Move Across Samoa Plays Havoc with Seventh-Day Adventists
..... The ancient education (read: indoctrination) system required one day off each week, never mind what it's called. Muslims Fridays, Jews Saturdays, "Christians" Sundays. Maybe some people "celebrated" more than one per week.

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Jul 14, 2013
 
Dennis Fischer wrote:
Even though the SDA General Conference is trying to somehow downplay the Sabbath/Sunday dilemma in Samoa, Seventh-day Adventists in Samoa continue to be deeply divided to the extent of formally worshiping on both Saturday and Sunday in different locations each week. Officially, however, Samoan Adventists now observe Sunday as their Sabbath. As revealed in Isaiah 66:23 and Colossians 2:16, the Mosaic Sabbath and the New Moon celebrations were completely interdependent. The Israelites observed the weekly Sabbath on different days of the week each month according to the New Moon phases.
Obviously, the Hebrew people did not have a Gregorian calendar pinned to their tent flaps for more than 40 years (nor displayed in their homes in Palestine later). The fact of this Sabbath/New Moon interdependency clearly shows the ceremonial or ritual nature of the weekly Sabbath. After all, MORAL laws (in stark contrast to ceremonial laws)are in effect every nanosecond of time (24/7) and not merely once a year, season, month, or week. Those who still insist upon observing any OT shadow are actually denying the majesty and reality of Jesus Christ.
Dennis J. Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com
So very true, Dennis!

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Jul 14, 2013
 
You lot clearly need to read the bible again.

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Jul 14, 2013
 
KavaFarmer wrote:
You lot clearly need to read the bible again.
I am indeed in mid project doing exactly that, which has only served to strengthen my faith and my beliefs as I have stated them.

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GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>I am indeed in mid project doing exactly that, which has only served to strengthen my faith and my beliefs as I have stated them.
Brilliant...
A Voice In The Wilderness

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Dennis Fischer wrote:
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SDA evangelists have falsely and loudly proclaimed, for many decades, that the "weekly cycle" has never changed throughout history. However, ignorance is not necessarily bliss when it involves factual history. Of course, I realize that many people prefer to believe what they prefer to be true (i.e., Sunday being instituted by a Roman Catholic Pope). Interestingly and sadly, the same SDA apologists NEVER ever give the name of the Roman Catholic Pope who supposedly did this in their public lectures and publications.
Why is this key fact not mentioned? Simply because such a Roman Catholic pontiff never existed. Sunday observance in honor of the Lord's day (resurrection day) started within the first century (centuries before the Roman Catholic Church even existed). Seventh-day Adventism thrives upon anti-Catholic conspiracy theories. It somehow keeps the deceived SDA faithful even more faithful.
His grace still amazes me,
Dennis J. Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com
Keep spreading the above and one day soon you will find yourself being resurrected outside of the Holy City. It is THEN that you will truly be amazed at His grace, how He tried again and again to bring you back to the truth and repentance of sin, and you continuously rejected the pleadings of His mercy and continued in the work of deception and lies, tearing down what Christ died for. Continue in this work and you will fall in the general destruction of the wicked depicted in Revelation 20.

What you choose to do, do quickly, for your time is almost up.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Now to explain to you why I disagree with you and Dennis Fischer.
The Ten commandments are not a shadow of the Old Testament, but a perpetual/permanent covenant between God and his people. Its the Law of God. Every kingdom has a government, which has a law. The law symbolizes the rule and authority of that government. Without law, there is lawlessness which renders a nation ungovernable.
The Ten Commandments is the Law of God's Government, and only the citizen of God's nation will abide by his Laws.
It is written that the transgression of God's Law is sin, and the wages of sin is Death. Therefore breaking the Law is punishable by death. If this was not so, then the Death of Christ was unnecessary. The death of Christ was necessary in saving us because we are supposed to die, because we've broken the Law.
Without the Law, there is no sin. Animals were sacrificed in the past as substitutions to ourselves. If there's no law and I killed a man, I will remain innocent because there is no law to convict me. Remember, the Ten Commandments was not written by men, but by the Finger of God.
Christ himself said that He came not to abolish/remove the Law of God, but to fulfill/effectuate or execute it.

Regarding the Sabbath being kept on different days of the week is absurd. The Bible says clearly that the Sabbath was the Seventh day of the week. The Gregorian calender follows the Hebrew 7 day week cycle. The week has always been 7 days since creation. Even the Jews today keep Saturday as the Sabbath.

Its a matter of obedience. Christ said,'If you love me, Keep My Commandments'.
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Jul 22, 2013
 
KavaFarmer wrote:
Now to explain to you why I disagree with you and Dennis Fischer.
The Ten commandments are not a shadow of the Old Testament, but a perpetual/permanent covenant between God and his people. Its the Law of God. Every kingdom has a government, which has a law. The law symbolizes the rule and authority of that government. Without law, there is lawlessness which renders a nation ungovernable.
The Ten Commandments is the Law of God's Government, and only the citizen of God's nation will abide by his Laws.
It is written that the transgression of God's Law is sin, and the wages of sin is Death. Therefore breaking the Law is punishable by death. If this was not so, then the Death of Christ was unnecessary. The death of Christ was necessary in saving us because we are supposed to die, because we've broken the Law.
Without the Law, there is no sin. Animals were sacrificed in the past as substitutions to ourselves. If there's no law and I killed a man, I will remain innocent because there is no law to convict me. Remember, the Ten Commandments was not written by men, but by the Finger of God.
Christ himself said that He came not to abolish/remove the Law of God, but to fulfill/effectuate or execute it.
Regarding the Sabbath being kept on different days of the week is absurd. The Bible says clearly that the Sabbath was the Seventh day of the week. The Gregorian calender follows the Hebrew 7 day week cycle. The week has always been 7 days since creation. Even the Jews today keep Saturday as the Sabbath.
Its a matter of obedience. Christ said,'If you love me, Keep My Commandments'.
Dabgunnit, man,...whether I agree with you or not doesn't matter,...you nailed this one down, KF. Preach it, son!

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KavaFarmer wrote:
Now to explain to you why I disagree with you and Dennis Fischer.
The Ten commandments are not a shadow of the Old Testament, but a perpetual/permanent covenant between God and his people. Its the Law of God. Every kingdom has a government, which has a law. The law symbolizes the rule and authority of that government. Without law, there is lawlessness which renders a nation ungovernable.
The Ten Commandments is the Law of God's Government, and only the citizen of God's nation will abide by his Laws.
It is written that the transgression of God's Law is sin, and the wages of sin is Death. Therefore breaking the Law is punishable by death. If this was not so, then the Death of Christ was unnecessary. The death of Christ was necessary in saving us because we are supposed to die, because we've broken the Law.
Without the Law, there is no sin. Animals were sacrificed in the past as substitutions to ourselves. If there's no law and I killed a man, I will remain innocent because there is no law to convict me. Remember, the Ten Commandments was not written by men, but by the Finger of God.
Christ himself said that He came not to abolish/remove the Law of God, but to fulfill/effectuate or execute it.
Regarding the Sabbath being kept on different days of the week is absurd. The Bible says clearly that the Sabbath was the Seventh day of the week. The Gregorian calender follows the Hebrew 7 day week cycle. The week has always been 7 days since creation. Even the Jews today keep Saturday as the Sabbath.
Its a matter of obedience. Christ said,'If you love me, Keep My Commandments'.
Yet you still have not explained any resolution to the Sabbath issue in Samoa and the change in the dateline.
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Jul 22, 2013
 
GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you still have not explained any resolution to the Sabbath issue in Samoa and the change in the dateline.
I have a solution:
Stop worrying and enjoy your life!:)

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olasonn wrote:
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I have a solution:
Stop worrying and enjoy your life!:)
Does this face look worried? I'm not worried, since it makes no difference to me what day a person chooses to attend church.
A Voice In The Wilderness

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KavaFarmer wrote:
Now to explain to you why I disagree with you and Dennis Fischer.
The Ten commandments are not a shadow of the Old Testament, but a perpetual/permanent covenant between God and his people. Its the Law of God. Every kingdom has a government, which has a law. The law symbolizes the rule and authority of that government. Without law, there is lawlessness which renders a nation ungovernable.
The Ten Commandments is the Law of God's Government, and only the citizen of God's nation will abide by his Laws.
It is written that the transgression of God's Law is sin, and the wages of sin is Death. Therefore breaking the Law is punishable by death. If this was not so, then the Death of Christ was unnecessary. The death of Christ was necessary in saving us because we are supposed to die, because we've broken the Law.
Without the Law, there is no sin. Animals were sacrificed in the past as substitutions to ourselves. If there's no law and I killed a man, I will remain innocent because there is no law to convict me. Remember, the Ten Commandments was not written by men, but by the Finger of God.
Christ himself said that He came not to abolish/remove the Law of God, but to fulfill/effectuate or execute it.
Regarding the Sabbath being kept on different days of the week is absurd. The Bible says clearly that the Sabbath was the Seventh day of the week. The Gregorian calender follows the Hebrew 7 day week cycle. The week has always been 7 days since creation. Even the Jews today keep Saturday as the Sabbath.
Its a matter of obedience. Christ said,'If you love me, Keep My Commandments'.
TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH!!!

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GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>Does this face look worried? I'm not worried, since it makes no difference to me what day a person chooses to attend church.
Cain decided to sacrifice the fruits of his hands in direct neglect of explicit specificity, even though his intentions were good and directed towards worshiping God. In the end, his innocent baby brother became the first ever to experience pain and death because of this.

The Sabbath is the memorial of creation. The last day to be created, and the only day that was blessed.
Deny the Sabbath, deny creation, deny the Creator.

You told me that you are looking for the truth, but you have already decided what the truth should look like when you discover it. The Jews were waiting for Jesus, and they had already decided what Jesus would be like before they even met him. So when the truth was revealed, it disappointed them and so they rejected it, and tried to destroy it.

Anyway, one can only lead a horse to the water, but cannot make the horse drink.

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KavaFarmer wrote:
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Cain decided to sacrifice the fruits of his hands in direct neglect of explicit specificity, even though his intentions were good and directed towards worshiping God. In the end, his innocent baby brother became the first ever to experience pain and death because of this.
The Sabbath is the memorial of creation. The last day to be created, and the only day that was blessed.
Deny the Sabbath, deny creation, deny the Creator.
You told me that you are looking for the truth, but you have already decided what the truth should look like when you discover it. The Jews were waiting for Jesus, and they had already decided what Jesus would be like before they even met him. So when the truth was revealed, it disappointed them and so they rejected it, and tried to destroy it.
Anyway, one can only lead a horse to the water, but cannot make the horse drink.
No, it isn't something I "already decided," it is simply this: I recognized Truth when I finally found it and to this day continue to drink deeply of this refreshing Water of Life.

“Adonai / Ha Mashiach Yeshua ”

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GrammyJoanne wrote:
<quoted text>No, it isn't something I "already decided," it is simply this: I recognized Truth when I finally found it and to this day continue to drink deeply of this refreshing Water of Life.
Amen my friend and I know that you enjoy life to the fullest! Life is better with Jesus.

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Lori norskigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Amen my friend and I know that you enjoy life to the fullest! Life is better with Jesus.
Hi, Lori!:)

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