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#41 Oct 1, 2012
InCrEaSe_ThE_PeAcE wrote:
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100% many islands doesn't make sense but 100% Polynesian does. The name Africa is said to have derived from the latin word for dust (*Afar). But to be called 100% African still makes sense does it not?? Maybe to your simple mind this simple logic may not compute but to the rest of us its fine :)
BTW How can it make more sense when you're not even a real King?? LOL
Well, I figured it was only fitting to claim King of Many Islands for I am a descendant of Tonga, the Warriors that ruled all its surrounding islands hence "many islands".... LOL

It just so included Samoa, your beloved island. LOL

Since: Nov 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#42 Oct 1, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I figured it was only fitting to claim King of Many Islands for I am a descendant of Tonga, the Warriors that ruled all its surrounding islands hence "many islands".... LOL
It just so included Samoa, your beloved island. LOL
So what?? Samoa (Manu'a) had influence over other islands too, including your beloved island (LOL). But I guess you'd get annoyed at us trying to proclaim ourselves as KINGS of Polynesia am I right?? LOL Hypocrite...

Another issue is that the word King itself is a Palagi term never used by any Tongan, Samoan, Fijian etc before contact. So why not Tu'i??

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#43 Oct 1, 2012
InCrEaSe_ThE_PeAcE wrote:
<quoted text>
So what?? Samoa (Manu'a) had influence over other islands too, including your beloved island (LOL). But I guess you'd get annoyed at us trying to proclaim ourselves as KINGS of Polynesia am I right?? LOL Hypocrite...
Another issue is that the word King itself is a Palagi term never used by any Tongan, Samoan, Fijian etc before contact. So why not Tu'i??
it's only silly figure of speech. Don't take it to your fatu, uso. LOL

Since: Nov 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#44 Oct 1, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>it's only silly figure of speech. Don't take it to your fatu, uso. LOL
You were so caught up on etymology before so I decided to quiz.

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#45 Oct 1, 2012
InCrEaSe_ThE_PeAcE wrote:
<quoted text>
You were so caught up on etymology before so I decided to quiz.
smart guy. LOL

“Super Progressive AA Chick”

Since: Aug 12

Really?

#46 Oct 1, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
Exactly been trying to tell all these islands that all Polynesian means is many islands... a dumb categorization of us by some dumb azz palagi.
So if anyone claims to be 100% Polynesian; they're only claiming to be 100% "many islands"...
even TOA and many of these dumb lafaz keep bringing up this Polynesia and Melanesia bs up... smmfh.. finally shed some light on these apes. LOL
But your name is POLY King???

So what should the entire group be called? Pacific Islanders? South Pacific Islanders? Because it's ridiculous to go around saying Samoans, Tongans, Fijians, etc. Who has that kind of time? lol

That would be like going around saying Texans, Californians, Louisianans, etc.(all 50 states), instead of just saying Americans. If the term "Polynesian" is unsatisfactory, what should I call you all, in your opinion?

Since: Nov 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#47 Oct 1, 2012
ClassyInHtown wrote:
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But your name is POLY King???
So what should the entire group be called? Pacific Islanders? South Pacific Islanders? Because it's ridiculous to go around saying Samoans, Tongans, Fijians, etc. Who has that kind of time? lol
That would be like going around saying Texans, Californians, Louisianans, etc.(all 50 states), instead of just saying Americans. If the term "Polynesian" is unsatisfactory, what should I call you all, in your opinion?
Polynesian is fine. Don't worry about that Polo King homo.

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#48 Oct 2, 2012
ClassyInHtown wrote:
<quoted text>
But your name is POLY King???
So what should the entire group be called? Pacific Islanders? South Pacific Islanders? Because it's ridiculous to go around saying Samoans, Tongans, Fijians, etc. Who has that kind of time? lol
That would be like going around saying Texans, Californians, Louisianans, etc.(all 50 states), instead of just saying Americans. If the term "Polynesian" is unsatisfactory, what should I call you all, in your opinion?
If you're in the South Pacific and mention "Islanders"; it's common knowledge even to Palagis that you are referring to Samoa, Tonga, Fiji etc - only SOUTH PACIFIC Islands; NOT Asian Pacific Countries [HUGE difference].

In saying the above; F-O-B only refers to Tongans and Samoans as I have never ever known of Fijians to be labelled as 'FOBS'.

I don't know what term Americans use to refer from those hailing from the Carribean, but I'm sure it's something that is commonly acknowledged as such on that end of the Globe.

“Super Progressive AA Chick”

Since: Aug 12

Really?

#49 Oct 2, 2012
Soraia wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're in the South Pacific and mention "Islanders"; it's common knowledge even to Palagis that you are referring to Samoa, Tonga, Fiji etc - only SOUTH PACIFIC Islands; NOT Asian Pacific Countries [HUGE difference].
In saying the above; F-O-B only refers to Tongans and Samoans as I have never ever known of Fijians to be labelled as 'FOBS'.
I don't know what term Americans use to refer from those hailing from the Carribean, but I'm sure it's something that is commonly acknowledged as such on that end of the Globe.
Maybe it's common knowledge in your neck of the woods, but here in the US, people don't care to take the time to learn what "labels" are acceptable. They look at your skin color and physical features and automatically assume you're something else. They'd call a Melanesian, African-American or black and they'd call a Samoan a Latino or Asian...lol

Most black people in this country have European and/or Native American ancestors, but if your skin is dark, you're just "black" to them.

Yes, people here are that ignorant.

I, on the other hand, like to take the time to get to know who people are and what they prefer to be called.

We call people from the Carribean, Carribeans...lol

Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it.:)

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#50 Oct 2, 2012
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
I see.
I think there is a major mis-understanding on the part about Fiji being under the yoke of the union jack.
Fijians are not proud, we are humble.
You see my friend, Fijians did not actualy suffer under the union jack, infact it prospered! That is why some people regreted gaining independence! Chiefs were educated in Oxford University in England one of which became a leader of fiji(Ratu Sukuna). The friendship grew to the point where black birders were brought to work the plantations instead of local labourers, many of whom have descendants still living at home! It even went to the point where Indians were brought to meet the shortages in the growing industries.
Fijians were infact very fond of the Queen, and she was also fond of Fiji. Fijians volunteered to fight in the first world war but was denied, due to the abhored idea of exploiting Fijians. European populations were instead enlistered and fought under the Fijian banner in fritzenburg, galipoli.
But Fijians were persistent for service, and some fought under the French foreign leagion where some Fijians recieved the highest military medals in France for valour in the battle field.
WWII, Fijians fought in many famous battles where soldiers got Victoria crosses.
I guess what I'm saying is, we don't have the same experiences with the kai valagi. Fijians are still fighting under the union jack in england. It is said that the number of Fijians currently serving with the british army, is equivalent if not more than Fiji military forces, and thats not counting the ones in the brit SAS which is 20% of the SAS population.
We loved the queen, for she bore the title of Tui Viti,(the king of Fiji) when it was ceded. And she treated us as her people.
This white man pingpong is my kai from Savusavu in Cakaudrove! Thats also the province where I'm from.
That a good story but void of reality.

The British refined colonization but the time they ceaded fiji, where in America, Aotearoa, Havaii, Samoa, Africa and India where they lost mass amounts of lives from battles. You under mine how awful Black birding was for fiji, the reality was the they dileberatly kidnapped and forced hundreds of Viti on to ships and in unknown countries where they were harshly treated. The journey from fiji to the colonies killed a quater of the slaves due to dehydration and hunger, by the time they reached countries like australia they were denied basic human rights as non-whites were not considered humans during that era.

In fiji at the time the british ceaded Fiji very easily because they had perfected colonization. They took lands without permission and grew plantations making a tone of money and not a single dime was given to traditional owners, the natives were under strict control and were gathered into isolated commmunities something they failed to do in other colonies, Fijians were oblivious of the world that was spinning around them.Because the fijians were so isolated and under strict supervision under the commonwealth they purposely infected natives with messels and in 1875 one third of fijis population were killed and because they were isolated medical services were denied.The populations was then replaced with Indians who worked the new sugar industry. The british did the same thing with Delaware Indians by infecting blankets with smallpox and once the population was gone they easily took the land, this was more affective than wasting bullets and losing man power.
They creat the problem than presented themselves as the solution, creating the need for native like viti by creating the illusion of being comrades but in reality were systematically being removed from lands for profit without conflict and thats exactly what occured in Fiji.

Since: Jun 12

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#51 Oct 2, 2012
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
I see.
I think there is a major mis-understanding on the part about Fiji being under the yoke of the union jack.
Fijians are not proud, we are humble.
You see my friend, Fijians did not actualy suffer under the union jack, infact it prospered! That is why some people regreted gaining independence! Chiefs were educated in Oxford University in England one of which became a leader of fiji(Ratu Sukuna). The friendship grew to the point where black birders were brought to work the plantations instead of local labourers, many of whom have descendants still living at home! It even went to the point where Indians were brought to meet the shortages in the growing industries.
Fijians were infact very fond of the Queen, and she was also fond of Fiji. Fijians volunteered to fight in the first world war but was denied, due to the abhored idea of exploiting Fijians. European populations were instead enlistered and fought under the Fijian banner in fritzenburg, galipoli.
But Fijians were persistent for service, and some fought under the French foreign leagion where some Fijians recieved the highest military medals in France for valour in the battle field.
WWII, Fijians fought in many famous battles where soldiers got Victoria crosses.
I guess what I'm saying is, we don't have the same experiences with the kai valagi. Fijians are still fighting under the union jack in england. It is said that the number of Fijians currently serving with the british army, is equivalent if not more than Fiji military forces, and thats not counting the ones in the brit SAS which is 20% of the SAS population.
We loved the queen, for she bore the title of Tui Viti,(the king of Fiji) when it was ceded. And she treated us as her people.
This white man pingpong is my kai from Savusavu in Cakaudrove! Thats also the province where I'm from.
Fijians soldiers were not prohibited because the british valued them, its was because the era believed that blacks were inferior to whites and believed that blacks would undermine military operations aboard thus they were kept as reserves, this happened to African Americans, Aboriginals and Native Americans.The Fijians who served in the Great Wars did not serve cause of a love for the british empire, But because most of them were victims of Black Birding or decsended for slaves who were working in Australia, New Zealand and Britian who were for the first time given the freedom to return back to the homeland of Fiji and in August 1914 over 400 Viti joined the Legion of Frontiersmen joined the Samoan Advance force of the NZEF in Suva, as it was on its way to Samoa from fiji. It is this force that evict the germans out of Samoa and later return to NZ to be deployed to gallipoli as corvey labourers. In suva and levuka at this time the cadet corps was being raised and what would be the foundation of what would now become the FDF.the Secretary of State for the Colonies gave his consent for the raising of a contingent, and applications were called only for fmen between the ages of 18 and 38 and of pure "European descent". You ask why europeans, despite fijis excelent force they assemble in such short time as well as fiji's long history in combat the whites still believed that they would comprimise operations because they were black.

-Kidnapp and Slavery.
-The Palagi's threaten Fiji with war for $5,000 in 1851
-1855 USS John Adams kill Fijians than demand $44,000 for compensation for destruction they caused.
-1858 Cakobau offers to sell the islands to the U.K after being threatened again by the Palagi.
-1867 Levuka is shelled by the Palagis.
-1875 40,000 Viti are killed after puposely been given messels.
-1918 14% of Fijian population disappear after Spanish Flu.

After all these lives were lost for the sake of there empire.Your still going to bow and serve, spitting on the graves of your own Kai defend someone who profitted the most from Viti oppression.

LMAO- At least im not a sellout.

Since: Apr 12

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#52 Oct 2, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
<quoted text>
That a good story but void of reality.
The British refined colonization but the time they ceaded fiji, where in America, Aotearoa, Havaii, Samoa, Africa and India where they lost mass amounts of lives from battles. You under mine how awful Black birding was for fiji, the reality was the they dileberatly kidnapped and forced hundreds of Viti on to ships and in unknown countries where they were harshly treated. The journey from fiji to the colonies killed a quater of the slaves due to dehydration and hunger, by the time they reached countries like australia they were denied basic human rights as non-whites were not considered humans during that era.
In fiji at the time the british ceaded Fiji very easily because they had perfected colonization. They took lands without permission and grew plantations making a tone of money and not a single dime was given to traditional owners, the natives were under strict control and were gathered into isolated commmunities something they failed to do in other colonies, Fijians were oblivious of the world that was spinning around them.Because the fijians were so isolated and under strict supervision under the commonwealth they purposely infected natives with messels and in 1875 one third of fijis population were killed and because they were isolated medical services were denied.The populations was then replaced with Indians who worked the new sugar industry. The british did the same thing with Delaware Indians by infecting blankets with smallpox and once the population was gone they easily took the land, this was more affective than wasting bullets and losing man power.
They creat the problem than presented themselves as the solution, creating the need for native like viti by creating the illusion of being comrades but in reality were systematically being removed from lands for profit without conflict and thats exactly what occured in Fiji.
Your acounts are fraudulant!
Understand from today and forever more, Fijians were never enslaved in the black birding! The entire pacific including South American Indians were stolen and enslaved as black birders except for fijians!! History records, the black birders attempted to raid isolated islands in Lau, and were reppelled, they had to throw out goods to make their schooners move quicker to avoid getting palleted with stones and clubs!
In Fiji, you will find descendents of Chilean Indian workers, Solomons, Polynesian, and Indian workers!
Fijians were never black birdered, due to their infamous lazy laid back lifestyle, and their warlike temper! White people have been beaten to death for simply touching fijian hair(Thomas Baker)! A fleet of French ships were captured and slaughtered in Viwa island!
The disease that ravaged the Islands began a village quarantine that lasted for decades carried out by british physicians to care for Fijians!
You see 'vasa', Fijians loved the brits. Something foreign to your people, which is why you dished out on them! What they did to Samoans were terrible! But know this, it was the European population of the Fiji army that freed Samoa, and captured the German flag! Those whites are now Fijian mixed! I guess living with Fijians changed their steriotypes?
When the catholic pope came to Fiji, he saw the friendship between the Fijians and the brits that he uttered the famous words,'Fiji, the way the world should be'! Pride is a Fijian swear word! It was cursed on Semisi Fifita in Fiji, and banished to New Caledonia! Be humble man!'Ramusu, kamusu', raised shoulders are broken shoulders!

Since: Apr 12

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#53 Oct 2, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
<quoted text>
Fijians soldiers were not prohibited because the british valued them, its was because the era believed that blacks were inferior to whites and believed that blacks would undermine military operations aboard thus they were kept as reserves, this happened to African Americans, Aboriginals and Native Americans.The Fijians who served in the Great Wars did not serve cause of a love for the british empire, But because most of them were victims of Black Birding or decsended for slaves who were working in Australia, New Zealand and Britian who were for the first time given the freedom to return back to the homeland of Fiji and in August 1914 over 400 Viti joined the Legion of Frontiersmen joined the Samoan Advance force of the NZEF in Suva, as it was on its way to Samoa from fiji. It is this force that evict the germans out of Samoa and later return to NZ to be deployed to gallipoli as corvey labourers. In suva and levuka at this time the cadet corps was being raised and what would be the foundation of what would now become the FDF.the Secretary of State for the Colonies gave his consent for the raising of a contingent, and applications were called only for fmen between the ages of 18 and 38 and of pure "European descent". You ask why europeans, despite fijis excelent force they assemble in such short time as well as fiji's long history in combat the whites still believed that they would comprimise operations because they were black.
-Kidnapp and Slavery.
-The Palagi's threaten Fiji with war for $5,000 in 1851
-1855 USS John Adams kill Fijians than demand $44,000 for compensation for destruction they caused.
-1858 Cakobau offers to sell the islands to the U.K after being threatened again by the Palagi.
-1867 Levuka is shelled by the Palagis.
-1875 40,000 Viti are killed after puposely been given messels.
-1918 14% of Fijian population disappear after Spanish Flu.
After all these lives were lost for the sake of there empire.Your still going to bow and serve, spitting on the graves of your own Kai defend someone who profitted the most from Viti oppression.
LMAO- At least im not a sellout.
Lmao haha.
That might be true for dark complexion were discriminated back then! But that was not the case with Fijian my friend... The gorvener thurstan was the man who outlawed the exploitation of non-europeans living within fiji's territories whether Tongan or Samoa or Solomon! If your home was Fiji, you were free! This is true, written in Fiji's national anthem!
Whites were not all bad! They are human with feelings! Lmao!

Since: Jun 12

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#55 Oct 3, 2012
If you want more and are not satisfied, i can give you more and more and more.

But your can save my tim ejust by googling Fiji Blackbirding, Fiji slaves ect.

Seriously Chainsawed.

Since: Apr 12

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#56 Oct 3, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
If you want more and are not satisfied, i can give you more and more and more.
But your can save my tim ejust by googling Fiji Blackbirding, Fiji slaves ect.
Seriously Chainsawed.
Don't bother trying to make fijians look like what you thought we were! You're just angry at whites! But understand that whites aren't hated in Fiji, or anyother race for a matter of fact! Even the Indians are loved, but they are just unlovable at times. End of discussion! Soifua.

Since: Jan 11

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#57 Oct 3, 2012
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't bother trying to make fijians look like what you thought we were! You're just angry at whites! But understand that whites aren't hated in Fiji, or anyother race for a matter of fact! Even the Indians are loved, but they are just unlovable at times. End of discussion! Soifua.
For a whole Century Native Fijians wouldn't even touch Indians with a 10 foot pole. They would NEVER ever hook up. I guess things have changed now with the new/younger Generations but even then; it's still pretty uncommon.

Since: Jun 12

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#58 Oct 3, 2012
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't bother trying to make fijians look like what you thought we were! You're just angry at whites! But understand that whites aren't hated in Fiji, or anyother race for a matter of fact! Even the Indians are loved, but they are just unlovable at times. End of discussion! Soifua.
KavaFarmer.

No disrespect for the Viti or to your lack in pride of it. But i was merely stating the simple fact, which you would not disagree with and it is this:

The events and history of Ancient Fiji occured long before a european ever sighted the Pacfic Ocean.

Europeans first settle in Levuka in 1822. By this time whatever empire fiji had dwindled and disappeared during the 13th century, this is hundreds of years before europeans settle in fiji.

Europeans are indiginous to the European continent and are not Native to any are west.

So how is it that a person who was niether there nor his ancestors, able to claim the history and achievements of a race that did not know a white man?

Europeans are not Fijian, Is this not true? No Tui'viti, Cakobau or Bati were ever european, No Drua was ever built or sailed by a european and no European contributed to this Fijian empire.

So how can Tom, who is niether Fijian, niether Polynesian or Micronesian critize others for not being pure blood, when doesnt even have a single drop?

And no he is not your brother, your are far to late to claim this worm cause everyone here already knows his a palagi. And you continue to shot yourself in the foot beating around the bush with me.
Thats rigt "Soifua" cause thats how all our debates finish, cause i can already count the number of times i have silenced you.

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#59 Oct 5, 2012
ClassyInHtown wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe it's common knowledge in your neck of the woods, but here in the US, people don't care to take the time to learn what "labels" are acceptable. They look at your skin color and physical features and automatically assume you're something else. They'd call a Melanesian, African-American or black and they'd call a Samoan a Latino or Asian...lol
Most black people in this country have European and/or Native American ancestors, but if your skin is dark, you're just "black" to them.
Yes, people here are that ignorant.
I, on the other hand, like to take the time to get to know who people are and what they prefer to be called.
We call people from the Carribean, Carribeans...lol
Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it.:)
Interesting ...

All my life - it doesn't matter where in the World I am - Whenever I come across Palagi Americans; they instantly know I am Samoan. Most will just say, "Talofa!" first off no questions asked, lol.

Shux; even Palagis know a real Samoan when they see one, LMAO.
TEEstrong

United States

#60 Oct 5, 2012
Soraia wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're in the South Pacific and mention "Islanders"; it's common knowledge even to Palagis that you are referring to Samoa, Tonga, Fiji etc - only SOUTH PACIFIC Islands; NOT Asian Pacific Countries [HUGE difference].
In saying the above; F-O-B only refers to Tongans and Samoans as I have never ever known of Fijians to be labelled as 'FOBS'.
I don't know what term Americans use to refer from those hailing from the Carribean, but I'm sure it's something that is commonly acknowledged as such on that end of the Globe.
this depends where your at.. in the states even asians use the term fobs for their own people..

“Super Progressive AA Chick”

Since: Aug 12

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#61 Oct 5, 2012
Soraia wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting ...
All my life - it doesn't matter where in the World I am - Whenever I come across Palagi Americans; they instantly know I am Samoan. Most will just say, "Talofa!" first off no questions asked, lol.
Shux; even Palagis know a real Samoan when they see one, LMAO.
I guess you've never been to Texas.

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