Uiha

Sunnyvale, CA

#150 Jan 6, 2013
Taupoimasina wrote:
haha please stop the nonsense of a so called tongan empire. THAT is just a theory espoused by some papalagi as some form of justification of a so called "tongan expansionism." Conjecture...loose theories at best without solid evidence to support it. If it were the case and your dimwitted statements espouse....a THOUSAND years??? HAHAHA! Nikkaaa puhleze!!...IF that were the case, the entire pasefika would be speaking and practicing tongan language and customs. Your thoughts are so scattered and that is so evident of the scatterbrain that you prove yourself to be.
Another thing fool....Ma'afu was not Tu'i as you would like to fabricate. He was not called Tu'i Ma'afu....but he essentially was kingly in every way. I will agree that he was a fearless and powerful warlord. However, his presence in Fiti was by design and not by accident. If all things considered, Ma'afu actually would or could aspire to being or achieving the TU'IKANOKUPOLU title...because of his lineage and relative connection to the line and to Taufa'ahau Tupou I....they were blood related....they were family. HOWEVER, Furthermore, if a contention for the crown were to be considered...Ma'afu would have been Tupou Uluaki's greatest contender. Why was he in Fiti? Because Taufa'ahau Tupou I sent him there to protect so called, "tongan interests"....which kept Ma'afu quite busy and away. However, Ma'afu became quite powerful in his own right in Fiti because of his fearless fighting and warring campaigns(and without a doubt political influences by the Wesleyan Mission...rather, its missionaries at that time, whom to a point most likely took advantage of these rivalries between some fijian chiefs amongst themselves, and fijian chiefs against Ma'afu and espoused Ma'afu's campaigns as one supported or sanctioned by the church).
Especially with tensions between Ma'afu and Cakombau who at the time was also considered or placed himself as Vunivalu...TuiViti.
u all ain't readin the whole page n u monkees don't understand anything about royalty,when a Tu'i is crowned ,he then have to become aware of any threat to his rule ,either he would anihilate his enemies if they don't pledge their allegience,or they would be sent packin out to sea,n he also has to keep an eye on his siblings who sum of them would kill in order to inherit the crown,Taufa'ahau ,a direct descendant of Tu'i Ta Ufa(ufa killer)who reign supreme in upolu n his lineage durring the Tongan occupation n enslavement of simoland fo 500 years,he sent Ma'afu under the guise of protecting Tongan interest Fiji packin,n with that threat gone he turned his attention to his people n instead of kiss @ssin to a foreign power who all the people of Tonga thought would colonize them like Tahiti by the french n simoland by the germans then the americans,the great Taufa'ahau picked up a handful of Tongan soil n proclaimed God n Tonga is our inheritance,now all u monkees understand lots of rouge Tongan nobles n siblings of Tu'i Tonga want power in their hands rihgt there n then so they turned to the sea with their tautahi supported by the Tu'i Tonga knowin if these rogue princes n their nobles r successful the Tu'i Tonga becomes more powerful n every one is happy thus an empire is born for 1000 years ,n i tell u it doesn't take a professor to understand this ,u nigguhs don't understand because u all fight over villages we fight over whole countries n conquered simoland,99.9% of simoyans is descendants of Tongan To'as from the fakatonga breedin program that was engineered by the Tongans durring the Tongan occupation,thank u veli masi

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#151 Jan 8, 2013
plNGPong wrote:
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No I dont think I so slave
I am a free citizen unlike all you slaves of a so called "King" collecting money off the weak citizen who serves with absolute loyalty.
Uiha

Mountain View, CA

#152 Jan 8, 2013
soia wrote:
<quoted text>I am a free citizen unlike all you slaves of a so called "King" collecting money off the weak citizen who serves with absolute loyalty.
a citizen of a foreign power with a foreign flag over your capitol,u free but your heart is not it yearns for an independant simoya,pathetic oppressed cowards

“MASINA”

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#153 Jan 8, 2013
Uiha wrote:
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ehhhh what nonsense....ROTFL!
tukuaaa ho fkmaumau taimi....hehehe
Uiha

Mountain View, CA

#154 Jan 8, 2013
Taupoimasina wrote:
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ehhhh what nonsense....ROTFL!
tukuaaa ho fkmaumau taimi....hehehe
just going by the facts,the Tongans in the outer islands of fiji speaks a dialect of Tongan n fijian language mixed n it is based on the Tongan language,just like simoyan it is a dialect of Tongan n plilpino language mixed thus the simoyan language based on the Tongan language

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#155 Jan 8, 2013
Uiha wrote:
<quoted text>just going by the facts,the Tongans in the outer islands of fiji speaks a dialect of Tongan n fijian language mixed n it is based on the Tongan language,just like simoyan it is a dialect of Tongan n plilpino language mixed thus the simoyan language based on the Tongan language
a dialect of Tongan? yet the Royal Tongan Family do not speak your inferior "dialect.....lol

“MASINA”

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#156 Jan 8, 2013
Uiha wrote:
<quoted text>just going by the facts,the Tongans in the outer islands of fiji speaks a dialect of Tongan n fijian language mixed n it is based on the Tongan language,just like simoyan it is a dialect of Tongan n plilpino language mixed thus the simoyan language based on the Tongan language
Sorry bout it...Samoan language is not a dialect of Tongan language.
Tongan language has borrowed heavily from both Samoan and Fijian cultures and languages. In fact, Tongan language is more similar to Samoan because of that very Tongan BORROWING.

Uiha

Mountain View, CA

#157 Jan 8, 2013
Taupoimasina wrote:
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Sorry bout it...Samoan language is not a dialect of Tongan language.
Tongan language has borrowed heavily from both Samoan and Fijian cultures and languages. In fact, Tongan language is more similar to Samoan because of that very Tongan BORROWING.
simoyan language originally asian n the original inhabitants when the Tongans arrived were pilipino lookin simos now the simoyan language n the simoyan people is Tongan based mixed with a little pilipinoan from 500 years of Tongan occupation n colonizing n the fakatongan breedin program engineered by the Tongan To'as that injected them sunga virgins with superior sperm that formed the simoyan's present appearance as Tongan,facts of life

“MASINA”

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#158 Jan 8, 2013
Uiha wrote:
<quoted text>simoyan language originally asian n the original inhabitants when the Tongans arrived were pilipino lookin simos now the simoyan language n the simoyan people is Tongan based mixed with a little pilipinoan from 500 years of Tongan occupation n colonizing n the fakatongan breedin program engineered by the Tongan To'as that injected them sunga virgins with superior sperm that formed the simoyan's present appearance as Tongan,facts of life
Naaahh...those aren't facts.
Do me a big favor okay? Come back and discuss something of substance when you have completed your evolutionary development from the CroMagnon stage to something believable and representational of humankind.
TongaSamoa

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#159 Jan 8, 2013
hhhhhh.hihihi.. Malie Taupoimasina (ggggdughter of tu'i Tonga Kau'ulufonua Fekai).Keep protecting r pride. lov u.

“MASINA”

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#160 Jan 8, 2013
TOA wrote:
I have something I want to address with everybody on here who are well versed in Samoan and Tongan History especially you MASINA.
* Now, we already know about the Samoan connections/origins of Tui Tonga and Tui Kanokupolu but what I want to address deals with an individual clan.
* What I wanted to address is the ancient family CLAN that was established by the original MALIETOA's such as SAVEA and GANASAVEA. There Clan was known as the SAGANA Clan literally meaning the CLAN OF GANA originating from Malietoa GANASAVEA etc....
Malietoa Ganasavea had 6 sons who are still known today as the FALE ONO O LE ATI GANA. The House of 6 of the GANA Clan etc... etc... etc.....
To cut a long story short the GANA CLAN of Malietoa may have found there way to TONGA. Now I am only thinking out loud but feel free to tell me what you think after.
Did the 6 sons of Malietoa Ganasavea find there way to Tonga? Did the Malietoa (GANA) CLAN establish themselves in Tonga? Is there a connection between the Gana Clan of Malietoa and the Gana Clan of Tonga?
* In Tonga there is an ancient clan known as the Ha'a Ngana meaning the Clan of Ngana but its origins are not really known. The Ngana Clan in Tonga became powerful Chiefs in Haapai as well as Uiha and so forth.
Did the SAGANA CLAN of Malietoa find there way to Tonga hence the Ha'a Ngana Clan of Tonga?
Feel free to comment
SOIFUA
Thanks for raising this question TOA.
TOA, I certainly do believe that there is a real and possible connection historically and genealogically....
because it is considered ...so called ancient, most of the time one would relegate it to myth and legend.

I don't understand why it is that most of the time, there seems to exist this "UNKNOWN" factor when it comes to explicating the origin of a name...title,an event etc

*****

The 20th Tu'i Tonga Tatafu'eikimeimu'a had two sons...
(eldest)Ngana 'Eiki(Eikimeimu'a) and (younger) Nganatatafu. Ngana 'Eiki heard of the beauty of a Samoan taupou of 'Aleipata-Upolu...named Sina-Hina. He decided that he was going to woo her and set off for Samoa. Before heading to his journey, he stopped at Ha'ano to pick up his brother Nganatatafu.

to be continued

“MASINA”

Since: Jul 10

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#161 Jan 9, 2013
Taupoimasina wrote:
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Thanks for raising this question TOA.
TOA, I certainly do believe that there is a real and possible connection historically and genealogically....
because it is considered ...so called ancient, most of the time one would relegate it to myth and legend.
I don't understand why it is that most of the time, there seems to exist this "UNKNOWN" factor when it comes to explicating the origin of a name...title,an event etc
*****
The 20th Tu'i Tonga Tatafu'eikimeimu'a had two sons...
(eldest)Ngana 'Eiki(Eikimeimu'a) and (younger) Nganatatafu. Ngana 'Eiki heard of the beauty of a Samoan taupou of 'Aleipata-Upolu...named Sina-Hina. He decided that he was going to woo her and set off for Samoa. Before heading to his journey, and setting sail from Tongatapu he stopped at Ha'ano in Ha'apai to pick up his brother Nganatatafu.
to be continued
Ngana 'Eikimeimu'a sought his brother not only for the journey, but most likely because Nganatatafu was according to the story an able navigator.

What is this story essentially about? It is a romantic story...tale/folklore with historical underpinnings.

It reflects on an important event, the gifting of the Atu by Sina of Upolu, her instructions regarding the proper manner in which to fish/catch her Atu,(which of course reflects the samoan tradition and technique of catching the atu....as villagers in times of yore came together to do so, it is also about the TU'IHA'AGANA and MALUPO titles that emerged from it...etc

“MASINA”

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#162 Jan 9, 2013
TongaSamoa wrote:
hhhhhh.hihihi.. Malie Taupoimasina (ggggdughter of tu'i Tonga Kau'ulufonua Fekai).Keep protecting r pride. lov u.
lol...just trying to keep it real with Uiha atamai vaivai...hehehe

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#163 Jan 9, 2013
Taupoimasina wrote:
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Ngana 'Eikimeimu'a sought his brother not only for the journey, but most likely because Nganatatafu was according to the story an able navigator.
What is this story essentially about? It is a romantic story...tale/folklore with historical underpinnings.
It reflects on an important event, the gifting of the Atu by Sina of Upolu, her instructions regarding the proper manner in which to fish/catch her Atu,(which of course reflects the samoan tradition and technique of catching the atu....as villagers in times of yore came together to do so, it is also about the TU'IHA'AGANA and MALUPO titles that emerged from it...etc
there is a Manua story regarding this Sina you are referring to here. This Sina is actually Laulu's sister the tautai of the TuiManua. That story explains the journey of Laulu to Fiji to fetch the auamanu(fishnet) of the TuiManua that was stolen by TuiFitis people. On this journey all of Laulus crew including himself died hence the proverb...tagisia e laulu se vaa ia goto...on the last journey of this trip Laulu pushed his sister on the apikagalu towards Palauli as he was dying. Before he died he had requested his sister to make sure the fishnet would be taken back to TuiManua. Sina on this trip married Lilomaiava of Palauli ....as she was roaming the forest in search of a plant to safeguard the auamanu , she met Aafia a half goast half human in the forest...she end up marrying him and gave birth to a son ...Tautunu. Well She end up leaving the forest because her son keeps nagging to want to visit a smooth flat place (ocean) he had seen while climbing the tree tops...hence the proverb...ia manatua aafia isi on a vao...Sina came back to Palauli and stayed with Lilomaiava. The boy still nagging to go to the ocean so Sina gave him the Aauamanu in which he became a great fishermen then one day Sina asked him to honor her brothers wish and take the fishnet back to TuiManua. As Tautunu was about to leave, he parted a piece of the auamanu...potopoto o le atu at her mother pool.....I know I know I am not a great story teller...there are many things I did not include from the beginning of the Journey in Manua and what happened in Fiji and the escape to Samoa......lol
Uiha

Sunnyvale, CA

#164 Jan 9, 2013
soia wrote:
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there is a Manua story regarding this Sina you are referring to here. This Sina is actually Laulu's sister the tautai of the TuiManua. That story explains the journey of Laulu to Fiji to fetch the auamanu(fishnet) of the TuiManua that was stolen by TuiFitis people. On this journey all of Laulus crew including himself died hence the proverb...tagisia e laulu se vaa ia goto...on the last journey of this trip Laulu pushed his sister on the apikagalu towards Palauli as he was dying. Before he died he had requested his sister to make sure the fishnet would be taken back to TuiManua. Sina on this trip married Lilomaiava of Palauli ....as she was roaming the forest in search of a plant to safeguard the auamanu , she met Aafia a half goast half human in the forest...she end up marrying him and gave birth to a son ...Tautunu. Well She end up leaving the forest because her son keeps nagging to want to visit a smooth flat place (ocean) he had seen while climbing the tree tops...hence the proverb...ia manatua aafia isi on a vao...Sina came back to Palauli and stayed with Lilomaiava. The boy still nagging to go to the ocean so Sina gave him the Aauamanu in which he became a great fishermen then one day Sina asked him to honor her brothers wish and take the fishnet back to TuiManua. As Tautunu was about to leave, he parted a piece of the auamanu...potopoto o le atu at her mother pool.....I know I know I am not a great story teller...there are many things I did not include from the beginning of the Journey in Manua and what happened in Fiji and the escape to Samoa......lol
their is a story of a great Tu'i Ta Ufa(ufa killer)that reign supreme in upolu durring the Tongan occupation of simoya for 500 years ,and one incident during one oh the inasi ceremony held once a year,that evening at the malae after all the simoyan chiefs thruout upolu had paid their tribute(taxes),TTu'i Ta Ufa(ufa killer) had a big fire built n then he took a big siko n he ordered the chefs to line up n stick their hand in the the siko n tell Tui Ta Ufa(ufa killer)how it smell n the first chief stuck his hand in the siko n said it smell like the perfumes of the gods n Ta Ufa ordered him to stand by the fire n the second chief stick his hand in the siko n said it smell like themost fragrant flower in polynesia he stood by the fire n so on the chiefs said it smell wonderful then the last chief of Tongan descent stick his hand in the siko n said Tu'i Ta Ufa your siko smell straight siko n Ta Ufa laugh n said to chief aana u sit n eat with me ,n throw all those kiss@ssers in the fire just a little history my grandfather told ,i thought u might want ot learn

“MASINA”

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#165 Jan 9, 2013
Uiha wrote:
<quoted text>their is a story of a great Tu'i Ta Ufa(ufa killer)that reign supreme in upolu durring the Tongan occupation of simoya for 500 years ,and one incident during one oh the inasi ceremony held once a year,that evening at the malae after all the simoyan chiefs thruout upolu had paid their tribute(taxes),TTu'i Ta Ufa(ufa killer) had a big fire built n then he took a big siko n he ordered the chefs to line up n stick their hand in the the siko n tell Tui Ta Ufa(ufa killer)how it smell n the first chief stuck his hand in the siko n said it smell like the perfumes of the gods n Ta Ufa ordered him to stand by the fire n the second chief stick his hand in the siko n said it smell like themost fragrant flower in polynesia he stood by the fire n so on the chiefs said it smell wonderful then the last chief of Tongan descent stick his hand in the siko n said Tu'i Ta Ufa your siko smell straight siko n Ta Ufa laugh n said to chief aana u sit n eat with me ,n throw all those kiss@ssers in the fire just a little history my grandfather told ,i thought u might want ot learn
Ehhhhhhh...another baseless fairy tale from the poofter fairy.
TongaSamoa

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#166 Jan 9, 2013
Uiha wrote:
<quoted text>their is a story of a great Tu'i Ta Ufa(ufa killer)that reign supreme in upolu durring the Tongan occupation of simoya for 500 years ,and one incident during one oh the inasi ceremony held once a year,that evening at the malae after all the simoyan chiefs thruout upolu had paid their tribute(taxes),TTu'i Ta Ufa(ufa killer) had a big fire built n then he took a big siko n he ordered the chefs to line up n stick their hand in the the siko n tell Tui Ta Ufa(ufa killer)how it smell n the first chief stuck his hand in the siko n said it smell like the perfumes of the gods n Ta Ufa ordered him to stand by the fire n the second chief stick his hand in the siko n said it smell like themost fragrant flower in polynesia he stood by the fire n so on the chiefs said it smell wonderful then the last chief of Tongan descent stick his hand in the siko n said Tu'i Ta Ufa your siko smell straight siko n Ta Ufa laugh n said to chief aana u sit n eat with me ,n throw all those kiss@ssers in the fire just a little history my grandfather told ,i thought u might want ot learn
hehehehehehe...Thanks for the laugh.lol I love the Pacific humour. I really enjoy it,'Uiha and TaupoiMasina
Uiha

Sunnyvale, CA

#167 Jan 9, 2013
Taupoimasina wrote:
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Ehhhhhhh...another baseless fairy tale from the poofter fairy.
tuna n fata n safata n ama r descendants of Tongan fakatonga breeding program that went on in simoya for 500 years by the Tautahi elites to produce huge amount of Tongan blood throughout simoya,it is a common practice of a conquering people to inject their superior sperm everywhere they conquered,the romans the british n naoplean n his french men all spewed their superioir sperm everywhere they went,cause they were conquerers,it was their right ,n most of the time the women of the conquered country or island offered themselves freely to partake of the superior sperm,facts of human nature mofos

“MASINA”

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#168 Jan 9, 2013
Uiha wrote:
<quoted text>tuna n fata n safata n ama r descendants of Tongan fakatonga breeding program that went on in simoya for 500 years by the Tautahi elites to produce huge amount of Tongan blood throughout simoya,it is a common practice of a conquering people to inject their superior sperm everywhere they conquered,the romans the british n naoplean n his french men all spewed their superioir sperm everywhere they went,cause they were conquerers,it was their right ,n most of the time the women of the conquered country or island offered themselves freely to partake of the superior sperm,facts of human nature mofos
Oh give it a rest...your sperm tales are way too boring.
Tsk...tsk...tsk...UNFORTUNATEL Y, your COMMONER sperm doesn't count for shiet. The only conquering,breeding,sperm injection you'd be doing is with the maggots. hehehe

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#169 Jan 9, 2013
Uiha wrote:
<quoted text>tuna n fata n safata n ama r descendants of Tongan fakatonga breeding program that went on in simoya for 500 years by the Tautahi elites to produce huge amount of Tongan blood throughout simoya,it is a common practice of a conquering people to inject their superior sperm everywhere they conquered,the romans the british n naoplean n his french men all spewed their superioir sperm everywhere they went,cause they were conquerers,it was their right ,n most of the time the women of the conquered country or island offered themselves freely to partake of the superior sperm,facts of human nature mofos
500 in DOG years?????...in Tonga those dogs would not even last a day....lol

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