Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#271 Jan 14, 2013
soia wrote:
<quoted text>Fitiaumua got his name for being a ruthless warrior who came in on Fiji and attacked with great wrath....He was called in fiji a warrior who is of great strength and might unmatched by anyone hence his name fiti au mua.
Now for him being a Fijian is for youse to debate...

But being a warrior that fought in Fiji and was unmatched is just dog shit in its purest form!!

That was what he was called in fiji? Now where did you get that from?? Fijians themselves couldn't even conqure fiji, and neither did the togans nor the british! It was Christianity!! It had to be an ideology, not force! We had force in abundance!

Where in Fiji did he fight? I have a feeling he was the opposite of what you're saying! He may have been a fiti amongst some that lived in Samoa, and he rose up the ranks in Samoa giving him the title of being the 'first among fitis', Fitiaumua! Thats the fijian definition of the word!

Now hows that for a theory! See how quick it is to change and distort the truth for your own gain and pride? Thats what youse and Toa are doing, oblivious to the fact that we can see what you device clearly!
TongaSamoa

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#272 Jan 14, 2013
soia wrote:
<quoted text>Fitiaumua got his name for being a ruthless warrior who came in on Fiji and attacked with great wrath....He was called in fiji a warrior who is of great strength and might unmatched by anyone hence his name fiti au mua.
Soia, thanks for telling the truth that Fitiaumua of Samoa was Fijian Warrior who happened to rule Samoa.
Poly

Auckland, New Zealand

#273 Jan 14, 2013
stopit wrote:
<quoted text>
Kava can have Fitiaumua if he likez..my point is Tuimanua and his ancestors came from Tonga!!!So which is it?Youse came from heaven or maggots??You need to realize Fitiaumua was a foreigner,that settled in manua...his kids would've been samoan/fijian...not him!!Cry me a river that Fitiaumua wasn't a samoan hahaha lol
*I have never denied the existence of Tuimanua,but he didn't have an empire...is what i'm saying!!!
*My fananga is just as valid as Tuimanua... You samoanz came from Tonga...period!! It's either my story,or Kavafarmer is your daddy lmao hehe
se aua le ika...want some fa'ausi LOL....
stopit where's the proof that Samoans come Tonga?? Remember the Lapita people ain't Polynesian. So where the proof. Regarding the "people came from maggots"; that was a Tongan creation story of how its people came to be; not a Samoan one.
Poly

Auckland, New Zealand

#274 Jan 14, 2013
soia wrote:
<quoted text>...this fiji part ...i must disagree....
Fitiaumua is the child of Tula Taane and Tula Fafine of Manu'a. Taema and Tilafaigas mother is Faifaitama'i (fitiaumua's brother) who married Faifaimalie of Pulotu Tonga. Taema and Moamoanius daughter Nafanua got her uncles war club "the ANAVATAU" to defeat the A'ea i Sasa'e and therefore set her father free..
I don't get it. Yes the ANAVA-TAU is the war club but it is said it was Te'o Napoailenu'u from Satalo, Falealili who wielded this war club and cause the A'ea i Sasa'e boarders to shift to it's current location.

Te'o's igoaipus are:

1) Anavataua (He was the bearer of the war-club that shifted boundries)

2) Fasialipia (Alipia was Tuamasaga's warrior that Te'o defeated)

Fa'alupega: Satalo
http://books.google.co.nz/books...
plNGPong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#275 Jan 14, 2013
Taupoimasina wrote:
<quoted text>
Your STUPIDITY...again precedes your IGNORANCE.
These are not fijian names. Most importantly, they were SAMOANS.
Plz stop stealing fijian warlord name haha I know 300 years is a long time yes it was true we favored tongans more and past on power to tui tonga for 500years but hey so what if we told tongans to enslave you we just need you to build our empire. In return we fijian lived with our tongan half breed for 800 years or 25 generation hahaha. You see now we fijian has always pulled the strings its just that tongans are seen as equals. Did you know tongan lived like kings thanks to your hard work building our warship.

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#276 Jan 14, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Now for him being a Fijian is for youse to debate...
But being a warrior that fought in Fiji and was unmatched is just dog shit in its purest form!!
That was what he was called in fiji? Now where did you get that from?? Fijians themselves couldn't even conqure fiji, and neither did the togans nor the british! It was Christianity!! It had to be an ideology, not force! We had force in abundance!
Where in Fiji did he fight? I have a feeling he was the opposite of what you're saying! He may have been a fiti amongst some that lived in Samoa, and he rose up the ranks in Samoa giving him the title of being the 'first among fitis', Fitiaumua! Thats the fijian definition of the word!
Now hows that for a theory! See how quick it is to change and distort the truth for your own gain and pride? Thats what youse and Toa are doing, oblivious to the fact that we can see what you device clearly!
Kava Farmer

You stated: See how quick it is to change and distort the truth for your own gain and pride? Thats what youse and Toa are doing.

My reply: The difference between me and you Kava Farmer is I dont twist or make up my own version of History, for everything I say on here can be verified through various different sources.

It is actually you and many of your fellow Tongans who seem to love distorting the truth for self gain and pride.

* Look at the Tongans, despite the writings of various Tongan Historians/Scholars who all verify the Tui Manu'a Empire of Samoa they still sit there and try to deny it. The writings of George Tupou 1 verifying that Samoa is where the rulers of Tonga sprang/originated from (See Below).

TONGA, JANUARY 6TH, 1843.

* I George, having just returned from Samoa, think proper to inform you of the reason of my voyage there, and the cause of my interfering with the people of Samoa. The relationship of Tonga and Samoa people has been of old. From thence (Samoa) sprang our progenitors, the governing families of Tonga, as the family of Tui Tonga and Tui Kanokupolu.

Despite all this evidence Tongans on these forums are still in Denial.

* In reference to you Kava Farmer you also seem to love twisting/making up stories for example:

1) The other day you sat here and tried to lie by claiming that Tui Manu'a was called Le Fiti (The Fijian) when in reality Le Fiti is a chiefly title that was created by a Tui Manu'a.

2) Without any evidence to support your claims you sit here and try to claim Tagaloa as having some type of origin in Fiji even going to the extreme by trying to claim Degei is Tagaloa.

* Various Historians claim that Tagaloa's original home was the Manu'a Islands of Samoa and there is so much evidence to support these claims including titles:

Samoa:

1) The first Tui Atua (Upolu) carried the name/title Tagaloa Tupua aka Lu O Tagaloa.

2) The first Tui Manu'a carried the name/title Tae O Tagaloa.

3) Pili the son of Tui Manu'a carried the name/title Tagaloa Aopo.

* To make things more interesting is the residence of the Tagaloa Chiefs above were all known as LAGI.

Kava Farmer if Tagaloa has origins in Fiji what evidence do you have to support your claims? Also there is old stories of Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa regularly visiting Fiji for his sister was married to a Tui Fiti. Could Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa have been the first Tagaloa Chief in Fiji? Another Tui Manu'a who.was known to travel to Fiji was Tui Manu'a Salofi etc..... etc.....
stopit

Australia

#277 Jan 14, 2013
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Kava Farmer
You stated: See how quick it is to change and distort the truth for your own gain and pride? Thats what youse and Toa are doing.
My reply: The difference between me and you Kava Farmer is I dont twist or make up my own version of History, for everything I say on here can be verified through various different sources.
It is actually you and many of your fellow Tongans who seem to love distorting the truth for self gain and pride.
* Look at the Tongans, despite the writings of various Tongan Historians/Scholars who all verify the Tui Manu'a Empire of Samoa they still sit there and try to deny it. The writings of George Tupou 1 verifying that Samoa is where the rulers of Tonga sprang/originated from (See Below).
TONGA, JANUARY 6TH, 1843.
* I George, having just returned from Samoa, think proper to inform you of the reason of my voyage there, and the cause of my interfering with the people of Samoa. The relationship of Tonga and Samoa people has been of old. From thence (Samoa) sprang our progenitors, the governing families of Tonga, as the family of Tui Tonga and Tui Kanokupolu.
Despite all this evidence Tongans on these forums are still in Denial.
* In reference to you Kava Farmer you also seem to love twisting/making up stories for example:
1) The other day you sat here and tried to lie by claiming that Tui Manu'a was called Le Fiti (The Fijian) when in reality Le Fiti is a chiefly title that was created by a Tui Manu'a.
2) Without any evidence to support your claims you sit here and try to claim Tagaloa as having some type of origin in Fiji even going to the extreme by trying to claim Degei is Tagaloa.
* Various Historians claim that Tagaloa's original home was the Manu'a Islands of Samoa and there is so much evidence to support these claims including titles:
Samoa:
1) The first Tui Atua (Upolu) carried the name/title Tagaloa Tupua aka Lu O Tagaloa.
2) The first Tui Manu'a carried the name/title Tae O Tagaloa.
3) Pili the son of Tui Manu'a carried the name/title Tagaloa Aopo.
* To make things more interesting is the residence of the Tagaloa Chiefs above were all known as LAGI.
Kava Farmer if Tagaloa has origins in Fiji what evidence do you have to support your claims? Also there is old stories of Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa regularly visiting Fiji for his sister was married to a Tui Fiti. Could Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa have been the first Tagaloa Chief in Fiji? Another Tui Manu'a who.was known to travel to Fiji was Tui Manu'a Salofi etc..... etc.....
sole,i keep asking you...print the whole letter??I'm not in denial...Samoa is mommy,Tonga is daddy!!

Manua was settled by pre-Tonganz...your first rulers were TONGANZ,FIJIANZ...TA'E 'O TANGALOA was a Tangaloa...the inhabitants of manua were of Tangaloa...Your so called empire were Tonganz...hmmm why is manua different from samoa in everything they do?? coz they original Tonganz...that's why they keep quiet and fufu in the corner...

*some people say Tuiatua and Tuiaana is more ancient than Tuimanua..according to their fananga ahahaaaaa lmaooo haha ... they could be right??according to my fananga there is a connection....what's interesting is that Pili called himself Tagaloaaopo lol was he trying to revive something??

does it matter if a Fijian came and took over the tuimanua title?lmao lol..

Manua was where the Tangaloa people first settled in samoa..before they spreaded to savaii etc...the rest of your samoa'atoa..

I'm your daddy Toa..not Fiji...well,youse had an affair later...alofa atu son hehehe..
stopit

Australia

#279 Jan 14, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Now for him being a Fijian is for youse to debate...
But being a warrior that fought in Fiji and was unmatched is just dog shit in its purest form!!
That was what he was called in fiji? Now where did you get that from?? Fijians themselves couldn't even conqure fiji, and neither did the togans nor the british! It was Christianity!! It had to be an ideology, not force! We had force in abundance!
Where in Fiji did he fight? I have a feeling he was the opposite of what you're saying! He may have been a fiti amongst some that lived in Samoa, and he rose up the ranks in Samoa giving him the title of being the 'first among fitis', Fitiaumua! Thats the fijian definition of the word!
Now hows that for a theory! See how quick it is to change and distort the truth for your own gain and pride? Thats what youse and Toa are doing, oblivious to the fact that we can see what you device clearly!
...you mean the first foreigner to hold the Tuimanua title ahahaaaa lol se aua le ika my samoan children we same aiga man hehe...
hardly

Wellington, New Zealand

#278 Jan 14, 2013
Tongans are pretty much descendants of Samoa and came from Samoa. That is why Tonga is called Tonga Tapu or Sacred South eventhough they migrated long ago,Samoa still honored them as brothers from the Holy Sacred South -but then became mixed up with Fijian blood, thus making Tonga what it is today. As the graceful dances of Tonga come from Samoa so does it's warrior displays come from Samoa, Fiji and Uvea/Futuna.

There are three forms/dialects of the Tongan language. Royalty, Noble/Chief, Commoner jargon. The Royalty dialect or form of speaking is pretty much more related to Samoan language rather then the Tongan: and most commoners barely understand so they must learn and rehearse it before approaching royalty. The noble way of talking sounds like Uvea/Futuna speaking. And of course the commoner language that everyone speaks.
stopit

Australia

#280 Jan 14, 2013
Poly wrote:
<quoted text>
stopit where's the proof that Samoans come Tonga?? Remember the Lapita people ain't Polynesian. So where the proof. Regarding the "people came from maggots"; that was a Tongan creation story of how its people came to be; not a Samoan one.
say fa'amolemole for deleting my postz then i'll talk to you hihihi look properly,maggots are in samoa also!!!we are the people of Tangaloa,not Polynesianz...

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#281 Jan 14, 2013
STOP IT

Again you have no evidence to support your claims because your version of History was made up by YOU and only YOU. Let me show you again the writings of those who major in Polynesian History:

Its interesting because according to those who major in the subject and actually studied it for years they state the following:

TUI MANU'A EMPIRE (MAHINA)

* Over time and space, Tongan society became more settled, shaped strictly by both internal pressure and external influences. The external influences came in the form of imperial activities beginning with the Tui Pulotu empire in Fiji and followed by the Tui Manua empire in Samoa. In other words, Tonga was under considerable influence from the imperialism of both Fiji and Samoa. However, Tonga was able to free herself through bitter and bloody wars from the imperial domination of the Tui Manua -- which eventually led to the formation of the Tui Tonga empire around AD 950 in the person of Ahoeitu, the first Tui Tonga -- whose father was a deified Samoan high chief, Tangaloa Eitumātupua, and mother a Tongan woman, Vaepopua, of great noble birth. This double origin entitled the Tui Tonga to hold both divine and secular offices. In principle, the close cultural and historical interlinkages between Fiji, Samoa and Tonga were essentially elitist, involving the intermarriage between regional aristocratic families. However, the rise and fall of these regional empires took place well before the contact with Europe.

TUI MANU'A EMPIRE (TALIAI)

The sociopolitical region of Samoa Atoa: included Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, Rarotonga, Tahiti, and Wahua, which all had to bring Tu'i Manu'a 'umiti = food tributes. All these islands were known as Samoa Atoa when coming together but were considered as tribes when coming together forcefully opposing one another as each one trying to establish a social recognition within the dominion of the Tu'i Manu'a.

* Ahoeitu

In historical terms, food is a sociopolitical means of personal struggle for power. Like fishing, the moheofo food of Va'epopua (mother of 1st Tui Tonga Ahoeitu) is bait which was used to catch the highest sacred royal blood of the Tu'i Manu'a. But at the cost of making the local Tongan descent group the peito, the low-ranking.

Tala E Fonua: Tongan traditional history (Book)

* Tale E Fonua details the linkages resulting from the political hegemony of influential leaders: The Tui Manu'a symbolically represented by numerous long distance two way, west/east, north/south voyages which reinforced his rule throughout Samoa and beyond Samoa to Fiji, Tonga, Uvea, Futuna, further Eastward to the Cooks, Marquesas etc.. etc.. etc....

TUI KANOKUPOLU GEORGE TUPOU 1 (KING OF TONGA):

* I George, having just returned from Samoa, think proper to inform you of the reason of my voyage there, and the cause of my interfering with the people of Samoa. The relationship of Tonga and Samoa people has been of old. From thence (Samoa) sprang our progenitors, the governing families of Tonga, as the family of Tui Tonga and Tui Kanokupolu.

TUI KANOKUPOLU SALOTE TUPOU (QUEEN OF TONGA):

* It is not known for certain when the title Tui Kanokupolu came into general use, but it must have been very near the beginning. It is derived from a Samoan word a'ano, meaning flesh or center, and Upolu, one of the main islands of Samoa.

* The first Tui Kanokupolu Ngata started off with only 5 main lines which consisted of the Fale Ha'akili, Mariners, Undertakers, Falefa Hihifo and Falefa Uta. All 5 lines consisted of nothing but SAMOANS.

STOP IT:

According to those who major in Polynesian History and also those of Royalty Samoa was the father and mother of TONGAN KINGS AND QUEENS for example:

* The first Tui Tonga Ahoeitu's father was a powerful Samoan Chief who carried the name Tagaloa.

* The first Tui Kanokupolu Ngata's mother was a Samoan women of rank who requested her family to move to Tonga to support her and Ngata.
stop lying

Auckland, New Zealand

#282 Jan 14, 2013
stopit wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you gonna give me a pusa pisupo and elegi for being a good story-teller?!I don't need to try,Your first rulers that brought law and order were Tongan warlords... Tonga and samoa were led by two brothers...their father was Tangaloa!!He wasn't a god,he was the King that steered our people to the pacific...now tell me where you people came from???coz the only one i've heard descending from the sky was jesus...after he was crucified!!...and Tangaloa and Mauiz dayz was way before that...so tell me what i'm pepelo about??Let me say it again,samoa was settled by Tongan colonistzzzzz.... enlighten me with your samoan fananga where you came from??Don't tell me you fell off the sky or you grew out of maggots....which is it??Unless you're direct descendants of satan...when he was chucked down from heaven??? hehe haha lol...
*I don't need to prove nothing,just trying to let youse know Tonga and samoa started with two brothers...now you know the connection between Tonga and samoa... you people keep saying,Tonga and samoa are the same people...yet youse have no specific reason why???LMAOOO LOL.... what?Are we related coz we are brown??ahahaaaa lmaoo lol se valea!!! My fananga changes for no-one,just be grateful i gave youse a sample of the real story!!!
You are the number 1 good creative story teller on topix nowadays..i love reading your lunchtime stories...lol

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#283 Jan 14, 2013
TOA wrote:
<quoted text>
Kava Farmer
You stated: See how quick it is to change and distort the truth for your own gain and pride? Thats what youse and Toa are doing.
My reply: The difference between me and you Kava Farmer is I dont twist or make up my own version of History, for everything I say on here can be verified through various different sources.
It is actually you and many of your fellow Tongans who seem to love distorting the truth for self gain and pride.
* Look at the Tongans, despite the writings of various Tongan Historians/Scholars who all verify the Tui Manu'a Empire of Samoa they still sit there and try to deny it. The writings of George Tupou 1 verifying that Samoa is where the rulers of Tonga sprang/originated from (See Below).
TONGA, JANUARY 6TH, 1843.
*
Despite all this evidence Tongans on these forums are still in Denial.
* In reference to you Kava Farmer you also seem to love twisting/making up stories for example:
1) The other day you sat here and tried to lie by claiming that Tui Manu'a was called Le Fiti (The Fijian) when in reality Le Fiti is a chiefly title that was created by a Tui Manu'a.
2) Without any evidence to support your claims you sit here and try to claim Tagaloa as having some type of origin in Fiji even going to the extreme by trying to claim Degei is Tagaloa.
* Various Historians claim that Tagaloa's original home was the Manu'a Islands of Samoa and there is so much evidence to support these claims including titles:
Samoa:
1) The first Tui Atua (Upolu) carried the name/title Tagaloa Tupua aka Lu O Tagaloa.
2) The first Tui Manu'a carried the name/title Tae O Tagaloa.
3) Pili the son of Tui Manu'a carried the name/title Tagaloa Aopo.
* To make things more interesting is the residence of the Tagaloa Chiefs above were all known as LAGI.
Kava Farmer if Tagaloa has origins in Fiji what evidence do you have to support your claims? Also there is old stories of Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa regularly visiting Fiji for his sister was married to a Tui Fiti. Could Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa have been the first Tagaloa Chief in Fiji? Another Tui Manu'a who.was known to travel to Fiji was Tui Manu'a Salofi etc..... etc.....
Listen mate, for some odd reason, you seem forget the fact that Fiji is located in the West and Samoa in the East! People migrated Eastward from the west... Its either Tagaloa came from Fiji or he came from Micronesia, or even the Solomon Islands... Which could explain why some Samoans here are really fond of the Solomons! If you say he came from the clouds, you might need to visit a shrink. Haha.

Its just common sense man!! What solidifies this point is the fact that the earliest settlements in Samoa, were Fititai(across from Fiji) and Fitiluma (back towards Fiji). That means that they came from Fiti! Is that too complicated to understand? Drink some water and re-read it again! Drink Fiji water, best in the world! Haha.

Look, the Lefiti thing was relayed to me by my Samoan aiga... Whether he is fiti or not, it does not exclude the fact that he was named after Fiti... If you say its because he fought in fiji and kicked ass blah blah blah is just not true... And why would you call yourself after a place where your so called enemies lived?? That is some messed up theory! lol.

Don't advertise your knowledge based on sources that was initially derived from folklore to reprove our folklore, when it is obvious it was written predominantly with Samoan based stories! Most of which is biased towards Samoa. And you think that because it is published, it is therefore irrefutable facts!? Its just thesis work written by people who were more interested in achieving an academic rank. Most of the things you spill out from those source have yet to be supported by neighboring islands, in-fact, we see that it is contradictory!

Now I ask you... What does the word 'Tagaloa' mean in Samoan?

“MASINA”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#284 Jan 14, 2013
stopit wrote:
<quoted text>
Kava can have Fitiaumua if he likez..my point is Tuimanua and his ancestors came from Tonga!!!So which is it?Youse came from heaven or maggots??You need to realize Fitiaumua was a foreigner,that settled in manua...his kids would've been samoan/fijian...not him!!Cry me a river that Fitiaumua wasn't a samoan hahaha lol
*I have never denied the existence of Tuimanua,but he didn't have an empire...is what i'm saying!!!
*My fananga is just as valid as Tuimanua... You samoanz came from Tonga...period!! It's either my story,or Kavafarmer is your daddy lmao hehe
se aua le ika...want some fa'ausi LOL....
try to get your own shiet together bud, and keep on dreaming because TUIMANU'A did not come from Tonga and neither did it begin in Tonga as you continue to convince yourself with your own delusions. HAHA! Keep your fananga which has no importance, meaning or weight or standing.
Hahahaha nice try!

se aua le aivalea...hehehe
ouaaaaa e kohu!
No thanks...you can eat the fa'ausi...Mr. Mata'i'usi valengagau. ROTFL...to that!

“MASINA”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#285 Jan 14, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh absolutely! I am proud to belong to fijians, and will voice it in defence of my quiet and peaceful people! And you and I know very well that Fijians are the most humble people out there.
I guess what I meant by the ghost analogy is that Fijians have had the reputation of popping up in your history without any warning or reason. They just happened to be there in the moment and left with no footprints. Nearly every dominant figure in the history of Tonga and Samoa have had a Fijian twist in it! And we Fijians do not even know about it, neither did the Fijians that were involved, told or boast about it! It just simply erode with time, as if it had no significance to them.
So, you understand what I meant with being ghost like?
Hmmmm....I don't think I have personally disagreed at Viti and Samoa sharing an ancient...prehistory contact....or having some intertwined history and the like.

“MASINA”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#286 Jan 14, 2013
soia wrote:
<quoted text>...this fiji part ...i must disagree....
Fitiaumua is the child of Tula Taane and Tula Fafine of Manu'a. Taema and Tilafaigas mother is Faifaitama'i (fitiaumua's brother) who married Faifaimalie of Pulotu Tonga. Taema and Moamoanius daughter Nafanua got her uncles war club "the ANAVATAU" to defeat the A'ea i Sasa'e and therefore set her father free..
Hmmmm..so Lets agree to disagree then...lol
wow

Auckland, New Zealand

#287 Jan 14, 2013
stopit wrote:
<quoted text>sole,i keep asking you...print the whole letter??I'm not in denial...Samoa is mommy,Tonga is daddy!!

Manua was settled by pre-Tonganz...your first rulers were TONGANZ,FIJIANZ...TA'E 'O TANGALOA was a Tangaloa...the inhabitants of manua were of Tangaloa...Your so called empire were Tonganz...hmmm why is manua different from samoa in everything they do?? coz they original Tonganz...that's why they keep quiet and fufu in the corner...

*some people say Tuiatua and Tuiaana is more ancient than Tuimanua..according to their fananga ahahaaaaa lmaooo haha ... they could be right??according to my fananga there is a connection....what's interesting is that Pili called himself Tagaloaaopo lol was he trying to revive something??

does it matter if a Fijian came and took over the tuimanua title?lmao lol..

Manua was where the Tangaloa people first settled in samoa..before they spreaded to savaii etc...the rest of your samoa'atoa..

I'm your daddy Toa..not Fiji...well,youse had an affair later...alofa atu son hehehe..
Pretentious lies
stopit

Australia

#288 Jan 14, 2013
@Toa

Is your movie on repeat lol..you need Tonganz to tell you your history,where did your Tongan scholarz get their fananga from..as for a tuimanua empire??Another fananga,thanks to the internet samoans realize that there is a fananga called tuimanua empire.Every samoan i've met in my life,never heard of a samoan empire,even those that grew up in sa sayz tuimanua is just a samoan chief..nothing else lol.. but you should get a matai title for giving samoanz hope that youse had a fairytale empire ha ha ha.Your scholarz just talks around Ahoeitu,hard to believe your scholars didn't say where samoanz or Tonganz came from??I don't care about Tuimaufa or Tuitogakae,my point is these two royal lines are descendants of the two brothers that started the rule in Tonga and samoa!!!

how was your fananga of tuimanua recorded,a chief gave a verbal fananga to a missionary,or a whiteman who was shipwrecked etc..printed onto paper then became a fact.. something like that aye?! i'm thinking of getting my fananga printed...by a whiteman lol...
wow

Auckland, New Zealand

#289 Jan 14, 2013
KavaFarmer wrote:
<quoted text>Listen mate, for some odd reason, you seem forget the fact that Fiji is located in the West and Samoa in the East! People migrated Eastward from the west... Its either Tagaloa came from Fiji or he came from Micronesia, or even the Solomon Islands... Which could explain why some Samoans here are really fond of the Solomons! If you say he came from the clouds, you might need to visit a shrink. Haha.

Its just common sense man!! What solidifies this point is the fact that the earliest settlements in Samoa, were Fititai(across from Fiji) and Fitiluma (back towards Fiji). That means that they came from Fiti! Is that too complicated to understand? Drink some water and re-read it again! Drink Fiji water, best in the world! Haha.

Look, the Lefiti thing was relayed to me by my Samoan aiga... Whether he is fiti or not, it does not exclude the fact that he was named after Fiti... If you say its because he fought in fiji and kicked ass blah blah blah is just not true... And why would you call yourself after a place where your so called enemies lived?? That is some messed up theory! lol.

Don't advertise your knowledge based on sources that was initially derived from folklore to reprove our folklore, when it is obvious it was written predominantly with Samoan based stories! Most of which is biased towards Samoa. And you think that because it is published, it is therefore irrefutable facts!? Its just thesis work written by people who were more interested in achieving an academic rank. Most of the things you spill out from those source have yet to be supported by neighboring islands, in-fact, we see that it is contradictory!

Now I ask you... What does the word 'Tagaloa' mean in Samoan?
You make some valid points in your argument kava. I see the logic in your theory.

The only thing missing is the evidence to support your theory. If you can prove it
stopit

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#290 Jan 14, 2013
stop lying wrote:
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You are the number 1 good creative story teller on topix nowadays..i love reading your lunchtime stories...lol
lol..thanks,you love it coz its real lmao.. stop lying now lol...i know you ika,don't eat while reading.k...might choke hehe.

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