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#41
Jun 17, 2013
 
uiha wrote:
<quoted text>facts i got facts u open the polynesian history books u will read about a Tongan paramount empire ruled by the great Tu'i Tongas where dignitaries from all over polynesia including fisi n ha'amoa paying (taxed)to the great Tu'i Tonga at the time of captain Cook who wrote it down in his journal n also u will read that Tonga was ruler of simoland fo 600 years n the great warlord Ma'afu almost conquered all of Fiji if it wasn't for Cakobau runnin to the british n giving fisi to british hands ,n tu'i manure was a just a tall tale (fanaga)who gathered rocks n gave to the simos to wipe they filth stinkin size 70xxx mulis n then look into the rocks after n they will see tu'i manure in its original form ,pathetic subjects of Tonga once upon a time true facts n i kno u all can agree to this true facts
Western Samoa is tongan slaves their marked with the tattoo you gave them. Fiji used to own samoa all of it then we gave it to the tui tonga. 500 years has past and the point is if you need the funding or stuff you know who to call you tongan gave us what we wanted women we got what we came for we fijian wanted war you gave us that you gave us women and hookers good deal for both race which formed a new race tongafisi. All hail tongafisi all hail tongafisi.
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#42
Jun 17, 2013
 
Manuatele wrote:
Polynesians and Melenesians did not have a written language. However what they had were historical artifacts and history passed down orally through generations. You would need to travel to Manu'a, Rarotonga, Tonga and Tahiti to speak with people there, look at language similaritites, and look further into history and the ancient titles (I.e Tui Tonga, Tui Fiti, etc) to understand. Throughout Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands and some extent Tahiti, they refer to Manu'a as the spiritual center; where they came from. In tracing the Lapita people and pottery, one can find artifacts in Manu'a and Samoa going back 3,000 years. You can find ancient tools made in Tutu'ila and distributed from Manu'a to the rest of the eastern Polynesian islands. And lastly, many chiefly titles in the eastern and nothern Polynesia islands trace their roots from Manu'a, including the Tui Tonga chiefly title. Speak to the current Tongan King or princesses who trace their lineage to Samoa and with marriages to Fijians. Not just to Samoa but specifically Manu'a. Go to Tuvalu, to the tokelaus and to Pukapuka whom all trace their lineage to Samoa but specifically Manu'a.
An empire does not need to be one similar to the Roman empire where they had solders that conqured and ruled areas of land and people. The Manu'a Empire was one of influence and one that had control from trade and spiritual sense.
We welcome you to Manu'a to learn more anout ancient history. The term "Manuatele" refers to 'the greater Manu'a' or the Manu'a Empire as you would describe it.
all this is heresay ,the Tongan empire is well documented n the enslavement of simoland by Togans fo 600 years allthough u numnuts say it was 400 years ,but it really was 600 years is documented in simoland as a dark shameful part of u monkeys history,now Tohuia is a descendant of Tu'i Ta Ufa(ufa Killer) that reign supreme in upolu during the Tongan occupation,when he came to power he kicked all the simos n kept those that can work n the women that can breed n all the sunga virgins which the Tu'i n his Tongan To'as began deflowering n when these sunga virgins n able bodied women concieved they little Tongans everywhere in upolu n when these half tongan virgins were of age they were then deflowered n when they cocieved ,they offspring is 3/4 Tongan n so on n so on,it was called the FakaTonga breeding program,n so upolu was a Tongan colony where it was used by the Tongan royalties whenever they visit simoland ,they were recieved in upolu,where they helped in planning the overview of simoland
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#43
Jun 17, 2013
 
Manuatele wrote:
Polynesians and Melenesians did not have a written language. However what they had were historical artifacts and history passed down orally through generations. You would need to travel to Manu'a, Rarotonga, Tonga and Tahiti to speak with people there, look at language similaritites, and look further into history and the ancient titles (I.e Tui Tonga, Tui Fiti, etc) to understand. Throughout Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands and some extent Tahiti, they refer to Manu'a as the spiritual center; where they came from. In tracing the Lapita people and pottery, one can find artifacts in Manu'a and Samoa going back 3,000 years. You can find ancient tools made in Tutu'ila and distributed from Manu'a to the rest of the eastern Polynesian islands. And lastly, many chiefly titles in the eastern and nothern Polynesia islands trace their roots from Manu'a, including the Tui Tonga chiefly title. Speak to the current Tongan King or princesses who trace their lineage to Samoa and with marriages to Fijians. Not just to Samoa but specifically Manu'a. Go to Tuvalu, to the tokelaus and to Pukapuka whom all trace their lineage to Samoa but specifically Manu'a.
An empire does not need to be one similar to the Roman empire where they had solders that conqured and ruled areas of land and people. The Manu'a Empire was one of influence and one that had control from trade and spiritual sense.
We welcome you to Manu'a to learn more anout ancient history. The term "Manuatele" refers to 'the greater Manu'a' or the Manu'a Empire as you would describe it.
Manu empire is fijian empire you understand that tittle was from tui viti the 2nd bloodline all you samoa must stop claiming it. Its fijian the people who has the tittle are of fijian ancestory in samoa and the last tui manu died with the tittle have some repsect you all wanabe fijian if I'm bs I would say manu is the 8th fijian empire in samoa so stop with your lies you from that bloodline who rule samoa. Alright you have no fking kings or Queens they were either fijian or tongan.
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#44
Jun 17, 2013
 
600 years of samoa is tongan history we fijian lived with them in samoa to make sure we stand out we fijian and tongan who lived with the tui tonga made them slaves tonga made a new tattoo and mark the samoan with it they then was taken by fijian warlords and put to work building fijian and tongan warship for the invasion of tahiti and cookisland its clear and simple. Before tongan it was fijian rule with our empires. Only one people we fijian see worthy is the kai tonga they master the fijian blood like true arayan. We only see Tonga as equal then any other smelly polynesian in our waters they ran a empire with fijian.
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#45
Jun 17, 2013
 
Before tui tonga it was all fijian who rule all of samoa for 700 years its written in fijian history of samoa in fiji. Then from there tui tonga with fijian war lords created the tongafisi empire of tonga by the tui tonga.
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#46
Jun 17, 2013
 
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Manu is a fijian tittle you faggort all the tittle holders of that came from fiji then all the house holds of fiji and tonga became the same family who ruled vast areas fiji had 7 empires and tonga had one with the 10 th tui tonga who enslaved samoa you faggort. How many times do I have to tell you tui manu tittle came back he was son of the tui viti you sona.
So what planet are you from? You sound like the typical, hard ass wannabe fagot who's brains are smaller than your balls.

Read up on your history and stop ready the tea leaves from shanghi or the UK.

Fijians were originally Polynesians who came from Malaysia/Indonesia and east Asia (i.e. Taiwan). The Melanesians came afterwards.

It's nice to dialog with intelligent people, unfortunately, you my dear only had a 5th grade education. Once you've reach a more university graduate level, we can dialog like adults. Until then, continue to play with you little peewee until you grow up. And finally, have some intellectual manners.
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#47
Jun 17, 2013
 
Oh... and it's not "manu" birdbrain... it's "Manu'a". Don't forget the "a" at the end.

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#48
Jun 17, 2013
 
Samoa moni wrote:
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So what planet are you from? You sound like the typical, hard ass wannabe fagot who's brains are smaller than your balls.
Read up on your history and stop ready the tea leaves from shanghi or the UK.
Fijians were originally Polynesians who came from Malaysia/Indonesia and east Asia (i.e. Taiwan). The Melanesians came afterwards.
It's nice to dialog with intelligent people, unfortunately, you my dear only had a 5th grade education. Once you've reach a more university graduate level, we can dialog like adults. Until then, continue to play with you little peewee until you grow up. And finally, have some intellectual manners.
Hahaha donít mind Ping Pong , obviously his oral history link to his ancestral family has lead him one-sided conclusion and Pride, blinded him to further his knowledge to all Polynesian overall chorological history .hence why has brought rather fictional informationís and yet not evidence to prove his outcome though another Post Topic (if there is one ).

Since: May 13

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#49
Jun 17, 2013
 
Samoa moni wrote:
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So what planet are you from? You sound like the typical, hard ass wannabe fagot who's brains are smaller than your balls.
Read up on your history and stop ready the tea leaves from shanghi or the UK.
Fijians were originally Polynesians who came from Malaysia/Indonesia and east Asia (i.e. Taiwan). The Melanesians came afterwards.
It's nice to dialog with intelligent people, unfortunately, you my dear only had a 5th grade education. Once you've reach a more university graduate level, we can dialog like adults. Until then, continue to play with you little peewee until you grow up. And finally, have some intellectual manners.
Thanks for your contribution to the thread.it's the first time I've ever heard that theory but I guess everyones opinion is different.

Since: May 13

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#50
Jun 17, 2013
 
uiha wrote:
<quoted text>facts i got facts u open the polynesian history books u will read about a Tongan paramount empire ruled by the great Tu'i Tongas where dignitaries from all over polynesia including fisi n ha'amoa paying tribute (taxed)to the great Tu'i Tonga at the time of captain Cook who wrote it down in his journal n also u will read that Tonga was ruler of simoland fo 600 years n the great warlord Ma'afu almost conquered all of Fiji if it wasn't for Cakobau runnin to the british n giving fisi to british hands ,n tu'i manure was a just a tall tale (fanaga)who gathered rocks n gave to the simos to wipe they filth stinkin size 70xxx mulis n then look into the rocks after n they will see tu'i manure in its original form ,pathetic subjects of Tonga once upon a time true facts n i kno u all can agree to this true facts
Thank you for your contribution to this thread.

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#51
Jun 17, 2013
 
Manuatele wrote:
Polynesians and Melenesians did not have a written language. However what they had were historical artifacts and history passed down orally through generations. You would need to travel to Manu'a, Rarotonga, Tonga and Tahiti to speak with people there, look at language similaritites, and look further into history and the ancient titles (I.e Tui Tonga, Tui Fiti, etc) to understand. Throughout Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands and some extent Tahiti, they refer to Manu'a as the spiritual center; where they came from. In tracing the Lapita people and pottery, one can find artifacts in Manu'a and Samoa going back 3,000 years. You can find ancient tools made in Tutu'ila and distributed from Manu'a to the rest of the eastern Polynesian islands. And lastly, many chiefly titles in the eastern and nothern Polynesia islands trace their roots from Manu'a, including the Tui Tonga chiefly title. Speak to the current Tongan King or princesses who trace their lineage to Samoa and with marriages to Fijians. Not just to Samoa but specifically Manu'a. Go to Tuvalu, to the tokelaus and to Pukapuka whom all trace their lineage to Samoa but specifically Manu'a.
An empire does not need to be one similar to the Roman empire where they had solders that conqured and ruled areas of land and people. The Manu'a Empire was one of influence and one that had control from trade and spiritual sense.
We welcome you to Manu'a to learn more anout ancient history. The term "Manuatele" refers to 'the greater Manu'a' or the Manu'a Empire as you would describe it.
Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
Polynesian Intellectuals

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#52
Jun 17, 2013
 
pingpingpong wrote:
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Manu is a fijian tittle you faggort all the tittle holders of that came from fiji then all the house holds of fiji and tonga became the same family who ruled vast areas fiji had 7 empires and tonga had one with the 10 th tui tonga who enslaved samoa you faggort. How many times do I have to tell you tui manu tittle came back he was son of the tui viti you sona.
Dear Mr/Mrs. Pingpingpong (who). The topic of this thread was "Tui Manu'a Empire - Real or Fake?". It was not a topic to be discussed where you're dear ego is offended and you start talking about what titles and empires come first, or last. Secondly, you need to read more and stop assuming "i.e. ASS U ME". There is never a discussion of Fijian empires which very little if any documentation or research is posted.

Stick with the topic. And please please, let's have an educated discussion and not a bunch of Fijian/Samoan/Tongans flapping their ding-dongs around thinking that by being "rough and tough", they can define the course of history. It shows how small the ding-dongs are below the waist when intelligent conversation fizzles to "F" words, and name calling.
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#53
Jun 17, 2013
 
The answer to the question or thread is: YES. The Tui Manu'a Empire (better known as "Confederacy") existed many many years ago, with it's spiritual and main center on the island of Tau, Manu'a. The Confederacy spanned across the Pacific to Tonga, Rarotonga, Tuvalu and as far as Rotuma (now part of Fiji).

I would not call it an empire. I would refer to it as a "Confederacy". And for that, Manu'a was never invaded, controlled or taken over by any preceding kingdom, dynasty, or rulers. Tui Tonga respected Manu'a just as the rest of Samoa did, including Fiji (or islands of the Lau group).

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#54
Jun 17, 2013
 
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600 years of samoa is tongan history we fijian lived with them in samoa to make sure we stand out we fijian and tongan who lived with the tui tonga made them slaves tonga made a new tattoo and mark the samoan with it they then was taken by fijian warlords and put to work building fijian and tongan warship for the invasion of tahiti and cookisland its clear and simple. Before tongan it was fijian rule with our empires. Only one people we fijian see worthy is the kai tonga they master the fijian blood like true arayan. We only see Tonga as equal then any other smelly polynesian in our waters they ran a empire with fijian.
Thank you for your contributions to this thread.
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#55
Jun 17, 2013
 
uiha wrote:
<quoted text>all this is heresay ,the Tongan empire is well documented n the enslavement of simoland by Togans fo 600 years allthough u numnuts say it was 400 years ,but it really was 600 years is documented in simoland as a dark shameful part of u monkeys history,now Tohuia is a descendant of Tu'i Ta Ufa(ufa Killer) that reign supreme in upolu during the Tongan occupation,when he came to power he kicked all the simos n kept those that can work n the women that can breed n all the sunga virgins which the Tu'i n his Tongan To'as began deflowering n when these sunga virgins n able bodied women concieved they little Tongans everywhere in upolu n when these half tongan virgins were of age they were then deflowered n when they cocieved ,they offspring is 3/4 Tongan n so on n so on,it was called the FakaTonga breeding program,n so upolu was a Tongan colony where it was used by the Tongan royalties whenever they visit simoland ,they were recieved in upolu,where they helped in planning the overview of simoland
Interesting view point. Perhaps UIHA needs to know how to spell (i.e. Samoa and not simoland). I want to bring some history into play. in 2000, the then King of Tonga, the Head of State of Samoa, the Prime Minister of Samoa, and the Governor of American Samoa travelled in April 2000 to Manu'a. The purpose of the trip was for them to pay respects to Manu'a. Even the King of Tonga understood the relevance of the trip as did the head of State of Samoa.

Before we mouth out our opinions, it's best we properly dissect history and understand why certain events occurred. The trip that these dignitaries made together to Manu'a was to pay respect to the Spiritual land of Polynesia.

During the Pacific Arts Festival in American Samoa (July/August 2008), a contingency of travelers from Rarotonga wanted to travel to Manu'a to pay their respects to the Spiritual lands of Manu'a. Their oral history revered that they also came or originated from Manu'a.

Before our lovely uneducated (or undereducated) cousins from Fiti and Tonga degrade the sacred Manu'a, think twice and learn twice.

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#56
Jun 17, 2013
 
If you are going to provide information people please provide sources.
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Jun 17, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
If you are going to provide information people please provide sources.
here are some facinating sources

http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php ...
"Dr. Kramer says the earliest kings of Manu'a bore the title of Tuimanu'a ma Samoa'atoa, king of Manu'a and All Samoa, and that "all" indicated, not only Samoa, but surrounding islands as well, such as Tonga, Fiji, Rarotonga, Tahiti, who all bought tribute to the Tui Manu'a."

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Jun 17, 2013
 
Polynesian wrote:
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here are some facinating sources
http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php ...
"Dr. Kramer says the earliest kings of Manu'a bore the title of Tuimanu'a ma Samoa'atoa, king of Manu'a and All Samoa, and that "all" indicated, not only Samoa, but surrounding islands as well, such as Tonga, Fiji, Rarotonga, Tahiti, who all bought tribute to the Tui Manu'a."
lol.. Dont waste too much time on the fitians.. Brotherz. But im loving ur fa a samoan attitude.. Lol.. Wisdom always trumps stupidity.. Great posts
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#59
Jun 17, 2013
 
Fijian_Warrior wrote:
If you are going to provide information people please provide sources.
I told you,...real pacific people know and understand their history,...shortsighted aborillas can only see as far as their nose tip and the next fruit, bitch.
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Jun 18, 2013
 
Polynesian wrote:
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here are some facinating sources
http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php ...
"Dr. Kramer says the earliest kings of Manu'a bore the title of Tuimanu'a ma Samoa'atoa, king of Manu'a and All Samoa, and that "all" indicated, not only Samoa, but surrounding islands as well, such as Tonga, Fiji, Rarotonga, Tahiti, who all bought tribute to the Tui Manu'a."
AKA the term and wording "Manu'atele" or the "greater Manu'a" confederacy.

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