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TOA

Sacramento, CA

#1 Jan 31, 2010
The Yellow Sea of the Tui Manu'a.

This ocean is located in the most eastern part of Manu’a island. It is our navigation point. It is where we determine our location. Our ancestors used the sun as a compass. Sasa’e and Sisifo meaning Sunrise and Sunset. To map out our route we have to have a starting point or benchmark. Savai’i island gets the last sun. When the sun rises that part of the Manu’a ocean turns yellow. Hence the word TAI-SAMASAMA. In ancient time we didnt use compass to work out North instead we used the sun.

Hawaii History also speaks of the land of the yellow Sea. I was wondering Masina, Tama Upolu and everyone else do you have more info on the Tai Samasama o le Tui Manu'a?
Proud

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#2 Jan 31, 2010
I can't post anything on here. Don't know what's going on. Sorry bout it.

“TIGRESS,SCORPION ,PHOENIX”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#3 Feb 1, 2010
Hi Toa,
Actually that is true about Hawaiians in their oral traditions mentioning the yellow sea or Kai Melemele a Kane, and this is found in the history or tradition of Hawaii Loa(could it be Savai'i Loa? lol). The Keepers of the Culture in this tradition mentions that Hawaii Loa was a voyager, the first to discover and settle the Hawaiian Islands...namely the Big Island of Hawaii. It goes further to state that Hawaii Loa and his family came from Kapakapaua a Kane and was born on the shores of a land with the Kai Melemele a Kane...the yellow sea of Kane....

On the Big Island of Hawaii there is Mauna Loa named by Hawaii Loa...JUST as there is Mauga Loa in Samoa which is one of the three highest mountain peaks/ranges in Samoa..Upolu and Savaii @ 3,857 feet, while the highest of all three is Mauga Silisili @ 6,093 feet and the lesser of the three is Mauga Va'aifetu(which I as it's name contends is like a stargazing point or mountain @ about 3,660 feet.)
The Hawaiians may indeed consider themselves whether Ali'i or Commoner...they all come from a shared source and line...that of Ha'aLoa...O le A'a o Hawaii Loa...People of Hawaii Loa.

Another thing as you mentioned about the rising sun, well that is why Manu'a has always held itself in prominence being the abode of Tagaloalagi and the royal seat of the TuiManu'a...the sacred and spiritual center of Samoa'atoa...is that the Sun rises in the East in Manu'a and sets in the West. While the Sun rises...Manu'a is the first to witness the dawn of a new day, whilst the rest of our islands are still in "darkness"...asleep. . so to speak(lol) and the last to witness the journey of the Sun as it sets toward the western end of our archipelago toward le Motu o Salafai...Savai'i@Falaealupo.

I'll get back to you on the Taisamasama, sorry for the deviation.
Gotta hele for now....duty calls
tama upolu

Padstow, Australia

#4 Feb 7, 2010
Talofa Moon!!! malo le fa'asoa, how about that,(Mauga Loa)...e pei lava ole Mauga (Si'ulagi) HIKULAGI i isi iku ole aku Polegisia...Moon fa'apea au ia ga'o Samoa o lo'o kalagoa ile tai samasama, ao lea fo'i e kaua e kagaka Hawaii ile lakou foi ora Tradition...(HAWAII LOA) Toa ma Moon can you please, share!!! tell me more on this tradion, sekia..
lotomalie

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Feb 10, 2010
talofa Masina! faamolemole lava Masina pe mafai oga e faamakala akoaiga mai le kala po'o le uiga o le Mauga Loa,magaia le faikau ma le faalogo iai.faamalo lava amuia oukou o iloa gei kalaaga faapea.

Since: Dec 09

New Zealand

#6 Mar 7, 2010
Historical Collections of The Hawaiian Islands
" Keepers of the Culture "
A study in time of the Hawaiian Islands
by Darlene E. Kelley
October 12, 2000

http://www.genrecords.net/emailregistry/vols/...

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Part 4 -- As told by the Ancient Hawaiians.

Hawai'i Loa's Descendants;

Kunuiakea's son Ke Lii Alia, and his grandson Kemilia, were born at
Tahiti along with Aoa, the royal tree; but his great grandson, Ke Lii Ku
[ Eleeleualani ], was born on Hawai'i.

Eleeleualani was the grandfather of Papa-Nui-Hanau-Moku. His wife was
called Ka Oupe Ali'i and was a daughter of Kupukupunuu from Ololoimehani
[ supposed to be either a name for the island of Nu'uhiwa, or a place on
that island ]. They had a son called Kukalani'ehu, whose wife was Ka
Haka-ua-Koko, the sixth descendant from Makali'i, and they two were
parents of Papa-Nui.

Papa-Nui-Hanau-Moku first married Wakea, who was the son of Kahiko and
Tupu-rani-i-te-hau, who was a Tahitian woman. Papa's first child with
Wakea was a daughter called Hoohokukalani.

Papa, having quarreled with Wakea on account of their daughter, went to
Tahiti and there she took to Te Rii Fanau for husband and had a son
called Te Rii i te Haupoipoi. She afterwards returned to Hawai'i under
the name of Huhune and had a son with Waia and called him Hinanalo.
Domestic troubles now made her crazy and she returned to Tahiti where
she had another son with Te Ari'i Aumai, who was said to be the fourth
generation of the Tahiti chiefs, and she called his name Te Ari'i Taria,
and he became chief over that part of Tahiti called Taharu'u.

Because she was the mother of Chiefs, both in Hawai'i and in Tahiti, she
is called Papa Nui Hanau Moka [ " Great Papa, the Mother of Islands" ].
She is said to have been a comely, handsome woman, very fair and almost
white.
Papa and Wakea are considered by many as the first female and male
ancestors of the Hawaiian people. " Wakea, from whom all Hawaiian
genealogies stem as the ancestors of the Hawaiian people, both chiefs
and commoners,' is regarded as a man in Hawaiian tradition, not as a god
as in southern groups [ of Polynesia]."

Papa is said to have traveled eight times between Tahiti and Hawai'i,
and died in a place called Waieri, in Tahiti, during the time of
Nanakelihi the fifth descendant from her and Wakea.

Wakea was a wicked and bad man. He instituted the bad and oppressive
kapu, such as that men and women could not eat together; that women
could not eat red fish, hogs, fowl or other birds, and some kinds of
bananas. These
Kapu were put onto spite and worry Papa, on account of her growling at
and repoaching him for his wickedness. Wakea also departed from the
ancient worship and introduced idol worship, and many people followed
him, because they were afraid of him.

Other Travels of Hawai'i Loa ---

Hawai'i Loa was born on the eastern shore of the Island of
Kapakapaua-a-Kane. One of Hawai'i Loa's grandchildren was called
Keaka-i-Lalo, whom he married to Te Ari'i Aria, one of hs brother Ki's
grandchildren, and he placed them at Sawai'i [ Samoa ?], where they
became the ancestors of that people, Sawai'i being then called
Hawai'i-ku-lalo [ Hawai'i raising downwind].

Afterwards Hawai'i Loa revisited Tahiti and found that his brother Ki
had forsaken the religion in which they were brought up, that of Kane,

Since: Dec 09

New Zealand

#7 Mar 7, 2010
Ku, and Lono, and adopted Ku-waha-ilo
[ maggot-mouth Ku]. the man eating God [ ke akua 'ai kanaka], as his
God. After quarreling with his brother on this account, Hawai'ui Loa
left Tahiti and brought with him Te Ari'i Apa as a husband for
Eleeleualani,his grandchild. From these two was born Kohala, a girl,
from whom the Kohala people sprang.

Afterwards Hawai'i Loa went again to Tahiti and Hawaii-ku-lalo [ Sawai'i
] and held a meeting with those peoples at Tarawao . but finding that
they persisted in following after the God Ku-waha-ilo and they had
become addicted to man-eating, he reproved and repudiated them, and
passed a law called ' he
Papa Enaena," forbidding anyone from Hawai'i Luna [ upward Hawai'i ]
from ever going to the southern Islands, lest they should go astray in
their religion and become man-eaters.

When Hawai'i Loa returned from his trip he brought with him Te-Ari'i
Tino Rua to be a wife to Kunuiakea, and they begot Ke Ali'i Maewa Lani,
a son, who was born at Holio in North Kona, Hawai'i, and became the Kona
progenitor.

After this Hawai'i Loa made a voyage westward, and Mulehu [ Hoku Loa ]
was his guiding star. He landed on the eastern shore of the land of the
Lahui-makalilio [ the people with the turned up, oblique eyes, i.e.,
Asians ]. He traveled over it to the northward and to the westward to
the land of Kuahewahewa-a-Kane, one of the continents that God created,
and then he returned, by the way he had come, to Hawai'i nei, bringing
with him some white men
[ po'e keokeo kane ] and married them to native women [ a h o'omoe i
ko'onei po'e wahine ]. on this return voyage the star lao was his
guiding star to Hawai'i.

After this Hawai'i Loa made another voyage to the southern and eastern
shore of Kapakapaua-a-Kane and took with him his grandchild Kunuiakea in
order to teach hm navigation. When they had stayed there long enough
they returned and Kunuiakea brought with him " he mau ha'a elua " [ two
stewards ]. one called Lehua and the other Nihoa, and they were settled
on the two islands which bear their names, as konohiki [ land stewards ]
and put in charge of Kaua'i, the youngest son of Hawai'i Loa.

When Hawai'i Loa returned from the conference with his brother Ki and
his descendants, his wife Hualalai bore him a son who was called
Hamakua, and who probably was a bad boy
[ keiki 'ino'ino]. for so his name would indicate. Ten years later,
Hualalai died and was buried on the mountain of Hawai'i that has been
called after her name ever since.

After Hawai'i Loa was dead and gone, in the time of Kunuiakea, came
Tahitinui from Tahiti and landed at Ka-lae-i-Kahiki [ the southwest
point of Kaho'olawe, a cape often made by people coming from or going to
Tahiti was worn]. Tahiti-nui was a mo'opuna of Ki, Hawai'i Loa's
brother, and he settled on East Maui and died there.

The descendants of Hawai'i Loa and also of Ki [ which are one, for they
were brothers] peopled nearly all the Polynesian islands. From Ki came
the people of Tahiti, Borabora, Huahine, Taha'a
Ra'iatea and Mo'orea [ the Society Islands ].

From Kanaloa [ brother of Hawai'i Loa] were peopled Nukuhiwa, Uapou,
Tahuata, Hiwaoa and those other islands [ the Marquesas Islands ].
Kanaloa married a women from the man-eating people, Taeohae [ Taiohae,
on Nukuhiwa]. from whom sprang those cannibals who lived on Nukuhiwa,
Fiji, Tarapara, Paumotu, and the islands in western PolynesiaNso as it
was reported in the Hawaiian legends and Prayers. But the people of
Hawai'i and the Tahiti [ properly speaking ] did never addict themselves
to cannibalism.
netbanger

Christchurch, New Zealand

#8 Mar 7, 2010
blah blah blah
netbanger

Christchurch, New Zealand

#9 Mar 7, 2010
masina and toa may have something to offer - BUT me NO!

I DONT KNOW ANYTHING>
For Realz

Sydney, Australia

#10 Mar 8, 2010
netbanger wrote:
masina and toa may have something to offer - BUT me NO!
I DONT KNOW ANYTHING>
They have what you call CLASS not thilf!
Manukan Kid

American Samoa

#11 Jun 2, 2010
For your info, ask any Manu'a citizen..Tai Samasama o Tuimanu'a..it's a Sacred Place in Ta'u Manu'a. If you wanna see,feel free to visit that site here in Ta'u,Manu'a. You have to be careful because that site used to be Tuimanu'a's resting place and it is guarded by the spirits(aitus) of Manu'a. If you wanna believe it, COME AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF..
Tama

Brisbane, Australia

#12 Jun 4, 2013
Hi there i just want to add in your comment that as a Geologist, the tai samasama of the tui manu'a really reflects a research was done in 2005 where scientists found out a sub-volcanoe in the eastern side of Manu'a island and it's now known as Vailulu'u volcanoe. This sub-volcanoe extracted an enormouus amount of sulphuric acid which is coloured yellow and it's very poisonous which kills a lot of marine loves in the vicinity. It was known as the dead ocean i tala tu'u a Samoa i aso anamua.
TOA wrote:
The Yellow Sea of the Tui Manu'a.
This ocean is located in the most eastern part of Manu’a island. It is our navigation point. It is where we determine our location. Our ancestors used the sun as a compass. Sasa’e and Sisifo meaning Sunrise and Sunset. To map out our route we have to have a starting point or benchmark. Savai’i island gets the last sun. When the sun rises that part of the Manu’a ocean turns yellow. Hence the word TAI-SAMASAMA. In ancient time we didnt use compass to work out North instead we used the sun.
Hawaii History also speaks of the land of the yellow Sea. I was wondering Masina, Tama Upolu and everyone else do you have more info on the Tai Samasama o le Tui Manu'a?

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