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What do you know about Tagaloa?

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What do you know about Tagaloa?
If you read some of polynesian stories about him, In the east he is considered a god of the highest order, yet in the west he is spoken of as a god but also as an actual human being who existed in the past.

It leads me to believe that who ever Tagaloa was he may very well be the first Polynesian in human existance or first king of the Vasa/ Moana. Just because he produed heirs to his title and his descendents became known as the Kings of Tonga, Samoa etc. Tonga and Samoa are the only polynesian nations with an actuall list of Tagaloa title holders which means that the original holder died, that means his not a god.

Another example is the tale of Maui. In Tongan mythology the sons of Maui are listed in the creation of Tonga, but in Samoa his son is mentioned along with the name of the mother, Talaga.

I believe, as the polynesians spread across the moana, Tagaloa original story goes from man to god. Hence why none of the eastern polynesian nations never mention his hiers or children in order.

But just my theory. But if true, we are looking at the father of polynesians in the style of men like Abraham or Jacob who are the fathers of the Hebrews. If also true, than we can also solve the polynesian conundrum of the actuall origins of polynesians, since the out of asia theory has shown flaws.

But than again its only my imagination.

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If you read some of polynesian stories about him, In the east he is considered a god of the highest order, yet in the west he is spoken of as a god but also as an actual human being who existed in the past.
It leads me to believe that who ever Tagaloa was he may very well be the first Polynesian in human existance or first king of the Vasa/ Moana. Just because he produed heirs to his title and his descendents became known as the Kings of Tonga, Samoa etc. Tonga and Samoa are the only polynesian nations with an actuall list of Tagaloa title holders which means that the original holder died, that means his not a god.
Another example is the tale of Maui. In Tongan mythology the sons of Maui are listed in the creation of Tonga, but in Samoa his son is mentioned along with the name of the mother, Talaga.
I believe, as the polynesians spread across the moana, Tagaloa original story goes from man to god. Hence why none of the eastern polynesian nations never mention his hiers or children in order.
But just my theory. But if true, we are looking at the father of polynesians in the style of men like Abraham or Jacob who are the fathers of the Hebrews. If also true, than we can also solve the polynesian conundrum of the actuall origins of polynesians, since the out of asia theory has shown flaws.
But than again its only my imagination.
Malo Vasa

Just some more interesting facts on Tagaloa in relation to Samoa and Tonga like I stated before:

* Okusitino Mahina states the following in relation to Tagaloa:

Lagi = Samoa
Maama = Tonga
Pulotu = Fiji

* Tagaloa is associated with Samoa = Lagi
* Maui is associated with Tonga = Maama
* Hikuleo/Siuleo is associated with Fiji = Pulotu

* Lagi means Heavens or Sky, Maama means Earth etc......

This makes so much sense for the simple fact Samoa is the only islands where various Chiefs carried the name/title Tagaloa for example:

1) Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa
2) Tui Atua Tagaloa Tupua aka Lu O Tagaloa
3) Pili of Manu'a was known as Tagaloa Aopo
4) Tui Manu'a Tagaloa Faatutupunu'u
5) Le Tagaloa Funefeai

Etc.... etc..... etc..........

To make things more interesting is that the residence of various Tagaloa Chiefs of Samoa were all called LAGI etc....

* In Tonga it is claimed that the first Tui Tonga Ahoeitu was the son of Tagaloa but he did not carry the name/title Tagaloa like the Chiefs of Samoa hence no Chief in Tonga ever was reffered to as Tagaloa for the Tagaloa title is associated with Samoa. Tongan Historians claim that Ahoeitu's father was a powerful Samoan Chief who carried the name Tagaloa and so forth.......

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Malo Vasa
Just some more interesting facts on Tagaloa in relation to Samoa and Tonga like I stated before:
* Okusitino Mahina states the following in relation to Tagaloa:
Lagi = Samoa
Maama = Tonga
Pulotu = Fiji
* Tagaloa is associated with Samoa = Lagi
* Maui is associated with Tonga = Maama
* Hikuleo/Siuleo is associated with Fiji = Pulotu
* Lagi means Heavens or Sky, Maama means Earth etc......
This makes so much sense for the simple fact Samoa is the only islands where various Chiefs carried the name/title Tagaloa for example:
1) Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa
2) Tui Atua Tagaloa Tupua aka Lu O Tagaloa
3) Pili of Manu'a was known as Tagaloa Aopo
4) Tui Manu'a Tagaloa Faatutupunu'u
5) Le Tagaloa Funefeai
Etc.... etc..... etc..........
To make things more interesting is that the residence of various Tagaloa Chiefs of Samoa were all called LAGI etc....
* In Tonga it is claimed that the first Tui Tonga Ahoeitu was the son of Tagaloa but he did not carry the name/title Tagaloa like the Chiefs of Samoa hence no Chief in Tonga ever was reffered to as Tagaloa for the Tagaloa title is associated with Samoa. Tongan Historians claim that Ahoeitu's father was a powerful Samoan Chief who carried the name Tagaloa and so forth.......
Polynesian history begins with a person named Tagaloa, but before him our history falls in a "Dark Age". The oldest polynesian skeleton dates from the 10th millennium BC and Tagaloa appears maybe around 2nd millennium BC or as late as 700 AD, there is a unrecorded gap of 10000 yrs missing from our history.

I have always wondered what occured during this Dark Age? Who gave birth to Tagaloa, If Tagaloa was his title name did he have a tau'lele'a name? Polynesians are a mystery even to us.
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Sep 8, 2012
 
Interesting discourses fellas. I am masticating on the thought of the first man on earth is from Polynesia, either be it Samoan or Tongan. Also am scoffing at the notion of the first man to be from somewhere in Africa(a black man) according to the writings of the white man.
I will share my own thoughts about the first man in my next posting. People reading it will think that I might be far fetched, crazy, or perhaps a faagogo. But give it a thought. Let your mind go outside from its normal realm for a moment. Thanks.

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kava2drink wrote:
Interesting discourses fellas. I am masticating on the thought of the first man on earth is from Polynesia, either be it Samoan or Tongan. Also am scoffing at the notion of the first man to be from somewhere in Africa(a black man) according to the writings of the white man.
I will share my own thoughts about the first man in my next posting. People reading it will think that I might be far fetched, crazy, or perhaps a faagogo. But give it a thought. Let your mind go outside from its normal realm for a moment. Thanks.
I would love to hear your theory.

I have read the people of the pacific possess the same skeletal structure that early man possessed.

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Do you guys know what Tagaloa means in Samoan?

In Tongan, it means Big Balls or Big Azz Bladder...

It's Tangaroa, obviously, in Maori and maybe some other Polynesian groups...

This is where it gets interesting.. Aotearoa means big white cloud in Maori... means the same thing in Tongan, only it's in three words "Ao Tea Loa"....

"Ao" means Cloud... "Tea" means white... "Loa" means Huge/Big

This all goes back to that "One Language", that we all had in common back in da days...

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Poly KING wrote:
Do you guys know what Tagaloa means in Samoan?
In Tongan, it means Big Balls or Big Azz Bladder...
It's Tangaroa, obviously, in Maori and maybe some other Polynesian groups...
This is where it gets interesting.. Aotearoa means big white cloud in Maori... means the same thing in Tongan, only it's in three words "Ao Tea Loa"....
"Ao" means Cloud... "Tea" means white... "Loa" means Huge/Big
This all goes back to that "One Language", that we all had in common back in da days...
Agree.

There was some kind of language that was used in ancient time that even existed during european contact. the story of Tupaia a navigator from Havaii that travelled with Cpt Cook, was able to communicate with Maori of Aotearoa.
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A few points of interests for everyone to masticate on before I venture into my thoughts about where humanity come from. Because I am Samoan I will only use Samoa as my point of reference and not the other Polynesian groups. However, there come a time that I will mention them.

Point #1: COLORS -- It is interesting to me that the Black color or race and the White color or race are permanent colors that will never turn to brown.

The Black is obviously in any way could become any lighter then what it is. Perhaps the only change that could become of it would be purple or become more blacker. On the other hand, the White color or race will turn to red or rusty faded red.

The Brown color is perhaps the only color that has the ability to morph to become lighter or darker. For example, placing a Brown skin person placed in the cold environment like in Sweden or any place with similar climate will likely make that brown persons skin turn lighter and greatly the chance of turning white. Placing the another Brown skin person in a much warmer/hotter climate like in Africa or any place with similar climate will likely make that brown skin turn darker and greatly the chance to become black.

The colors must change normally as it reacts to the climate. Nothing artificially or chemically added to alter the color.

Point #2: THE SALMON ANALOGY - We know the life of the salmon. It was born up stream and spent its life hanging around down stream. Until it is ready to lay its eggs, the salmon then heads back up stream to complete it CIRCLE OF LIFE. This is phenomenon to me because I think that there is a clock or a genetic fixture inside the salmon that instinctively tells the salmon that it is time to head home where to home base or where it came from.

Point #3: THE TRIANGLE SYMBOLISM - We have had lessons and presentation on triangles in mathematics, history, and science classes.

We heard of the Bermuda triangle and it is a mysterious how planes and people disappear in it. the question is what happened to those people and planes. Perhaps it is a triangle that takes away life or the triangle of despair. Who knows?

The Polynesian Triangle is interesting and symbolic. Interesting is that Samoa is at its core, the heart of it, thus it is the beginning of life. We lament that Samoa is the pearl or is at the heart of Polynesia.

A symbolic manifestation of the triangle is the triangular shape that could be compared to the vaginal shape of the female vagina. Hawaii at the top at the clitoris area and the other island groups at the bottom like Toga, Taiti, Aotealoa at the base of the triangle. Samoa is at the center or the vaginal hole which is the the birth cavity to which life enters into a whole new world.

This thought may seem to be far fetched or bull crap but I want you to keep and open mind about this. If this forum were for the purpose of sharing BS, then we are here to read and hear the comedy of our thoughts and whatever there is to share.

But after awhile if you give much thoughts to what someone is saying, something will click and perhaps, perhaps, there is a point of interest that we could bring into our "gaau" and let it fester until it consumes us from inside out.

After the feasting, then we can really evaluate and say, hey, could all the history, theory and what not told to us by the palagis really true or are they just BS like what our fellow Samoan kava2drink is dishing out in here. If the palagis can do to us, then why can't I share my thoughts?

More will come...

Ia manuia le aso ma ona laasaga.

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A few points of interests for everyone to masticate on before I venture into my thoughts about where humanity come from. Because I am Samoan I will only use Samoa as my point of reference and not the other Polynesian groups. However, there come a time that I will mention them.
Point #1: COLORS -- It is interesting to me that the Black color or race and the White color or race are permanent colors that will never turn to brown.
The Black is obviously in any way could become any lighter then what it is. Perhaps the only change that could become of it would be purple or become more blacker. On the other hand, the White color or race will turn to red or rusty faded red.
The Brown color is perhaps the only color that has the ability to morph to become lighter or darker. For example, placing a Brown skin person placed in the cold environment like in Sweden or any place with similar climate will likely make that brown persons skin turn lighter and greatly the chance of turning white. Placing the another Brown skin person in a much warmer/hotter climate like in Africa or any place with similar climate will likely make that brown skin turn darker and greatly the chance to become black.
The colors must change normally as it reacts to the climate. Nothing artificially or chemically added to alter the color.
Point #2: THE SALMON ANALOGY - We know the life of the salmon. It was born up stream and spent its life hanging around down stream. Until it is ready to lay its eggs, the salmon then heads back up stream to complete it CIRCLE OF LIFE. This is phenomenon to me because I think that there is a clock or a genetic fixture inside the salmon that instinctively tells the salmon that it is time to head home where to home base or where it came from.
Point #3: THE TRIANGLE SYMBOLISM - We have had lessons and presentation on triangles in mathematics, history, and science classes.
We heard of the Bermuda triangle and it is a mysterious how planes and people disappear in it. the question is what happened to those people and planes. Perhaps it is a triangle that takes away life or the triangle of despair. Who knows?
The Polynesian Triangle is interesting and symbolic. Interesting is that Samoa is at its core, the heart of it, thus it is the beginning of life. We lament that Samoa is the pearl or is at the heart of Polynesia.
A symbolic manifestation of the triangle is the triangular shape that could be compared to the vaginal shape of the female vagina. Hawaii at the top at the clitoris area and the other island groups at the bottom like Toga, Taiti, Aotealoa at the base of the triangle. Samoa is at the center or the vaginal hole which is the the birth cavity to which life enters into a whole new world.
This thought may seem to be far fetched or bull crap but I want you to keep and open mind about this. If this forum were for the purpose of sharing BS, then we are here to read and hear the comedy of our thoughts and whatever there is to share.
But after awhile if you give much thoughts to what someone is saying, something will click and perhaps, perhaps, there is a point of interest that we could bring into our "gaau" and let it fester until it consumes us from inside out.
After the feasting, then we can really evaluate and say, hey, could all the history, theory and what not told to us by the palagis really true or are they just BS like what our fellow Samoan kava2drink is dishing out in here. If the palagis can do to us, then why can't I share my thoughts?
More will come...
Ia manuia le aso ma ona laasaga.
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There are multiple manifestations of Tagaloa the creator.

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Poly KING wrote:
Do you guys know what Tagaloa means in Samoan?
In Tongan, it means Big Balls or Big Azz Bladder...
It's Tangaroa, obviously, in Maori and maybe some other Polynesian groups...
This is where it gets interesting.. Aotearoa means big white cloud in Maori... means the same thing in Tongan, only it's in three words "Ao Tea Loa"....
"Ao" means Cloud... "Tea" means white... "Loa" means Huge/Big
This all goes back to that "One Language", that we all had in common back in da days...
No different over too.

In Samoan "Taga" means Pocket and the other time we use the word is if a baby has crapped themselves. "Loa" means Big, Long, know or a unit of measurement.
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kava2drink wrote:
A few points of interests for everyone to masticate on before I venture into my thoughts about where humanity come from. Because I am Samoan I will only use Samoa as my point of reference and not the other Polynesian groups. However, there come a time that I will mention them.
Point #1: COLORS -- It is interesting to me that the Black color or race and the White color or race are permanent colors that will never turn to brown.
The Black is obviously in any way could become any lighter then what it is. Perhaps the only change that could become of it would be purple or become more blacker. On the other hand, the White color or race will turn to red or rusty faded red.
The Brown color is perhaps the only color that has the ability to morph to become lighter or darker. For example, placing a Brown skin person placed in the cold environment like in Sweden or any place with similar climate will likely make that brown persons skin turn lighter and greatly the chance of turning white. Placing the another Brown skin person in a much warmer/hotter climate like in Africa or any place with similar climate will likely make that brown skin turn darker and greatly the chance to become black.
The colors must change normally as it reacts to the climate. Nothing artificially or chemically added to alter the color.
Point #2: THE SALMON ANALOGY - We know the life of the salmon. It was born up stream and spent its life hanging around down stream. Until it is ready to lay its eggs, the salmon then heads back up stream to complete it CIRCLE OF LIFE. This is phenomenon to me because I think that there is a clock or a genetic fixture inside the salmon that instinctively tells the salmon that it is time to head home where to home base or where it came from.
Point #3: THE TRIANGLE SYMBOLISM - We have had lessons and presentation on triangles in mathematics, history, and science classes.
We heard of the Bermuda triangle and it is a mysterious how planes and people disappear in it. the question is what happened to those people and planes. Perhaps it is a triangle that takes away life or the triangle of despair. Who knows?
The Polynesian Triangle is interesting and symbolic. Interesting is that Samoa is at its core, the heart of it, thus it is the beginning of life. We lament that Samoa is the pearl or is at the heart of Polynesia.
A symbolic manifestation of the triangle is the triangular shape that could be compared to the vaginal shape of the female vagina. Hawaii at the top at the clitoris area and the other island groups at the bottom like Toga, Taiti, Aotealoa at the base of the triangle. Samoa is at the center or the vaginal hole which is the the birth cavity to which life enters into a whole new world.
This thought may seem to be far fetched or bull crap but I want you to keep and open mind about this. If this forum were for the purpose of sharing BS, then we are here to read and hear the comedy of our thoughts and whatever there is to share.
But after awhile if you give much thoughts to what someone is saying, something will click and perhaps, perhaps, there is a point of interest that we could bring into our "gaau" and let it fester until it consumes us from inside out.
After the feasting, then we can really evaluate and say, hey, could all the history, theory and what not told to us by the palagis really true or are they just BS like what our fellow Samoan kava2drink is dishing out in here. If the palagis can do to us, then why can't I share my thoughts?
More will come...
Ia manuia le aso ma ona laasaga.
can you was charge my vaginus plizzz....lol....im getting a stiffy plizzz....
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tagaloa-big sacks this probably explains the reason why this name was so famous in samoa....lol..
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Nov 8, 2012
 
In the beginning of time, Tagaloa the creator, created the only land mass island of Samoa.

After creating this land mass, he created humans (men and women) and let them roamed the island.

Men and women connected and multiply the Samoan island. After many years and the rapid increase of the human population, people felt that the island was becoming to small and were curious to know if there were other land masses outside of Samoa. People began to complain and made demands to Tagaloa to help solve the overcrowding situation. I can imagine the bitter fighting between people during this particular time. Could this be the time that Samoa people are divided and making up their own identity like wanted to be Tongan or Samoan? Who ever had more on their side managed to rule the island. Perhaps there were many that joined the Tongan faction. After years of in fighting between the Tongan and Samoan factions, the Samoan group finally tasted victory. Then chased the Tongan group out of Samoa with the Tongan group accepting defeat and agreed return to Samoa only as a friend.

Tagaloa saw the need to add more land masses to appease his people. Thus he created other land masses as we now see other continents and islands around the globe. At this stage Tagaloa was not creating anymore humans due to the population explosion.(Thanks to alot of love making under the ulu tree...) Tagaloa did however, challenged the people to be creative and are free to venture out of Samoa to find new lands to live and survive. He also challenged those leaving Samoa that they could loose the nice brown color of their skin due to the new weather conditions they were about to encounter.

At this point in time, many people decided to paddle their paopaos and hope for the best. Some were successful in finding new land. For example, landing in other islands of the Pacific ocean. Some floated and found themselves in places that we now know to be Africa, China, America, Europe, etc.
This is the great migration out of Samoa.

Many people who left Samoa. Some may have returned, some lost their lives to the ocean, and some found new land and never returned. People survived and adjusted to the new environment. Some found themselves in cold climate, which they noticed their brown skin turned lighter and eventually white or yellow. Others in hot climate, noticed their skin turned to darker and eventually black. Others were fortunate to find lands with similar climate like the one in Samoa. Their skin did not make that much of a difference.

Samoans are all over the world. They are well traveled because of their nature of being the expert navigators. Their brown skin color is the only color that is capable to morph into being lighter or darker. Depending what the climate environment is.

As I see it now, people from around the globe are anxious to visit Samoa. To me, after many years these global people are making their pilgrimage to the land of their ancestors. Perhaps there is a genetic time clock in them that tells them when, and how to connect with their past. I can assert the story of the salmon, born up stream, spent his entire life down stream, interestingly the salmon knows when to return to its home and where to go at that moment of its life. What about if people living in other parts of the globe having the salmon sensation?

The notion of people coming from apes is a farce, first man to be from Africa, another baloney story. If so, why are the white people not celebrating their black heritage.

The palagis are excited about turning brown more so then their paled, and rusted color. They can never be brown again, but instead read.
The meauli on the other hand are cursed to remain uliuli, ashy, and if tried harder will turn purple.

In conclusion, "We Are Samoa" no matter where you are.

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Nov 8, 2012
 
lmao @ big saks...dez Samoarillas worshipd dz Tagaloa cs he hd bigga saks dn all dr men...lol...all da tym Tagaloa had tumors on hs nuts...lmao...Poor Samoarillas.....yr god had Tumors.....lmao

nw dats wat i knw bout Tagaloa....
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Nov 10, 2012
 
suga pinus colitoris,

if your god created you in his image, why the hell he made you different.

polynesian's god tagaloa made his people looked like him.

i see alot of gorillas in toga and fiti. toga known for their outrages big noses which fits the description that of an ape/gorilla. fiti on the other is a darker version of the togan ape/gorrila.

malo faigamalie
ufa atu oops ofa atu

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Nov 10, 2012
 
Tagaloa(lagi)

* In Samoa everything revolved around Tagaloalagi. The origin and creation of Samoa, Houses, Kava Ceremony, Kings and Royal Lines etc..... etc......

* If you watch the Samoan Ava ceremony whether it be the smaller Ava ceremonies or Royal Ava ceremonies you will notice that each Chief/person who drinks, first pours out a small amount of kava before drinking that small amount poured out is for Tagaloalagi, in honor of and respect to Tagaloalagi.

* The most powerful Kings/Royal lines of Samoa and Tonga descended from or are associated with Tagaloalagi. In Samoa many Chiefs carried the name Tagaloa and there place of residence in Samoa were known as Lagi.

1) Tui Manu'a Tae O Tagaloa (Samoa)

2) Tui Atua Tagaloa Tupua aka Lu O Tagaloa (Samoa)

3) Tui Tonga Ahoeitu (Tonga)

4) Tui A'ana (Samoa)

* Origins of Houses in Samoa

During the time of Tagaloalagi the houses in Samoa varied in shape and this lead to many difficulties for those who wished to have a house built in a certain manner. Each carpenter was proficient in building a house of one particular shape only and it was sometimes impossible to obtain the services of the carpenter desired. A meeting of all the carpenters in the country was held to try and decide on some uniform shape. The discussion waxed enthusiastic and as there seemed no prospect of a decision being arrived at it was decided to call in the services of Tagaloalagi. After considering the matter he pointed to the dome of Heaven (Lagi) and to the horizon and he decreed that in future all houses built would be of that shape and this explains why all the ends of Samoan houses are as the shape of the heavens (Lagi) extending down to the horizon.

* Samoan Funerals

When a Samoan Chief dies a sacred Samoan Chant known as Lagi/Auala is chanted to open the Heavens (Lagi). This chant like many things in Samoa has its origins and is associated with Tagaloalagi. The sacred chant deals with the nine heavens of Tagaloalagi etc.....

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Nov 10, 2012
 
would you kindly explain to me what the 'nine heavens of tagaloalagi' is.
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Jan 18, 2013
 
I was searching for evidence to prove that Tagaloa was true, that he created everything, but still can't find anything.. It is my homework for my class in Am.Samoa History..So, would you kindly send or type something to prove that he really does exists in the history of Samoans..Still can't find anything when I was searching, but would you mind to explain why this Myth still passed down from generations to generations? And show something that this Myth about THE ORIGIN OF MAN was created by the only man named TAGALOA...Please..:).."9t h Grader"student!!Thank you(Jan 18,2013)=) from:a student from Leone High School..

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