Sau Laia

Nelson, New Zealand

#21 Mar 20, 2009
HAAMONGA wrote:
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THE WEBSITE YOU GOT THIS TIME LINE INFORMATION FROM, THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT IS TONGAN...... ALOT OF THE INFORMATION ON THAT WEBSITE IS FALSE INFORMATION ALMOST FAVORING TONGANS so I never look at that website.........
Tu'i Manu'a Elisala was the last Tu'i Manu'a title holder.... When Tutuila and Manu'a became US Territory the title was so sacred and ancient that when Tu'i Manu'a Elisala died he took the title to his grave.......
"...so I 'never' look at that website." But yet you know more infomation regarding this website then me, and you never look into this site, it's a wonder???

Haamonga, your right. I did ripit off from another website (forgive me!). Since your in the know, if you can, please answer me this: If the title Tu'i Manu'a Elisala is no more. Then that leaves how many more sacred and ancient titles in Samoa?

Faavae i le Atua i mea uma :)
Sau Laia

Nelson, New Zealand

#22 Mar 20, 2009
Masina wrote:
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Sau Laia
The timelines and advocated "events" are questionable. Some are basically in my opinion patchwork dates that are mere conjectures. Another thing Sau Laia, how did you come by the highly erroneous assumption that Tonga held OUR Royal Papa....TUIATUA,TUIA'ANA,GATO' AITELE and TAMASOALI'I in hand? They never did, and THAT NEVER happened. Its amusing that Tala'ife'i'i...Talakaife'iki is relegated to "warrior" status. When he descended from the Tuitonga line....and by the way His being expelled /ousted out may have been utterly disappointing...so disappointing in fact that somehow he is conviniently left out of Tongan history or oral traditions.
The pa tonga that you refer to are actually called PA TAUA, entrenchments and defense fortifications against the Tongans....and some of them have names. But then what you neglect to think about is that Samoans also build walled fortifications to distinguish boundary lines within villages and districts, and not all are battle fortifications as you would like to believe. Alot of what is mentioned in the timeline is basically throwing in some of Percy's work, even a bit of Buck and an attempt at rewriting Samoan history. I noticed a bit of the statement of "fighting from the seaward side" as coming from a version or story on Ulualofaiga. What is more amazing is that THAT same Ulualofaiga living during Tamalelagi's time is projected to still alive by King Fonoti's time....wow that is utterly ridiculous!
Yes my dear! I tried to fiapoto le mea, but was caught out by Detective Inspector Haamonga (SHOT! Haamonga)... lets just pretend i didn't post it, okay??? faafetai... Moving along... that's a nice perfume your wearing! Stella??? or Fire&Ice???(Aaaaooooooo! chhoooochooo):)

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#23 Mar 20, 2009
Masina wrote:
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Sau Laia
The timelines and advocated "events" are questionable. Some are basically in my opinion patchwork dates that are mere conjectures. Another thing Sau Laia, how did you come by the highly erroneous assumption that Tonga held OUR Royal Papa....TUIATUA,TUIA'ANA,GATO' AITELE and TAMASOALI'I in hand? They never did, and THAT NEVER happened. Its amusing that Tala'ife'i'i...Talakaife'iki is relegated to "warrior" status. When he descended from the Tuitonga line....and by the way His being expelled /ousted out may have been utterly disappointing...so disappointing in fact that somehow he is conviniently left out of Tongan history or oral traditions.
The pa tonga that you refer to are actually called PA TAUA, entrenchments and defense fortifications against the Tongans....and some of them have names. But then what you neglect to think about is that Samoans also build walled fortifications to distinguish boundary lines within villages and districts, and not all are battle fortifications as you would like to believe. Alot of what is mentioned in the timeline is basically throwing in some of Percy's work, even a bit of Buck and an attempt at rewriting Samoan history. I noticed a bit of the statement of "fighting from the seaward side" as coming from a version or story on Ulualofaiga. What is more amazing is that THAT same Ulualofaiga living during Tamalelagi's time is projected to still alive by King Fonoti's time....wow that is utterly ridiculous!
Hi Masina (Waving) I know this is way off topic but would you be able to translate a Tongan song if I posted it? I asked "Proud" and suggested that I try asking you. If you are not able to then that's okay. Just add to the thread, isn't that how we got the title Malietoa? Stemming from the Samoan's victory of reclaiming the island of Samoa from the Tongans? I am not sure, please don't get mad if I am incorrect, I thought I remembered that story from my childhood.

God Bless you and all your loved ones girl!

“TIGRESS,SCORPION ,PHOENIX”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#24 Mar 20, 2009
Sau Laia wrote:
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Yes my dear! I tried to fiapoto le mea, but was caught out by Detective Inspector Haamonga (SHOT! Haamonga)... lets just pretend i didn't post it, okay??? faafetai... Moving along... that's a nice perfume your wearing! Stella??? or Fire&Ice???(Aaaaooooooo! chhoooochooo):)
Oh...my eyesight...suddenly I'm going blind.lol
Okay.. I didnt see it. hehehe.
HAHA!Hmmmmm Fire,Ice....& Brimstone...when its smokin..Bwaaahaaaaaaa!
I dont know that scent....Stella...haha Stella...Stella...Stella Artois?lol LOL...Gardenia,Oriana and Wild Ginger thats more like it.
no worries!
HAAMONGA

El Dorado Hills, CA

#25 Mar 21, 2009
Sau Laia wrote:
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"...so I 'never' look at that website." But yet you know more infomation regarding this website then me, and you never look into this site, it's a wonder???
Haamonga, your right. I did ripit off from another website (forgive me!). Since your in the know, if you can, please answer me this: If the title Tu'i Manu'a Elisala is no more. Then that leaves how many more sacred and ancient titles in Samoa?
Faavae i le Atua i mea uma :)
The most ancient title now still living today in Samoa is the Malietoa title......

“TIGRESS,SCORPION ,PHOENIX”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#26 Mar 21, 2009
alofa777 wrote:
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Hi Masina (Waving) I know this is way off topic but would you be able to translate a Tongan song if I posted it? I asked "Proud" and suggested that I try asking you. If you are not able to then that's okay. Just add to the thread, isn't that how we got the title Malietoa? Stemming from the Samoan's victory of reclaiming the island of Samoa from the Tongans? I am not sure, please don't get mad if I am incorrect, I thought I remembered that story from my childhood.
God Bless you and all your loved ones girl!
Hi Sis Alofa!

Sorry for not responding sooner. You've got me pretty enthused about the song...indeed! Would like a look see..lol But where to post? Maybe not in this current thread with its touchy topic lol Oute le fia solia le mamalu o le tatou aofia.. ma tuaa o lo'o lagomau mau mai i ti'asa i ni fauga pese 'e leiloa po'o fefiloi ma fenumia'i i ni mea fa'apopz ma peperoz. Maybe in another page? O ifea se thread lelei e post iai? O le a sou manatu? Just let me know. I dont mind, lets take a look aye?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#27 Mar 21, 2009
Masina wrote:
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Hi Sis Alofa!
Sorry for not responding sooner. You've got me pretty enthused about the song...indeed! Would like a look see..lol But where to post? Maybe not in this current thread with its touchy topic lol Oute le fia solia le mamalu o le tatou aofia.. ma tuaa o lo'o lagomau mau mai i ti'asa i ni fauga pese 'e leiloa po'o fefiloi ma fenumia'i i ni mea fa'apopz ma peperoz. Maybe in another page? O ifea se thread lelei e post iai? O le a sou manatu? Just let me know. I dont mind, lets take a look aye?
Hi sis Masina!

Thank you very much. Proud suggested that I post it on "What's your favorite Samoan Song?" thread and so I wrote to her that the suggestion was great and that is where I will post the lyrics to. It will probably be a while since my siblings and I are not in agreement as to what the words are and how they are spelled. However, I will certainly post it as soon as we are all satisfied. It is good to interact with you and my thanks again.

God Bless.
Raining rocks

Europe

#28 Mar 21, 2009
Malo lava samoa
Sau Laia

Nelson, New Zealand

#29 Apr 3, 2009
HAAMONGA wrote:
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The most ancient title now still living today in Samoa is the Malietoa title......
Faafetai lava mo le fasili, Haamonga.
Sau Laia

Nelson, New Zealand

#30 Apr 3, 2009
Masina wrote:
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Oh...my eyesight...suddenly I'm going blind.lol
Okay.. I didnt see it. hehehe.
HAHA!Hmmmmm Fire,Ice....& Brimstone...when its smokin..Bwaaahaaaaaaa!
I dont know that scent....Stella...haha Stella...Stella...Stella Artois?lol LOL...Gardenia,Oriana and Wild Ginger thats more like it.
no worries!
As always, the forgive and jovial one! it's know wonder my homeboy Snipa visits these fales?!? This village has a lot of beautiful & intellectual minded people.

But like all fales youse have your fair share of trolls and wanabes as well. Nevermind, they can't take away our beauty, alii? ;)

Have a blessed day, Moon goddess :)

“TIGRESS,SCORPION ,PHOENIX”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#31 Apr 4, 2009
Sau Laia wrote:
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As always, the forgive and jovial one! it's know wonder my homeboy Snipa visits these fales?!? This village has a lot of beautiful & intellectual minded people.
But like all fales youse have your fair share of trolls and wanabes as well. Nevermind, they can't take away our beauty, alii? ;)
Have a blessed day, Moon goddess :)
Hey Sau Laia....Howz it??lol
Good to hear from ya, how has it been on that side of the Great Ocean??...Uhhh le Pacifique that is...lol. Oh well, Snipa has been a rarity...so far..in the forums...lol..has he not?? ;)
Anyway you are correct there is a conglomeration of sorts out and about in the forum marae...malae
from intellectual to insane(hahaha)from trolls to wana-wanabes lol from down to earth to out of this or other worldly (LOL)to just about whatever personality that one can find. Never a dull momen....aye?lol. Well no one can take anything away from you unless you let them. Just a thought.

Thank you very much for the well wishes.You take care now and have a wonderful and safe weekend as well alrightey? Catch up later.
Paka-Lolo

Ewa Beach, HI

#32 Apr 15, 2009
Fa'atalofa atu i le mamalutele ma le pa'ia, o lo'o afio i le talatalaga o tatou masaniga i le atu fa'apapalagi. Malo fai o le faiva "Masina". Na'o sina tala pu'upu'u e alo atu lea 'ia Chris-Young. Chris-Young was also known as Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-K.(Kilisi) he was a contender for the (ao) Tuimanu'a, but he was never annointed. Meaning, e le'i fa'ae'e iai o (ao) ma (pai'ia) o le atunu'u 'atoa (Manu'a only). But he is also a descendant of the Tuimanu'a line, as was Tuimanu'a-Elisara who WAS the last Tuimanu'a.
This is a decendency outlook of the two.
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-K.(Chris-Y oung)
Tu'upule-Amiperia-TALIUTAFA (f)
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Aufogapiu
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Lipoioali' i
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Tupolo
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Pulesilia
Tuimanu'a-Levaomana
Tuimanu'a-Salofi.
Tuimanu'a-Alaalamua-Elisara
Alaalamua-Agai-III
Tau'i'afa-ALAALAMUA (f)
Pele'ese-MOA'ATOA (f)
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Pulesilia
Tuimanu'a-Levaomana
Tuimanu'a-Salofi.
Fa'agata i'inei sia tala, leaga 'ae 'umi, ne'i te'i 'ua uogo se isi.
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa's children (from eldest to youngest).
Pele'ese (f)
Toliutofa (f)
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Tupolo
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Seiuli
Pele'ese married Tuimanu'a-Alaalamua-Tau'ilima (matua) who is my 5th great-grandfather. Who had two children, Alaalamua-Tau'ilima-II and his sister Tau'i'afa. Tau'i'afa's son is Alaalamua-Agai-III who married Sofe-TULIFUA of Malaetele whom is Tuimanu'a-Elisara's mother.
Na'o sina talapu'upu'u,'ina 'ia tatou maua ai le malamalama i tala o lo tatou atunu'u,'o Manu'a ma Samoa 'atoa.
But I THANK YOU, for your very profound encyclopedia. Again malo fai o le faiva,
fa'apea fo'i le sa'iliga i le afioga 'ia JaSan, ma ProudHamo, ma Polynesia, masalo Hammonga o se Toga,'ae fa'afetai fo'i i lana susuga, mo nai tala 'oto'oto 'o tatou Sa-Moa.
ulukalala

Aiea, HI

#33 May 20, 2009
where there any battles of tonga and samoa in tonga??

“TIGRESS,SCORPION ,PHOENIX”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#34 May 24, 2009
Paka-Lolo wrote:
Fa'atalofa atu i le mamalutele ma le pa'ia, o lo'o afio i le talatalaga o tatou masaniga i le atu fa'apapalagi. Malo fai o le faiva "Masina". Na'o sina tala pu'upu'u e alo atu lea 'ia Chris-Young. Chris-Young was also known as Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-K.(Kilisi) he was a contender for the (ao) Tuimanu'a, but he was never annointed. Meaning, e le'i fa'ae'e iai o (ao) ma (pai'ia) o le atunu'u 'atoa (Manu'a only). But he is also a descendant of the Tuimanu'a line, as was Tuimanu'a-Elisara who WAS the last Tuimanu'a.
This is a decendency outlook of the two.
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-K.(Chris-Y oung)
Tu'upule-Amiperia-TALIUTAFA (f)
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Aufogapiu
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Lipoioali' i
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Tupolo
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Pulesilia
Tuimanu'a-Levaomana
Tuimanu'a-Salofi.
Tuimanu'a-Alaalamua-Elisara
Alaalamua-Agai-III
Tau'i'afa-ALAALAMUA (f)
Pele'ese-MOA'ATOA (f)
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Pulesilia
Tuimanu'a-Levaomana
Tuimanu'a-Salofi.
Fa'agata i'inei sia tala, leaga 'ae 'umi, ne'i te'i 'ua uogo se isi.
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa's children (from eldest to youngest).
Pele'ese (f)
Toliutofa (f)
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Tupolo
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Seiuli
Pele'ese married Tuimanu'a-Alaalamua-Tau'ilima (matua) who is my 5th great-grandfather. Who had two children, Alaalamua-Tau'ilima-II and his sister Tau'i'afa. Tau'i'afa's son is Alaalamua-Agai-III who married Sofe-TULIFUA of Malaetele whom is Tuimanu'a-Elisara's mother.
Na'o sina talapu'upu'u,'ina 'ia tatou maua ai le malamalama i tala o lo tatou atunu'u,'o Manu'a ma Samoa 'atoa.
But I THANK YOU, for your very profound encyclopedia. Again malo fai o le faiva,
fa'apea fo'i le sa'iliga i le afioga 'ia JaSan, ma ProudHamo, ma Polynesia, masalo Hammonga o se Toga,'ae fa'afetai fo'i i lana susuga, mo nai tala 'oto'oto 'o tatou Sa-Moa.
Malo lava Pakalolo (lol)

Sorry for the late response. Ia fa'afetai tele lava i lou manatu mai ia tei matou, i lou tigaina lava e fetufa'ai o nai oloa taua ia e fa'atatau i le fa'asologa o le auga nofo o Tui Manua ma o latou suli etc.

A 'e li'i Pakalolo, fa'apea lava taita nei, e le so'ona mamulu mai ni tala e fa'atatau i gafa, aemaise lava i le talitonuga fa'a Manu'a....hahaha. O measina na o aiga, e teu lava i le fai'ai ma le loto o le tagata...e le so'ona fa'alelea, vagana se mea e tatau...tatau lava ona fa'aalia. O lea oute silafia i talatu'u, tala tu'u taliga, ma tala fa'asolopito e fa'atatau ia Manu'a, aemaise le nofoa'iga o TuiManu'a. E ui i lea, oute fa'afetai lava i lou naunauta'i e fesoasoani, po 'o lou fia fesoasoani i le mata'upu lea ua tatou taualo atu iai.

Heaps of thanks for sharing your insight.
Ia Manuia!
Proud

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#35 May 25, 2009
Masina do you think anything pertaining to gafa's whether it be family or others should be kept within the confines of particular families, villages or districts and not be shared with others??..I know its a very touchy subject given the significant subject matter, o measina e le soona fa'alauiloaina. Ua ala ona ou fesili, ona o le olaga i lenei vaitau ua tele ina ola a'e i fafo of Samoa tupulaga talavou o le tatou atunu'u. Do you think its appropriate to share this valuable knowledge with them through this kind of medium, pe tu'u pea i le fa'avae na amata mai ai (i.e) the caretakers of our culture (orators) to look after that knowledge??...
Distantbutclose

Chula Vista, CA

#36 Jul 3, 2009
Really Pakalolo? You going to post our aiga's stuff like that online?
Pakalolo

Ewa Beach, HI

#37 Jul 8, 2009
Fa'afetai atu lava i lau susuga Masina. E moni lava le saunoaga fa'apea foi le fetalaiga.'Ae 'ia e manatua, o aso nei e le'o aso o le fa'apaupau, e pei o aso o le pogisa o tatou tua'a.'Ae Afai tatou te tausia le na masani e pei o tua'a, e fa'apefea la 'ona tatou fa'ataunu'uina le mavaega a Saveasi'uleo ma lona uso o Ulufanuase'ese'e, o lo'o fa'apea mai, "'Ia tatou feiloa'i i le i'u o gafa". Pe fa'apefea fo'i 'ona tatou iloa o tatou 'aiga o lo'o salalausolo i lea atunu'u ma lea atunu'u. O lenei 'ua iai le ala o tagata papalagi e tatou feiloa'i ai ma fetufatufaa'i ai o tatou taumafaiga,'ina 'ia mausali ai le iloa o le uso ma le uso.
Fa'amalie lau susuga pe'a fai 'ua leva le le tali atu,'aua e fai lava sina puaooa o le va'ai i le mamafa o nei paka 'ua lololo solo LOL.
'Ia e manatua o mea tu'ulilo o mea 'e 'ai e ilo, a 'o mea 'ua aliali i le malamalama o mea na e mautu ai le ali'i ma lana nofoa'iga.
Lots of love Masina.
alofa
Masina wrote:
<quoted text>
Malo lava Pakalolo (lol)
Sorry for the late response. Ia fa'afetai tele lava i lou manatu mai ia tei matou, i lou tigaina lava e fetufa'ai o nai oloa taua ia e fa'atatau i le fa'asologa o le auga nofo o Tui Manua ma o latou suli etc.
A 'e li'i Pakalolo, fa'apea lava taita nei, e le so'ona mamulu mai ni tala e fa'atatau i gafa, aemaise lava i le talitonuga fa'a Manu'a....hahaha. O measina na o aiga, e teu lava i le fai'ai ma le loto o le tagata...e le so'ona fa'alelea, vagana se mea e tatau...tatau lava ona fa'aalia. O lea oute silafia i talatu'u, tala tu'u taliga, ma tala fa'asolopito e fa'atatau ia Manu'a, aemaise le nofoa'iga o TuiManu'a. E ui i lea, oute fa'afetai lava i lou naunauta'i e fesoasoani, po 'o lou fia fesoasoani i le mata'upu lea ua tatou taualo atu iai.
Heaps of thanks for sharing your insight.
Ia Manuia!
Anoalo

Salt Lake City, UT

#38 Jan 10, 2010
Paka-Lolo wrote:
Fa'atalofa atu i le mamalutele ma le pa'ia, o lo'o afio i le talatalaga o tatou masaniga i le atu fa'apapalagi. Malo fai o le faiva "Masina". Na'o sina tala pu'upu'u e alo atu lea 'ia Chris-Young. Chris-Young was also known as Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-K.(Kilisi) he was a contender for the (ao) Tuimanu'a, but he was never annointed. Meaning, e le'i fa'ae'e iai o (ao) ma (pai'ia) o le atunu'u 'atoa (Manu'a only). But he is also a descendant of the Tuimanu'a line, as was Tuimanu'a-Elisara who WAS the last Tuimanu'a.
This is a decendency outlook of the two.
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-K.(Chris-Y oung)
Tu'upule-Amiperia-TALIUTAFA (f)
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Aufogapiu
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Lipoioali' i
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Tupolo
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Pulesilia
Tuimanu'a-Levaomana
Tuimanu'a-Salofi.
Tuimanu'a-Alaalamua-Elisara
Alaalamua-Agai-III
Tau'i'afa-ALAALAMUA (f)
Pele'ese-MOA'ATOA (f)
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Pulesilia
Tuimanu'a-Levaomana
Tuimanu'a-Salofi.
Fa'agata i'inei sia tala, leaga 'ae 'umi, ne'i te'i 'ua uogo se isi.
Tuimanu'a-Moa'atoa's children (from eldest to youngest).
Pele'ese (f)
Toliutofa (f)
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Tupolo
Tuimanu'a-Taliutafa-Seiuli
Pele'ese married Tuimanu'a-Alaalamua-Tau'ilima (matua) who is my 5th great-grandfather. Who had two children, Alaalamua-Tau'ilima-II and his sister Tau'i'afa. Tau'i'afa's son is Alaalamua-Agai-III who married Sofe-TULIFUA of Malaetele whom is Tuimanu'a-Elisara's mother.
Na'o sina talapu'upu'u,'ina 'ia tatou maua ai le malamalama i tala o lo tatou atunu'u,'o Manu'a ma Samoa 'atoa.
But I THANK YOU, for your very profound encyclopedia. Again malo fai o le faiva,
fa'apea fo'i le sa'iliga i le afioga 'ia JaSan, ma ProudHamo, ma Polynesia, masalo Hammonga o se Toga,'ae fa'afetai fo'i i lana susuga, mo nai tala 'oto'oto 'o tatou Sa-Moa.
With all due respect, please allow me to clairfy further connection for your lineage of the Avaloa clan. Peleese and Toliutafa are daughters of Tuimanu'a Taliutafa Pule from a second marriage and their identified clans in the Tui Manu'a family are Avaloa and Falesoa respectively. If you're from the Avaloa clan you should know this. Tuimanu'a Moaatoa has one true sister and only one daughter and the rest sons, and Peleese and Toliutafa are his half-siblings. Tuimanu'a Moaatoa's is the only son of Tuimanu'a Taliutafa Pule as such designated as the Anoalo clan of the Tui Manu'a family.
Vaafasifolau

United States

#39 Jan 20, 2010
HAAMONGA wrote:
<quoted text>
The most ancient title now still living today in Samoa is the Malietoa title......
Sorry brother but Tuiatua outdates Malietoa by at least 700 yrs. No disrespect to SaMailetoa.
Lefanoga

Honolulu, HI

#40 Mar 4, 2010
Too many posts to sift through every one. And...just an aside...as the rules go, the Anolalo line would be the "preferred" when choosing a a Tui Manu'a (hence the Tailutafa are all from the Anoalo line)...the supporting lines of the tua tamafaafine where absolutely necessary, as their consensus was required to come up with a candidate for the Tui Manu'a. But...let's leave that tangent behind.

I'm looking for information and I'm hoping someone here can point me in the right direction. First...the Mamalu o Tau. I find very little mentioned about her. For those who don't remember, she was the sister of the three brothers Sasualei (Lei), Saite (Ite), and Sapua (Pua), who...as I understand it were the beginning of the Faletolu.

Also looking for more info on the court cases (like the one's between Leisilika Young (Chris Young and the US Navy, the US, or any others. Of course this was after TM Elisara signed the treaty of succession.

Links between the Sa Moatoa/Tui Manu'a and the various "tui" on Upolu...trying to date my chronology and connect to other things happening in Samoa during those time periods.

Reason for all of this: Kraemer admits that his primary source (for Manu'a) was copied from Pa'u Young's documents...yet, there is a huge discrepancy b/t his chronology, that of the Young family and that of Powell and Pratt. So...bottom line...these early anthropologists need to be challenged. Their Eurospectve view of Manu'a needs to be addressed...not with argument or editorial, but by simply stating the "stories" of the people of Manu'a.(and don't let me forget Margret Mead! How do you go live someplace for six months, don't learn the language and walk away an authority? I think the girls were having a joke...Samoan style...on her!) Oh...and remember...whether of the Anoalo line, or either of the two tua tamafafine lines...they all go back to the same source...so, it would be nice to stop arguing and try to make what we can of the stories we have. The need not be lost.

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