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SEARIDER

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#82
Dec 3, 2013
 
So there you have it Jestr, the people have spoken, they would much rather leave well alone. ITP found a site in which to confirm curiosity. No matter what one thinks, practice has come repetitive enough that it would bring change to a new lifestyle. Please no look at them/us any different. Peace to all, especially view!
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#83
Dec 3, 2013
 
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
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What the heck are you rattling on about?? I don't need a link to express my OWN beliefs/opinion laho.
U r always ready to drop a comment n a link every chance u get in our forum, swingin w eyes closed, but here u have some reservations, l wonder why? U r playing Canadian n it's unlike u, u r coward w out conviction n literally a puppet, no tenga.
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#84
Dec 3, 2013
 
SEARIDER wrote:
So there you have it Jestr, the people have spoken, they would much rather leave well alone. ITP found a site in which to confirm curiosity. No matter what one thinks, practice has come repetitive enough that it would bring change to a new lifestyle. Please no look at them/us any different. Peace to all, especially view!
I guess we will never know until we have new vote, but if America Samoa votes to remain dependent on America, I think it would be a foolish decision. Im sure there are people who want American Samoa to move towards independence and I trust if not today then in the near future they will make the right decision.

Independence is one of those things you'll only truly understand only after you've become independent. American Samoa should not confuse Americas struggle for independence with their own. They probably haven't witnessed the harsher, more vivid side of colonization, but they are experiencing the slow drain of that independent spirit of people who love their country possess.

If Big daddy USA would refuse to be unincorporated anything to anyone, then American Samoa follow that spirit of independence and make it happen,'view' said they make things happen there then they should do just that
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#85
Dec 3, 2013
 
SEARIDER wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A merican_Samoa
I know its a wiki site, but the context is there. Pago harbor, and Mau movement explanation solidify what ITP and myself wanted to bring to light.
If wiki is right t same criminals that forced Hawaii's illegal transfer of power to t U.S. r t same ones who orchestrated A. Samoa's less violent transfer of power. I am not a fan of wiki, but someone needs to correct it, if is wrong. Have a look.^^^^^ thanks Sea.

I know that t U.S. is t lesser of all evils, but t future of Polynesia, can b placed back to t hands of Polynesians, w out hiding behind western powers, it's too 19th century we need to move forward, into t 21st, before it's too late.

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#86
Dec 3, 2013
 
Benz2000 wrote:
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U r always ready to drop a comment n a link every chance u get in our forum, swingin w eyes closed, but here u have some reservations, l wonder why? U r playing Canadian n it's unlike u, u r coward w out conviction n literally a puppet, no tenga.
Well I just posted one before. Happy now usi?? Now you can go back to stalking FW hehehe...

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Dec 3, 2013
 
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I guess we will never know until we have new vote, but if America Samoa votes to remain dependent on America, I think it would be a foolish decision. Im sure there are people who want American Samoa to move towards independence and I trust if not today then in the near future they will make the right decision.
Independence is one of those things you'll only truly understand only after you've become independent. American Samoa should not confuse Americas struggle for independence with their own. They probably haven't witnessed the harsher, more vivid side of colonization, but they are experiencing the slow drain of that independent spirit of people who love their country possess.
If Big daddy USA would refuse to be unincorporated anything to anyone, then American Samoa follow that spirit of independence and make it happen,'view' said they make things happen there then they should do just that
Are you saying they should become independent just for the sake of being independent?? Doesn't sound like a good argument.
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Dec 3, 2013
 
This may not seem to be a noteworthy site, but it's the quotes he/she uses which validates using...

.......http://www.123helpme.co m/view.asp?id=36113
SEARIDER

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Dec 3, 2013
 
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Dec 3, 2013
 
"The document concluded with the various matai swearing allegiance to the United States. It also stated the entitlements they gained, which allowed them to retain their control of their individual towns or villages, as long as that control was in accordance with U.S. laws established in the islands and that peace was maintained among the people."

This is revealing to what I meant by what made it easy to cede.
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#91
Dec 4, 2013
 
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Are you saying they should become independent just for the sake of being independent?? Doesn't sound like a good argument.
I reckon Samoans from Western Samoa are more proud of the Samoan way of life. Look at 'views' arguments, he arguing his half Samoan/half American way which is hella messed up and he dont even know it. Would you see a Fijian or Tongan argue British ideals? Would a Western Samoan argue German or Kiwi ideals? No! Samoans, Fijians, Tongans I truly believe because of independence have a clearer view of their identity. Identity is more than money or anything of material value in this world.

Look at all the indigenous people who were taken over by greater powers ages ago, where are they now? That's right most of them are dust in the wind, fully merged and part of that greater power. Why do you think rebels in certain countries fight terribly hard for independence? They fight for their identity, they fight for their ideals, they fight for a homeland where their ideals are given a greater chance to live on throughout the ages.
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#92
Dec 4, 2013
 
American Samoa probably dont even need to fight, just choose what they want to do
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#93
Dec 4, 2013
 
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Well I just posted one before. Happy now usi?? Now you can go back to stalking FW hehehe...
About time laho, n what a sad testament of t complacency of our people to take t driving seat secure a Samoa for all Samoans, if that was Tonga we would have thrown up t finger n showed them t road.

Where is our Samoan pride, what makes these poor people think that they can't do a better job than t U.S. T saddest is Manu'a, he died echoing t fact they weren't part of Manono Is. n went to t ground w his title that Tui was resoundingly Tongan in his declaration not Samoan. Samoa, sign sign sign like t Fisi. U might b right Creasey, Samoa is more like t Fisi.

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#94
Dec 4, 2013
 
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I reckon Samoans from Western Samoa are more proud of the Samoan way of life. Look at 'views' arguments, he arguing his half Samoan/half American way which is hella messed up and he dont even know it. Would you see a Fijian or Tongan argue British ideals? Would a Western Samoan argue German or Kiwi ideals? No! Samoans, Fijians, Tongans I truly believe because of independence have a clearer view of their identity. Identity is more than money or anything of material value in this world.
Look at all the indigenous people who were taken over by greater powers ages ago, where are they now? That's right most of them are dust in the wind, fully merged and part of that greater power. Why do you think rebels in certain countries fight terribly hard for independence? They fight for their identity, they fight for their ideals, they fight for a homeland where their ideals are given a greater chance to live on throughout the ages.
And you know that how?? You ever been to either Western or American Samoa?? As it happens, I have family from Am. Samoa and they ae just as proud to be Samoan as I am. So I don't know what you're on about. And I don't know why you mentioning Fiji and Tonga anyway since both are apart of the British Commonwealth and were heavily influenced by Britain. Obviously that's not a bad thing but it is at odds with your rant about 'ideals'. Look at your own Royal Family - the crown, the throne, the attire, some of the 'protocols', the three class system etc. Where do you think that all came from?? All of those can qualify as 'ideals'. This proves that you don't have to be colonised in order to feel the effects of colonisation. Just look at Japan and you'll see...

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Dec 4, 2013
 
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About time laho, n what a sad testament of t complacency of our people to take t driving seat secure a Samoa for all Samoans, if that was Tonga we would have thrown up t finger n showed them t road.
Where is our Samoan pride, what makes these poor people think that they can't do a better job than t U.S. T saddest is Manu'a, he died echoing t fact they weren't part of Manono Is. n went to t ground w his title that Tui was resoundingly Tongan in his declaration not Samoan. Samoa, sign sign sign like t Fisi. U might b right Creasey, Samoa is more like t Fisi.
Do you think Tonga was important like Samoa was?? Of course not. You must of read Sea's link about the three powers being DESPERATE to acquire Samoa. Germany even gave up a few colonies just for half of Samoa. The Tui Manu'a TRIED to resist the Americans but they bullied him into submission. Did anyone try and do that to Tonga?? Nope. Germany may have done that but they gave up Tonga to Britain and focused on Samoa. In your pathetic little imagination, Tonga simply 'threw up the middle finger' and sent Germany packing. But obviously that was never the case.

Benz - the deluded crack pot LMAO...
jestr

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Dec 4, 2013
 
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
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And you know that how?? You ever been to either Western or American Samoa?? As it happens, I have family from Am. Samoa and they ae just as proud to be Samoan as I am. So I don't know what you're on about. And I don't know why you mentioning Fiji and Tonga anyway since both are apart of the British Commonwealth and were heavily influenced by Britain. Obviously that's not a bad thing but it is at odds with your rant about 'ideals'. Look at your own Royal Family - the crown, the throne, the attire, some of the 'protocols', the three class system etc. Where do you think that all came from?? All of those can qualify as 'ideals'. This proves that you don't have to be colonised in order to feel the effects of colonisation. Just look at Japan and you'll see...
Westernization can be a part of the 'effects of colonization', but in cases where it was not colonized it would be incorrect to say they too feel the effects of colonization. Japan may be westernized on the outside, but the Japanese core ideals are very much alive.
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Dec 4, 2013
 
IncreaseThePeace312 wrote:
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Do you think Tonga was important like Samoa was?? Of course not. You must of read Sea's link about the three powers being DESPERATE to acquire Samoa. Germany even gave up a few colonies just for half of Samoa. The Tui Manu'a TRIED to resist the Americans but they bullied him into submission. Did anyone try and do that to Tonga?? Nope. Germany may have done that but they gave up Tonga to Britain and focused on Samoa. In your pathetic little imagination, Tonga simply 'threw up the middle finger' and sent Germany packing. But obviously that was never the case.
Benz - the deluded crack pot LMAO...
Aaaah, lil crack is an ezy fix, yo cowardice is epic, n irreversible. T Germs were in Tonga first n was unsuccessful, my ancestors all meet n decided in Po'ono Vavau, that they will not surrender to any foreign power, give em death or give liberty, very much like t revolutionist in early America, n from there they united n a new line of ruling dynasty evolved, hence t term Mate Ma'a Tonga, die for Tonga. If by any fault to us, we r phoc'd let it b by our own follies, but to place our people n land known by us for thousands of millinieums to a bunch of red necks who don't give a phoc who we r, is Samoa n da rest of Polynesia's problem, never Tonga's problem, so Creasey shudd yo arz down, u r making all Samoans look bad.
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#98
Dec 4, 2013
 
"The U.S. Congress approved these documents under the 1929 Ratification Act (48 U.S.C. 1661). Section 1661 states as follows:

“Until Congress shall provide for the government of such islands, all civil, judicial, and military powers shall be vested in such person or persons and shall be exercised in such manner as the President of the United States shall direct; and the President shall have power to remove said officers and fill the vacancies so occasioned.”(emphasis added)"
http://www.house.gov/list/speech/as00_faleoma...

Such powers are given to a leader they did not even elect. If Am. Samoa was independent, no leader besides Am. Samoa's own has a right to remove a leader without attacking a countries sovereignty.

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Dec 4, 2013
 
jestr wrote:
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Westernization can be a part of the 'effects of colonization', but in cases where it was not colonized it would be incorrect to say they too feel the effects of colonization. Japan may be westernized on the outside, but the Japanese core ideals are very much alive.
If you have watched 'The Last Samurai', you should know that's a lie. It may just have been a movie but it does reflect the true story of samurai and other 'conservatives' being very unhappy about Japan becoming Westernised. It wasn't that they were against the West like some sick Al Qaeda fruit cake, they were just alarmed at the thought of Japan being bullied and taken advantage of. Their old ways were also becoming lost. Isn't that why many people hated colonisation??

"Japan may be westernized on the outside, but the Japanese core ideals are very much alive."

Such as??

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Dec 4, 2013
 
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Aaaah, lil crack is an ezy fix, yo cowardice is epic, n irreversible. T Germs were in Tonga first n was unsuccessful, my ancestors all meet n decided in Po'ono Vavau, that they will not surrender to any foreign power, give em death or give liberty, very much like t revolutionist in early America, n from there they united n a new line of ruling dynasty evolved, hence t term Mate Ma'a Tonga, die for Tonga. If by any fault to us, we r phoc'd let it b by our own follies, but to place our people n land known by us for thousands of millinieums to a bunch of red necks who don't give a phoc who we r, is Samoa n da rest of Polynesia's problem, never Tonga's problem, so Creasey shudd yo arz down, u r making all Samoans look bad.
Ohh really?? Well you always like it when I post links...

"By surrendering all rights in Samoa, the United Kingdom 'obtained extensive compensation from Germany elsewhere,' in effect,'transfer of all of the German rights in the Tonga group including that of establishing a naval and coaling station, and the right of extraterritoriality; the shifting of the line of demarcation between German and British islands in the Solomon group so as to give to Great Britain all the German islands to the east and southeast of the island of Bougainville; the division of the so-called neutral zone in West Africa by a definite boundary line between British and German possessions; the promise of Germany to take into consideration, as much and as far as possible, the wishes which the Government of Great Britain may express with regard to the development of reciprocal tariffs in the territories of Togo and the Gold Coast; the renouncing by Germany of her rights of extraterritoriality in Zanzibar.'"

You were saying tokz?? Ahahahaha...

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#101
Dec 4, 2013
 
jestr wrote:
"The U.S. Congress approved these documents under the 1929 Ratification Act (48 U.S.C. 1661). Section 1661 states as follows:
“Until Congress shall provide for the government of such islands, all civil, judicial, and military powers shall be vested in such person or persons and shall be exercised in such manner as the President of the United States shall direct; and the President shall have power to remove said officers and fill the vacancies so occasioned.”(emphasis added)"
http://www.house.gov/list/speech/as00_faleoma...
Such powers are given to a leader they did not even elect. If Am. Samoa was independent, no leader besides Am. Samoa's own has a right to remove a leader without attacking a countries sovereignty.
And since when was the King of Tonga elected?? LOL...

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