stopit

Australia

#286 Dec 13, 2012
Sasa wrote:
stop it with all these false accusations u trying to poison us with, this is an outrage and will not be tolerated lightly, your 3x a day banana entitlements has now been wiped out and u will now be on cage arrest u spoilt ungreatful ape lol.....stop it with these lies stop it , hahaha please
LMAOOOOO LOL... i'm getting jelly coz samoa having an affair with Fiti roflmaoo ha ha ha
fine... i'm faalii now,goin back to Toga lol

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#287 Dec 13, 2012
stopit wrote:
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Be careful now..Tu'iTonga has alwayz been there.When you say TuiFiti,it was not necessarily the case...meaning,he was a Chief from Fiti,samoanz referred to him as TuiFiti,but he wasn't literally the King of Fiti(Tuiviti)... the timez you're referring too,are the timez of the TogaFiti ... offff course samoa don't remember Tu'iTonga at that time,coz TogaFiti clan invaded samoa before 'Aho'eituz time... ha ha ha ha trying to shut out Tu'iTonga...Get off your pepelo that Tuimanua is older than Tu'iTonga!!!... why do you think PingPong braggz TogaFiti??!.. i'm not sure what type of aryan race he talkin bout though lmaooo
you of all people should know hez pulling ya fellaz legz ha ha ha lol se he meanz aryan as in pure meauli lol.
Stop it

Actually the Tui Tonga title is a much younger title compared to Tui Fiti and Tui Manu'a. Even Tongan legends verify the Tui Manu'a title as being older then the Tui Tonga title for the Tui Tonga title did not exist until later when Samoans migrated to Tonga.

* Whats so interesting about the establishment of Ahoeitu in Tonga is that this event was remembered and is actually very detailed for example:

Ahoeitu the first TT's father was Samoan. A migration of Samoans to Tonga took place during the time of Ahoeitu. The Samoans first landed on the east end of the island near Lafonga, where they settled and after living there for many years, eventually removed to the east entrance into Mua inlet, and some of them still live there today.

If you translate TogaFiti or Togafisi it literally translates to South Fijians. Just something to think about.

Soifua
stopit

Australia

#288 Dec 13, 2012
TOA wrote:
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Stop it
Actually the Tui Tonga title is a much younger title compared to Tui Fiti and Tui Manu'a. Even Tongan legends verify the Tui Manu'a title as being older then the Tui Tonga title for the Tui Tonga title did not exist until later when Samoans migrated to Tonga.
* Whats so interesting about the establishment of Ahoeitu in Tonga is that this event was remembered and is actually very detailed for example:
Ahoeitu the first TT's father was Samoan. A migration of Samoans to Tonga took place during the time of Ahoeitu. The Samoans first landed on the east end of the island near Lafonga, where they settled and after living there for many years, eventually removed to the east entrance into Mua inlet, and some of them still live there today.
If you translate TogaFiti or Togafisi it literally translates to South Fijians. Just something to think about.
Soifua
Toa..Every myth and legendz vary from Island to Island,just because thatz what your myth sayz,doesn't mean we have to follow it!!Where do you think Va'epopua got her high status from??Think about it??I still haven't seen one person mention why Tu'iToga and Tuimanua linkz are so tight??I'm telling you it goes beyond 'Aho'eitu,you people think it started with 'Aho'eitu??...nooot!!The original myth of 'Aho'eituz father was a god straight from heaven.. later on people shift it as a Samoan chief,thatz fine by me..and migration of samoanz to serve 'Aho'eitu was normal practice,no difference like the migration of Limapo and samoanz to serve Ngata!!Even way after 'Aho'eituz time,Samoanz were still migrating to Toga due to the Tu'iToga connection... Limapo and her delegationz was nothing new!!!
TogaFiti does not mean "south fijianz" TogaFiti came about when Tonganz and Fijianz invaded Samoa.. That was the day Tu'iToga broke his Pact with Tuimanua..but you people wouldn't know about that pact... think about it,like i've alwayz stated...you people keep saying Toga and Samoa are the same people but youse have no idea why???LMAOOO LOL ....

think beyond the theory bookz your clinging too!!!

ps..I know what the pact was between Tu'iToga and Tuimanua... the day someone mentionz it,is the day i'll share my story....malo soifua!!!

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#289 Dec 13, 2012
TOA wrote:
Kava Farmer
Thank you for the info we could actually learn alot from each other if we stop with all the arguing.
* Tui Fiti is well known in Samoan Legends and its interesting because before the Tui Tonga title ever existed Samoan Legends were mainly about Tagaloa/Tui Manu'a, Tui Fiti and Sina etc....
There's time and space for everything! Now is the time for in-depth discussions hahaha. We'll fight later, when peace gets boring lol.

Tui Viti could possibly be an extremely ancient title, which is why the memory of him is scarce...
I don't know the particular point in history where 'Tui fiti',(possibly the ancestors of Cakobau) created links through the damsel called sina... But there's another sina of which I know who was of noble Samoan heritage. She was the wife of the 'Tui Tunuloa' in Vanua Levu, a very long time ago... North of the kingdom of Tui Tunuloa is the ancient settlement under the mountain called 'Manuka'!

>Just want to make an observation out of context... Ancient Fijian culture dictates that marriages are to be between cousins... Say, Tui Manu'a of Samoa was an ancient king from Vanua Levu in Manuka, and was related to 'Tui Tunuloa'. Could the marriage of the daughter of Tui Manu'a called Sina and the son of Tui Tunuloa be a possibility through cultural obligations? If so, would it be a possibility that Tui Tunuloa was the Tui Fiti of the ancient days? These are just assumptions, not to be taken as a valid observations.

Back to the topic, the descendants of Tui Viti(Lutunasobasoba) from the time of its inception have branched into literally thousands of clans all spread out throughout Fiji. It would be difficult to claim Tui Viti when everyone else is heir to it, hence the reason why Fijians don't recognize Cakobau, even-though cakobau has full right to claim the throne! In saying that, the Tui Fiti that Samoa talks of is probably an actual Tui Viti from a very very long time ago!
Munoa

Lower Hutt, New Zealand

#290 Dec 14, 2012
Tonga-Fiti clan as later known Tongan(Mixed Melanesian& Polynean Clan) lived in the Lau group (Fiji), Tonga and Manu'a (Samoa). Tonga-Fiti clan travelled freely among these island groups in the old days as their home before the European draw boundries and new map for the world. There were other clans lived in these Islands too. Think about it if we were lived in the last 1500 years ago. People in the Pacific Islands lived happily without any depts to worry about. Merry xmas to you all fellow cus.
stopit

Australia

#291 Dec 14, 2012
KavaFarmer wrote:
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Tui Viti could possibly be an extremely ancient title, which is why the memory of him is scarce...
I don't know the particular point in history where 'Tui fiti',(possibly the ancestors of Cakobau) created links through the damsel called sina... But there's another sina of which I know who was of noble Samoan heritage. She was the wife of the 'Tui Tunuloa' in Vanua Levu, a very long time ago... North of the kingdom of Tui Tunuloa is the ancient settlement under the mountain called 'Manuka'!
>Just want to make an observation out of context... Ancient Fijian culture dictates that marriages are to be between cousins... Say, Tui Manu'a of Samoa was an ancient king from Vanua Levu in Manuka, and was related to 'Tui Tunuloa'. Could the marriage of the daughter of Tui Manu'a called Sina and the son of Tui Tunuloa be a possibility through cultural obligations? If so, would it be a possibility that Tui Tunuloa was the Tui Fiti of the ancient days? These are just assumptions, not to be taken as a valid observations.
Back to the topic, the descendants of Tui Viti(Lutunasobasoba) from the time of its inception have branched into literally thousands of clans all spread out throughout Fiji. It would be difficult to claim Tui Viti when everyone else is heir to it, hence the reason why Fijians don't recognize Cakobau, even-though cakobau has full right to claim the throne! In saying that, the Tui Fiti that Samoa talks of is probably an actual Tui Viti from a very very long time ago!
Kava.. There was a lot of chiefz that could claim and also heir to the title TuiViti..since ancient timez,which is why even though Cakobau was given TuiViti,he was not fully recognized by Viti as a whole!!Thiz is what was told to me from my Fisi side...

"TuiViti is pretty much new,it was never a traditional Kingly title in Fiji,it only came about during the time of Cakobau...after Tanoa died"

.. they never accepted a single TuiViti in ancient timez till today.. now do you understand what i meant regarding TuiViti on my post to TOA.
A high ranked chief of Fiji will be recognized as TuiViti on foreign soil(Tonga and Samoa etc)but never recognized as TuiViti on Fijian soil lmaoo lol ha ha ha ... do you hear me ha ha ha

Fijian contactz with Samoa are of Samoan legendz,and recent contactz...not extensive like the contactz with Tonga... letz just say Tonga was the gateway between Fiji and Samoa...

TuiViti is ancient,but the practice of it as a King of Fiji as a whole is new...Cakobauz time,and the last time lmaoooo if it wasn't for the British,he wouldn't have been known as TuiViti ha ha ha lmaooo... the TuiViti Samoa talks of is from samoan legendz and mythz,like i said...there are a few TuiViti versionz in Samoa,but they weren't literally the King of Fiji... same as the onez that resided in Tonga and clan talez,were known as a Tu'iFisi..

moce.... jus a lil roach for you to puff on lol
timpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#292 Dec 14, 2012
stopit wrote:
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Kava.. There was a lot of chiefz that could claim and also heir to the title TuiViti..since ancient timez,which is why even though Cakobau was given TuiViti,he was not fully recognized by Viti as a whole!!Thiz is what was told to me from my Fisi side...
"TuiViti is pretty much new,it was never a traditional Kingly title in Fiji,it only came about during the time of Cakobau...after Tanoa died"
.. they never accepted a single TuiViti in ancient timez till today.. now do you understand what i meant regarding TuiViti on my post to TOA.
A high ranked chief of Fiji will be recognized as TuiViti on foreign soil(Tonga and Samoa etc)but never recognized as TuiViti on Fijian soil lmaoo lol ha ha ha ... do you hear me ha ha ha
Fijian contactz with Samoa are of Samoan legendz,and recent contactz...not extensive like the contactz with Tonga... letz just say Tonga was the gateway between Fiji and Samoa...
TuiViti is ancient,but the practice of it as a King of Fiji as a whole is new...Cakobauz time,and the last time lmaoooo if it wasn't for the British,he wouldn't have been known as TuiViti ha ha ha lmaooo... the TuiViti Samoa talks of is from samoan legendz and mythz,like i said...there are a few TuiViti versionz in Samoa,but they weren't literally the King of Fiji... same as the onez that resided in Tonga and clan talez,were known as a Tu'iFisi..
moce.... jus a lil roach for you to puff on lol
Its funny because fiji is made up by many kingdoms lol but its the same country as tonga ahahahahah tongafisi is a race which everyone call us fijian or tongan by because we are a totaly pure race we do look pure melnesian nor polynesian but pure aryran race tonga/fisi the people of empire and our country poluto
ulu poki

Orlando, FL

#293 Dec 14, 2012
timpingpong wrote:
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Its funny because fiji is made up by many kingdoms lol but its the same country as tonga ahahahahah tongafisi is a race which everyone call us fijian or tongan by because we are a totaly pure race we do look pure melnesian nor polynesian but pure aryran race tonga/fisi the people of empire and our country poluto
hahahahahahaha...
timpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#294 Dec 14, 2012
I
Soraia wrote:
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You still wishing so aye,, Hahahaha!
For you I don't mind at all soria ahahahah
stopit

Australia

#295 Dec 14, 2012
timpingpong wrote:
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Its funny because fiji is made up by many kingdoms lol but its the same country as tonga ahahahahah tongafisi is a race which everyone call us fijian or tongan by because we are a totaly pure race we do look pure melnesian nor polynesian but pure aryran race tonga/fisi the people of empire and our country poluto
hahahaha.. Don't worry,i don't deny you lol.. many kingdomz and and many kingz... TuiBurotu lol..
crack up dude lmaoooo.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#296 Dec 14, 2012
ulu poki wrote:
<quoted text>hahahahahahaha...
Lol
stopit

Australia

#297 Dec 14, 2012
Munoa wrote:
Tonga-Fiti clan as later known Tongan(Mixed Melanesian& Polynean Clan) lived in the Lau group (Fiji), Tonga and Manu'a (Samoa). Tonga-Fiti clan travelled freely among these island groups in the old days as their home before the European draw boundries and new map for the world. There were other clans lived in these Islands too. Think about it if we were lived in the last 1500 years ago. People in the Pacific Islands lived happily without any depts to worry about. Merry xmas to you all fellow cus.
Malo.. thatz true!! Merry Xmas to you2!!!

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#298 Dec 14, 2012
stopit wrote:
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Kava.. There was a lot of chiefz that could claim and also heir to the title TuiViti..since ancient timez,which is why even though Cakobau was given TuiViti,he was not fully recognized by Viti as a whole!!Thiz is what was told to me from my Fisi side...
"TuiViti is pretty much new,it was never a traditional Kingly title in Fiji,it only came about during the time of Cakobau...after Tanoa died"
.. they never accepted a single TuiViti in ancient timez till today.. now do you understand what i meant regarding TuiViti on my post to TOA.
A high ranked chief of Fiji will be recognized as TuiViti on foreign soil(Tonga and Samoa etc)but never recognized as TuiViti on Fijian soil lmaoo lol ha ha ha ... do you hear me ha ha ha
Fijian contactz with Samoa are of Samoan legendz,and recent contactz...not extensive like the contactz with Tonga... letz just say Tonga was the gateway between Fiji and Samoa...
TuiViti is ancient,but the practice of it as a King of Fiji as a whole is new...Cakobauz time,and the last time lmaoooo if it wasn't for the British,he wouldn't have been known as TuiViti ha ha ha lmaooo... the TuiViti Samoa talks of is from samoan legendz and mythz,like i said...there are a few TuiViti versionz in Samoa,but they weren't literally the King of Fiji... same as the onez that resided in Tonga and clan talez,were known as a Tu'iFisi..
moce.... jus a lil roach for you to puff on lol
Don't eat roach much man haha I ain't Tongan enough lol. Yeh, Tui Viti could have existed given the amount of resentment from the surrounding tribes towards Cakobau, hinting that the title did exist at some point and Cakobau wasn't the correct heir so to speak. And as you've stated, even-though a Tui Viti could have existed, he couldn't have had dominion over Fiji as a whole... That was impossible then and still impossible now!

But in saying that, Tui Viti wasn't just any chief who ventured into foreign soil. He was who he said he was. That was how people roll back in the day, they relied on their mana and their power of arms to certify their identity. This can be seen through Fijian chiefs who go by their own titles like Tui Laucala who fought in Samoa, and Tui Moturiki who was very much intermingling with Tonga for a long time, Tui Vakano and many other chiefs from various distant dominions within Fiji. They were indeed kings in Fiji but were not Tui Viti per say. You get me?

There is one story that speaks on the state of Fiji before cannibalism started to take root in our culture. The story is vague in my mind but it talks about a land divided by a river of blood. On both side were two identical countries whose power was matched and they fought alot. The name of the two is Daveta Tabu and Vuni ivi levu. I think one or both of them was submerged under the ocean. That's all I remember... This story should hint on how ancient Fijians really are... We talking about thousands of years literally. In that amount of time, there is bound to be a man that was called,'Tui Viti'.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#299 Dec 14, 2012
Annabelle wrote:
oops sorry read it wrong, understand with all the shit on here, da mai lialia/gavui ga! lmao
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Se con duka...you just wanted to say veicai hahahaha. Alguds.
timpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#300 Dec 14, 2012
Munoa wrote:
Tonga-Fiti clan as later known Tongan(Mixed Melanesian& Polynean Clan) lived in the Lau group (Fiji), Tonga and Manu'a (Samoa). Tonga-Fiti clan travelled freely among these island groups in the old days as their home before the European draw boundries and new map for the world. There were other clans lived in these Islands too. Think about it if we were lived in the last 1500 years ago. People in the Pacific Islands lived happily without any depts to worry about. Merry xmas to you all fellow cus.
Tonga fiti is a aryan race of fijian and tongan your slaves that all that matters to me. Manua anit shiiit he was tui vitis bitich from savusavu lamooo
timpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#301 Dec 14, 2012
stopit wrote:
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hahahaha.. Don't worry,i don't deny you lol.. many kingdomz and and many kingz... TuiBurotu lol..
crack up dude lmaoooo.
There are to many tui in fiji and tonga compare to samoa there isn't lOoOl only random names of low rank cheifs lol
timpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#302 Dec 14, 2012
Kitkat27 wrote:
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Lol
We fijian and tongan are aryrans kitkat from the sweet shop just because we have 7 empires and enslaved samoa is better then nothing.
timpingpong

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#303 Dec 14, 2012
ulu poki wrote:
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hahahahahahaha...
All hail tonga/fisi

Since: May 10

American Samoa

#304 Dec 15, 2012
timpingpong wrote:
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We fijian and tongan are aryrans kitkat from the sweet shop just because we have 7 empires and enslaved samoa is better then nothing.
So the real Fijians are the Rotumans and the rest are immigrants from PNG n India, I am thinking outside the box...lol

TOA

“"TUI MANU'A LO'U ALI'I E"”

Since: Jun 09

Compton, CA

#305 Dec 15, 2012
Stop it

Actually the history of Tui Manu'a ruling Tonga and Ahoeitu the first TT's father being a powerful Samoan Chief is mainly from Tongan traditions hence so many Tongan Historians address the Tui Manu'a Empire of Samoa and Ahoeitu's connection to Samoa.

* Its interesting because When Samoans migrate to Tonga Kings are established for example Ahoeitu and Ngata.

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