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#1 Aug 28, 2012
It baffles me why the most powerful countries in the world Great Brittan, United States and Germany would invest so much time, money and blood for such insignificant islands.

Britain at the time was at the peak of its empire, America a young country but very powerful and Germany a dominate player in the industrial age. Why would these countries make such a fuss over the lands, of pagans and barbarians.(As they would put it)

Three great Wars were fought over the island chain; both Havaii and Fiji were subject to underhanded tactics by, bullying and bloodshed.

Until i heard a comment from a movie trailer i had seen about Havaii. It went, "Who ever controls Hawaii, controls the pacific."

Its sad thinking how our people from Havaii, Samoa, Maori, Kuki and Ka Viti, all of the Moana were so unprepared for the White man.

The Wars, Diseases, Drugs and Alcohol, they brought almost destroyed us.

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#2 Aug 30, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
It baffles me why the most powerful countries in the world Great Brittan, United States and Germany would invest so much time, money and blood for such insignificant islands.
Britain at the time was at the peak of its empire, America a young country but very powerful and Germany a dominate player in the industrial age. Why would these countries make such a fuss over the lands, of pagans and barbarians.(As they would put it)
Three great Wars were fought over the island chain; both Havaii and Fiji were subject to underhanded tactics by, bullying and bloodshed.
Until i heard a comment from a movie trailer i had seen about Havaii. It went, "Who ever controls Hawaii, controls the pacific."
Its sad thinking how our people from Havaii, Samoa, Maori, Kuki and Ka Viti, all of the Moana were so unprepared for the White man.
The Wars, Diseases, Drugs and Alcohol, they brought almost destroyed us.
From your own point of view/perspective as a Samoan? Has it been beneficial to Samoans? That its nation was split in half... One for America and western to whomever it went to back in the days...??
How do you feel about that? Has it actually worked out fine? please explain... very interesting...,

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#3 Aug 30, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>From your own point of view/perspective as a Samoan? Has it been beneficial to Samoans? That its nation was split in half... One for America and western to whomever it went to back in the days...??
How do you feel about that? Has it actually worked out fine? please explain... very interesting...,
Any nation divide is a failed nation. The division between the two islands states has been around for so long that now Samoans from the Western side and Eastern view each other as different people. And chances of a uniting all of Samoa without internal conflict may never happen.
The worst thing is that years of land being occupied means that if the U.S relinquish ownership, there would be land disputes as to who are the tradition owners. For example the Airport at Satapuala.
Now who would be considered the true Ao/ Tupu/ Head of State would it remain under the independent Samoa Head of State or shall they seek out the many descendents of Tui'manua all claiming the position.
If Samoa was united peacefully, we would own the 2nd largest piece of ocean by any pacific island nation, the resources from that alone would solve alot of finiancial prblems. We would also be the third island nation to have a military since America Samoa already has mass bases, programms and tradition for armed service. There would be alot of great oppontuities but the army thing worries me.
Although the three islands of Fiji, Tonga and Samoa have had long and Ancient ties to one another, we have also been at war with each other before. And with corrput officials in Fiji, who knows what would happen.
But someday there would be a unity.

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#4 Aug 31, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
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Any nation divide is a failed nation. The division between the two islands states has been around for so long that now Samoans from the Western side and Eastern view each other as different people. And chances of a uniting all of Samoa without internal conflict may never happen.
The worst thing is that years of land being occupied means that if the U.S relinquish ownership, there would be land disputes as to who are the tradition owners. For example the Airport at Satapuala.
Now who would be considered the true Ao/ Tupu/ Head of State would it remain under the independent Samoa Head of State or shall they seek out the many descendents of Tui'manua all claiming the position.
If Samoa was united peacefully, we would own the 2nd largest piece of ocean by any pacific island nation, the resources from that alone would solve alot of finiancial prblems. We would also be the third island nation to have a military since America Samoa already has mass bases, programms and tradition for armed service. There would be alot of great oppontuities but the army thing worries me.
Although the three islands of Fiji, Tonga and Samoa have had long and Ancient ties to one another, we have also been at war with each other before. And with corrput officials in Fiji, who knows what would happen.
But someday there would be a unity.
wow!! just amazing and so true. do you think the Faa Samoa in American Samoa differs from that of Western Samoa's??

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#5 Sep 1, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>wow!! just amazing and so true. do you think the Faa Samoa in American Samoa differs from that of Western Samoa's??
Not really. The only difference is American Samoa is broke and thier head of state is high chief Barack Obama.LOL

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Since: Apr 09

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#6 Sep 2, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
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Any nation divide is a failed nation. The division between the two islands states has been around for so long that now Samoans from the Western side and Eastern view each other as different people. And chances of a uniting all of Samoa without internal conflict may never happen.
The worst thing is that years of land being occupied means that if the U.S relinquish ownership, there would be land disputes as to who are the tradition owners. For example the Airport at Satapuala.
Now who would be considered the true Ao/ Tupu/ Head of State would it remain under the independent Samoa Head of State or shall they seek out the many descendents of Tui'manua all claiming the position.
If Samoa was united peacefully, we would own the 2nd largest piece of ocean by any pacific island nation, the resources from that alone would solve alot of finiancial prblems. We would also be the third island nation to have a military since America Samoa already has mass bases, programms and tradition for armed service. There would be alot of great oppontuities but the army thing worries me.
Although the three islands of Fiji, Tonga and Samoa have had long and Ancient ties to one another, we have also been at war with each other before. And with corrput officials in Fiji, who knows what would happen.
But someday there would be a unity.
I find your view on American Samoa and the future of the two samoa very interesting. I don't know about the United States relinquish of ownership but American Samoa will remain a strong nation able to decide its own future. Not only has America accepted American Samoa into its home, they have also given American Samoa the opportunity to work with them and study their culture and at the same time given us the decision when to relinquish ties and make our own political future. Your worries about traditional titles and Ancient culture being lost is and easy one. Traditional titles and prestige have been changing hands from one family to another way before the arrival of the white man. We have lived though it and we surely can make those decisions again if we are to make them again.

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#7 Sep 2, 2012
soia wrote:
<quoted text>I find your view on American Samoa and the future of the two samoa very interesting. I don't know about the United States relinquish of ownership but American Samoa will remain a strong nation able to decide its own future. Not only has America accepted American Samoa into its home, they have also given American Samoa the opportunity to work with them and study their culture and at the same time given us the decision when to relinquish ties and make our own political future. Your worries about traditional titles and Ancient culture being lost is and easy one. Traditional titles and prestige have been changing hands from one family to another way before the arrival of the white man. We have lived though it and we surely can make those decisions again if we are to make them again.
If America Samoa was absorbed as a state of America, let us remember when Hawaii became a state and the destruction that happened to the true Hawaiians. It is ignorant to think that Samoa will retain the unique identity and culture under the yoke of known thieves called Anglo-America. History is the best to teach the present man of the outcomes of the future, and the palagi way of doing things is recorded through out history without failure, to only serve himself and his people and leave the natives as bums and beggers.

We already see that he has already exploited the Samoans in the East by plundering the waters of its resouces eg: Tuna industry, and when he was satisfied we left as usual. The tuna industry in America Samoa was estimated to be 60% of the nations economy and these Samoans have lost thier main source of income, as history the greatest teacher shows us. That when people cant get income begging, poverty and broken homes follow as fathers unble to provide often bounce. This in turn will plunge the country in debt and a people over reliant on hand outs and seeing the U.S in particular as saviours but in reality are the cause of the pain.

It should be all to familiar as the same tactics were used on Native Americans, Hawaiians, Maori and Blacks. And the repel affect can be seen to this day.

How can a future American Samoa of any period suppose to make decsions and progress with a broken economy. You need money to provide services and oppotunity and that just went out the window, the reliance on democratic system of samoa has leaned for to long on a broken pillar that its going to fall, and the cracks are already starting to show.This has weakened the influence and need of the Matai system as congress do not acknowledge fat old men in skirts.

But the advantage of having a Matai system is that it functions as a backup goverment if the primary one fails. Countries like afganistan or those in africa would have served very well if they had a secondary system of governance asserting order.But if we turn to island nations like Soloman islands who tossed the traditional system and put all thier eggs in one bag, as we can see now it has backfired. Europe also went through a mass dark age of lawlessness as rome fell so did everything else.

But anyway, America Samoa should cut the leech that drains it of its blood and they will save themselves.

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#8 Sep 2, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
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If America Samoa was absorbed as a state of America, let us remember when Hawaii became a state and the destruction that happened to the true Hawaiians. It is ignorant to think that Samoa will retain the unique identity and culture under the yoke of known thieves called Anglo-America. History is the best to teach the present man of the outcomes of the future, and the palagi way of doing things is recorded through out history without failure, to only serve himself and his people and leave the natives as bums and beggers.
We already see that he has already exploited the Samoans in the East by plundering the waters of its resouces eg: Tuna industry, and when he was satisfied we left as usual. The tuna industry in America Samoa was estimated to be 60% of the nations economy and these Samoans have lost thier main source of income, as history the greatest teacher shows us. That when people cant get income begging, poverty and broken homes follow as fathers unble to provide often bounce. This in turn will plunge the country in debt and a people over reliant on hand outs and seeing the U.S in particular as saviours but in reality are the cause of the pain.
It should be all to familiar as the same tactics were used on Native Americans, Hawaiians, Maori and Blacks. And the repel affect can be seen to this day.
How can a future American Samoa of any period suppose to make decsions and progress with a broken economy. You need money to provide services and oppotunity and that just went out the window, the reliance on democratic system of samoa has leaned for to long on a broken pillar that its going to fall, and the cracks are already starting to show.This has weakened the influence and need of the Matai system as congress do not acknowledge fat old men in skirts.
But the advantage of having a Matai system is that it functions as a backup goverment if the primary one fails. Countries like afganistan or those in africa would have served very well if they had a secondary system of governance asserting order.But if we turn to island nations like Soloman islands who tossed the traditional system and put all thier eggs in one bag, as we can see now it has backfired. Europe also went through a mass dark age of lawlessness as rome fell so did everything else.
But anyway, America Samoa should cut the leech that drains it of its blood and they will save themselves.
Your thoughts mirror the concerns of many of us who are either here in the States and/or those still back home. From what I gather with information by family members still living in Samoa there have been a lot migration of family and friends to the States, New Zealand, Australia, and various other countries due this loss of income.

The actions of those, before our time, to attempt and completely interject their way of life into various cultures in the South Pacific was not truly successful. As we all know, Karma is always watching and life always finds a way to balance the scale. The descendants of those who tried to "Domesticate" the islands and other cultures they have come in contact with are now trying to help reverse the "Damage" brought about by their ancestors. This is where I would use the term, "Turning in their graves".

I am relieved though that we do still have the Matai System to fall back on should the primary government fail. Much Respect!

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#9 Sep 2, 2012
Malo le faasoa,
American Samoa was given the chance to take over the abandon fish cannery, Samoa Packing when they left a few years back. The leaders of our government debated over the same issues you have mentioned like obtaining the vast income and the use of a large resource surrounding our islands. They have conclude that the maintenance and the expertise needed to operate such an corporation would be best left to those who can do the job. These opportunities will come again and when our people are ready to take over then we will.

I have stated before the wisdom of our forefathers to align themselves with the United States but it is with conditions. We are unlike Hawaii because we are still practicing our culture. We still have our land and families bestow titles every now and then. Male ava tele

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#10 Sep 2, 2012
p.s. even though our minimum wage is way below the U.S. national minimum wage. We however have one of the highest if not the highest in the South Pacific. In any culture we see a decline or loss of the old ways of doing things. It is part of our way of life. We continue to practice things we like to do and some of the things we used to do tend to be forgotten. There are some issues that needs to be addressed concerning the wellbeing of our citizens and its role as a pacific Islander. What can we do to "exploit" the great association we have with the U.S to better our Pacific Region. This is the global age where every nation must find its footing and help one another.
tompingpong

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#11 Sep 2, 2012
soia wrote:
p.s. even though our minimum wage is way below the U.S. national minimum wage. We however have one of the highest if not the highest in the South Pacific. In any culture we see a decline or loss of the old ways of doing things. It is part of our way of life. We continue to practice things we like to do and some of the things we used to do tend to be forgotten. There are some issues that needs to be addressed concerning the wellbeing of our citizens and its role as a pacific Islander. What can we do to "exploit" the great association we have with the U.S to better our Pacific Region. This is the global age where every nation must find its footing and help one another.
American Samoa are pure thats one fact their taller then the western one.
American Samoa is very talented in USA in NFL 56 times more likely to get in their pure in a way because 99% have nappy hair showing the pure not straight compare to western since they have a lot of Chinese blood.
American Samoa made the best hip-pop in the pacific even more better when they joined with the FIJIAN putting their country in the pacific and coming up with hits after hits i was even surprised there was another SAMOA most fijian didnt even know about it.
American SAMOA is totally different from western why because your bloodline comes from the tui manau which is a really different stock of bloodline and plus we fijian and Tongans have no record of taking over your island because we didnt rule American SAMOA i here your island was a built in fort and high hills.

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#12 Sep 3, 2012
tompingpong wrote:
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American Samoa are pure thats one fact their taller then the western one.
American Samoa is very talented in USA in NFL 56 times more likely to get in their pure in a way because 99% have nappy hair showing the pure not straight compare to western since they have a lot of Chinese blood.
American Samoa made the best hip-pop in the pacific even more better when they joined with the FIJIAN putting their country in the pacific and coming up with hits after hits i was even surprised there was another SAMOA most fijian didnt even know about it.
American SAMOA is totally different from western why because your bloodline comes from the tui manau which is a really different stock of bloodline and plus we fijian and Tongans have no record of taking over your island because we didnt rule American SAMOA i here your island was a built in fort and high hills.
I don't know about this chinese blood opinion of yours. Most Samoans have a wavy like hair and like I said Samoans on the west tend to do things similar to the British/ New Zealand/Australian while on the eastern side we tend to do things the American way. You can tell by their accent, their education system, their buildings, roads and cars. In ancient Samoa, Tutuila was part of the Tuiaana district, while the Manua had its own government. The Samoan Archipelago included all of Samoa and Manua then and now.
tuipinngpongslav emaster

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#13 Sep 3, 2012
soia wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know about this chinese blood opinion of yours. Most Samoans have a wavy like hair and like I said Samoans on the west tend to do things similar to the British/ New Zealand/Australian while on the eastern side we tend to do things the American way. You can tell by their accent, their education system, their buildings, roads and cars. In ancient Samoa, Tutuila was part of the Tuiaana district, while the Manua had its own government. The Samoan Archipelago included all of Samoa and Manua then and now.
no them buggers in western SAMOA came from fijian and Tongan blood when you look into their old picture you will see them traits fijian people was the one who ruled their island first until the royal bloods of fijian and Tonga came and ruled it together under the tui Tonga line they use to be the same when western free from themselves from FIJIAN AND TONGAN RULE FOR the LAST 500 years SAMOA was left with 2 kings one from the USA one and the other was from western thats were you 2 had your civil war. they are not pure their half breed chinkzzz just look at them compare to you and Tongans fijian with our wavy hair and are very tall. they must not touch the last pure SALMON in USA one keep them away. When you see their rugby team 1 fijian can take down 4 of them their short as hell trust me.
tuipinngpongslav emaster

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#14 Sep 3, 2012
soia wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know about this chinese blood opinion of yours. Most Samoans have a wavy like hair and like I said Samoans on the west tend to do things similar to the British/ New Zealand/Australian while on the eastern side we tend to do things the American way. You can tell by their accent, their education system, their buildings, roads and cars. In ancient Samoa, Tutuila was part of the Tuiaana district, while the Manua had its own government. The Samoan Archipelago included all of Samoa and Manua then and now.
when they free them self s the tui viti was really pissed off and went to western SAMOA and enslaved them to come to FIJI and all their followers. Then the German moved in they came with 40 thousand Chinese you know what happen from there thats why most in western have chinkgy names like fong wing wing wong this family ruling SAMOA are fakes the real power was killed off when the movement came from western SAMOA they were kicked out to other islands Some went to FIJI. SUVA named after SAVI in upolu their clans live there.
tuipinngpongslav emaster

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#15 Sep 3, 2012
soia wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know about this chinese blood opinion of yours. Most Samoans have a wavy like hair and like I said Samoans on the west tend to do things similar to the British/ New Zealand/Australian while on the eastern side we tend to do things the American way. You can tell by their accent, their education system, their buildings, roads and cars. In ancient Samoa, Tutuila was part of the Tuiaana district, while the Manua had its own government. The Samoan Archipelago included all of Samoa and Manua then and now.
western SAMOA is totally different in term of their history we the fijian and Tongans of the tonga/fisi race in western Polynesia will deal with this BS history no one will come to stop the tonga/fisi race as a USA SAMOAN you must keep out of this affair this between the Tonga/fisi race we going to put right everything that belongs to our people.

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#16 Sep 3, 2012
soia wrote:
Malo le faasoa,
American Samoa was given the chance to take over the abandon fish cannery, Samoa Packing when they left a few years back. The leaders of our government debated over the same issues you have mentioned like obtaining the vast income and the use of a large resource surrounding our islands. They have conclude that the maintenance and the expertise needed to operate such an corporation would be best left to those who can do the job. These opportunities will come again and when our people are ready to take over then we will.
I have stated before the wisdom of our forefathers to align themselves with the United States but it is with conditions. We are unlike Hawaii because we are still practicing our culture. We still have our land and families bestow titles every now and then. Male ava tele
The conditions put forth by our ancestors, I believe, is the fine lining in the treaty between American Samoa and the U.S. I did not know that our government was contemplating the utilizing of the closed canneries but I am very relieved that they came to a wise conclusion. A lot of our brethren are scattered throughout the globe and have attained success in a variety of professions and our government knows this as well.

Like you "Soia" I am very grateful that our culture is still being practiced. No matter where the winds take us, we are still the legacies of Samoa, in us and those after our bloodlines will live on. Male ava, male fa'aaloalo!

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#17 Sep 3, 2012
tuipinngpongslavemaster wrote:
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when they free them self s the tui viti was really pissed off and went to western SAMOA and enslaved them to come to FIJI and all their followers. Then the German moved in they came with 40 thousand Chinese you know what happen from there thats why most in western have chinkgy names like fong wing wing wong this family ruling SAMOA are fakes the real power was killed off when the movement came from western SAMOA they were kicked out to other islands Some went to FIJI. SUVA named after SAVI in upolu their clans live there.
Have you visited Western Samoa? Those Wong last names are only a bit fraction of the islands population. We here in American Samoa are no different from our brothers on the West. I too have some Portugese blood. My great great great grand father came to the islands in the early 1800s. I also have Caucasian blood from back in the early 1800s and of course my Tongan blood. There is an island in Tonga that is named after my ancestor's home island.(OFU). it is a small island near Vava'u. I hope to travel there some day and do a documentary.
tuipinngpongslav emaster

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#18 Sep 4, 2012
soia wrote:
<quoted text>Have you visited Western Samoa? Those Wong last names are only a bit fraction of the islands population. We here in American Samoa are no different from our brothers on the West. I too have some Portugese blood. My great great great grand father came to the islands in the early 1800s. I also have Caucasian blood from back in the early 1800s and of course my Tongan blood. There is an island in Tonga that is named after my ancestor's home island.(OFU). it is a small island near Vava'u. I hope to travel there some day and do a documentary.
American Samoa was the last real SAMOA. western broke a 500 year old rule and kicked us Tonga/fisi out in turn broke the real history of the FA SAMOA because the first king of SAMOA was a fijian this in turn gave birth to the tui manu the 2 empire which has lead me to believe is real because USA SAMOA claim from the Tuipulotu bloodline most likely true fact no other has claim that bloodline but them.
tuipinngpongslav emaster

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#19 Sep 4, 2012
soia wrote:
<quoted text>Have you visited Western Samoa? Those Wong last names are only a bit fraction of the islands population. We here in American Samoa are no different from our brothers on the West. I too have some Portugese blood. My great great great grand father came to the islands in the early 1800s. I also have Caucasian blood from back in the early 1800s and of course my Tongan blood. There is an island in Tonga that is named after my ancestor's home island.(OFU). it is a small island near Vava'u. I hope to travel there some day and do a documentary.
gimme the name of the island thats name after your family you might have links back to FIJI

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#20 Sep 4, 2012
tuipinngpongslavemaster wrote:
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American Samoa was the last real SAMOA. western broke a 500 year old rule and kicked us Tonga/fisi out in turn broke the real history of the FA SAMOA because the first king of SAMOA was a fijian this in turn gave birth to the tui manu the 2 empire which has lead me to believe is real because USA SAMOA claim from the Tuipulotu bloodline most likely true fact no other has claim that bloodline but them.
Your not Si'i, not Mao'i and not Viti.You have never known these terms cause your a pretender, Your a caucasian stealing and cheating as always.

No Blood and No history. Why you trying to make connections to a history and time when no white man was in the Vasa.

Fuck off white shit.

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