If Tonga and Samoa were to have one last war, who would win?

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Poly KING wrote:
Sure... And Lennay Kekua has risen from the dead.. LOL
lol.. se kefe.. Shes real damn you.. lol
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Jan 26, 2013
 
ulu poki wrote:
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permission?.. lol.. like they had a choice..lol
....thatz samoa!! lol.

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lol.. se kefe.. Shes real damn you.. lol
yea, she's real to Manti... LOL
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Jan 26, 2013
 
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....thatz samoa!! lol.
like we needed permission to rule tonga... shout out to kanokupolu holding it down.. lol

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Jan 26, 2013
 
ulu poki wrote:
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like we needed permission to rule tonga... shout out to kanokupolu holding it down.. lol
rule everywhere except the homeland ...hihihi nuff said over and out...ahahaha
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Jan 26, 2013
 
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<quoted text>rule everywhere except the homeland ...hihihi nuff said over and out...ahahaha
Was that another riot threat commoner? lol

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#162
Jan 26, 2013
 
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<quoted text>rule everywhere except the homeland ...hihihi nuff said over and out...ahahaha
true that!! Tongans are bosses!! We hecka VELA!! lmao haha
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Jan 26, 2013
 
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<quoted text>true that!! Tongans are bosses!! We hecka VELA!! lmao haha
lol... of what? the foodstamp line?. lol

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Jan 26, 2013
 
ulu poki wrote:
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lol... of what? the foodstamp line?. lol
nah, all of Western Polynesia including Samoa where me and you both hail from... LOL
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#165
Jan 26, 2013
 
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<quoted text>nah, all of Western Polynesia including Samoa where me and you both hail from... LOL
kefe... sup uce? lets go fak wit some tongans.. lol pukio

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Jan 26, 2013
 
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kefe... sup uce? lets go fak wit some tongans.. lol pukio
no usi, I know you wanna just saki my poki... leave it alone "uso fia ai Poly KING's tenga"... LOL
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Jan 26, 2013
 
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<quoted text>no usi, I know you wanna just saki my poki... leave it alone "uso fia ai Poly KING's tenga"... LOL
lol.. you funny uce.. Samoa for life, till we die uce.. lol
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like we needed permission to rule tonga... shout out to kanokupolu holding it down.. lol
Your contribution was the best of the best Taupouz were sent to Tonga... se malo mami...

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Jan 26, 2013
 
inv e wrote:
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Lol need we be opponents from the get go? We can discuss and see where we end up on different sides of an issue? Anyways, tonga became a protectorate under king george tupou 2 - he was a spendthrift and not a popular king, and there was worry, real or imaginary, at encroaching French influence. So in exchange of Britain promising military protection over Tonga, Britain took over foreign affairs and and their army were allowed to enter Tongan territory at will.
But before we go on, we need to distinguish between a protectorate state and a colony. A protectorate state still retain its 'sovereignty' over itself, power and governance over Tongans remaining in Tongan hands.
With that out of the way, we need also need to look at the big picture too. Yes Britain was in charge of foreign affairs, but that didn't mean real 'power' over Tonga. And let's take into account also there was a world war going on, and Japan was our common enemy at the time. So it would be natural we became allies with britain and America. As an ally, an allied army in ones territory is not an invasion. Also, an allied army in a protectorate state of another allied nation is also not considered an invasion. Of course Tonga couldnt boss the American troops around, they are not our soldiers, they are supposed to be loyal to America. Tonga could've ripped up its treaty with Britain if they chose to, but they didn't, because although it was very inconvenient having troops around, they had a bigger problem with the Japanese trying to build their empire. Why I keep bringing up ww2 is because if we ignore it, I might agree with you but we were currently in a war together against Japan. Tongans fought in ww2 as well.
So we need to ask, were we allies with America in a war against Japan? If so, I would not call it an invasion even if this American worded it that way
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Britain had more power over Tonga then you think. Tonga had a strong alligence to britain for example when Britain declared war on Japan and germany Queen Salote declared that all of Tonga's resources be at britains disposal and that Tonga should support britain for britain has done alot for Tonga etc.... etc.....

* As for America, I believe the reason why Americans reffered to there presence in Tonga as an INVASION is for the simple fact for one, the Americans occupied Tonga with that mentality of we are conquerors. Americans also caused so much havoc in Tonga that many Tongans began to complain about there lack of discipline and cruel ways. Now when Americans occupied Tonga it was not only a few hundreds of them but thousands (See Below).

The British Empire & The Second War (Book):

PG: 523

* May 1942: Thousands of Americans began to arrive in Tonga as the Americans took over defensive responsibility from a region of Britain (Tonga). Between the years of 1942 to 1943 there were 10,000 American soilders occupying Tonga.

Even I was surprised at how many Americans occupied Tonga. 10,000! that means that there were more Americans in Tongatapu then Tongans themselves crazy.
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Your contribution was the best of the best Taupouz were sent to Tonga... se malo mami...
can you blame your samoan rulers? with the ugly tongan women, no wonder you commoners couldnt touch them..lol
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Britain had more power over Tonga then you think. Tonga had a strong alligence to britain for example when Britain declared war on Japan and germany Queen Salote declared that all of Tonga's resources be at britains disposal and that Tonga should support britain for britain has done alot for Tonga etc.... etc.....
* As for America, I believe the reason why Americans reffered to there presence in Tonga as an INVASION is for the simple fact for one, the Americans occupied Tonga with that mentality of we are conquerors. Americans also caused so much havoc in Tonga that many Tongans began to complain about there lack of discipline and cruel ways. Now when Americans occupied Tonga it was not only a few hundreds of them but thousands (See Below).
The British Empire & The Second War (Book):
PG: 523
* May 1942: Thousands of Americans began to arrive in Tonga as the Americans took over defensive responsibility from a region of Britain (Tonga). Between the years of 1942 to 1943 there were 10,000 American soilders occupying Tonga.
Even I was surprised at how many Americans occupied Tonga. 10,000! that means that there were more Americans in Tongatapu then Tongans themselves crazy.
you'd think that with 10,000 american soldiers on tonga they would at least gangbang some of the ugly women to dilute the melanesian ugliness that curses the commoners today but i guess even they were scared to touch them..lol
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Inv E
Britain had more power over Tonga then you think. Tonga had a strong alligence to britain for example when Britain declared war on Japan and germany Queen Salote declared that all of Tonga's resources be at britains disposal and that Tonga should support britain for britain has done alot for Tonga etc.... etc.....
* As for America, I believe the reason why Americans reffered to there presence in Tonga as an INVASION is for the simple fact for one, the Americans occupied Tonga with that mentality of we are conquerors. Americans also caused so much havoc in Tonga that many Tongans began to complain about there lack of discipline and cruel ways. Now when Americans occupied Tonga it was not only a few hundreds of them but thousands (See Below).
The British Empire & The Second War (Book):
PG: 523
* May 1942: Thousands of Americans began to arrive in Tonga as the Americans took over defensive responsibility from a region of Britain (Tonga). Between the years of 1942 to 1943 there were 10,000 American soilders occupying Tonga.
Even I was surprised at how many Americans occupied Tonga. 10,000! that means that there were more Americans in Tongatapu then Tongans themselves crazy.
American flag over Tutuila,German flag over Western samoa and also NZ flag reppin Britain...Tongan flag flying in Tonga!! thatz fact!!!
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ulu poki wrote:
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can you blame your samoan rulers? with the ugly tongan women, no wonder you commoners couldnt touch them..lol
samoa is mami Tonga is daddy.. hi my basta'e son!!! lol.
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Inv E
Britain had more power over Tonga then you think. Tonga had a strong alligence to britain for example when Britain declared war on Japan and germany Queen Salote declared that all of Tonga's resources be at britains disposal and that Tonga should support britain for britain has done alot for Tonga etc.... etc.....
* As for America, I believe the reason why Americans reffered to there presence in Tonga as an INVASION is for the simple fact for one, the Americans occupied Tonga with that mentality of we are conquerors. Americans also caused so much havoc in Tonga that many Tongans began to complain about there lack of discipline and cruel ways. Now when Americans occupied Tonga it was not only a few hundreds of them but thousands (See Below).
The British Empire & The Second War (Book):
PG: 523
* May 1942: Thousands of Americans began to arrive in Tonga as the Americans took over defensive responsibility from a region of Britain (Tonga). Between the years of 1942 to 1943 there were 10,000 American soilders occupying Tonga.
Even I was surprised at how many Americans occupied Tonga. 10,000! that means that there were more Americans in Tongatapu then Tongans themselves crazy.
pulusipi mate!!..you must have tonga mixed up with samoa..tonga has always been run by tongan's..samoa on the other hand..haha lol nuff sed!!

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Inv E
Britain had more power over Tonga then you think. Tonga had a strong alligence to britain for example when Britain declared war on Japan and germany Queen Salote declared that all of Tonga's resources be at britains disposal and that Tonga should support britain for britain has done alot for Tonga etc.... etc.....
* As for America, I believe the reason why Americans reffered to there presence in Tonga as an INVASION is for the simple fact for one, the Americans occupied Tonga with that mentality of we are conquerors. Americans also caused so much havoc in Tonga that many Tongans began to complain about there lack of discipline and cruel ways. Now when Americans occupied Tonga it was not only a few hundreds of them but thousands (See Below).
The British Empire & The Second War (Book):
PG: 523
* May 1942: Thousands of Americans began to arrive in Tonga as the Americans took over defensive responsibility from a region of Britain (Tonga). Between the years of 1942 to 1943 there were 10,000 American soilders occupying Tonga.
Even I was surprised at how many Americans occupied Tonga. 10,000! that means that there were more Americans in Tongatapu then Tongans themselves crazy.
If that is indeed what Queen Salote said, it still fits into the context of Tonga joining the Allies to fight the Japanese. And to me and I'm sure the Queen too, declaring Tongas resources to the war effort didn't include her power to rule Tongans. Is there a quote from the book where the Americans explicitly called it an invasion? It still stands to reason if they did use those words, they would have used it figuratively, why? Because as raider4life pointed out, an invasion is entering a territory as an enemy, we were allies in a war. I don't know the Tongatapu population back then, but I'm pretty sure it was more than 10,000. And yes, defensive responsibility of the region was given to the USA, I think Britain probably had their hands full in Europe.lol. Yes, it was hugely inconvenient and also i imagine intimidating having these foreign troops around, especially such a number, but these were allies who could help defend the region. Allies, not enemies..

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