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Tonga was never "colonized" but they were never fully independent either. Under the British protectorate the Brits allowed the Tongans to run their own domestic affairs, but they could veto any decision made by the Tongans. Does that sound like a fully independent country?
hihihi if you say so poki we all know wassup...we the last in the Pacific still holding it down...lol
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<quoted text> hihihi if you say so poki we all know wassup...we the last in the Pacific still holding it down...lol
You are right about that, last in the pacific... lol
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I know your a proud Tongan but lets get real, if palagi's during the colonial period really wanted to take over Tonga they would of easily taken it over.
* There is a twist in Tongan history though despite not being colonised the British still had control and influence over Tonga hence in old Tongan videos you can see the British Flag flying over Tongan soil and Tongans waiving the British Flag and bowing to Queen Elizabeth II who was also a Tui Viti.(SEE VIDEO BELOW)
QUEEN ELIZABETH II VISITS TONGA (She was also the Tui Viti at the time)
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
British influence over Tonga:
* King Taufaahau Tupou adopting a british styled monarchy as well as changed his name to GEORGE in honor of King George III of England. Queen Salote (Charlotte) took her name in honor of Queen Charlotte of England etc..... etc..... etc.....
* One thing I noticed about Tongans is that when it comes to History that is not in there favor they tend to try and sweep it under the rug or hide it so to speak for example:
I have always heard my Tongan friends say Tonga was never colonised or occupied by a foreign power I even seen videos of the Royal Family today also making the same claims.
* Now the never being colonised part seems to be true but the claims of Tonga never being occupied by a foreign power is FALSE which I admit surprised me a bit, being that Tongans and Tongan History denies ever being occupied by a foreign power.(SEE BELOW)
AMERICA INVADES TONGA:
* Believe it or not AMERICA invaded and occupied TONGATAPU in 1942.
Be back later with more details.
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lmao..you alright uso??Tonga never have been under foreign rule no invasion,just invitation!!!Why you bringing in Fiji for?Besidez,samoa were flying NZz flag,which belongz to QEII lol...your trying so hard to bring Tonga down to samoaz level... hahaha Tupou1 too clever and mentally advanced for his time,beatz the palagi at their own game..
Whatz british about the Monarchy,apart from crown and clothing??Just like you and me wear hatz,clothes and shoes!!Whatz your point,please elaborate more??Siaosi,Salote...mele after jesus's mom,whats lafaele named after? lol. etc...

you can't believe it aye,the only Islandz in the pacific free from foreign rule!!!!
...and you people refuze to believe it haha
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lmao..you alright uso??Tonga never have been under foreign rule no invasion,just invitation!!!Why you bringing in Fiji for?Besidez,samoa were flying NZz flag,which belongz to QEII lol...your trying so hard to bring Tonga down to samoaz level... hahaha Tupou1 too clever and mentally advanced for his time,beatz the palagi at their own game..
Whatz british about the Monarchy,apart from crown and clothing??Just like you and me wear hatz,clothes and shoes!!Whatz your point,please elaborate more??Siaosi,Salote...mele after jesus's mom,whats lafaele named after? lol. etc...
you can't believe it aye,the only Islandz in the pacific free from foreign rule!!!!
...and you people refuze to believe it haha
calm down usi... He was right, Tonga was not fully independent. the Brits were running the behind the scenes show..lol
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calm down usi... He was right, Tonga was not fully independent. the Brits were running the behind the scenes show..lol
invited by Tupou2 coz local chiefz were gonna fasi his ass....the end!! lol.

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Interesting post. It might be easy to take over a country but to hold and colonise it is a whole other can of worms. The transforming of the country into a monarchy similar to the English was what i might say a modernisation of our government, from feuding and perpetually warring chiefs, to a more united system, giving everyone rights. So with Tonga getting organised quickly it just made it a bit more troubling to colonise Tonga.
I don't agree America ever invading Tonga. In world war 2 there was an American base in Tongatapu but they were there to fight the Japanese, not invade our little nation lol.
INV E

British had control over Tonga despite Tonga not fully being colonized. As for when Americans occupied Tonga do you think the Americans would have cared if Tongans wanted them there or not? With or without permission Americans would have still occupied Tonga due to the WAR.

* The only reason why Im bringing this up is because for some odd reason you have Tongans on here who claim that Palagi's didn't colonize Tonga for Palagi's feared Tongans lol and that Tonga was never occupied by a foreign power which is by far FALSE more made up stories and twists.

Queen S&#257;lote of Tonga: The Story of an Era:

America Invades Tonga

* 1942 American Troops Occupy Tonga in which the Americans built huge observation towers across TONGATAPU including 1 that was 75 feet high at the end of VUNA WHARF. An American Hospital was set up in HOUMA, American Cemetery was established at Mataki'eua, American Navy Base was set up around Ma'ufanga etc.. etc.. etc.. etc... Remember during this time RACISM plagued America in which Black American Troops and White American Troops were segregated while occupying Tonga. White troops mainly stayed in NUKUALOFA where as Black troops stayed mainly in the village of KOLONGA etc.. etc.. etc.. etc...

* March 21st 1943, 3 American Soldiers shot two Tongans who were brothers at Fua'amotu. The Americans were Negroes. The 2 Tongans died and there mother was injured. Although the trouble was started by the Negroes it was really caused by the dance, the home brew, and pusipusi (Prostitutes). Some Americans would pay Tongans in advance for home brew and prostitutes. None of the Americans involved in the murder were arrested. After this incident Queen Salote requested that there be less dancing during the war.

* Halaevalu recalled that it was not at all nice to be in NUKUALOFA during the war due to the lack of discipline of Americans in Tonga and for the simple fact Americans would always go by houses to ask for home brew. Americans would also attack New Zealand Soldiers which lead to the death of 1 NZ solider.

* August 1944, thieves broke into the padlock on a NAVY warehouse at Ma'ufanga. LT commander Guyer and his navy personnel went on the hunt for the thieves they armed with rifles and revolvers and roamed the countryside and then NUKUALOFA, arresting 40 Tongans in which all 40 Tongans were then thoroughly beaten up at the NAVY BRIGS at ma'ufanga.

The Americans who occupied Tonga caused so much HAVOC in Tonga they even argued with Britain for the simple fact America only wanted and needed to protect TONGATAPU where as Britain wanted to protect all of TONGA. Its interesting though because even NZ soldiers treated Tongans bad by paying there own soldiers more then Tongan soldiers etc.... etc.... etc......

But like what QUEEN SALOTE TUPOU told the Tongans in 1943 - 1944 who began complaining about the harsh treatment of the American Soldiers in Tonga: The Americans are only here for a short amount of time once they leave all will be FORGOTTEN. Kind of shows why the occupation of Tonga by America is left out of Tongan History.

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British had control over Tonga despite Tonga not fully being colonized. As for when Americans occupied Tonga do you think the Americans would have cared if Tongans wanted them there or not? With or without permission Americans would have still occupied Tonga due to the WAR.
* The only reason why Im bringing this up is because for some odd reason you have Tongans on here who claim that Palagi's didn't colonize Tonga for Palagi's feared Tongans lol and that Tonga was never occupied by a foreign power which is by far FALSE more made up stories and twists.
Queen S&#257;lote of Tonga: The Story of an Era:
America Invades Tonga
* 1942 American Troops Occupy Tonga in which the Americans built huge observation towers across TONGATAPU including 1 that was 75 feet high at the end of VUNA WHARF. An American Hospital was set up in HOUMA, American Cemetery was established at Mataki'eua, American Navy Base was set up around Ma'ufanga etc.. etc.. etc.. etc... Remember during this time RACISM plagued America in which Black American Troops and White American Troops were segregated while occupying Tonga. White troops mainly stayed in NUKUALOFA where as Black troops stayed mainly in the village of KOLONGA etc.. etc.. etc.. etc...
* March 21st 1943, 3 American Soldiers shot two Tongans who were brothers at Fua'amotu. The Americans were Negroes. The 2 Tongans died and there mother was injured. Although the trouble was started by the Negroes it was really caused by the dance, the home brew, and pusipusi (Prostitutes). Some Americans would pay Tongans in advance for home brew and prostitutes. None of the Americans involved in the murder were arrested. After this incident Queen Salote requested that there be less dancing during the war.
* Halaevalu recalled that it was not at all nice to be in NUKUALOFA during the war due to the lack of discipline of Americans in Tonga and for the simple fact Americans would always go by houses to ask for home brew. Americans would also attack New Zealand Soldiers which lead to the death of 1 NZ solider.
* August 1944, thieves broke into the padlock on a NAVY warehouse at Ma'ufanga. LT commander Guyer and his navy personnel went on the hunt for the thieves they armed with rifles and revolvers and roamed the countryside and then NUKUALOFA, arresting 40 Tongans in which all 40 Tongans were then thoroughly beaten up at the NAVY BRIGS at ma'ufanga.
The Americans who occupied Tonga caused so much HAVOC in Tonga they even argued with Britain for the simple fact America only wanted and needed to protect TONGATAPU where as Britain wanted to protect all of TONGA. Its interesting though because even NZ soldiers treated Tongans bad by paying there own soldiers more then Tongan soldiers etc.... etc.... etc......
But like what QUEEN SALOTE TUPOU told the Tongans in 1943 - 1944 who began complaining about the harsh treatment of the American Soldiers in Tonga: The Americans are only here for a short amount of time once they leave all will be FORGOTTEN. Kind of shows why the occupation of Tonga by America is left out of Tongan History.
Soifua
It actually makes a big difference whether Americans were given permission or not. If they were given permission to set up a base in Tonga you cannot call that an invasion. Let's look at the bigger picture too, the 'rising sun' were set on expanding their territory and were planning to conquer the pacific. When faced with such grave odds, what sane monarch would disallow Americans into their territory to fight a common enemy?
Sure even if Tongan soldiers got paid lower, it would be normal for kiwis to pay ones own troops more then others. Soldiers can cause trouble too, they humans too. Yes American troops occupied Tonga, as in set up a base, but not occupy as in an army in enemy territory. When an army enters allied territory, it isn't invasion.

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say all you want TOA... Tonga is Tonga has always been Tonga. Samoa went from Navigator Islands to American Samoa territory of america to German Samoa to Samoa under NZ administration to Samoa. Samoa still split in two after various foreign powers took dibs on you...

Regardless of what you're reasoning behind it, bottom line. Tonga was free of any foreign rule such as Samoa... Malie Toa, Malie Tau my akau in your mouth. LOL

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INV E
British had control over Tonga despite Tonga not fully being colonized. As for when Americans occupied Tonga do you think the Americans would have cared if Tongans wanted them there or not? With or without permission Americans would have still occupied Tonga due to the WAR.
* The only reason why Im bringing this up is because for some odd reason you have Tongans on here who claim that Palagi's didn't colonize Tonga for Palagi's feared Tongans lol and that Tonga was never occupied by a foreign power which is by far FALSE more made up stories and twists.
Queen S&#257;lote of Tonga: The Story of an Era:
America Invades Tonga
* 1942 American Troops Occupy Tonga in which the Americans built huge observation towers across TONGATAPU including 1 that was 75 feet high at the end of VUNA WHARF. An American Hospital was set up in HOUMA, American Cemetery was established at Mataki'eua, American Navy Base was set up around Ma'ufanga etc.. etc.. etc.. etc... Remember during this time RACISM plagued America in which Black American Troops and White American Troops were segregated while occupying Tonga. White troops mainly stayed in NUKUALOFA where as Black troops stayed mainly in the village of KOLONGA etc.. etc.. etc.. etc...
* March 21st 1943, 3 American Soldiers shot two Tongans who were brothers at Fua'amotu. The Americans were Negroes. The 2 Tongans died and there mother was injured. Although the trouble was started by the Negroes it was really caused by the dance, the home brew, and pusipusi (Prostitutes). Some Americans would pay Tongans in advance for home brew and prostitutes. None of the Americans involved in the murder were arrested. After this incident Queen Salote requested that there be less dancing during the war.
* Halaevalu recalled that it was not at all nice to be in NUKUALOFA during the war due to the lack of discipline of Americans in Tonga and for the simple fact Americans would always go by houses to ask for home brew. Americans would also attack New Zealand Soldiers which lead to the death of 1 NZ solider.
* August 1944, thieves broke into the padlock on a NAVY warehouse at Ma'ufanga. LT commander Guyer and his navy personnel went on the hunt for the thieves they armed with rifles and revolvers and roamed the countryside and then NUKUALOFA, arresting 40 Tongans in which all 40 Tongans were then thoroughly beaten up at the NAVY BRIGS at ma'ufanga.
The Americans who occupied Tonga caused so much HAVOC in Tonga they even argued with Britain for the simple fact America only wanted and needed to protect TONGATAPU where as Britain wanted to protect all of TONGA. Its interesting though because even NZ soldiers treated Tongans bad by paying there own soldiers more then Tongan soldiers etc.... etc.... etc......
But like what QUEEN SALOTE TUPOU told the Tongans in 1943 - 1944 who began complaining about the harsh treatment of the American Soldiers in Tonga: The Americans are only here for a short amount of time once they leave all will be FORGOTTEN. Kind of shows why the occupation of Tonga by America is left out of Tongan History.
Soifua
in times of war great sacrifices must be made to ensure good defeats evil, this was Tonga's contribution in the war and after the war they go simple as that, the word "occupy" used in times of war means survival when its used in times of peace it means "territory" of Samoa....hihihi lmao...but I enjoy reading your posts..malo

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Jan 25, 2013
 
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<quoted text> in times of war great sacrifices must be made to ensure good defeats evil, this was Tonga's contribution in the war and after the war they go simple as that, the word "occupy" used in times of war means survival when its used in times of peace it means "territory" of Samoa....hihihi lmao...but I enjoy reading your posts..malo
hahaha.. very well said!! malie and malo!!
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say all you want TOA... Tonga is Tonga has always been Tonga. Samoa went from Navigator Islands to American Samoa territory of america to German Samoa to Samoa under NZ administration to Samoa. Samoa still split in two after various foreign powers took dibs on you...
Regardless of what you're reasoning behind it, bottom line. Tonga was free of any foreign rule such as Samoa... Malie Toa, Malie Tau my akau in your mouth. LOL
You forgot friendly islands...malie tonga fafas..lol
i wonder if the tongans gave captain cook the hopoate special to earn that nickname..lol
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It actually makes a big difference whether Americans were given permission or not. If they were given permission to set up a base in Tonga you cannot call that an invasion. Let's look at the bigger picture too, the 'rising sun' were set on expanding their territory and were planning to conquer the pacific. When faced with such grave odds, what sane monarch would disallow Americans into their territory to fight a common enemy?
Sure even if Tongan soldiers got paid lower, it would be normal for kiwis to pay ones own troops more then others. Soldiers can cause trouble too, they humans too. Yes American troops occupied Tonga, as in set up a base, but not occupy as in an army in enemy territory. When an army enters allied territory, it isn't invasion.
They were given permission!!!Need i say more?LMAOO ...no need,you summed it up hehe .... German flag over western samoa,USA flag over American samoa...NZ flag also in western samoa...without consent hihihi.. thatz what you call invasion...

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Samoans and their imaginary "history and wars"... kinda like Manti Te'o's imaginary girlfriend.... such day dreamers. U fat gay azz ufaz! lmao haha

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It actually makes a big difference whether Americans were given permission or not. If they were given permission to set up a base in Tonga you cannot call that an invasion. Let's look at the bigger picture too, the 'rising sun' were set on expanding their territory and were planning to conquer the pacific. When faced with such grave odds, what sane monarch would disallow Americans into their territory to fight a common enemy?
Sure even if Tongan soldiers got paid lower, it would be normal for kiwis to pay ones own troops more then others. Soldiers can cause trouble too, they humans too. Yes American troops occupied Tonga, as in set up a base, but not occupy as in an army in enemy territory. When an army enters allied territory, it isn't invasion.
INV E

Malo Aupito! Finally someone worth talking to who doesn't resort to name calling when there pride gets hurt, much love and respect INV E I am really enjoying our discussion (WORTHY OPPONENT).

* I understand your point of view and it is a great point of view and I applaud you for that but you forget one thing my Tongan brotha or sista, being that Tonga was s British Protectorate the BRITISH were fully in charge of all issues/dealings in relation to FOREIGN POWERS. In other words Tonga had no say when it came to issues in reference to Foreign powers for anything that involved Foreign powers was in the hands of Britain. Now it was actually the British who allowed the Americans to Occupy Tonga all Salote Tupou and the Tongans could do was let it happen due to the Protectorate Agreement.

Queen Salote of Tonga: The Story of an Era, 1900-65

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* New Zealand officers in the Tongan Defence Force have been givin there commissions by Queen Salote and had sworn loyalty to her but the American Forces acted independently of the government of TONGA and felt that the dang British were always poking there noses in it. Until the NZ Brigadier General F.L Hunt took over from Lockwood as island commander on March 2nd 1943, there were in effect 2 governments in Tonga; the US ruled the US military while the queen ruled the Tongan Population and the Tongan Defence Force with the British Agents & Council as her advisers and channel of communication with the US officers. The arrangement worked well enough but only because the QUEEN and CONSUL rarely challenged USA actions.

* The United States choice of word (INVASION) to describe there presence in Tonga suggests they felt licensed to act as conquerors. The US navy often ignored the authority of HUNT and his successor MAJOR HARDY as island commander.

To you and other TONGANS it may not have been an invasion but to the Americans they definitely looked at it as an Invasion.

This is all in the book called SALOTE TUPOU STORY OF AN ERA.

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Sure... And Lennay Kekua has risen from the dead.. LOL

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Malo Aupito! Finally someone worth talking to who doesn't resort to name calling when there pride gets hurt, much love and respect INV E I am really enjoying our discussion (WORTHY OPPONENT).
* I understand your point of view and it is a great point of view and I applaud you for that but you forget one thing my Tongan brotha or sista, being that Tonga was s British Protectorate the BRITISH were fully in charge of all issues/dealings in relation to FOREIGN POWERS. In other words Tonga had no say when it came to issues in reference to Foreign powers for anything that involved Foreign powers was in the hands of Britain. Now it was actually the British who allowed the Americans to Occupy Tonga all Salote Tupou and the Tongans could do was let it happen due to the Protectorate Agreement.
Queen Salote of Tonga: The Story of an Era, 1900-65
PG: 206
* New Zealand officers in the Tongan Defence Force have been givin there commissions by Queen Salote and had sworn loyalty to her but the American Forces acted independently of the government of TONGA and felt that the dang British were always poking there noses in it. Until the NZ Brigadier General F.L Hunt took over from Lockwood as island commander on March 2nd 1943, there were in effect 2 governments in Tonga; the US ruled the US military while the queen ruled the Tongan Population and the Tongan Defence Force with the British Agents & Council as her advisers and channel of communication with the US officers. The arrangement worked well enough but only because the QUEEN and CONSUL rarely challenged USA actions.
* The United States choice of word (INVASION) to describe there presence in Tonga suggests they felt licensed to act as conquerors. The US navy often ignored the authority of HUNT and his successor MAJOR HARDY as island commander.
To you and other TONGANS it may not have been an invasion but to the Americans they definitely looked at it as an Invasion.
This is all in the book called SALOTE TUPOU STORY OF AN ERA.
Lol need we be opponents from the get go? We can discuss and see where we end up on different sides of an issue? Anyways, tonga became a protectorate under king george tupou 2 - he was a spendthrift and not a popular king, and there was worry, real or imaginary, at encroaching French influence. So in exchange of Britain promising military protection over Tonga, Britain took over foreign affairs and and their army were allowed to enter Tongan territory at will.
But before we go on, we need to distinguish between a protectorate state and a colony. A protectorate state still retain its 'sovereignty' over itself, power and governance over Tongans remaining in Tongan hands.
With that out of the way, we need also need to look at the big picture too. Yes Britain was in charge of foreign affairs, but that didn't mean real 'power' over Tonga. And let's take into account also there was a world war going on, and Japan was our common enemy at the time. So it would be natural we became allies with britain and America. As an ally, an allied army in ones territory is not an invasion. Also, an allied army in a protectorate state of another allied nation is also not considered an invasion. Of course Tonga couldnt boss the American troops around, they are not our soldiers, they are supposed to be loyal to America. Tonga could've ripped up its treaty with Britain if they chose to, but they didn't, because although it was very inconvenient having troops around, they had a bigger problem with the Japanese trying to build their empire. Why I keep bringing up ww2 is because if we ignore it, I might agree with you but we were currently in a war together against Japan. Tongans fought in ww2 as well.
So we need to ask, were we allies with America in a war against Japan? If so, I would not call it an invasion even if this American worded it that way

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Lol need we be opponents from the get go? We can discuss and see where we end up on different sides of an issue? Anyways, tonga became a protectorate under king george tupou 2 - he was a spendthrift and not a popular king, and there was worry, real or imaginary, at encroaching French influence. So in exchange of Britain promising military protection over Tonga, Britain took over foreign affairs and and their army were allowed to enter Tongan territory at will.
But before we go on, we need to distinguish between a protectorate state and a colony. A protectorate state still retain its 'sovereignty' over itself, power and governance over Tongans remaining in Tongan hands.
With that out of the way, we need also need to look at the big picture too. Yes Britain was in charge of foreign affairs, but that didn't mean real 'power' over Tonga. And let's take into account also there was a world war going on, and Japan was our common enemy at the time. So it would be natural we became allies with britain and America. As an ally, an allied army in ones territory is not an invasion. Also, an allied army in a protectorate state of another allied nation is also not considered an invasion. Of course Tonga couldnt boss the American troops around, they are not our soldiers, they are supposed to be loyal to America. Tonga could've ripped up its treaty with Britain if they chose to, but they didn't, because although it was very inconvenient having troops around, they had a bigger problem with the Japanese trying to build their empire. Why I keep bringing up ww2 is because if we ignore it, I might agree with you but we were currently in a war together against Japan. Tongans fought in ww2 as well.
So we need to ask, were we allies with America in a war against Japan? If so, I would not call it an invasion even if this American worded it that way

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Malo Aupito! Finally someone worth talking to who doesn't resort to name calling when there pride gets hurt, much love and respect INV E I am really enjoying our discussion (WORTHY OPPONENT).
* I understand your point of view and it is a great point of view and I applaud you for that but you forget one thing my Tongan brotha or sista, being that Tonga was s British Protectorate the BRITISH were fully in charge of all issues/dealings in relation to FOREIGN POWERS. In other words Tonga had no say when it came to issues in reference to Foreign powers for anything that involved Foreign powers was in the hands of Britain. Now it was actually the British who allowed the Americans to Occupy Tonga all Salote Tupou and the Tongans could do was let it happen due to the Protectorate Agreement.
Queen Salote of Tonga: The Story of an Era, 1900-65
PG: 206
* New Zealand officers in the Tongan Defence Force have been givin there commissions by Queen Salote and had sworn loyalty to her but the American Forces acted independently of the government of TONGA and felt that the dang British were always poking there noses in it. Until the NZ Brigadier General F.L Hunt took over from Lockwood as island commander on March 2nd 1943, there were in effect 2 governments in Tonga; the. US ruled the US military while the queen ruled the Tongan Population and the Tongan Defence Force with the British Agents & Council as her advisers and channel of communication with the US officers. The arrangement worked well enough but only because the QUEEN and CONSUL rarely challenged USA actions.
* The United States choice of word (INVASION) to describe there presence in Tonga suggests they felt licensed to act as conquerors. The US navy often ignored the authority of HUNT and his successor MAJOR HARDY as island commander.
To you and other TONGANS it may not have been an invasion but to the Americans they definitely looked at it as an Invasion.
This is all in the book called SALOTE TUPOU STORY OF AN ERA.
invasion; an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy...as you can see by the definition of. INVASION that was not the case here, remember this was a time of war and tonga stood with the Americans and your post proves my point...hihihi malo
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They were given permission!!!Need i say more?LMAOO ...no need,you summed it up hehe .... German flag over western samoa,USA flag over American samoa...NZ flag also in western samoa...without consent hihihi.. thatz what you call invasion...
permission?.. lol.. like they had a choice..lol

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What is your favorite Samoan song?? (Feb '09) 6 hr gloflexx 1,778
Evaevaga ilalo ole Kuava (Sep '07) 8 hr Keige Faipopo 240
Savaia Lefaga 8 hr Nessili 1
Is Samoa silly not to have a standing army? 12 hr koko ngati 19
Origin of Malo (relation to Samoa no-army policy) 15 hr jestr 18
Do New Zealand All Blacks Owe Samoa a Home Test... Wed jestr 3
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