U.S. promises cannot be trusted - Gorbachev

Promises made by U.S. leaders cannot be trusted, former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev said in an interview with The Daily Telegraph published on Wednesday.

"The Americans promised that NATO wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War, but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted," he said in Paris.

He also said that Washington's claims that a missile defense system it is planning to build in central Europe was aimed exclusively at countering the threat from so-called rogue states could not be believed either.

[Why_Me]

"To the victor go the spoils."

:)

[OldBulgarian]

Why_Me wrote:

"To the victor go the spoils."
:)

It's OK. In the future USA proved to be a fraud in the international politics. They won NATO expansion but they lost respect in eyes of the entire World. They are stinky scums and serial killer.

[Krishnamurty]

Can someone like Gorbachev who lied during the Chernobyl disaster be trusted?

[Zigmund]

Gorbachev is the same s*t as USA. But it does not make USA look better.

[WJS]

It is sure that USA is not to be trusted too much. I am personally against counstruction of anti-missile shield in Poland because wouldn't get anything from USA for this.
However I don't trust Russia even more.

[Why_Me]

Oh how the masses miss the glory days of the Soviet Union when the Russians f*cked all of eastern Europe then lied about it to this day.

And as far as the missle sheild is concerned, Russia has many missles in Kallingrad and Belarus but I guess that is ok ?

And what does the USA owe Europe for a missle shield? We are doing this so we don't have to go to Europe again for another World War. We have already done this twice last century while some European country's did NOTHING to try and stop Hitler.

[Why_Me]

OldBulgarian wrote:

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It's OK. In the future USA proved to be a fraud in the international politics. They won NATO expansion but they lost respect in eyes of the entire World. They are stinky scums and serial killer.

Go back to Bulgaria so you can help the rest of the Bulgarians steal farming funds from the EU.

[Smetana]

OldBulgarian wrote:

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It's OK. In the future USA proved to be a fraud in the international politics. They won NATO expansion but they lost respect in eyes of the entire World. They are stinky scums and serial killer.

Oh look, another immigrant who lives in the US espousing how evil and terrible the US is and how great things are in the old country. Makes you wonder...why are you still here if it is so bad?

[Canuck]

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>Oh look, another immigrant who lives in the US espousing how evil and terrible the US is and how great things are in the old country. Makes you wonder...why are you still here if it is so bad?

Hate to burst your bubble but the U.S. is viewed as the evil empire around the world and is the greatest threat to peace in the world.
Perhaps when you get off the drugs and your head clears, you may see this also.

[Why_Me]

Canuck wrote:

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Hate to burst your bubble but the U.S. is viewed as the evil empire around the world and is the greatest threat to peace in the world.
Perhaps when you get off the drugs and your head clears, you may see this also.

If these immigrants pr*cks don't like it, then they can go back to thier goat herding, sheep f*cking countrry's and post from there. The sure like living in the USA though don't they. I say f*ck em, if they don't leave, we should just send them back.

[Krishnamurty]

I still recall how Gorbachev and his cronies did everything to cover up the Chernobyl disaster and kept lying, lying and lying about the catastrophe trying to downplay its enormity and consequences --just as they did in Krushchev's time about an earlier nuclear disaster.

Russia has produced a parade of liars that deny the Holdomor, Chernobyl, Katyn, and a host of other tragedies --and he was one of them.

[Smetana]

Why_Me wrote:

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Go back to Bulgaria so you can help the rest of the Bulgarians steal farming funds from the EU.

I don't think this person is from Bulgaria at all. Have you noticed that in the last day, people from all over the world are popping up here slandering Ukraine and the US? They all have the same message and all curiously have the same writing style. People from Greece, Italy, Denmark, Germany, Texas, and Columbus have converged here all at once, and yet the prolific writer "Sic" has mysteriously disappeared today. How odd...

[coolncrazy]

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>I don't think this person is from Bulgaria at all. Have you noticed that in the last day, people from all over the world are popping up here slandering Ukraine and the US?

This topic is presented in the World News section too. That's the reason. So, don't be so paranoid...

[Why_Me]

coolncrazy wrote:

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This topic is presented in the World News section too. That's the reason. So, don't be so paranoid...

It isn't just this topic...look at all the recent topics on this forum...infact they are even bumping new topics. Not in the last year has this many differen't people posted on the Russia forum as has happened in the past few days.

Bulgaria, Germany, Poland, Greece, etc...it's been a pattern for two days now. Take a look at some of the topics on here, becouse I know which ones are posted in World Forum and what ones are posted exclusively in Russia and Ukraine forums and it's not been the World forum topics that they have been spamming on.

World forums you get your usual US wingnutts posting on there...you can see that by looking at the World forum topics that show up also on this forum. Now take a look at the topics that are only in the Ukriane and Russia forums. Those are the ones they have been hitting on. I have even had a few of them posting on the Belarus forum lately, and that forum is dead all the time but for a few of us that post on there occasianly.

[Krishnamurty]

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>I don't think this person is from Bulgaria at all. Have you noticed that in the last day, people from all over the world are popping up here slandering Ukraine and the US? They all have the same message and all curiously have the same writing style. People from Greece, Italy, Denmark, Germany, Texas, and Columbus have converged here all at once, and yet the prolific writer "Sic" has mysteriously disappeared today. How odd...

They are probably using proxie servers and pretending to post from around the world when in fact its from --you guessed it.

[liberal]

it is probably kgb bunch of agents wand to corrupt western freedom of speech. putin has now less load and decided to recall his old bloody habits. time to stop russia and put it on her place in corner.

[Smetana]

liberal wrote:

it is probably kgb bunch of agents wand to corrupt western freedom of speech. putin has now less load and decided to recall his old bloody habits. time to stop russia and put it on her place in corner.

Your not the first one who has used the proxies trick on this forum so you're not fooling anyone.

[uther pendragon]

Krishnamurty wrote:

Can someone like Gorbachev who lied during the Chernobyl disaster be trusted?

But Gorbachev is correct the USA can not be trusted either. Not because of lies though.
In the USA when events occur it is the political reality of the moment and not long-term planning that generally prevails.
They do not plan for the future. There is no "if it does not work what do we do in a few years?".

[Why_Me]

uther pendragon wrote:

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But Gorbachev is correct the USA can not be trusted either. Not because of lies though.
In the USA when events occur it is the political reality of the moment and not long-term planning that generally prevails.
They do not plan for the future. There is no "if it does not work what do we do in a few years?".

I'l be the first one to admit Bush rarely if ever plans for the future....our current Iraq and economic situation is evidence of that.

But allowing eastern European country's into NATO is preparing for the future and NATO screwed up big time for bowing down to Putin and putting the screws to Ukriane.

I'm not trying to sound like a right wing zealot, but if you look at the trend of Russian/Kremlin politics in regards to nationalization, freedom of speech, censored media, elections, appointed Goveners of Oblast, Putin changing history books, NASHI, Putins support of Lukashenko's regime, etc, etc... NATO still has a purpose. Granted it's not what the US always thinks it is, but right now it's needed.

http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2008/03/boris-... <--- Follow the money.:)

It's the same with Bush, Cheney, and Haliburton Co. in regards to Iraq War....follow the money trail.

[Krishnamurty]

Gorbachov is Russian Bolshevik. To lie Russians is decent for any civilized nation and moreover it's mandatory if you want to call yourself civilized.