Who did more damage to western civilization?

Created by AbeUG on Nov 15, 2012

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John Paul II

Zbigniew Brzezinski

Lech Walesa

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mika brzezinski UG

Lake Worth, FL

#1 Nov 15, 2012
AbeUG can certainly ask the insightful questions. (-:
neutral observer

Dunellen, NJ

#2 Nov 15, 2012
mika brzezinski UG wrote:
AbeUG can certainly ask the insightful questions.(-:
Russkie what did you vote for here?

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/russia/T2K69...

I'm sure you are proud of the fact that Jews and NOT backward Russians made Russia into a great nuclear power.

;-)

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Avg Joe

Dunellen, NJ

#3 Nov 15, 2012
This is a topic that only a Russkie would post.

Walesa, Pope John Paul II and Brezinski only damaged Soviet Russia so now this multipersonality Russkie is crying about it now using the name AbeUG.
Avg Joe

Dunellen, NJ

#4 Nov 15, 2012
Soviet Russia was never part of Western Civilization.

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#5 Nov 15, 2012
So how did AbeUG vote in his own poll? Enquiring minds want to know.

He creates so many of these polls.

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#6 Nov 15, 2012
Avg Joe wrote:
This is a topic that only a Russkie would post.

Walesa, Pope John Paul II and Brezinski only damaged Soviet Russia so now this multipersonality Russkie is crying about it now using the name AbeUG.
Utter nonsense. Radical Islamists have been the enemies of the west since the 9th century. Communism was created by a Jew and a German writing in London. You can not get more western than that.

Brzezinski sold Carter and Reagan on supporting Islamic mujahedeen in Afghanistan. Because of this Al Quieda and the Taliban toppled the secular socialist regime in Kabul and then used Afghanistan as a base from which to plot revenge against the west on 9/11. Brzezinski is directly to blame for the collapse of the WTC towers and the attack on the Pentagon.

Agreed?(-:
mika brzezinski UG

Lake Worth, FL

#7 Nov 15, 2012
Avg Joe wrote:
This is a topic that only a Russkie would post.

Walesa, Pope John Paul II and Brezinski only damaged Soviet Russia so now this multipersonality Russkie is crying about it now using the name AbeUG.
So why do you always blame others for what you do? It clearly says this poll was created by...

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#8 Nov 15, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Utter nonsense. Radical Islamists have been the enemies of the west since the 9th century. Communism was created by a Jew and a German writing in London. You can not get more western than that.
Brzezinski sold Carter and Reagan on supporting Islamic mujahedeen in Afghanistan. Because of this Al Quieda and the Taliban toppled the secular socialist regime in Kabul and then used Afghanistan as a base from which to plot revenge against the west on 9/11. Brzezinski is directly to blame for the collapse of the WTC towers and the attack on the Pentagon.
Agreed?(-:
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I would not have lost any sleep if the planes that hit the WTC and Pentagon, had been packed to the rafters with nuclear weapons.
Pinky Minus The Brain

Lake Forest, CA

#9 Nov 15, 2012
(X) Jesus
AbeUG

Dunellen, NJ

#10 Nov 15, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Utter nonsense. Radical Islamists have been the enemies of the west since the 9th century. Communism was created by a Jew and a German writing in London. You can not get more western than that.
So a German and a Jew created communism? Really? If true.... they could not start it in Germany or Israel could they? Now why was that?

Communism was started in MOSCOW! Why is it that most bad things are always started in Moscow??? And why don't the Russian people ever do anything about the bad things started in their capital?? Maybe they wanted these bad things to happen because they sure as hell didn't do jacksht to stop communism or the previous deadly Czar imperialist rule coming out of Moscow!
Avg Joe

Dunellen, NJ

#11 Nov 15, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Utter nonsense. Radical Islamists have been the enemies of the west since the 9th century. Communism was created by a Jew and a German writing in London. You can not get more western than that.
Brzezinski sold Carter and Reagan on supporting Islamic mujahedeen in Afghanistan. Because of this Al Quieda and the Taliban toppled the secular socialist regime in Kabul and then used Afghanistan as a base from which to plot revenge against the west on 9/11. Brzezinski is directly to blame for the collapse of the WTC towers and the attack on the Pentagon.
Agreed?(-:
Brzezinski is not to blame for 911. Only a retarded Russkie like yourself would think that. So according to you Brzezinski trained the Taliban to attack the WTC and the Penatagon in 1980.....but to then WAIT 21 years to attack the WTC and Pentagon??? LOL What a retarded RuSSkie you are.

Why are you so BUTTHURT for Brzezinski bringing down the evil empire Soviet Russia??

Now your pal Hal keeps screaming that you are a Jew! LOL I don't know any Jews like you who keeps trying to blame Communism on the Jews and not the Russians.

Destroying Soviet Russia was not destroying Western Civilization since Soviet Russians with their vicious thugness were the OPPOSITE of Western Civilization.

Agreed??

;-)
Avg Joe

Dunellen, NJ

#12 Nov 15, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Utter nonsense. Radical Islamists have been the enemies of the west since the 9th century. Communism was created by a Jew and a German writing in London. You can not get more western than that.
Brzezinski sold Carter and Reagan on supporting Islamic mujahedeen in Afghanistan. Because of this Al Quieda and the Taliban toppled the secular socialist regime in Kabul and then used Afghanistan as a base from which to plot revenge against the west on 9/11. Brzezinski is directly to blame for the collapse of the WTC towers and the attack on the Pentagon.
Agreed?(-:
uther, Crazy Hal keeps screaming that you are Jew.....so why don't you show some Jewish pride and praise the Jews for what ethnic Russians were too imcompetent in doing.....Making Russia into a nuclear power!
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/russia/T2K69...

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#13 Nov 15, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Utter nonsense. Radical Islamists have been the enemies of the west since the 9th century.
Perhaps you forgot Polish Jan III Sobieski saved Europe from Islamic Ottoman Turks & Islamic Tatars.

You can read the battles towards the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_III_Sobiesk...

Just about all Polish Jan III Sobieski did was save Europe from Muslim Turans!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Podhaj... (1667)

Battle of Podhajce Polish Jan III Sobieski with 3,000 Polish soldiers & 6,000 Polish armed ciivlians saved Europe from 20,000 Islamic Tatars with 15,000 Cossacks & 3,000 Islamic Turkish Jannisaries.

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Battle of Vienna when Polish Jan III Sobieski created the largest calvary charge in history which saved Europe from Islamic Ottoman Turks who the Islamic Ottoman Turks ran off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

Twenty thousand horsemen charged down the hills (the largest cavalry charge in history).[citation needed] Jan III Sobieski led the charge at the head of 3,000 Polish heavy lancers, the famed "Winged Hussars". The Lipka Tatars who fought on the Polish side wore a sprig of straw in their helmets to distinguish themselves from the Tatars fighting on the Ottoman side. The charge broke the lines of the Ottomans, who were tired from the long fight on two sides. In the confusion, the cavalry headed straight for the Ottoman camps, while the remaining Vienna garrison sallied out of its defenses and joined in the assault.

The Ottoman troops were tired and dispirited following the failure of both the sapping attempt and the brute force assault on the city. The arrival of the cavalry turned the tide of battle against them, sending them into retreat to the south and east. In less than three hours after the cavalry attack, the Christian forces had won the battle and saved Vienna.

After the battle, Sobieski paraphrased Julius Caesar's famous quote (Veni, vidi, vici) by saying "Venimus, Vidimus, Deus vincit" "We came, We saw, God conquered

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#15 Nov 16, 2012
AbeUG wrote:
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So a German and a Jew created communism? Really? If true.... they could not start it in Germany or Israel could they? Now why was that?
Communism was started in MOSCOW! Why is it that most bad things are always started in Moscow??? And why don't the Russian people ever do anything about the bad things started in their capital?? Maybe they wanted these bad things to happen because they sure as hell didn't do jacksht to stop communism or the previous deadly Czar imperialist rule coming out of Moscow!
It is true.

Jew Karl Marx & German Friedrich Engels invented Communism.

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They tried to create Communism in Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_...

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In 1905 the Bolsheviks tried to create a Soviet Union but they failed.

1905 lead to Russia kicked the Volga German / Jew Lenin & Jew Leon Trotsky & the Bolsheviks out of Russia.

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Germany with Jewish banker Bethmann funded sending Lenin back to Russia in WW1 in 1917 created the Bolshevik revolution.

U.S President Woodrow Wilson gave Jew Leon Trotsky a passport so Jewish banker Jacob Schiff could send Jew Leon Trotsky to Russia in 1917 to create the Bolshevik revolution.

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http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolsh...

In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser, to aid in the disintegration of the Russian army and so eliminate Russia from World War I. The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff. Major General Hoffman has written, "We neither knew nor foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia."1

At the highest level the German political officer who approved Lenin's journey to Russia was Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, a descendant of the Frankfurt banking family Bethmann, which achieved great prosperity in the nineteenth century. Bethmann-Hollweg was appointed chancellor in 1909 and in November 1913 became the subject of the first vote of censure ever passed by the German Reichstag on a chancellor. It was Bethmann-Hollweg who in 1914 told the world that the German guarantee to Belgium was a mere "scrap of paper." Yet on other war matters such as the use of unrestricted submarine warfare Bethmann-Hollweg was ambivalent; in January 1917 he told the kaiser, "I can give Your Majesty neither my assent to the unrestricted submarine warfare nor my refusal." By 1917 Bethmann-Hollweg had lost the Reichstag's support and resigned but not before approving transit of Bolshevik revolutionaries to Russia. The transit instructions from Bethmann-Hollweg went through the state secretary Arthur Zimmermann who was immediately under Bethmann-Hollweg and who handled day-to-day operational details with the German ministers in both Bern and Copenhagen to the German minister to Bern in early April 1917. The kaiser himself was not aware of the revolutionary movement until after Lenin had passed into Russia

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http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolsh...

President Woodrow Wilson was the fairy godmother who provided Trotsky with a passport to return to Russia to "carry forward" the revolution. This American passport was accompanied by a Russian entry permit and a British transit visa.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#16 Nov 16, 2012
AbeUG wrote:
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So a German and a Jew created communism? Really? If true.... they could not start it in Germany or Israel could they? Now why was that?
Communism was started in MOSCOW! Why is it that most bad things are always started in Moscow??? And why don't the Russian people ever do anything about the bad things started in their capital?? Maybe they wanted these bad things to happen because they sure as hell didn't do jacksht to stop communism or the previous deadly Czar imperialist rule coming out of Moscow!
The Bolsheviks FAILED to create the Soviet Union in Russia in 1905 as was planned.

Which the Bolsheviks were kicked out of Russia.

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WW1 weakened Russia from German attack.

Germany with Jewish banker Bethmann during WW1 in 1917 sent Lenin & Bolsheviks with money & funding to create the Bolshevik revolution.

While Jew Jacob Schiff funded the to send Jew Leon Trotsky to Russia in 1917 to create the Bolshevik revolution.

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It is simple in 1905 Russia was strong enough to kick them out.

In 1917 Russia was weakened by Germany in WW1 which made it so Russia wasn't strong enough to kick the Bolsheviks out this time.

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Which this time Jewish bankers funded the Bolsheviks better in 1917 than in 1905.

With massive Jewish funding from Jew Jacob Schiff, Jew Rothschilds, Jew Warburg, Jew Bethmann ect.

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So I mean yeah Jews & Germans are in actuality mostly responsible for the creation of the Soviet Union.

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That doesn't stop you from defending your Jewish & German buddies against blaming Russia non stop.
Avg Joe

Dunellen, NJ

#17 Nov 16, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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It is true.
Jew Karl Marx & German Friedrich Engels invented Communism.
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They tried to create Communism in Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_...
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In 1905 the Bolsheviks tried to create a Soviet Union but they failed.
1905 lead to Russia kicked the Volga German / Jew Lenin & Jew Leon Trotsky & the Bolsheviks out of Russia.
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Germany with Jewish banker Bethmann funded sending Lenin back to Russia in WW1 in 1917 created the Bolshevik revolution.
U.S President Woodrow Wilson gave Jew Leon Trotsky a passport so Jewish banker Jacob Schiff could send Jew Leon Trotsky to Russia in 1917 to create the Bolshevik revolution.
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http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolsh...
In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser, to aid in the disintegration of the Russian army and so eliminate Russia from World War I. The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff. Major General Hoffman has written, "We neither knew nor foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia."1
At the highest level the German political officer who approved Lenin's journey to Russia was Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, a descendant of the Frankfurt banking family Bethmann, which achieved great prosperity in the nineteenth century. Bethmann-Hollweg was appointed chancellor in 1909 and in November 1913 became the subject of the first vote of censure ever passed by the German Reichstag on a chancellor. It was Bethmann-Hollweg who in 1914 told the world that the German guarantee to Belgium was a mere "scrap of paper." Yet on other war matters such as the use of unrestricted submarine warfare Bethmann-Hollweg was ambivalent; in January 1917 he told the kaiser, "I can give Your Majesty neither my assent to the unrestricted submarine warfare nor my refusal." By 1917 Bethmann-Hollweg had lost the Reichstag's support and resigned but not before approving transit of Bolshevik revolutionaries to Russia. The transit instructions from Bethmann-Hollweg went through the state secretary Arthur Zimmermann who was immediately under Bethmann-Hollweg and who handled day-to-day operational details with the German ministers in both Bern and Copenhagen to the German minister to Bern in early April 1917. The kaiser himself was not aware of the revolutionary movement until after Lenin had passed into Russia
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http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolsh...
President Woodrow Wilson was the fairy godmother who provided Trotsky with a passport to return to Russia to "carry forward" the revolution. This American passport was accompanied by a Russian entry permit and a British transit visa.
So WHY did Moscow/Russia ALLOW itself to be the birthplace of vicious communism?

And why does your "proud Jew" uther.....LIKE YOU..... blame the Jews for communism and not Russians? NO Proud Jew would blame Jews and not Russians for Communism.

You claim you are not Jewish....yet you blame the Jews for Communism.

But when uther says the SAME critical things about Jews (and defends Russians from being communists) that YOU SAY.....according to you.....that makes him JEWISH?????? HUHHHHHH???? LOL

Right in front of our eyes you can see uther getting all butthurt at claims that Russians NOT Jews were responsible for Soviet Communism.....yet you think that make him "Jewish" LOL

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#18 Nov 16, 2012
Avg Joe wrote:
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So WHY did Moscow/Russia ALLOW itself to be the birthplace of vicious communism?
The massive Jewish banker funding simply gave the Bolsheviks the power to win & take over Russia.

With that massive Jewish banker funding of the Bolshevik revolution came power of buying tanks, weapons & everything else to take over Russia by violent force.

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Lenin had to outlaw voting because he was so unpopular.

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Most Russians didn't even know much of what was going on half the time.

The Soviet Union at all costs kept voting democracy & knowledge from the people.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#19 Nov 16, 2012
Avg Joe wrote:
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So WHY did Moscow/Russia ALLOW itself to be the birthplace of vicious communism?
And why does your "proud Jew" uther.....LIKE YOU..... blame the Jews for communism and not Russians? NO Proud Jew would blame Jews and not Russians for Communism.
You claim you are not Jewish....yet you blame the Jews for Communism.
But when uther says the SAME critical things about Jews (and defends Russians from being communists) that YOU SAY.....according to you.....that makes him JEWISH?????? HUHHHHHH???? LOL
Right in front of our eyes you can see uther getting all butthurt at claims that Russians NOT Jews were responsible for Soviet Communism.....yet you think that make him "Jewish" LOL
Fact is without Jews & Germans there would be no Soviet Union.

The creation of the Soviet Union is mostly to blame on Jews & Germans.

Who Jews & Germans invented communism.

Jewish bankers with Germany weakening Russia in WW1 with Germany sending the Bolsehviks on a train to Russia is what created the Soviet Union.

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Are you Slavic at all?

You are extremely one track minded, desperate & OCD like a Western European.

I think you are just a half Jew half Western European who uses Poland as your means to divide & hate on Slavic people.
AbeUG

Dunellen, NJ

#20 Nov 16, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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The massive Jewish banker funding simply gave the Bolsheviks the power to win & take over Russia.
With that massive Jewish banker funding of the Bolshevik revolution came power of buying tanks, weapons & everything else to take over Russia by violent force.
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Lenin had to outlaw voting because he was so unpopular.
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Most Russians didn't even know much of what was going on half the time.
The Soviet Union at all costs kept voting democracy & knowledge from the people.
uther is basically saying what you say. That JEWS and NOT Russians are responsible for the terrible USSR Communism. SO HOW IN HELL can you think uther is "Jewish" when he is arguing AGAINST Jews like YOU ARE about the ORIGIN of USSR Communism?????????
AbeUG

Dunellen, NJ

#21 Nov 16, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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Fact is without Jews & Germans there would be no Soviet Union.
The creation of the Soviet Union is mostly to blame on Jews & Germans.
Who Jews & Germans invented communism.
Jewish bankers with Germany weakening Russia in WW1 with Germany sending the Bolsehviks on a train to Russia is what created the Soviet Union.
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Are you Slavic at all?
You are extremely one track minded, desperate & OCD like a Western European.
I think you are just a half Jew half Western European who uses Poland as your means to divide & hate on Slavic people.
Do your eyes work? Does your brain work OK?

I say this because utherpendragon is basically SAYING THE SAME THING AS YOU ARE about who is to blame for Communism.....which according to you two guys is JEWS NOT RUSSIANS!!

So how the hell can you tell me that uther is "Jewish" when HE LIKE YOU is ADAMANTLY blaming the JEWS and NOT Russians for Soviet Communism??????????

You and uther virtually AGREE 100% that JEWS and NOT Russians are responsible for USSR Communism.......So how the heck can you tell me that uther is "Jewish"?????????? NO Fricking NATIONALIST JEW would AGREE WITH YOU that Jews and NOT Russians started USSR Communism!!!

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