Russia's population decline spells trouble

[roger rabbit]

Russian President Vladimir Putin recently directed his nation's parliament to develop a plan to reduce the country's falling birthrate. In a speech to parliament on May 10, 2006, Putin called the problem of Russia's dramatically declining population, "The most acute problem of contemporary Russia."
The president called on parliament to provide incentives for couples to have a second child to increase the birth rate in order to stop the country's plummeting population.

Russia's population peaked in the early 1990s (at the time of the end of the Soviet Union) with about 148 million people in the country. Today, Russia's population is approximately 143 million. The United States Census Bureau estimates that Russia's population will decline from the current 143 million to a mere 111 million by 2050, a loss of more than 30 million people and a decrease of more than 20%.

The primary causes of Russia's population decrease and loss of about 700,000 to 800,000 citizens each year are a high death rate, low birth rate, high rate of abortions, and a low level of immigration.

High Death Rate
Russia has a very high death rate of 15 deaths per 1000 people per year. This is far higher than the world's average death rate of just under 9. The death rate in the U.S. is 8 per 1000 and for the United Kingdom it's 10 per 1000. Alcohol-related deaths in Russia are very high and alcohol-related emergencies represent the bulk of emergency room visits in the country.
With this high death rate, Russian life expectancy is low - the World Health Organization estimates the life expectancy of Russian men at 59 years while women's life expectancy is considerably better at 72 years. This difference is primarily a result of high rates of alcoholism among males.

Low Birth Rate
Understandably, due these high rates of alcoholism and economic hardship, women feel less than encouraged to have children in Russia.
Russia's total fertility rate is low at 1.3 births per woman. This number represents the number of children each Russian woman has during her lifetime. A replacement total fertility rate to maintain a stable population is 2.1 births per woman. Obviously, with such a low total fertility rate Russian women are contributing to a declining population.

The birth rate in the country is also quite low; the crude birth rate is 10 births per 1000 people. The world average is just over 20 per 1000 and in the U.S. the rate is 14 per 1000.

Abortion
During the Soviet era, abortion was quite common and was utilized as a method of birth control. That technique remains common and quite popular today, keeping the country's birth rate exceptionally low. According to a Russian news source, there are more abortions than births in Russia.
The online news source mosnews.com reported that in 2004 1.6 million women had abortions in Russia while 1.5 million gave birth. In 2003, the BBC reported that Russia had, "13 terminations for every 10 live births."

Immigration
Additionally, immigration into Russia is low - immigrants are primarily a trickle of ethnic Russians moving out of former republics (but now independent countries) of the Soviet Union. Brain drain and emigration from Russia to Western Europe and other parts of the world is high as native Russians seek to better their economic situation.
Putin himself explored the issues surrounding the low birth rate during his speech, asking "What has prevented a young family, a young woman, from making this decision? The answers are obvious: low incomes, a lack of normal housing, doubts about the level of medical services and quality education. At times, there are doubts about the ability to provide enough food." http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulatio...

[Why_Me]

Life in Russia sucks for most people there. No wonder they all want to immigrate to the west. I mean can anyone blame Russians for not wanting to live in Russia? I know I sure wouldn't want to live in a country with those living conditions. Of course I am sure they are used to it...it's been like that for the last thousand years.:(

[Robespierre]

Why_Me wrote:

Life in Russia sucks for most people there. No wonder they all want to immigrate to the west. I mean can anyone blame Russians for not wanting to live in Russia? I know I sure wouldn't want to live in a country with those living conditions. Of course I am sure they are used to it...it's been like that for the last thousand years.:(

Aren't you sick and tired of repeating the same malicious message again and again, and repeating yourself all the time.

No, not ALL Russians want to leave Russia, although some of them do.

Why do you keep repeating that same EXAGERATION all the time?

Why did your family came from Frisia? Answer that! Is Frisia such a sh*thole then?

What do you say about all other nationals who comes to the States, they all come from sh*tholes too?

Living conditions? I bet you you wouldn't be able to buy a place in Moscow now?

By the way, could you afford to buy a house in London? The average price for a dwelling in London is £300,000, which is almost but not quite $600,000. I know, it's my line of business: buying and selling properties. Could you afford one?

Well, I'll tell you what: there are a lot of Russians who come and invest in London, and they are not all oil billionaires or government officials either!! It's not even their main residence, just a place they come to for holidays when they visit England to play golf or do some sailing.

You talk about Russia like it was in the 50s and 60s, and mostly lie about it!

[Why_Me]

Robespierre wrote:

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Living conditions? I bet you you wouldn't be able to buy a place in Moscow now?
By the way, could you afford to buy a house in London? The average price for a dwelling in London is £300,000, which is almost but not quite $600,000. I know, it's my line of business: buying and selling properties. Could you afford one?
Well, I'll tell you what: there are a lot of Russians who come and invest in London, and they are not all oil billionaires or government officials either!! It's not even their main residence, just a place they come to for holidays when they visit England to play golf or do some sailing.

http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworldincom...

Russia is #65 on that list with a yearly net income per capita of $4,460. So I don't think too many of those Russians are able to afford that housing in Moscow and London...LOL. Seriously Robo...do you ever read what you post? Before you make these assinine post, do some research first please. All countries have their share of millionares, but what do the common/majority of people in Russia have?

TRY NOTHING...that's why they are all trying to immigrate to the west.

[Shawanas Warrior]

Robespierre wrote:

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Aren't you sick and tired of repeating the same malicious message again and again, and repeating yourself all the time.
No, not ALL Russians want to leave Russia, although some of them do.
Why do you keep repeating that same EXAGERATION all the time?
Why did your family came from Frisia? Answer that! Is Frisia such a sh*thole then?
What do you say about all other nationals who comes to the States, they all come from sh*tholes too?
Living conditions? I bet you you wouldn't be able to buy a place in Moscow now?
By the way, could you afford to buy a house in London? The average price for a dwelling in London is £300,000, which is almost but not quite $600,000. I know, it's my line of business: buying and selling properties. Could you afford one?
Well, I'll tell you what: there are a lot of Russians who come and invest in London, and they are not all oil billionaires or government officials either!! It's not even their main residence, just a place they come to for holidays when they visit England to play golf or do some sailing.
You talk about Russia like it was in the 50s and 60s, and mostly lie about it!

Uh! Oh! Now robocrap is buying and selling properties. Must have been watching the real estate shows on the telly. He probably got the idea from his landlord coming for the monthly dole. Hey! robocrap!! Had settlement on two of my waterfront properties last year for a net profit of 1 1/2 mill. Invested it in gold at 550 per ounce, and going to sell at 900 per ounce. Not bad for less than one year, eh! As to your prices that you quote in London, they must be shacks. The market for a good flat in a good neighborhood is over one mil. Certainly way over the cost for a middle income russian. But it is not feasible. Taxes, cost of living, etc. are simply not worth it. You better just stick to reading and dreaming, you could never make it in the real estate game, jacko.

[Shawanas Warrior]

roger rabbit wrote:

Russian President Vladimir Putin recently directed his nation's parliament to develop a plan to reduce the country's falling birthrate. In a speech to parliament on May 10, 2006, Putin called the problem of Russia's dramatically declining population, "The most acute problem of contemporary Russia."
The president called on parliament to provide incentives for couples to have a second child to increase the birth rate in order to stop the country's plummeting population.
Russia's population peaked in the early 1990s (at the time of the end of the Soviet Union) with about 148 million people in the country. Today, Russia's population is approximately 143 million. The United States Census Bureau estimates that Russia's population will decline from the current 143 million to a mere 111 million by 2050, a loss of more than 30 million people and a decrease of more than 20%.
The primary causes of Russia's population decrease and loss of about 700,000 to 800,000 citizens each year are a high death rate, low birth rate, high rate of abortions, and a low level of immigration.
High Death Rate
Russia has a very high death rate of 15 deaths per 1000 people per year. This is far higher than the world's average death rate of just under 9. The death rate in the U.S. is 8 per 1000 and for the United Kingdom it's 10 per 1000. Alcohol-related deaths in Russia are very high and alcohol-related emergencies represent the bulk of emergency room visits in the country.
With this high death rate, Russian life expectancy is low - the World Health Organization estimates the life expectancy of Russian men at 59 years while women's life expectancy is considerably better at 72 years. This difference is primarily a result of high rates of alcoholism among males.
Low Birth Rate
Understandably, due these high rates of alcoholism and economic hardship, women feel less than encouraged to have children in Russia.
Russia's total fertility rate is low at 1.3 births per woman. This number represents the number of children each Russian woman has during her lifetime. A replacement total fertility rate to maintain a stable population is 2.1 births per woman. Obviously, with such a low total fertility rate Russian women are contributing to a declining population.
The birth rate in the country is also quite low; the crude birth rate is 10 births per 1000 people. The world average is just over 20 per 1000 and in the U.S. the rate is 14 per 1000.
Abortion
During the Soviet era, abortion was quite common and was utilized as a method of birth control. That technique remains common and quite popular today, keeping the country's birth rate exceptionally low. According to a Russian news source, there are more abortions than births in Russia.
The online news source mosnews.com reported that in 2004 1.6 million women had abortions in Russia while 1.5 million gave birth. In 2003, the BBC reported that Russia had, "13 terminations for every 10 live births."
Immigration
Additionally, immigration into Russia is low - immigrants are primarily a trickle of ethnic Russians moving out of former republics (but now independent countries) of the Soviet Union. Brain drain and emigration from Russia to Western Europe and other parts of the world is high as native Russians seek to better their economic situation.
Putin himself explored the issues surrounding the low birth rate during his speech, asking "What has prevented a young family, a young woman, from making this decision? The answers are obvious: low incomes, a lack of normal housing, doubts about the level of medical services and quality education. At times, there are doubts about the ability to provide enough food." http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulatio...

Hey Mr. Rabbit: Your facts are correct. Now lets watch the denial and the excuses!!

[Robespierre]

Why_Me wrote:

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Russia is #65 on that list with a yearly net income per capita of $4,460. So I don't think too many of those Russians are able to afford that housing in Moscow and London...LOL. Seriously Robo...do you ever read what you post? Before you make these assinine post, do some research first please. All countries have their share of millionares, but what do the common/majority of people in Russia have?
TRY NOTHING...that's why they are all trying to immigrate to the west.

Try to get the figures right for a start.

The GDP per capita in Russia is $12,200, NOT $4,460 for a start. Also, the economic growth in Russia is 6.7% for 2007, in 2006, it was 8%. Try to compare that with the economic growth for the USA, eh? 2.2% in 2007, just 2.9% in 2006. Russia GDP is catching up, and fast!! By the way, these are US figures, not something I have invented for the occasion.

Certainly not all Russians are oil billionaires, I know that. I am talking about the burgeoning new middle class of professionals, who are investing heavily.
Who do you think buy properties in Moscow, St Petersburg and other centers? Certainly not foreigners since, like you say, there is no stampede to emigrate to Russia. Russians buy these new condos, penthouses and luxury flats. Moscow is like a building site at the moment, and you should see the price of accommodations in these developments.
Who is going to buy them, at $1/4 million for a basic apartment, and up to $1m for a penthouse?
Aliens from Mars?

Some apartments in the Urals can fetch up to $100,000, in Yekaterinburg or Izhevsk, where wages are lower than in Moscow.

I think your Mrs who must be able to read Russian if she exists at all, could help you doing some research on the property market in Russia on the internet and open your eyes a little bit.

For your information, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, most Russians received ownership of their flat form the government for FREE, as part of the denationalisation programme. It was a one-off, but helped the housing market and the economy a lot at the time, since most family at least had a capital.

If Russia was such a poor country like you pretend, how can it has developed into such a big market for consumers goods and has one of the highest index of consumption in Europe? If it was such a poor country, how could it have multiplied its car market by 5 in 7 years? How is it that carmakers are closing plants in the US and opening them in Russia? And not only the European makers; your Ford and General Motors. How can you explain it, eh? Just answer that for a change, rather than avoiding to reply as usual when you realise you talk BS !!

Seriously Why_Me...do you ever read what you post? Before you make these stupid posts or yours, do some research first please.

[Manumuski Warrior]

Robespierre wrote:

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Try to get the figures right for a start.
The GDP per capita in Russia is $12,200, NOT $4,460 for a start. Also, the economic growth in Russia is 6.7% for 2007, in 2006, it was 8%. Try to compare that with the economic growth for the USA, eh? 2.2% in 2007, just 2.9% in 2006. Russia GDP is catching up, and fast!! By the way, these are US figures, not something I have invented for the occasion.
Certainly not all Russians are oil billionaires, I know that. I am talking about the burgeoning new middle class of professionals, who are investing heavily.
Who do you think buy properties in Moscow, St Petersburg and other centers? Certainly not foreigners since, like you say, there is no stampede to emigrate to Russia. Russians buy these new condos, penthouses and luxury flats. Moscow is like a building site at the moment, and you should see the price of accommodations in these developments.
Who is going to buy them, at $1/4 million for a basic apartment, and up to $1m for a penthouse?
Aliens from Mars?
Some apartments in the Urals can fetch up to $100,000, in Yekaterinburg or Izhevsk, where wages are lower than in Moscow.
I think your Mrs who must be able to read Russian if she exists at all, could help you doing some research on the property market in Russia on the internet and open your eyes a little bit.
For your information, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, most Russians received ownership of their flat form the government for FREE, as part of the denationalisation programme. It was a one-off, but helped the housing market and the economy a lot at the time, since most family at least had a capital.
If Russia was such a poor country like you pretend, how can it has developed into such a big market for consumers goods and has one of the highest index of consumption in Europe? If it was such a poor country, how could it have multiplied its car market by 5 in 7 years? How is it that carmakers are closing plants in the US and opening them in Russia? And not only the European makers; your Ford and General Motors. How can you explain it, eh? Just answer that for a change, rather than avoiding to reply as usual when you realise you talk BS !!
Seriously Why_Me...do you ever read what you post? Before you make these stupid posts or yours, do some research first please.

Ha! Heap big bull crapper pale face type from big real estate book. Try to fool all warriors to make us believe he expert. He just a charletan! Now, he say he big shot land grabber. Sell our land. He live in little wikwam with other male maidens. We should push in council fire and barbeque him. Feed him to the dogs.

[Veronica]

Robespierre,it's a lot easier to produce a large growth rate on a small GDP than on a large GDP. What I'm saying is that 6.7% on 1.5 trillion (real Russian GDP, not PPP), is a lot easier to achieve than 6.7% on a 13.8 trillion GDP (real US GDP, not PPP). A larger economy is harder to grow. Basic math. BTW, if you seriously want to play the "catch-up" game, then it should be noted that with a GDP of 1 trillion, Mexico is hot on your trails. You'd better watch out.
I work with the space industry, and from time to time we have to travel to Moscow. The rates on flats that are quoted to foreigners are a lot different than the rates quoted to nationals. Know this: The Russian nationals buying those Moscow flats are not paying the prices you're quoting.
The US car industry is moving plants to Russia because the labor there is cheap, and you don't have as many restrictions on pollution (which is probably why Moscow smells like diesel gasoline - you probably don't notice, because sensory adaption has kicked in.). Do you think that they would move plants there because the labor is more expensive? Come on now...think.
Look...No one is saying Russia isn't doing better than it was 20 years ago. It is. Good for you. You should get used to criticism if you want to play in the big boy's playground. You're nobody unless somebody is talking about you. Stop complaining and have some pride that anyone even cares to talk about the Russian birth rate.

[Stefanya]

Why_Me wrote:

Life in Russia sucks for most people there. No wonder they all want to immigrate to the west. I mean can anyone blame Russians for not wanting to live in Russia? I know I sure wouldn't want to live in a country with those living conditions. Of course I am sure they are used to it...it's been like that for the last thousand years.:(

And who cares what you think. Things are going to get better in Russia, and you will still be blowing it out your rabidly racist, Russian hating ear. Even now when there is a chance and a reason for events in Russia to change, it is made more difficult by jack*sses like yourself who spew and spew and spew hatred.

Well lots of people are returning to Russia and Medvedev is ging to continue to programs begun by Putin, and they will make a difference in time. So stop dooling all over yourself at the thought of Russia disappearing, because it ain't going to happen.

[Stefanya]

Shawanas Warrior wrote:

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Uh! Oh! Now robocrap is buying and selling properties. Must have been watching the real estate shows on the telly. He probably got the idea from his landlord coming for the monthly dole. Hey! robocrap!! Had settlement on two of my waterfront properties last year for a net profit of 1 1/2 mill. Invested it in gold at 550 per ounce, and going to sell at 900 per ounce. Not bad for less than one year, eh! As to your prices that you quote in London, they must be shacks. The market for a good flat in a good neighborhood is over one mil. Certainly way over the cost for a middle income russian. But it is not feasible. Taxes, cost of living, etc. are simply not worth it. You better just stick to reading and dreaming, you could never make it in the real estate game, jacko.

Read more carefully. He said the average price is less than $600,000. But I'll bet he know the price of a good flat.

Why don't you just get your Russian hating, predjuced mouth in gear and just slobber all over yourelf at the thought of other human beings being in trouble. You will be eating that attitude, when the policies of Putin and Medvedev turn it around. People who gloat are not very attractive and later have to eat their words.

[Stefanya]

Shawanas Warrior wrote:

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Uh! Oh! Now robocrap is buying and selling properties. Must have been watching the real estate shows on the telly. He probably got the idea from his landlord coming for the monthly dole. Hey! robocrap!! Had settlement on two of my waterfront properties last year for a net profit of 1 1/2 mill. Invested it in gold at 550 per ounce, and going to sell at 900 per ounce. Not bad for less than one year, eh! As to your prices that you quote in London, they must be shacks. The market for a good flat in a good neighborhood is over one mil. Certainly way over the cost for a middle income russian. But it is not feasible. Taxes, cost of living, etc. are simply not worth it. You better just stick to reading and dreaming, you could never make it in the real estate game, jacko.

Blah, blah, blah you racist jerk. Use some of that money to learn manners and respect for others. Oh and you'd best buy some religious teachings as well. You are the prime example of one of the Rich whom the bible says it will be as difficult to enter the kingedom of God than a camel passing through a needle's eye.
You might have money and are living the good life, but you don't amount to the lives of any of the millions of Russians in trouble at the present. What a depicable creature you must be, money or not.

[Stefanya]

Manumuski Warrior wrote:

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Ha! Heap big bull crapper pale face type from big real estate book. Try to fool all warriors to make us believe he expert. He just a charletan! Now, he say he big shot land grabber. Sell our land. He live in little wikwam with other male maidens. We should push in council fire and barbeque him. Feed him to the dogs.

No he is right and you know it. You are full of hate and bluster and it shows. Things are beginning to turn around in Russia, thanks to Putin and his policies will be continued by Medvedev.
Medvedev is paying attention to pensions and working on programs to make sure that the people are not left behind as everyone can't be an oil baron.

Putin outlined all this in his speech in 2007, and he is well-aware of the population dynamics and what must be done. And there are still lots of Russians in the Republics who may or may not return to Russia as the laws are changing to help accommodate them as citizens if they want to come.

[Stefanya]

Veronica wrote:

Robespierre,it's a lot easier to produce a large growth rate on a small GDP than on a large GDP. What I'm saying is that 6.7% on 1.5 trillion (real Russian GDP, not PPP), is a lot easier to achieve than 6.7% on a 13.8 trillion GDP (real US GDP, not PPP). A larger economy is harder to grow. Basic math. BTW, if you seriously want to play the "catch-up" game, then it should be noted that with a GDP of 1 trillion, Mexico is hot on your trails. You'd better watch out.
I work with the space industry, and from time to time we have to travel to Moscow. The rates on flats that are quoted to foreigners are a lot different than the rates quoted to nationals. Know this: The Russian nationals buying those Moscow flats are not paying the prices you're quoting.
The US car industry is moving plants to Russia because the labor there is cheap, and you don't have as many restrictions on pollution (which is probably why Moscow smells like diesel gasoline - you probably don't notice, because sensory adaption has kicked in.). Do you think that they would move plants there because the labor is more expensive? Come on now...think.
Look...No one is saying Russia isn't doing better than it was 20 years ago. It is. Good for you. You should get used to criticism if you want to play in the big boy's playground. You're nobody unless somebody is talking about you. Stop complaining and have some pride that anyone even cares to talk about the Russian birth rate.

He should be grateful that anyone cares about the Russian birth rate? What gall you have. People like you in the USA and Why_nut? are ecstatic that people are suffering and the birth rate is going down, as you gloat over the figure skating coaches, figure skaters, moissev dancers and scientits etc, have moved here. Some high moral ground you stand on.

[Stefanya]

Wow, a typical American attitude which doens't care about anything but itself. An attitude which doent mind getting the best minds, and artists from around the world , recently from Russia and then gloats at the misfortune of others. I am glad that Russia has rejected western interference, which only led to the Russian mafia, Americans getting rich at the expense of Russian resources and led to a situation so grim that people are being bought and sold on the world white slavery market, with good old north america and the USA being a huge market for the white slave trade.

Gee you'd think with all of that understanding, christianity, democracy and kind-heartedness, that Americans, would have been rejecting human beings being sold into white slavery for the benefit of fat, ugly old overfed, men with plenty of money.

So why isn't good old America at the forefront of stopping this white slavery just for altuistic motives of course, Because they care about humanity so much.

So I guess American men are so stuck on themelves that they just assume that all those very young girls just dream about being whored to death and get those sexual diseses like HIV and Aids. Yes of course, all girls of being whored to death and in a coutnry which claims to be so much better than anyone in the world and that's why white slavery is so rampant in America. YOu can't blame those poor men; after all they don't have wives or children and most of all no young daughters.

What hypocricy. And don't forget adoptions. Now Americans with plenty of money can adopt Russian kids, why is that, is it because a lot of them can't have kids and would prefere a white child over a chinese or phillipines?

Anyhow, think of how it has improved the lives of americans to be able to get children from russia. So in effect the USA is just one huge country of opportunists who though claiming to be so religous and moraled, just like to take advantage of people and to feed off the carcass of a dying system.

Russia has seen the "benefits?" of the USA and the wesst interfering in their business, and that is why they are backing men like Putin and Medvedev. They will get through this bad time too, alone as usual, and they will hate America and their ways even more.

MOving their stinking car plants to Russia in order to make more profits and not giving a damn about what they are doing to the air the Russians breate, is just o philenthropic. Wow, rush to take advantage of people and nations and make tons of money. Got to keep that no. one position in the world and show what great people we are.

Your kind and your attitude turn my stomach.

What a compassionate woman you are.

[Stefanya]

Manumuski Warrior wrote:

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Ha! Heap big bull crapper pale face type from big real estate book. Try to fool all warriors to make us believe he expert. He just a charletan! Now, he say he big shot land grabber. Sell our land. He live in little wikwam with other male maidens. We should push in council fire and barbeque him. Feed him to the dogs.

No you are the charlatan pretending to be a human being when you are morally empty. Goes to show that living in a democratic country and having lots of money, enough to fly to Russia and take advantage of people or buy what you want doesn't make you a good human being.

No wonder Russia is rejecting Democracy and looking to itself to solve its problems and I have every confidence that they will. And when they do you still will be a miserable piece of humanity with lots of money and no soul.

[Stefanya]

Shawanas Warrior wrote:

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Hey Mr. Rabbit: Your facts are correct. Now lets watch the denial and the excuses!!

Hey nasty, hard-hearted, soul-less american creepoid, the fact is you don't make criteria for human being. But Russia will surprise you and make you choke on your hatred. Thing will change and for the better and you'll still be a miserable hater and racist.

[Why_Me]

Stefanya wrote:

Wow, a typical American attitude which doens't care about anything but itself. An attitude which doent mind getting the best minds, and artists from around the world , recently from Russia and then gloats at the misfortune of others. I am glad that Russia has rejected western interference, which only led to the Russian mafia, Americans getting rich at the expense of Russian resources and led to a situation so grim that people are being bought and sold on the world white slavery market, with good old north america and the USA being a huge market for the white slave trade.
Gee you'd think with all of that understanding, christianity, democracy and kind-heartedness, that Americans, would have been rejecting human beings being sold into white slavery for the benefit of fat, ugly old overfed, men with plenty of money.
So why isn't good old America at the forefront of stopping this white slavery just for altuistic motives of course, Because they care about humanity so much.
So I guess American men are so stuck on themelves that they just assume that all those very young girls just dream about being whored to death and get those sexual diseses like HIV and Aids. Yes of course, all girls of being whored to death and in a coutnry which claims to be so much better than anyone in the world and that's why white slavery is so rampant in America. YOu can't blame those poor men; after all they don't have wives or children and most of all no young daughters.
What hypocricy. And don't forget adoptions. Now Americans with plenty of money can adopt Russian kids, why is that, is it because a lot of them can't have kids and would prefere a white child over a chinese or phillipines?
Anyhow, think of how it has improved the lives of americans to be able to get children from russia. So in effect the USA is just one huge country of opportunists who though claiming to be so religous and moraled, just like to take advantage of people and to feed off the carcass of a dying system.
Russia has seen the "benefits?" of the USA and the wesst interfering in their business, and that is why they are backing men like Putin and Medvedev. They will get through this bad time too, alone as usual, and they will hate America and their ways even more.
MOving their stinking car plants to Russia in order to make more profits and not giving a damn about what they are doing to the air the Russians breate, is just o philenthropic. Wow, rush to take advantage of people and nations and make tons of money. Got to keep that no. one position in the world and show what great people we are.
Your kind and your attitude turn my stomach.
What a compassionate woman you are.

Show us some links as to how we are so involved in the Russian White Slave Trade. Russians will sell their mothers, sisters, wives, girl friends, etc... just to buy more vodka and buy a new car.

That I can post links about seeing how I have done so on this forum several times. Of course you have no links StepOnYa to back up your post.

[Stefanya]

Why_Me wrote:

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Show us some links as to how we are so involved in the Russian White Slave Trade. Russians will sell their mothers, sisters, wives, girl friends, etc... just to buy more vodka and buy a new car.
That I can post links about seeing how I have done so on this forum several times. Of course you have no links StepOnYa to back up your post.

It' been on the news. You do watch the news don't you, or are you to busy travelling to Russia.

[Why_Me]

Stefanya wrote:

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It' been on the news. You do watch the news don't you, or are you to busy travelling to Russia.

Ya right. Show us proof, or STFU.