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The murder rate in Russia, with a population of 139 million and strict gun control is number 5 in the world.

The murder rate in the USA, with a population of 340 million and an armed citizenry is number 24 in the world.

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Surprising but true that Russia is such a country of more murderers more than Mexico.
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well, but Russia is in the state of war in the Caucases so this data mean NOTHING - its as if to measure murder rate during ww2 in France while battles were going on and to judje about France based on that.....

Here is more adequate statistics

country crime rate

* United States 11,877,218
* United Kingdom 6,523,706
* Germany 3,771,850
* France 2,952,370
* Russia 2,853,739
* Japan 2,683,849
* South Africa 2,516,918
* Canada 2,231,550
* Italy 1,764,630



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Compared with other countries, the United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. As of 2006, a record 7 million people were behind bars, on probation or on parole, of which 2.2 million were incarcerated. The People's Republic of China ranks second with 1.5 million. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population.[17][dated info]

In terms of federal prison, 57% of those incarcerated were sentenced for drug offenses. However, the federal prison population is a very small percentage of the massive state prison population, which also holds numerous people convicted of drug offenses. Currently, considering local jails as well, almost a million of those incarcerated are in prison for non-violent crime.[18] In 2002, roughly 93.2 % of prisoners were male. About 10.4 % of all black males in the United States between the ages of 25 and 29 were sentenced and in prison by year end, compared to 2.4 % of Hispanic males and 1.2 % of white males.[19]

Many sociologists and Criminal Justice Academics argue that this disparity in prison population is reflective of discriminatory sentencing. In a study conducted by the Rand Corporation, it has been estimated that Blacks and Latinos received longer sentences and spent more time in jail than their white counterparts who were convicted of similar crimes and with similar criminal records. One particular example revealed the state of California statistically imposed sentences that averaged 6.5 months longer for Hispanics, and 1.5 months longer for Blacks when compared to white inmates.[20]

Aizenman, N.C.. "New High in Prison Numbers". The Washington Post February 29, 2008: 1-1.According to the Washington Post, More than one in 100 adults in the United States is in jail or prison, an all-time high that is costing state governments nearly $50 billion a year and the federal government $5 billion more. With more than 2.3 million people behind bars, the United States leads the world in both the number and percentage of residents it incarcerates, leaving China a remote second, according to a study by the Pew Center on the States. For example, Florida, which has almost doubled its prison population over the past 15 years, has experienced a smaller drop in crime than New York, which, after a brief increase, has reduced its number of inmates to below the 1993 level.

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There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006 (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996). In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). A closer look at The National Archive of Criminal Justice Data indicates that per-capita homicide rates over the last 30 years on average of major cities, New Orleans' average per capita homicide rate of 52 murders per 100,000 people overall (19802009) ranks highest among major U.S. cities. Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark (in USA 5.5)

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What a lame attempt to divert the issue. Russia is rated number 5th.in the world in murders, while the USA with a much larger population is ranked 24th. in the world.

Thus, Russia is a murderous and certainly more dangerous country to live in than the USA. No question about it. And no matter how you close your mind to this fact, and try feeble attempts to defend your murderers, the USA is still much safer to live in than russia.

Comparing such is quite apples and oranges. LOL.
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Bernard wrote:
What a lame attempt to divert the issue. Russia is rated number 5th.in the world in murders, while the USA with a much larger population is ranked 24th. in the world.
Thus, Russia is a murderous and certainly more dangerous country to live in than the USA. No question about it. And no matter how you close your mind to this fact, and try feeble attempts to defend your murderers, the USA is still much safer to live in than russia.
Comparing such is quite apples and oranges. LOL.
but there is a WAR going on in Russia in the south - how do you want to get less numbers of murders?- are you stupid?- you should make measures of murder rate in peace time,or at least exclude Caucases from statistics - then you'll see that in other (then Caucases) parts of Russia murder rate is not bigger then in USA as per capita...For example in New Yourk murder rate is bigger then in Moscow as per capita - do you know that?
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hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>but there is a WAR going on in Russia in the south - how do you want to get less numbers of murders?- are you stupid?- you should make measures of murder rate in peace time,or at least exclude Caucases from statistics - then you'll see that in other (then Caucases) parts of Russia murder rate is not bigger then in USA as per capita...For example in New Yourk murder rate is bigger then in Moscow as per capita - do you know that?
War related deaths are not included. These are domestic murders. Not conflict deaths. Different set of stats. You again attempt to muddle the truth. Mafia , domestic spouse murders, and other criminal actions are what comprise these murders. Russia is a murderous and dangerous country. Comparing such with the USA is again apples and Oranges. Russia is number five in world murders while the USA with a bigger population and armed citizens is ranked 24th. Your desperation to disperse with the truth is really hysterical and comical.
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Bernard wrote:
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War related deaths are not included. These are domestic murders. Not conflict deaths. Different set of stats. You again attempt to muddle the truth. Mafia , domestic spouse murders, and other criminal actions are what comprise these murders. Russia is a murderous and dangerous country. Comparing such with the USA is again apples and Oranges. Russia is number five in world murders while the USA with a bigger population and armed citizens is ranked 24th. Your desperation to disperse with the truth is really hysterical and comical.
bs.- deaths in Chechnya and Dagestan are included in murders as officially there is no war - and you know it - true statistics may be found in big cities if compared - murder rate in New Yourk is higher then in Moscow. There is no desperation from my side as I am here to improve my English writing skills and so I am responding to nearly every post,it doesn't matter for me what to discuss actually, also I am a Russian on Russian forum - as for you, my friend, you come to Russian forum (why is that?-you are not a Russian, right?)so you deliberatelly come here to post some your information and to push your agenda here - so it is you who is desperate and hysterical in your attempts -othervise why you spend do much time here?- not to improve your English and not to make friends with Russians I gess - LOL !!!- you see, it is very easy to see who is desperate using some logics...
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<quoted text>bs.- deaths in Chechnya and Dagestan are included in murders as officially there is no war - and you know it - true statistics may be found in big cities if compared - murder rate in New Yourk is higher then in Moscow. There is no desperation from my side as I am here to improve my English writing skills and so I am responding to nearly every post,it doesn't matter for me what to discuss actually, also I am a Russian on Russian forum - as for you, my friend, you come to Russian forum (why is that?-you are not a Russian, right?)so you deliberatelly come here to post some your information and to push your agenda here - so it is you who is desperate and hysterical in your attempts -othervise why you spend do much time here?- not to improve your English and not to make friends with Russians I gess - LOL !!!- you see, it is very easy to see who is desperate using some logics...
You are really a stupid person. The murder stats do not include war dead. You reach for branches from a branch -free tree .

Such war casualities are a minimal amount compared with russia's murder rate of civilian to civilian murders. Russia is a very dangerous and murderous country. Fifth in the world of civilian to civilian murders. All you do by your postings is to make an ass out of your self. At least your posts provide chuckles and laughter by the world. And to expose to the world that russia can not except the truth, no matter how clear the truth is. LOL.
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You are really a stupid person. The murder stats do not include war dead. You reach for branches from a branch -free tree .
Such war casualities are a minimal amount compared with russia's murder rate of civilian to civilian murders. Russia is a very dangerous and murderous country. Fifth in the world of civilian to civilian murders. All you do by your postings is to make an ass out of your self. At least your posts provide chuckles and laughter by the world. And to expose to the world that russia can not except the truth, no matter how clear the truth is. LOL.
I don't care much about impression - I post what I think and don't give a hoot....as for "The murder stats do not include war dead" - right, but there is NO WAR OFFICIALLY in Chechnya and Dagestan- don't you get it - officially all the murders there are listed as murders, but in fact the wat goes on and people are killed on dayly vases in the region - as if you don't know - and they all are reported as murders AS THERE IS NO WAR OFFICIALLY, although there is war in fact -what is not clear? are you dumb?...Look at murder rate statistics in New Yourk vs. Moscow and you'll realise that New Yourk is more dangerous city then Moscow - there are places in New Yourk where people are afraid to walk at night - there are no such places in Moscow or in my city of St.Petersburg...

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<quoted text>I don't care much about impression - I post what I think and don't give a hoot....as for "The murder stats do not include war dead" - right, but there is NO WAR OFFICIALLY in Chechnya and Dagestan- don't you get it - officially all the murders there are listed as murders, but in fact the wat goes on and people are killed on dayly vases in the region - as if you don't know - and they all are reported as murders AS THERE IS NO WAR OFFICIALLY, although there is war in fact -what is not clear? are you dumb?...Look at murder rate statistics in New Yourk vs. Moscow and you'll realise that New Yourk is more dangerous city then Moscow - there are places in New Yourk where people are afraid to walk at night - there are no such places in Moscow or in my city of St.Petersburg...
Let me get this clear. You're saying that what the police and soldiers in Russia are doing is murder. This is correct. Surely you don't mean that because if you do what you're saying is that the government in Russia is MORE corrupt than it already is and that the armed forces in Russia are hired killers, right?
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SWG UG wrote:
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Let me get this clear. You're saying that what the police and soldiers in Russia are doing is murder. This is correct. Surely you don't mean that because if you do what you're saying is that the government in Russia is MORE corrupt than it already is and that the armed forces in Russia are hired killers, right?
there are no federal armed forces in Chechnya, man - all the law enforcement is executed by local Chechen police and security (Kadyrov's people)now and yes, from both sides (Islamists and Kadyrov's) there are permanent security operations going on - a lot of those are reported in press and on TV (as if you don't know), some are not reported - curruption has nothing to do with that - corruption exists in other spheras - your post is one more prove that you are not quolified to post anything about Russia as you have no idea about situation and you even don't understand my explanation - when Islamists come from the mountains at night and kill the whole family of a person whom they consider "murtad" - betrayer (collaborater)- is it war?- yes,- especially that it happens every day in that or another part of Caucases - is it reported as war casualty?- no way - officially Jihadists are just bandits, not enemy's army, so their victims are statistics of murder...the same happens when Kadyrov's police commit exesis in retaliation- they have blood revenge (VENDETTA TYPE -DON'T FORGET)- how do they report victims of revenge to Moscow?- try to wreck your brains - naturally as a murder of somebody, nobody knows who - othervise they would have to explain and prove that those killed are really Jihadists - very difficult to prove it as everybody who participated in garrilar war would attest - in daylight he is a civil persant, but at night he takes a bomb and cast it in the window of local police officer - as if you don't know - even americans in Afganistan know that type of behaviour...everybody, including neighbours know who is who, but you need proves and the whole procedure to do smth. for arrest - in situation of permanent warfare it is simply impossible - or you surrender the territory to Jihadists and Al-Queda or you fight back - it is war against terrorism, the same like in Afganistan, but simply officialy it is peace. Hope you understand now?...So general statistics in Russia regarding murder rate is worse then in USA, bur again - look for statistics for Moscow vs. Washington(Moscow is 4 times safer !!!)-here is statistics per 100 000 population in the worst time for Russia - wild 1990-s (now Putin crack down on crime in Russian cities as you know.So, here we go

per 100 000

1) Washington, D.C., USA 69.3
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9

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@SWG UG

and here just to illustrate to you what I said about 1990-s as wildest years in Russia - look at statistics of 2008 and feel the difference:

Moscow - 9.6 per 100 000 residents as compared for example with Caracas, Venezuela 130 per 100,000 residents -feel the difference?

here is the source

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Moscow, Russia

Population: 10.4 million

Murder rate: 9.6 per 100,000 (estimate)

Whats happening: Moscows murder rate is nothing compared with that of Caracas or Cape Town, but the city still ranks way above other major European capitals. London, Paris, Rome, and Madrid, for instance, all had rates below 2 murders per 100,000 in 2006. The Russian capitals homicide rate is down 15 percent this year from last, but the recent surge in hate crimesincluding the deadly beating of a Tajik carpenter by a gang of youths on Valentines Daysuggests that the lull might be temporary. Sixty ethnically motivated killings have already happened this year, part of a sixfold increase in hate crimes committed in the city during 2007. Several of the murders have been attributed to ultranationalist skinhead groups like the Spas, who killed 11 people in a 2006 bombing of a multiethnic market in northern Moscow. The Russian government has finally stepped up to combat the problem, assisting migrant groups and cracking down on street gangs. Still, the continued rise in extremist attacks is worrisome. And along with migrants, journalists and other high-profile people in Moscow might also want to be a little wary in Russia62 contract murders took place in the country in 2005, according to official statistics.

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SWG UG wrote:
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Let me get this clear. You're saying that what the police and soldiers in Russia are doing is murder. This is correct. Surely you don't mean that because if you do what you're saying is that the government in Russia is MORE corrupt than it already is and that the armed forces in Russia are hired killers, right?
Good point! Now watch our little Nashi leader again try to divert facts with a smoke-screen away from the issue. The fact is, Russia is number five in the world in domestic murders. Not including those murdered by their police and military.
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@SWG UG
and here just to illustrate to you what I said about 1990-s as wildest years in Russia - look at statistics of 2008 and feel the difference:
Moscow - 9.6 per 100 000 residents as compared for example with Caracas, Venezuela 130 per 100,000 residents -feel the difference?
here is the source
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...
Moscow, Russia
Population: 10.4 million
Murder rate: 9.6 per 100,000 (estimate)
Whats happening: Moscows murder rate is nothing compared with that of Caracas or Cape Town, but the city still ranks way above other major European capitals. London, Paris, Rome, and Madrid, for instance, all had rates below 2 murders per 100,000 in 2006. The Russian capitals homicide rate is down 15 percent this year from last, but the recent surge in hate crimesincluding the deadly beating of a Tajik carpenter by a gang of youths on Valentines Daysuggests that the lull might be temporary. Sixty ethnically motivated killings have already happened this year, part of a sixfold increase in hate crimes committed in the city during 2007. Several of the murders have been attributed to ultranationalist skinhead groups like the Spas, who killed 11 people in a 2006 bombing of a multiethnic market in northern Moscow. The Russian government has finally stepped up to combat the problem, assisting migrant groups and cracking down on street gangs. Still, the continued rise in extremist attacks is worrisome. And along with migrants, journalists and other high-profile people in Moscow might also want to be a little wary in Russia62 contract murders took place in the country in 2005, according to official statistics.
TORSTEN BLACKWOOD/AFP/Getty Images
In russia, all murders are hate crimes. Of course your stats do not measure up to the truth. The stats are collective of the country, not just Moscow. We are talking about russia's Murder rate, not about Cape Town. And most of russia's murders are not committed by ultra nationalists. Murders are committed by the average citizen in drunken rages, spouse murders, domestic disputes, random killings, crimes of passion, and the mafia.
What you are saying is that the majority of murders are committed by skin-heads is simply not true. It is a common problem of the average russian. And, in most cases, it involves vodka and alcohol.
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Small Town America UGX wrote:
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Good point! Now watch our little Nashi leader again try to divert facts with a smoke-screen away from the issue. The fact is, Russia is number five in the world in domestic murders. Not including those murdered by their police and military.
first I am not a nashi leader, and second what do I try to divert?- all my links are to american sources - go through those and enjoy the fact that Moscow is safer then majority of american cities as far as murders are concerned...
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<quoted text>first I am not a nashi leader, and second what do I try to divert?- all my links are to american sources - go through those and enjoy the fact that Moscow is safer then majority of american cities as far as murders are concerned...
Yawn! And go thru my small home town day or night, and you will be safe. Not one murder has ever been committed, nor any armed robbery, assualts, or rapes. Some B&E's, like one two years ago by kids . Moscow nor my small town are the subjects. It is the overview that you seem to have problems with. Moscow is dangerous. Utra-nationalists, etc. murders, assualts, are common. Even routine. Sports gangs, hooligans, and nasty drunks etc. are everywhere in Moscow. When I was last in Russia on professional business, I was assigned an armed russian body guard to accompany me in both Moscow and Saint Petersburgh at night. And that is no bull sht.

And it was strongly suggested I never travel way out in the boondocks away from the cities because of highway robbers. Even your own federal police told me of the dangers, not because I was an American, but it was dangerous for everyone.
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Yawn! And go thru my small home town day or night, and you will be safe. Not one murder has ever been committed, nor any armed robbery, assualts, or rapes. Some B&E's, like one two years ago by kids . Moscow nor my small town are the subjects. It is the overview that you seem to have problems with. Moscow is dangerous. Utra-nationalists, etc. murders, assualts, are common. Even routine. Sports gangs, hooligans, and nasty drunks etc. are everywhere in Moscow. When I was last in Russia on professional business, I was assigned an armed russian body guard to accompany me in both Moscow and Saint Petersburgh at night. And that is no bull sht.
And it was strongly suggested I never travel way out in the boondocks away from the cities because of highway robbers. Even your own federal police told me of the dangers, not because I was an American, but it was dangerous for everyone.
you think I too walk with armed body guard here in St.Petersburg ?- you forget that I live here every day and now typing at 4.54 a.m., thanks God it is Saturday tommorow (today already here)...again - I rely on american sources as you see - they claim Moscow is safer then majority of US big cities - I don't know about your town - how big is population in your town?
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<quoted text>you think I too walk with armed body guard here in St.Petersburg ?- you forget that I live here every day and now typing at 4.54 a.m., thanks God it is Saturday tommorow (today already here)...again - I rely on american sources as you see - they claim Moscow is safer then majority of US big cities - I don't know about your town - how big is population in your town?
Ha! I bet you do not walk very much alone at night. We do have some very dangerous cities with high murder rates. All are poor economically . St. Louis, Missouri . Newark, N. J. and Camden, N. J. I do not go to unless I am armed. Moscow is more dangerous than New York City. And in the context of this thread, it is academic that Russia is fifth for murder and the USA is 24th.

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