Americans Live Longer Than Russians

Americans Live Longer Than Russians

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Benard Rutherford PHD

Somers Point, NJ

#1 Mar 10, 2011
The average life expectancy for Americans is 78.3

The average life expectancy for Poland is 75.6

The average life expectancy for Venezuelians is 70.9

The average life expectancy for North Korea is 65.1

The average life expectancy for russians is 62

Russia is a very unhealthy country to live.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#2 Mar 10, 2011
Benard Rutherford PHD wrote:
The average life expectancy for Americans is 78.3
The average life expectancy for Poland is 75.6
The average life expectancy for Venezuelians is 70.9
The average life expectancy for North Korea is 65.1
The average life expectancy for russians is 62
Russia is a very unhealthy country to live.
as always STA, you are liar, but indeed life expectancy is low in Russia - it was much better in Soviet times - does it mean Russians have to bring commies back?..

"As of 2010, the average life expectancy in Russia was 63.03 years for males and 74.87 years for females.[52] The average Russian life expectancy of 68.98 years at birth is nearly 10 years shorter than the overall average figure for the European Union, or the United States.[53]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Lempäälä, Finland

#3 Mar 10, 2011
I am willing to bet siberian russians live about the same age as black americans do. Its all about regional variance and ethnic groups.

I am not saying "white" ( what ever that means) russians and americans live longer than rest of the citizens but it is only natural that muscovites and new yorkers live longer than siberians or the inhabitants of Detroit.
Benard Rutherford PHD

Northfield, NJ

#4 Mar 10, 2011
Madam, you are wrong. You subsituted your own statistics. But, even considering your inflated number, Russia only has a life expectancy of 63 years, which is only one point higher than the official 62 year. It is still lower than North Korea at 65 years, and substantially lower than the USA average of 78.3.

Again Madam, I just report the statistics. If you desire to return to communism, that is your choice. However , such would only be restricted to russia, as it has no other countries surrounding you that would ever desire to become a USSR again. If russia desired to pursue that matter, it would substantially reduce your russian life expectancy to about zero.

You are radically attempting to change your life expectancy from 62 to something somewhat higher. But that is not reality, madam. This desperate attempt to change such on paper does not bespeak of the facts. Is this desperation a personal cry for help because you have a terminal sickness?
Benard Rutherford PHD

Northfield, NJ

#5 Mar 10, 2011
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
I am willing to bet siberian russians live about the same age as black americans do. Its all about regional variance and ethnic groups.
I am not saying "white" ( what ever that means) russians and americans live longer than rest of the citizens but it is only natural that muscovites and new yorkers live longer than siberians or the inhabitants of Detroit.
Mr. Finn. You are somewhat wrong. New Yorkers live much longer than muscovites. Your reasoning may be better compared with saying that residents of Detroit even live much longer than muscovites. Even those who live in the slums of Venezuela live longer at 71 years than russians at 62.
Perhaps that as the life expectancy rate of Finland is comparable to the USA which an average of 78 years, your country could consider invading and settle in russia, thus hopefully, raising their life expectancy a little.

Professor Benard Rutherford, PHD
Annie

UK

#6 Mar 10, 2011
I think you have to give ex soviet bloc countries a chance to go through a whole generation before you can make comparisons, because people who are 60 now would have lived through the communist years when times and lifestyles were pretty tough compared to those in the west. People age 60 would have acquired conditions that are totally unrelated to the lifestyle today. for a start Chernobyl would have a huge impact and will have skewed the data (unless they have adjusted the figures for this).

Mortality at birth would be more representative of deprivation levels in the current day and age.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#7 Mar 10, 2011
Benard Rutherford PHD wrote:
Madam, you are wrong. You subsituted your own statistics. But, even considering your inflated number, Russia only has a life expectancy of 63 years, which is only one point higher than the official 62 year. It is still lower than North Korea at 65 years, and substantially lower than the USA average of 78.3.
Again Madam, I just report the statistics. If you desire to return to communism, that is your choice. However , such would only be restricted to russia, as it has no other countries surrounding you that would ever desire to become a USSR again. If russia desired to pursue that matter, it would substantially reduce your russian life expectancy to about zero.
You are radically attempting to change your life expectancy from 62 to something somewhat higher. But that is not reality, madam. This desperate attempt to change such on paper does not bespeak of the facts. Is this desperation a personal cry for help because you have a terminal sickness?
STA, looks like you started to drink vodka (if to judje by your post- funny, I agree)- first of all 63 is male life expectancy in Russia, not average (I gess its because they drink too much like you do now), female life expectancy in Russia is comparable to USA - 74 years -and it is a real indicator which means that if one don't abuse alcohol and don't go to the war in Chechnya (thats what women way of life in Russia is), then he/she lives aproximatelly the same long as average american... It is natural that if one starts to drink like you he can die at the age of 50 even if he lives in the richest country in the world - so average life expectancy is what there in Russia? What is there in my quotation from Wikipedia?- 68,5 years in Russia?- not good, not good, but have not Russia gone through the turmoil comparable to the disaster of civil war just several years ago, eh? Think about it...
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#8 Mar 10, 2011
Annie wrote:
I think you have to give ex soviet bloc countries a chance to go through a whole generation before you can make comparisons, because people who are 60 now would have lived through the communist years when times and lifestyles were pretty tough compared to those in the west. People age 60 would have acquired conditions that are totally unrelated to the lifestyle today. for a start Chernobyl would have a huge impact and will have skewed the data (unless they have adjusted the figures for this).
Mortality at birth would be more representative of deprivation levels in the current day and age.
Annie, don't you see that STA wants just to gloat about situation with life expectancy in Russia - it is his permanent fight to artificially rise his low self-esteem at the expence of smbdy else...Evberybody knows that some countries are richer, others are poorer - it will be always this way, but to permanently rejoyce about swtatistic of poorty and problems abroad it is exactly that poorty porn which I once mentioned to you and consumers of which (STA) I despise with disgust. As for your post - I generally agree, but you should remember that in USSR life expectancy rised from 45 to 69 years from 1920-s to 1970-s in Soviet Central Asia (while in neighbouring Afganistan which had the same starting conditions as Soviet Central Asia in 1920-s - it (longevity) was 45 in 1920-s, 45 in 1970-s and 45 now)

Since: May 08

Kiev-Moscow-St.Peterburg

#9 Mar 10, 2011
Benard Rutherford PHD wrote:
The average life expectancy for Americans is 78.3
The average life expectancy for Poland is 75.6
The average life expectancy for Venezuelians is 70.9
The average life expectancy for North Korea is 65.1
The average life expectancy for russians is 62
Russia is a very unhealthy country to live.
The problem is that about quarter of American men change its sex till 50.
hmmmm

Santa Clara, CA

#11 Mar 10, 2011
everybody knows russians die young....it has to do with vodka...good for the world....
Annie

UK

#12 Mar 10, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>Annie, don't you see that STA wants just to gloat about situation with life expectancy in Russia - it is his permanent fight to artificially rise his low self-esteem at the expence of smbdy else...Evberybody knows that some countries are richer, others are poorer - it will be always this way, but to permanently rejoyce about swtatistic of poorty and problems abroad it is exactly that poorty porn which I once mentioned to you and consumers of which (STA) I despise with disgust. As for your post - I generally agree, but you should remember that in USSR life expectancy rised from 45 to 69 years from 1920-s to 1970-s in Soviet Central Asia (while in neighbouring Afganistan which had the same starting conditions as Soviet Central Asia in 1920-s - it (longevity) was 45 in 1920-s, 45 in 1970-s and 45 now)
Well life expectancy rose a great deal after the introduction of penicillin so you would see a huge increase in every country that had access to the drugs in that period.

I hate the use of statistics as justification of arguments. The underlying data is always flawed in some way.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Lempäälä, Finland

#13 Mar 10, 2011
Benard Rutherford PHD wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Finn. You are somewhat wrong. New Yorkers live much longer than muscovites. Your reasoning may be better compared with saying that residents of Detroit even live much longer than muscovites. Even those who live in the slums of Venezuela live longer at 71 years than russians at 62.
Perhaps that as the life expectancy rate of Finland is comparable to the USA which an average of 78 years, your country could consider invading and settle in russia, thus hopefully, raising their life expectancy a little.
Professor Benard Rutherford, PHD
Muscovites life expectancy is low because there are alot of immigrants there. There is no proof that a so called slavic russian person has any lower life expectancy than let say a georgian one.

Most unhealthy russian citizens probaly live in the Caucasus but considering the history and corruption that"s pretty understandable, noh?

Perhaps hhhhm knows better what ethnic group lives the longest the the Russian Federation.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Lempäälä, Finland

#14 Mar 10, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
everybody knows russians die young....it has to do with vodka...good for the world....
Better die of Vodka than a drug overdose like your average american or british youngster does these days. Besides if people want to drink and do drugs whether they are americans or russians who are you to stop them. Its a free world remember. "Fascists" lost. hahhaahha

My only concern is that the finno-ugric people of Russia don"t become a bunch of Vodka drinking opium smoking retards. Alot of young estonians and magyars are addicted to drugs these days because of the russian influence.

But like they say nothing lasts forever.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#15 Mar 10, 2011
Annie wrote:
<quoted text>
Well life expectancy rose a great deal after the introduction of penicillin so you would see a huge increase in every country that had access to the drugs in that period.
I hate the use of statistics as justification of arguments. The underlying data is always flawed in some way.
but I gave you comparative numbers (those are from World Health Organisation stats.) in Soviet Central Asia vs. Afganistan -it is very interesting as there were no border actually in the begining of 1920-s - families lived both sides of the border, economic and social conditions ABSOLUTELLY the same in 1920-s in Afganistan and in neighbouring Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgizstan, and in the whole region longevity was just 45 years, BUT then in 1920-s the border was closed and Soviet "stans" separated from independent Afganistan - and as a result by 1978 (before the Afgan war !- so in peacefull time!)- longevity in Soviet "stans" - 69 years, while in independent (still in 1978) Afganistan- 45 yeras (like it was in 1920-s)- its the same like when people compare East and West Germany before the Berlin wall came down - think about it.
Benard Rutherford PHD

Woodbine, NJ

#16 Mar 10, 2011
Russia, with the sixth largest suicide rate in the world, lists the average age of suicides between age 14 to 30. Many because of deliberate over-dose.

More Russian kids die each year due to drugs and alcohol than the USA. In russia, the heroin epidemic and addiction is now the highest in the world, according to President Medvedev.

BUT NOW THAT THE PROBLEM OF RUSSIA'S SHORT LONGIVITY IS RECOGNIZED AND ADMITTED, ALL CONCERNED POSTERS SHOULD POST POSSIBLE CAUSES AND SOLUTIONS TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER. Another attempt of hundreds to bring out russia's problems and seek causes and solutions. Lets all try to make this one positive and mature for once.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#17 Mar 10, 2011
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
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Muscovites life expectancy is low because there are alot of immigrants there. There is no proof that a so called slavic russian person has any lower life expectancy than let say a georgian one.
Most unhealthy russian citizens probaly live in the Caucasus but considering the history and corruption that"s pretty understandable, noh?
Perhaps hhhhm knows better what ethnic group lives the longest the the Russian Federation.
I am not sure that such statistics exists, but I agree with you that those 10 million newcommers (immigrants) who have come to Russia after USSR collapse expirienced big hardships and their health was poor indeed - they contributed a lot to bad statistics now, but still, Russians drink too much (especially in villages) and it ofcource doesn't help to live longer - there is one more problem - so called mongolian gene which 50% of Russian have - it hampers metabolism of alcohol in blood as a result a Russian (of those 50% group) suffers more from the same amount of alcohol then average european - the same is the problem of inuits for example (their too can't "digest" alcohol quick enough to minimise its harm)- it explains why per capita alcohol consumption is lower in Russia then in some other European countries, yet Russians have reputation of drunkards...alcoholism in Russia is more a problem of this genetic peculiarity then of amount of consumption in general or "drinking to death out of desperation" as it is sometimes presented in western media...
Benard Rutherford PHD

Tuckerton, NJ

#18 Mar 10, 2011
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
<quoted text>
Muscovites life expectancy is low because there are alot of immigrants there. There is no proof that a so called slavic russian person has any lower life expectancy than let say a georgian one.
Most unhealthy russian citizens probaly live in the Caucasus but considering the history and corruption that"s pretty understandable, noh?
Perhaps hhhhm knows better what ethnic group lives the longest the the Russian Federation.
Mr. Finn, you are looking at the issue with unqualified, and biased eyes. Just looking at the average life style of the average russian,(including the young) in the major cities like Moscow and Saint Petersburg are the causes that are readily available. Major causes INCLUDE alcoholism and that accompaning life style which includes the young living a reckless, live for today partying mindset.(Millions of russians, for example, make their own home made spirits) They seem to have no motivation or incentive to be concerned with their future. Please keep your racist and ethnic bias in check.
This short longivity has no bearing on your selected ethnic or regional bias.

stype
Benard Rutherford PHD

Pleasantville, NJ

#19 Mar 10, 2011
The consumption of alcohol in russia is NOT low, as a poster stated. Vodka is readily consumed and readily available. It is considered the national drink of russia and has been for hundreds of years. It is even celebrated as such in national celebrations.

BUT, back to longivity. Deaths among the young today are much different and higher than in pre-putin times.
While vodka and drug use has increased with the young, the underlying reasons are more profound. Social and societal conditions are just one MAJOR cause as well as envionmental must be considered in the overview.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#20 Mar 10, 2011
Benard Rutherford PHD wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Finn, you are looking at the issue with unqualified, and biased eyes. Just looking at the average life style of the average russian,(including the young) in the major cities like Moscow and Saint Petersburg are the causes that are readily available. Major causes INCLUDE alcoholism and that accompaning life style which includes the young living a reckless, live for today partying mindset.(Millions of russians, for example, make their own home made spirits) They seem to have no motivation or incentive to be concerned with their future. Please keep your racist and ethnic bias in check.
This short longivity has no bearing on your selected ethnic or regional bias.
stype
"They seem to have no motivation or incentive to be concerned with their future" - it is so wrong, it is so wrong...You praise Ukraine for democracy and good perspectives, but why then life expectancy there is approximatelly the same as in Russia?...you despise Belarus as Lukashenko regime is even more authoritarian then in Russia, but their life expectancy is better then in Russia although by your theory their motivation or incentive to be concerned with their future in Belarus is even worse then in Russia - etc... And then, why in USSR times life expectancy was higher then now, eh?...You try to push your political agenda into the sphera where absolutelly different triggers work...And I don't believe that you want Russians to live longer by the way - your aims are quite opposite - we know you well enough.
Benard Rutherford PHD

Pleasantville, NJ

#21 Mar 10, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure that such statistics exists, but I agree with you that those 10 million newcommers (immigrants) who have come to Russia after USSR collapse expirienced big hardships and their health was poor indeed - they contributed a lot to bad statistics now, but still, Russians drink too much (especially in villages) and it ofcource doesn't help to live longer - there is one more problem - so called mongolian gene which 50% of Russian have - it hampers metabolism of alcohol in blood as a result a Russian (of those 50% group) suffers more from the same amount of alcohol then average european - the same is the problem of inuits for example (their too can't "digest" alcohol quick enough to minimise its harm)- it explains why per capita alcohol consumption is lower in Russia then in some other European countries, yet Russians have reputation of drunkards...alcoholism in Russia is more a problem of this genetic peculiarity then of amount of consumption in general or "drinking to death out of desperation" as it is sometimes presented in western media...
I agree that the Mongolian Gene is responsible for a lot of alcohlism. A very good contribution. Ethnic Russians are more subsecptable to reaching toxic levels faster. However, there is a life style that goes with it that must be taken into account. This traditional lifestyle of drinking is prevelant throughout russia, INCLUDING THE BIG CITIES. And no, alcohol consumption has not been reduced, but rather increased since the Putin era.
Therefore, the longivity problem may have it's roots in vodka, but other social and societal factors are more the reasons for the sharp decline since the USSR collasped and Putin assumed his current era.

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