Q: Why was Russia founded by Germanics?
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#127 Oct 6, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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Blue eyes is a legacy of Indoeuropeans.
R1a hologroup is a result of mutation which happened to Indoeuropean people 20 000 years ago.
R1a is responsible for blue eyes.
If yu have blue eyes, that is thanx to your Indoearopean.
Indoeuropean people`s origine was not India or Iran, It was present Ukraine and Russia.
Ansestors of Indians went to India from Europe what their Vedy say - they had come from the north.
So Indoearopean people are not less than Finish people but they were the one which created what we call now European civilization.
Not Estinians or Finns.
I think the last is so obvious that even you won`t deny that.
LOL. At least we have our own names here. You have what "Vladimir". I think even Georgy is not a Russian name but has greek origin. Vladimir is more of a slavic name since there was no such state as Russia during Kievan Rus when most of these names were made. Granted. Some names here are finnized versions of the original but names like "Mari" are purely finno-ugric origin or did Russians invent that too. Of course not only name defines a person but it is one of the basics. Half of you peasants did not have even surnames in 1910.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#128 Oct 6, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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Blue eyes is a legacy of Indoeuropeans.
R1a hologroup is a result of mutation which happened to Indoeuropean people 20 000 years ago.
R1a is responsible for blue eyes.
If yu have blue eyes, that is thanx to your Indoearopean.
Indoeuropean people`s origine was not India or Iran, It was present Ukraine and Russia.
Ansestors of Indians went to India from Europe what their Vedy say - they had come from the north.
So Indoearopean people are not less than Finish people but they were the one which created what we call now European civilization.
Not Estinians or Finns.
I think the last is so obvious that even you won`t deny that.
Blue eyes have nothing to do with language. It is the melamine. According to your logic Greeks should be lighter than Swedish meatballs.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#129 Oct 6, 2012
tarmo, can I just say, have fun debating with Slavic and R1a supremacists.

Since: Nov 09

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#130 Oct 6, 2012
This is proven that R1a originated among Indoeuropean people. This is proven that R1a is responsible for blue eyes.
END of discussion.
I`m not going to waste my time to prove you that the earth revovlves around the sun.
Actually it matters little where Indoeuropean people orininated, since the thing what is called European race is exactly Indoearopean descendants.
If you claim that you don`t belong to Indoearopean people that means that you don`t belong to European race.
R1a is a distinguish feature of it.
No matter who was the first in Europe, you don`t belong to European race.
Actually it`s ok with me if you on`t belong to us - Europeans, since Estonians are the shittest people in Europe.
Well, maybe after Albanians.

Since: Nov 09

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#131 Oct 6, 2012
TheRealMagyar wrote:
tarmo, can I just say, have fun debating with Slavic and R1a supremacists.
Isn`t it obvious that Slavic people especially Russian are superior to Estonians?

Even Hungarians are superior. lol.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#132 Oct 6, 2012
TheRealMagyar wrote:
Kielbasa is confusing between I1 and I2.
No, I am serious I think I1 started near Austria which is on the cuspe of the Balkans.

For example East Germany has more I1a than Poland does or West Germany does.

Austria has more I1a than Swizterland - West does or Hungary - East does

Serbia & Macedonia have more I1a than do Nations to the West like Italy, Spain, or East like Romania etc.

This supports in my opinion that it seems I1a went up from around Austria / Slovenia in the East Alps & up into East Germany, then into Denmark & Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, etc
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On this I1a haplogroup map you see how I1a bullets towards the Balkans in the 10%+ region on this map being lowest near Austria towards the Balkans

http://www.google.com/imgres...

http://www.google.com/imgres...
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In this map you see how total I haplogroup I1 + I2 seem to connect between East Germany & the Balkans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogroup_...

As if Austria was the central link between I1 & I2.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#133 Oct 6, 2012
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
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Blue eyes have nothing to do with language. It is the melamine. According to your logic Greeks should be lighter than Swedish meatballs.
Sweden & Norway does have more R1a haplogroup than Greece does.

The Northern Mycenean & Macedonian regions of Greece have the most R1a in Greece.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#134 Oct 6, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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No.
The old belief that people moved to the Baltics en masse from the Volga area is long gone.
What still lingers is the old understanding that finno-ugric languages came from the Volga area around 6000 years ago - without immigrants.
I already stated before I believe the Sungir Cro Magnon near the Volga River looked more Finno-Ugric

While I believe the Kostenki Cro Magnon in Ukraine looked more Slavic.

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Konstenki man Cro Magnon in Ukraine looked kind of Proto Slavic a bit like Vitali Klitschko.

http://www.google.com/imgres...
Finno-Ugric people don't look like this!

I think Sungir man near the Volga river in Russia fit more with Finno-Ugric.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#135 Oct 6, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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What is aryan, is not nordic.
What is nordic, is not aryan.
What is indo, is not european.
What is european, is not indo.
Baltic finns and balts who used to be baltic finns are the most european of us all - and that is where the share of blonde blue-eyed people rose to the max.
True, well kind of.

Not all Indo-Europeans are Nordic or Nordic like & not all Nordics or Nordic like people are Indo-European either.

Even Iranid race is similar to Nordics but darker of course & not exactly Nordic but Iranid race has similarities to Nordics but aren't real Nordics.

Of course Iranids are Indo-Europeans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranid_race

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But, of course many Finno-Ugric people have Nordic phenotype.

Yes, Estonia & Finlnd certrainly have a strong element of a Nordic pheontoype in their population despite not being Indo-European.

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It is a bit of a gray area not so Black & White.

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But, generally Anthropologists agree that Nordics did not reach Sweden untill 3,000 -4,000 years ago with the arrival of Cordedware people out of Poland & Russia with R1a hapogroup bringing Nordic phenotype & Indo-European languages to Scandanavia.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#137 Oct 6, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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Haplogroup N was more successful among continental peoples.
Haplogroup I was more successful among maritime peoples.
When lithuanians became balts, they became more continental in lifestyle - the balto-slavic group was all mostly continental. Baltic finnic was more maritime - well, the western baltic finnic.
Yes, obviously I haplogroup was more successful amoung martime peoples than N haplogroup but N haplogroup seems to have been more successful amoung maritime people than R1a haplogroup.

R1a haplogroup is very much a continental haplogroup.

Why do you think Baltic sea region has more N haplogroup & less R1a haplogroup than areas further from the Baltic sea in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Belarus etc

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I think you could argue that perhaps R1b haplogroup was ultimately the most successfuly maritine haplogroup in Europe.

R1b haplogroup in the British Islands being very high, R1b being very high in Iberia & Basques along the coasts.

R1b being higher in Italy & Denmark than in Germay which of course both Italy & Denmark are more coastal maritime populations than Germany.

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It was R1b people who colonized the world on sea boats in the Imperial colonial era.

Although it is true that I1a people did discover America first.

Then, again maybe not.

R1a haplogroup & R1b haplogroup are both quite high in Norway.

So it is possible that soeme of these Vikings who went to the new world had R1a or R1b haplogroup.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#138 Oct 6, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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The "baltic finnic" hunter gatherers were genetically not much different from the "polish" peoples, especially the northern coastal "polish". They are still not much different, despite of the different share of N3.
North Poland is high R1a & low N haplogroup & low U5 haplogroup.

I don't see how anywhere in Poland has anymore than only a slight touch of Finno-Ugric.

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Gdansk Poland is 62% R1a haplogroup even higher than most cities of Poland exept Krakow whcih is 64% R1a haplogroup.

I can't find this statistic now it was hard to find but it showed Gdansk had 62% R1a & Krakow 64% R1a
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N haplogroup isn't high in Poland at all.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

It is Belarus where N haplogroup gets a bit higher amount.

According to this map N haplogroup seems to be as high in Poland as Germany.

It is close though perhaps Bailystok is where N haplogroup gets higher there perhaps not it is diffiuult for me to pinpoint exactly without the exact borders on this map.

I don't know I think this N haplogroup starts in Kalingrad, Belarus & Lithuania & skips Poland completely with Poland all being like Germany in N haplogroupo.

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U5a haplogroup map here is not high in Poland either.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

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I don't see how anywhere in Poland is Finno-Ugric beyond only a fringe population.

I mean the only Finno-Ugric genes Polish people are probably Polish Lithuanians who many were the result or mixed with Polonized Lithuanians.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#139 Oct 6, 2012
Kielbasa, get on the Caucasus topic.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#140 Oct 6, 2012
People in Northern Poland are much more East Baltic by phenotype like Baltic - Finno-Ugric peoples.

While Southern Poland is less East Baltic.

Southern Poland has less East Baltics & more Dinarics & Norics similar to the Balkan phenotypes BUT Polish Dinarics / Norics usually have rounder faces, longer eyes, higher cheek bones than Balkan or Italian or French Dinarics & look more like East Baltics.

Like I would say Andrew Golota the Polish boxer has Noric phenotype but also some Baltid phenotype

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Sothern Poland also has more Pontid phenotype which is closer to East Med which is more common in Ukraine.

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I think Northern Poland looks more East Baltic because Northern Poland is more European by genes than Southern Poland.

While Southern Poland mixed perhaps with more Balkan / Near East geneics than Northern Poland did.

I think East Baltic peoples are generally the more original Europeans.

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Heck I saw one phenotype map which showed only Northern Poland was full East Baltic & no where else in Europe was.

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So I am suspicious that perhaps Northern Poland is the most European by genetics maybe even more so than Lithuania.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#141 Oct 6, 2012
Off course, Poles are the whitest, smartes, strongest, best people ever.

Everyone compared to the Poles is a subhuman donkey.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#142 Oct 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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Sweden & Norway does have more R1a haplogroup than Greece does.
The Northern Mycenean & Macedonian regions of Greece have the most R1a in Greece.
That because modern greeks are gypsy goat herders and sun don't shine a lot in the North. Usually the folks at South are very dark. Some of pale complexion but not all. Most of the blondes in slavic countries, UK, Germany, South Europe and USA are bleached. Take a look at individuals like Arto Bryggare or Toni Kolehmainen. That is what a real blonde looks like. There are blondes with darker eye brows but not very often. It is easy to see that sunlight affects the appearance. It has nothing to do with haplogroups.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#144 Oct 6, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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Isn`t it obvious that Slavic people especially Russian are superior to Estonians?
Based on what metrics? Not according to PISA results.

Have you noticed that Russian russians achieved only the third place among countries taking the PISA test in russian language. Estonian russians were in first place and Latvian russians in second place. So Russia is not even able to properly teach russians. Needless to say that also estonians posted higher results than Russian russians. In fact, of all the Nordic and Baltic countries, Finland placed first and Estonia placed second.
Alexey25 wrote:
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Even Hungarians are superior. lol.
Um, not according to PISA results.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#145 Oct 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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I already stated before I believe the Sungir Cro Magnon near the Volga River looked more Finno-Ugric
While I believe the Kostenki Cro Magnon in Ukraine looked more Slavic.
You make the mistake of generalizing from single examples.
And whatever difference there was in appearance of the median of two populations, it was likely because of local environment and climate differences.
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Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
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Konstenki man Cro Magnon in Ukraine looked kind of Proto Slavic a bit like Vitali Klitschko.
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Finno-Ugric people don't look like this!
I think Sungir man near the Volga river in Russia fit more with Finno-Ugric.
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Finno-ugric people can look either way.
In fact, they DO look either way, even in Estonia.

Just look at these song videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

And as to the Sungir man, there is nothing in particular why he couldn't be an estonian. See for example Aleksandr Aberg:
http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Aberg
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#146 Oct 6, 2012
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
People in Northern Poland are much more East Baltic by phenotype like Baltic - Finno-Ugric peoples.
While Southern Poland is less East Baltic.
Yes, but that was already evident during the Swiderian times.
The first are lowland maritime peoples.
The others are continental mountineers.
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
I think Northern Poland looks more East Baltic because Northern Poland is more European by genes than Southern Poland.
Not just. It is also because of maritime culture and environment.
Halonen is Conan OBrien wrote:
Heck I saw one phenotype map which showed only Northern Poland was full East Baltic & no where else in Europe was.
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So I am suspicious that perhaps Northern Poland is the most European by genetics maybe even more so than Lithuania.
Perhaps not. But close anyway.
And the roots one has to look from the period of 17-10 000 years ago.

Since: Nov 09

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#147 Oct 6, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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Based on what metrics? Not according to PISA results.
Have you noticed that Russian russians achieved only the third place among countries taking the PISA test in russian language. Estonian russians were in first place and Latvian russians in second place. So Russia is not even able to properly teach russians. Needless to say that also estonians posted higher results than Russian russians. In fact, of all the Nordic and Baltic countries, Finland placed first and Estonia placed second.
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Um, not according to PISA results.
They were not Estonians they were aliens. lol.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#148 Oct 6, 2012
Jean Luc Picard from Star Trek TNG could easily pose as a Sungir man if he were to practice wrestling in his youth. No need to be finno-ugric.

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