Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 295 dead, 27 Australians on board

There are 1148 comments on the The Age story from Jul 17, 2014, titled Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 295 dead, 27 Australians on board. In it, The Age reports that:

London : A Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has been shot down in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine, claiming the lives of 295 passengers and crew.

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Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#621 Jul 24, 2014
SWG wrote:
What is fundamentally wrong with whatever side anyone is on is that what is lost is 298 people. INNOCENT people who had no side in any of this. Everyone here says this and that to make their own case as to who is to blame or not. NONE of that matters.
I think it matters SWG......the finger has been pointed from day 1 at the Ukraine seperatists and Russia by the whole global mainstream media.....As an American , how would you deal with a situation which showed clearly that the CIA , together with the Ukraine Government had collaborated to shoot down a civilian aircraft , and blame it on another country. If this ends up being the truth of the matter , you would have to agree that the American people have a right to demand better. Also , the Prime Minister of Australia may have put all Australians in a very precarious position....in fact all countries with any knowledge or involvement here should be fully exposed. The loss of 298 innocent people demands that it most certainly does matter.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#622 Jul 24, 2014
HasbhaRAT Trolls Biffers wrote:
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Sure, fix it.....[drivel deleted]
[ "Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 295 dead, 27 Australians on board" ]

Feel free to be relevant.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#624 Jul 24, 2014
SWG wrote:
What is fundamentally wrong with whatever side anyone is on is that what is lost is 298 people. INNOCENT people who had no side in any of this. Everyone here says this and that to make their own case as to who is to blame or not. NONE of that matters. There are 300 people dead and all anyone cares about is placing blame! How stupid is that? From all that I've read there is more than enough blame to go around on ALL sides. From the beginning. The whole thing could have been avoided, but no one cares as long as they can cast "BLAME" on the other, do they? Tell me and show me I'm wrong. ALL of you no matter what side could care less that, for the most part, 298 people were going on a vacation to have fun and they were MURDERED! Blown out of the sky like someone taking a fly out with a swatter. This means nothing to you people? REALLY???? Just blame? What the hell is wrong with you people? Show a little respect for the INNOCENT dead!!! GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TF...
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#625 Jul 24, 2014
SWG wrote:
What is fundamentally wrong with whatever side anyone is on is that what is lost is 298 people. INNOCENT people who had no side in any of this. Everyone here says this and that to make their own case as to who is to blame or not. NONE of that matters. There are 300 people dead and all anyone cares about is placing blame! How stupid is that? From all that I've read there is more than enough blame to go around on ALL sides. From the beginning. The whole thing could have been avoided, but no one cares as long as they can cast "BLAME" on the other, do they? Tell me and show me I'm wrong.
You are wrong.
Pointing out the guilty takes us closer to avoiding such tragic events in the present and future.

In June 1940, soviets shot down an airplane Kaleva en route from Tallinn to Helsinki.
http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleva_ (lennuk)

At the same day soviet occupants carried out the first wave of deportations, by deporting 1% of Estonia's population.

Such events can't be avoided in the future before the rest of the world develops a coherent understanding of the vicious nature of Kremlin derzhavist mindset. And that is why blaming should be very much part of the process.

People die on the ground and in the air through the hands of Kremlin foreign interventionalists every day.
MH17 CIA shoot down

Sydney, Australia

#626 Jul 24, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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You are wrong.
Pointing out the guilty takes us closer to avoiding such tragic events in the present and future.
In June 1940, soviets shot down an airplane Kaleva en route from Tallinn to Helsinki.
http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleva_ (lennuk)
At the same day soviet occupants carried out the first wave of deportations, by deporting 1% of Estonia's population.
Such events can't be avoided in the future before the rest of the world develops a coherent understanding of the vicious nature of Kremlin derzhavist mindset. And that is why blaming should be very much part of the process.
People die on the ground and in the air through the hands of Kremlin foreign interventionalists every day.
A far lot more have died on the ground and air through the hands of the Washington foreign interventionalists.
When are you going to accept what is now mainstream news in facts and evidence that shows the USA CIA & Ukraine despot facists shot down this plane and deliberately murdered nearly 300 people ?
Are you going to apologise to the Russian people for you false slurs ?
Are you going to think badly of the USA CIA and Ukraine once it's proved they did it and it was 'no accident by the Ukraine' as the USA now claims in their back peddling ?
I don't think so. You don't have any objectivity or logic to assess the facts.
You just mindlessly bleat on about how the Russians are bad & must have done it because you haven't anything else to contribute.
Get with the news & facts - it was a CIA Ukraine deliberate shootdown and not Russia or Russian freedom fighters at all.
MH17 CIA shoot down

Sydney, Australia

#627 Jul 24, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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[ "Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine, 295 dead, 27 Australians on board" ]
Feel free to be relevant.
Only 1 USA citizen on the plane.
They had a choice of 4 at the time to shoot down.
Why mh17 was selected ?
Nearly two thirds Dutch EU citizens.

The USA CIA & Ukraine govt wanted to murder as many EU citizens as possible
to provoke EU outrage & Gasprom sanctions - to allow USA & Qatar to be energy gas supplier to Western Europe.

(Trade deal signed in feb but Russian piped gas price is too low to be economic for Qatar & USA to compete in shipped gas - hence the need for this event to apply sanctions).

Relevance.
USA CIA & Ukraine were quite happy to murder 27 Australians also - knowing that Abbott could be relied on to yap away in tune to the CIA 'wag the dog' whistle in how they manufacture these events.

Think about that - CIA and Ukraine deliberately murdering near 300 people of eu & aust etc origin - knowing then how they would 'play' the reaction & confected outrage.

But they got sprung. All the evidence is spilling out. USA state dept admitted today that is was an 'accidental (Ukraine) shoot down.

Think about the callous inhumanity of this murder by the USA CIA & Ukraine and what they think of Australians.
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#628 Jul 24, 2014
MH17 CIA shoot down wrote:
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Are you going to apologise to the Russian people for you false slurs ?
You choose your words very poorly. These far too often events that affect our lives are the product of those in power , and the games they play with our world . Facts show clearly , IMO , that neither Russia nor the Ukraine seperatists shot this plane down.....and all available evidence is pointing squarely at the Ukraine government and those who support them. Any conspiracy theorists that think it's Christmas , or theyve won lotto should be buried alive and forgotten , so we can get back to dealing with facts , and not the obsessions of ratbags. Countries and their people don't want to fight wars for bad , unnecssary reasons , created by faceless men who seek wealth and power. This is far from over . If this event can be dissected with enough transparency to expose the truth, warts and all , it could trigger a global purge of the corruption that exists when politics intertwines with corporate greed......too many people have suffered for far too long....293 innocent people murdered........meanwhile , the death toll in Gaza reaches 700 , mostly women and children.
PROUD TO BE SERB

Adelaide, Australia

#629 Jul 24, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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I bet you have a cute bottom. Let's meet for some get down, funky times.
Well Well you a one of them. LooooooL.
The OZ LOVE the wogs!!! When you going to. Dr. What is righting in the car park?

Park at rear enter from behind. Lol.
What a F**K nice Language ;))
Uncle Bluey

Alexandria, Australia

#630 Jul 24, 2014
Deano wrote:
You can't really blame Malaysian airlines for this. there were dozens of international planes in the area. Imagine the uproar here if it had been a Qantas plane. Let's hope whoever did this gets their arses well and truly kicked.
They won't get the Russian missile shooter anyway! They can't even get people on the crash site to investigate the crash and find/recover the missing body parts. The realality is that they will maybe find a few more body parts/bodies and any missing bodies from then it will be blamed as lost due to the explosion (liquidated) or become food for wild dogs/wolves and never be found. The sunflower crop on TV where bodies were found will have many bodies in it which will not be found until the crop is harvested in 2-3 months time. Maybe with cadaver dogs they could find more but I think it will be a very difficult job.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#631 Jul 24, 2014
PROUD TO BE SERB wrote:
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Well Well you a one of them. LooooooL.
The OZ LOVE the wogs!!! When you going to. Dr. What is righting in the car park?
Park at rear enter from behind. Lol.
What a F**K nice Language ;))
You are replying to a bottom feeder who is an impostor.

Be careful you don't get sucked in.
Fatboy

Hallstahammar, Sweden

#632 Jul 24, 2014
MH17 full Carlos log wrote:
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Ha - well your wrong on Carlos, and much else.
Unfortunately twitter is real time and easily logged by someone else : even when the account is later manipulated & deleted.
Here is the evidence that Carlos did exist, who he was, his credentials, his photo and his previous tweets as to his job and role.
The full log is in the link of his real time tweets that the CIA & Ukraine ministry had jets tailing mh17 and then deliberately shot down the plane.
Look at the logs and date: times - how did this get on twitter in real time unless he was who he was ?
All the Twitter feed logs are there and in real time.
The coverup it's out of London has not been confirmed : just spurious damage control - the actual logs capture show the real content / in Spanish & also in English translation.
A link - take care to read it and get your fat slow head up to date.
https://m.facebook.com/notes/mykolas-alutis/t...
Hehehe you Conspiracy NUTTERS are priceless!
Replying with a link to Russia Today were the myth of Carlos was created? HILLARIOUS!:o)

Could you please tell your superiors to correct this.....
Fatboy update wrote:
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"tweets by Spanish Air traffic controller at Kiev Airport."
-This is just a fraction of the evidence now emerging.
You see....Ukraine is divided into 4 Air Traffic Service areas (Kiev, Lviv, Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk)
When those Pro-Russian Airheads shot down mh17 (by mistake) mh17 was informed by ATCs in Dnipropetrovsk and was not that far to enter the airspace of Rostov-on-Don Russia so unless "Carlos" has a twin brother working in Dnipropetrovsk......
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#633 Jul 24, 2014
MH17 CIA shoot down wrote:
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A far lot more have died on the ground and air through the hands of the Washington foreign interventionalists.
Not in Ukraine.
MH17 CIA shoot down wrote:
<quoted text>
When are you going to accept what is now mainstream news in facts and evidence that shows the USA CIA & Ukraine despot facists shot down this plane and deliberately murdered nearly 300 people ?
There is no such evidence. At least not so far.
But there is enough evidence that Kremlin foreign interventionalists shot down the passanger plane. One of the "separatist" leaders even admitted that in the last 24 hours.
MH17 CIA shoot down wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you going to apologise to the Russian people for you false slurs ?
Are you going to apologise to your wife for continually beating her?

You don't have any objectivity or logic to assess the facts.

You just mindlessly bleat on about how the USA and EU and Ukraine are bad & must have done it because you haven't anything else to contribute.

Get with the news & facts - it was a Kremlin gremlin deliberate shootdown and not Ukraine or USA at all.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#634 Jul 24, 2014
MH17 CIA shoot down wrote:
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All the evidence is spilling out. USA state dept admitted today that is was an 'accidental (Ukraine) shoot down.
You are not fooling anyone with your constant lying.
US state department have announced that the Kremlin backed "separatists" shot down the passanger plane and that that might have been accidental.

Think about the callous inhumanity of this murder by the Kremlin gremlins and what they think of dutch.
CIA Ukraine guilty

Merrylands, Australia

#635 Jul 24, 2014
Only 1 USA citizen on the plane.
They had a choice of 4 in the area at the time to shoot down.

Why mh17 was selected ?

Nearly two thirds Dutch EU citizens.

The USA CIA & Ukraine govt wanted to murder as many EU citizens as possible
to provoke EU outrage & Gasprom sanctions - to allow USA & Qatar to be energy gas supplier to Western Europe.

(Trade deal signed in feb but Russian piped gas price is too low to be economic for Qatar & USA to compete in shipped gas - hence the need for this event to apply sanctions).

Relevance.

USA CIA & Ukraine were quite happy to murder 27 Australians also - knowing that Abbott could be relied on to yap away in tune to the CIA 'wag the dog' whistle in how they manufacture these events.

Think about that - CIA and Ukraine deliberately murdering near 300 people of eu & aust etc origin - knowing then how they would 'play' the reaction & confected outrage.

But they got sprung.

Alll the evidence is spilling out.
-> Correction.
The USA state dept admitted today that is was an 'accidental (to be setting the scene that it was Ukraine shoot down).

Think about the callous inhumanity of this murder by the USA CIA & Ukraine, and what they think of Australians.

Are you going to protest about this ?
Or is if ok - if the CIA & Ukraine do it 'accidentally' then hey - that's ok..

This is the double standard you are now being conditioned into.
Fatboy wrong again

Merrylands, Australia

#636 Jul 24, 2014
Fatboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Hehehe you Conspiracy NUTTERS are priceless!
Replying with a link to Russia Today were the myth of Carlos was created? HILLARIOUS!:o)
Could you please tell your superiors to correct this.....
<quoted text>
You see....Ukraine is divided into 4 Air Traffic Service areas (Kiev, Lviv, Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk)
When those Pro-Russian Airheads shot down mh17 (by mistake) mh17 was informed by ATCs in Dnipropetrovsk and was not that far to enter the airspace of Rostov-on-Don Russia so unless "Carlos" has a twin brother working in Dnipropetrovsk......
Your going to look really stupid when Carlos is there on TV or youtube and tells his story. There is too much real time evidence and captured logs of what Carlos tweeted in real time as it happened.
Your also grasping at straws re the regional sectors of atc - it clearly states he was in the central control tower observing the events - whether this sector of that is immaterial.
The storming of the tower and seizing of radar records was all filmed and is on youtube and many other sources.
- the reality of facts is about to overwhelm your incorrect perceptions.
Read the dozens of sources of his twitter feed : not selectively quote one that just restates it or make up nonsense to deny it.

Give up Fatboy - tap out - your wrong and look stupid trying to excuse it.
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#637 Jul 24, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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You don't have any objectivity or logic to assess the facts.
If all the available facts were considered objectively , using logic , it would appear that Ukraine seperatists did not shoot down this plane .
Viktor

Ukraine

#638 Jul 24, 2014
I am Ukrainian. Now we have a war going on, and everybody knows about it. About the downed plane can say one thing, this thing separatists (pro-Russian activists). Immediately after the crash of the Boeing chief Russian sepparatist Gunmen on social networks in the Donbas wrote: "Another bird fell, I told you that you should not fly here." Next were published record of negotiations between the separatrices, where they discussed what brought down the plane, and rejoiced Ukr this. Half an hour later, they learned that it was a Passenger plane, they began to say that vynovaty themselves, they say that fly over the territory of Novorossiisk, as there are hostilities. Immediately in the social network has been deleted message Strelkova. The next day was recorded on the camcorder as complex "BUK" which probably knocked and Boeing, has been taken across the border into Russia. There are also direct evidence that the Russian territory were shelling Ukr military "Grad". So pray for us. And peace to my country!
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#639 Jul 24, 2014
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>If all the available facts were considered objectively , using logic , it would appear that Ukraine seperatists did not shoot down this plane .
Not so.
But of course that would depend on the definition of "Ukraine separatists" and "logic" and "available" and "facts" and "objectively".
Apology needed

Merrylands, Australia

#640 Jul 24, 2014
tarmo wrote:
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Not in Ukraine.
<quoted text>
There is no such evidence. At least not so far.
But there is enough evidence that Kremlin foreign interventionalists shot down the passanger plane. One of the "separatist" leaders even admitted that in the last 24 hours.
<quoted text>
Are you going to apologise to your wife for continually beating her?
You don't have any objectivity or logic to assess the facts.
You just mindlessly bleat on about how the USA and EU and Ukraine are bad & must have done it because you haven't anything else to contribute.
Get with the news & facts - it was a Kremlin gremlin deliberate shootdown and not Ukraine or USA at all.
If you knew the Ukraine you would know both the west as Nazi's and Russians and Allies (giving false hope to the White Russians) killed tens of millions of Ukraine / Slav people.
Today it continues.
Ukraine today is the Cambodia or Laos of 1960/1970 - a dirty secret full on war being waged with CIA funding & support of an openly fascist regime of proven corrupt gangsters and warlords.
Each of these Ukraine warlords with their own mercenaries and Militia and also with BUK missile launchers.
Only the Ukraine militias and base have BUK missile launchers in the area of the shoot down.
The tracing has even identified the Ukraine base, the militia and the chain of command given to the Ukraine forces to shoot down mh17.
Now we see it is being positioned as 'accidental'
oh,, so 'Putin and the kremlin as mass murderers' as you stated -- didn't actually order it shot done after all..
And so what's happening - the USA state dept are setting the scene to admit not only was it 'accidental but also btw it was actually Ukraine.
No one in Russia had no Russian freedom fighter had any motivation to shoot down this plane.
The CIA & Ukraine had every motivation.
Go look at all your froth and hatred of Russia on this thread blaming the Russians with no evidence at all.
So it's fair to say you had no objectivity or logic. You should apologise to the Russian people you defamed, and think more carefully next time.
Viktor

Ukraine

#641 Jul 24, 2014
Apology needed wrote:
<quoted text>
If you knew the Ukraine you would know both the west as Nazi's and Russians and Allies (giving false hope to the White Russians) killed tens of millions of Ukraine / Slav people.
Today it continues.
Ukraine today is the Cambodia or Laos of 1960/1970 - a dirty secret full on war being waged with CIA funding & support of an openly fascist regime of proven corrupt gangsters and warlords.
Each of these Ukraine warlords with their own mercenaries and Militia and also with BUK missile launchers.
Only the Ukraine militias and base have BUK missile launchers in the area of the shoot down.
The tracing has even identified the Ukraine base, the militia and the chain of command given to the Ukraine forces to shoot down mh17.
Now we see it is being positioned as 'accidental'
oh,, so 'Putin and the kremlin as mass murderers' as you stated -- didn't actually order it shot done after all..
And so what's happening - the USA state dept are setting the scene to admit not only was it 'accidental but also btw it was actually Ukraine.
No one in Russia had no Russian freedom fighter had any motivation to shoot down this plane.
The CIA & Ukraine had every motivation.
Go look at all your froth and hatred of Russia on this thread blaming the Russians with no evidence at all.
So it's fair to say you had no objectivity or logic. You should apologise to the Russian people you defamed, and think more carefully next time.
You do not live here and do not see what's going on. Near the border with Russia Izvarino wholly owned by the separatists, military equipment from Russia calls in every day freely. Already a bunch of video yutyube where the defeated or withdrawn technology with Russia, in Ukraine which had never been. Beech was brought from Russia, and also other APCs, tanks, which in Ukraine have never seen with Russian documents. You understand that we live with it, but we even our relatives with Russia do not believe, as their only media lie.

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