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#42 Mar 1, 2013
uther pendragon wrote:
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No need to go to Saudi Arabia. The Saudi oil lobby has already bought and paid for both the Democrats and Republicans in Washington. It is no surprise that the radical Saudi monarchy's enemies in the Middle East are targeted and toppled one by one.
From Hussein to Assad to Ahmedinejad...
The US gets most of it's oil from Canada.

See a dark conspiracy there?

Oil is a commodity. Somebody wants to sell it. Somebody else want to buy it. A simple business deal.

Europe is FAR more dependent upon Mideastern and North African oil than the USA.

By the middle of the next decade (an possibly sooner) the US will not need to purchase oil from the mideast.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#43 Mar 1, 2013
Well, America does not have even an empty gun pointed at Russia, so there is no reason to point a loaded gun at us. That would not be very neighborly. Russia has only 139 million people, after all, and of America's population of 315 million Americans have 100 million personal firearms in their personal possession. Of course, many have multiple firearms, too.

As for the Russia's government, they would be better off not pointing firearms at the USA and West. With Russia's population at 139 million, and the US at 315 million, plus the millions of our allies, it would seem that it is not the old soviet times that the old soviet fool Robespierre continues to think excists.
Of course, the wrinkled old walrus face is just embittered because he was not permitted visa to live in the USA because of his war crime history.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#44 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The US gets most of it's oil from Canada.
See a dark conspiracy there?
Oil is a commodity. Somebody wants to sell it. Somebody else want to buy it. A simple business deal.
Europe is FAR more dependent upon Mideastern and North African oil than the USA.
By the middle of the next decade (an possibly sooner) the US will not need to purchase oil from the mideast.
The USA has already started to sell some suplus to foreign markets.

Since: Mar 09

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#45 Mar 1, 2013
Small Town America UGX wrote:
Well, America does not have even an empty gun pointed at Russia, so there is no reason to point a loaded gun at us. That would not be very neighborly. Russia has only 139 million people, after all, and of America's population of 315 million Americans have 100 million personal firearms in their personal possession. Of course, many have multiple firearms, too.
As for the Russia's government, they would be better off not pointing firearms at the USA and West. With Russia's population at 139 million, and the US at 315 million, plus the millions of our allies, it would seem that it is not the old soviet times that the old soviet fool Robespierre continues to think excists.
Of course, the wrinkled old walrus face is just embittered because he was not permitted visa to live in the USA because of his war crime history.
The Russian decreasing population is actually an economic asset. Unlike the USA, it can advance in robotic manufacturing and computer controlled automation to make up any population "deficiencies" without displacing people's livelihoods. Individual labor in many areas becomes MORE valuable.

It is always a good thing when individual lives become more valuable.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#46 Mar 1, 2013
The USSR is gone, buried! What is now is what it is. There is no "Loaded gun" pointed at the USA. Even if there was there would that could be done about it on the Russian Federations part. They have no means to move enough troops to make a difference. It is now about political power, nothing more. Think of all these things as a cat. The cat loves you, you feed it and when it is not to their liking then do not turn but yet go into a different direction to get what they want. Has nothing to do with you as the caretaker and they don't turn they just move to what is better for them. Politics is no different.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#47 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The Russian decreasing population is actually an economic asset. Unlike the USA, it can advance in robotic manufacturing and computer controlled automation to make up any population "deficiencies" without displacing people's livelihoods. Individual labor in many areas becomes MORE valuable.
It is always a good thing when individual lives become more valuable.
Do you have ANY idea of what you are talking about? Steel mills in Russia AND Ukraine are pulling raw steel BY HAND!!!! How is that a technology advantage? Robotics? Really? Most cars in the US are built by this but not in the East. Spin as you want but unless you have been and worked there you are nothing but a troll!
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#48 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The Russian decreasing population is actually an economic asset. Unlike the USA, it can advance in robotic manufacturing and computer controlled automation to make up any population "deficiencies" without displacing people's livelihoods. Individual labor in many areas becomes MORE valuable.
It is always a good thing when individual lives become more valuable.
I can not argue with that. In principle it sounds good. However, the reality is in Russia, It is a total capitalist/dictatorship country without a moral or high standard of principles. The sole goal of Russian industries is only to make money. Of course, this means corruption as well. Worker rights and good, livable wages are not the concern. Nor are expensive safety features or practices. If robotic equipment is used, the people will be displaced without any concern or compensation by the industry which they work.
For all intent and purpose, workers do not have much protection, it is everyone for themselves. Currently, it seems that individual lives are not considered of much value.
If they complain, they are fired.
For your idea to work, Russia needs to start from the bottom up to change things, with more concentration and focus on the people and workers first. What better incentive for a worker than to work in a worker friendly envionment, have good wages, and upward job mobility and pay. And good retirement opportunities. A happy worker produces quality products with pride. Pride is a missing link in Russia, other than Pride of country in general, not neceesary pride in government or their living standards and poor quality of life.

Since: Mar 09

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#49 Mar 1, 2013
SWG wrote:
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Do you have ANY idea of what you are talking about? Steel mills in Russia AND Ukraine are pulling raw steel BY HAND!!!! How is that a technology advantage? Robotics? Really? Most cars in the US are built by this but not in the East. Spin as you want but unless you have been and worked there you are nothing but a troll!
This is a direction they CAN go quite easily.

In the USA, when a company goes robotic in it's manufacturing thousands of people lose their livelihoods. Far fewer people are needed to make and maintain the necessary robotics than the number of workers they render useless.

When computerization expedites accounting and other business function, thousands of secretaries and other related clerical workers become useless.

When digital cameras and computer printers became good enough, thousands of photographers, photo processing shops, print shops and copy shops went out of business.

In a very few years, many airplane pilots will not have work because cargo planes will be drones, controlled from a central location and only needing supervision on takeoff and landing. What will these men and women do when they become unnecessary?

This is behind much of the USA's economic troubles, worsened by the relocation of manufacturing offshore. Thousands more unemployed, with NO work to transition too.

Our technology has made such a large population into an unemployment problem rather than a asset.

Russia need not have the same problem. A declining population, if handled properly, IS an asset.

The Russian mig uses computer controlled hydraulics and computer management of a great many systems. So do it's rockets, etc.. Russia knows how.

It needs VISION.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#50 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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This is a direction they CAN go quite easily.
In the USA, when a company goes robotic in it's manufacturing thousands of people lose their livelihoods. Far fewer people are needed to make and maintain the necessary robotics than the number of workers they render useless.
When computerization expedites accounting and other business function, thousands of secretaries and other related clerical workers become useless.
When digital cameras and computer printers became good enough, thousands of photographers, photo processing shops, print shops and copy shops went out of business.
In a very few years, many airplane pilots will not have work because cargo planes will be drones, controlled from a central location and only needing supervision on takeoff and landing. What will these men and women do when they become unnecessary?
This is behind much of the USA's economic troubles, worsened by the relocation of manufacturing offshore. Thousands more unemployed, with NO work to transition too.
Our technology has made such a large population into an unemployment problem rather than a asset.
Russia need not have the same problem. A declining population, if handled properly, IS an asset.
The Russian mig uses computer controlled hydraulics and computer management of a great many systems. So do it's rockets, etc.. Russia knows how.
It needs VISION.
What you are saying makes no sense at all. On one hand you say that because of robotics Americans are losing jobs but on the the other you say Russia should do the same! Does this not mean that Russian workers would also lose their jobs? Make up your mind or find a better argument to make because on this you lose! Unless of course you are simply trying to stir the pot, that would be the logical assumption.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#51 Mar 1, 2013
Small Town America UGX wrote:
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I can not argue with that. In principle it sounds good. However, the reality is in Russia, It is a total capitalist/dictatorship country without a moral or high standard of principles. The sole goal of Russian industries is only to make money. Of course, this means corruption as well. Worker rights and good, livable wages are not the concern. Nor are expensive safety features or practices. If robotic equipment is used, the people will be displaced without any concern or compensation by the industry which they work.
For all intent and purpose, workers do not have much protection, it is everyone for themselves. Currently, it seems that individual lives are not considered of much value.
If they complain, they are fired.
For your idea to work, Russia needs to start from the bottom up to change things, with more concentration and focus on the people and workers first. What better incentive for a worker than to work in a worker friendly envionment, have good wages, and upward job mobility and pay. And good retirement opportunities. A happy worker produces quality products with pride. Pride is a missing link in Russia, other than Pride of country in general, not neceesary pride in government or their living standards and poor quality of life.
I understand, and agree with most of it.

Bottom up? Definitely.

I wouldn't say "pride" which is usually an unreal view of one's self. Rather, I would say "self-esteem" which derives from a series of small successes.

Here in the USA, and in Japan I hear, children PLAY with robotics at home and in school. Robotics kits are for sale as toys. If interest catches fire, it is then the job of the parents to encourage such things.

I built my first robotic arm with scrap materials from a junk pile and some leftover electric motors.

Play. Dream. Play some more. Envision. Build. Creativity is supposed to be FUN.

My last project was a copy of the smallest twin engine airplane ever flown. It was designed by a French aeronautical engineer who worked on the Mirage fighter and the Concorde. Having helped to build the largest supersonic aircraft, he wondered what was the smallest aircraft he could design. The engines are modified chainsaw engines. It is rated as fully aerobatic.



I take mine up at least once a week.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#52 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
The Russian decreasing population is actually an economic asset. Unlike the USA, it can advance in robotic manufacturing and computer controlled automation to make up any population "deficiencies" without displacing people's livelihoods. Individual labor in many areas becomes MORE valuable.
It is always a good thing when individual lives become more valuable.
Russia's decreasing population means a decreasing work force. A decreasing work force replaced by robotics has no bearing on this decrease. The population will continue to decrease, unless a change of mindset goes from dictatorship to a government from the bottom up and a working democratic principle of freedom and the emphasis on Russia's people FIRST and raising their quality of life, providing self-motivation, etc.
I also agree with SWG. Our industries are all robotic in general, with trained workers doing necessary supplemental work. Robots and humans working side by side and producing products by the thousands per minute, which are packed, packaged and placed on pallets ready for instant delivery to markets everywhere. Truly amazing. And, the majority of these workers have been on the job for several years, making a living wage, upward mobility, etc.
ASIAN LATIN AFRO MID EAST

United States

#53 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
The US gets most of it's oil from Canada.
See a dark conspiracy there?
Oil is a commodity. Somebody wants to sell it. Somebody else want to buy it. A simple business deal.
Europe is FAR more dependent upon Mideastern and North African oil than the USA.
By the middle of the next decade (an possibly sooner) the US will not need to purchase oil from the mideast.
Not feasible financially! US WARMONGERs/wAR-OIL/FOR -pROFITEERS PLUNDERS THE Mid East FOR pETRO...
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#54 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand, and agree with most of it.
Bottom up? Definitely.
I wouldn't say "pride" which is usually an unreal view of one's self. Rather, I would say "self-esteem" which derives from a series of small successes.
Here in the USA, and in Japan I hear, children PLAY with robotics at home and in school. Robotics kits are for sale as toys. If interest catches fire, it is then the job of the parents to encourage such things.
I built my first robotic arm with scrap materials from a junk pile and some leftover electric motors.
Play. Dream. Play some more. Envision. Build. Creativity is supposed to be FUN.
My last project was a copy of the smallest twin engine airplane ever flown. It was designed by a French aeronautical engineer who worked on the Mirage fighter and the Concorde. Having helped to build the largest supersonic aircraft, he wondered what was the smallest aircraft he could design. The engines are modified chainsaw engines. It is rated as fully aerobatic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gLfNplcSC1UXX
I take mine up at least once a week.
Self-esteem is a good word. I will agree with that versus my Pride. Yours is a better description. But, after you built your "project", based on your self-esteem and the confidence you derived from it, you now are proud of your achievemnt. Right?.
So, self-esteem is a great thing to have. As an example, my self-esteem (as you define it) allows me to landscape my property and plant my flower and veggie gardens with my plan. And believe me, when everything is completed to what I planned it to be, I have a lot of pride in the end results and accomplishment. Creating something from an idea, the hard work involved to develop it, and then the successful end of the project. All equals Pride and self-satisfaction in yourself. Such is what Russians need and most want. Dreams can come true. But their present authoritarian government and mindset caused by their being "shackled" for so long, must change first. And hard work towards a goal of freedom, etc. would take a lot of hard work and dedication. But, the results and rewards are there to be had.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#55 Mar 1, 2013
Making something beautiful and fun out of old oil drums. Essentially garbage....



I prefer paint to chrome. It's cheaper. I also used tuning forks instead of an expensive strobe tuner. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

And from scrap wood and scrap tubing ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

You can use expensive tonewoods, but any clear, straight grain pieces of hardwood will do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Mine cost me less than $50, because I salvaged materials. Sounds just as well as his.

These kids spent not much more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

FUN. Imagination. More fun.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#56 Mar 1, 2013
Small Town America UGX wrote:
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Self-esteem is a good word. I will agree with that versus my Pride. Yours is a better description. But, after you built your "project", based on your self-esteem and the confidence you derived from it, you now are proud of your achievemnt. Right?.
So, self-esteem is a great thing to have. As an example, my self-esteem (as you define it) allows me to landscape my property and plant my flower and veggie gardens with my plan. And believe me, when everything is completed to what I planned it to be, I have a lot of pride in the end results and accomplishment. Creating something from an idea, the hard work involved to develop it, and then the successful end of the project. All equals Pride and self-satisfaction in yourself. Such is what Russians need and most want. Dreams can come true. But their present authoritarian government and mindset caused by their being "shackled" for so long, must change first. And hard work towards a goal of freedom, etc. would take a lot of hard work and dedication. But, the results and rewards are there to be had.
They must start with individual self-esteem. The rest comes from no place else.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#57 Mar 1, 2013
ASIAN LATIN AFRO MID EAST wrote:
<quoted text>Not feasible financially! US WARMONGERs/wAR-OIL/FOR -pROFITEERS PLUNDERS THE Mid East FOR pETRO...
haha! The ignorant trolling again. The USA does not get oil from the middle east. Obviously, you are not posting from the USA, and just as obvious is your lack of comprehensible English. Probably an Iranian or other islamist fruitcake. You need some "Petro" lubricating oil to fix those rusty nerve endings inside your brain. Ain't working so well, Muhhamad.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#58 Mar 1, 2013
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are saying makes no sense at all. On one hand you say that because of robotics Americans are losing jobs but on the the other you say Russia should do the same! Does this not mean that Russian workers would also lose their jobs? Make up your mind or find a better argument to make because on this you lose! Unless of course you are simply trying to stir the pot, that would be the logical assumption.
It's because we have far far far more people than actual necessary jobs for them to do.(At our current level of computerization and automation we really need about 100 million fewer citizens for full employment. lol) Russia is struggling to fill jobs. Reduce the workload.

There really is a "golden proportion".

Think about it a while.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#59 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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They must start with individual self-esteem. The rest comes from no place else.
Building up self-esteem in Russia is not an easy task. They have limited personal control over themselves, and many things currently that prevents such building blocks that result in personal self-esteem. The recent protests and demonstrations, however, could provide some self-esteem , but that is a collective effort and not a personal one.
I do not think you have been to Russia to see what they are up against.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#60 Mar 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
It's because we have far far far more people than actual necessary jobs for them to do.(At our current level of computerization and automation we really need about 100 million fewer citizens for full employment. lol) Russia is struggling to fill jobs. Reduce the workload.
There really is a "golden proportion".
Think about it a while.
I have. But still, in russia the population is declining, and it will continue to do as it currently is as noted in my post.
I disagree with our population reduction. Americans are always inventing new products that require new factories and new work forces. It is called social and technical evolution (my term).
AND, we can not exterminate people or eat them, as that is unethical. LOL. But we could reduce non-productive illegals, and put those chronic welfare people on buses each day to farms to work, which farmers could offer fair wages, of which could be supplemented by government to provide a living wage. It would be cheaper than a total welfare hand-out and could increase food production, etc. Those who are too lazy would be kicked out of the work program and off the welfare roles. These fools would bear their own responsibily to survive. Which would probably be crime. Which is what they are probably involved in now, while collecting their welfare checks and other free benefits.
But the the issue is Russia's problems, and they are real and serious.
ASIAN LATIN AFRO MID EAST

United States

#61 Mar 1, 2013
Small Town America UGX wrote:
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haha! The ignorant trolling again. The USA does not get oil from the middle east. Obviously, you are not posting from the USA, and just as obvious is your lack of comprehensible English. Probably an Iranian or other islamist fruitcake. You need some "Petro" lubricating oil to fix those rusty nerve endings inside your brain. Ain't working so well, Muhhamad.
I DON'T TROLL mtf! Another Obnoxious ignorant ignorANUS ignoramus in our presence.

U.S. State Department, 1945
"Middle East oil is a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history.

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