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Toro

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Apr 2, 2012
 

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Are Turks and Russians really oldest friends and oldest enemies? Do Russian people really love Turks? and why Turks are getting closer to thier big neighbour and getting away from the US in every occasion?
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Toro wrote:
Are Turks and Russians really oldest friends and oldest enemies? Do Russian people really love Turks? and why Turks are getting closer to thier big neighbour and getting away from the US in every occasion?
Turks? Turks are moslems and so they hate Christians - so how can they be friendly to Russians?- Quran foirbids moslems to take Christians as friends - Russians have no such forbidden things- so Russians treat Turks normally, but Turks consider Russians as Kafirs (which by the way is contrary to the Quran which claim people of the Book to be not kafirs and will get their reward (Salvation) from the God /Quran 5:69, and 2:62)
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

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Apr 2, 2012
 
Lets put it this way serb turd. In the nineties they sent 50 000 troops to Chechnya but didn't give a pukes butt about your pig sty so you do the math.
Toro

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Apr 2, 2012
 
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
Lets put it this way serb turd. In the nineties they sent 50 000 troops to Chechnya but didn't give a pukes butt about your pig sty so you do the math.
Ja sam Srbin.
and I cannot understand anything from your stupid language. maybe you shoul go to school before writing here posts.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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People say, luky´s tongue is at higher level for common folks to understand.
Therefore, may I suggest to get some turkey kebab & have a party instead ?
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

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Apr 2, 2012
 
Toro wrote:
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Ja sam Srbin.
and I cannot understand anything from your stupid language. maybe you shoul go to school before writing here posts.
Than you probably sniff too much cocaine your pal delivered from Ukrainka.
Toro

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Apr 2, 2012
 
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
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Than you probably sniff too much cocaine your pal delivered from Ukrainka.
or I probably f@cked your mama too much and all my blood is still in my dck

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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Apr 2, 2012
 
What are you on, my little Serbian pecker ?
Toro

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Apr 2, 2012
 
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What are you on, my little Serbian pecker ?
I am on your mama.

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Apr 2, 2012
 
If you continue your dribble, I gonna send Shqiptares after you.
They have many special ways to deal with you Serbs, I read.
Toro

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Apr 2, 2012
 
Pesky army wrote:
If you continue your dribble, I gonna send Shqiptares after you.
They have many special ways to deal with you Serbs, I read.
and I will send thze germanz on you.(your mam can go on staying under me)

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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Apr 2, 2012
 
Are you one of those Serbian peasants ?
An uneducated pecker collectors ?
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Pesky army wrote:
Are you one of those Serbian peasants ?
An uneducated pecker collectors ?
I might be your biological father. ask to mama!
shablon

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hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>Turks? Turks are moslems and so they hate Christians - so how can they be friendly to Russians?- Quran foirbids moslems to take Christians as friends - Russians have no such forbidden things- so Russians treat Turks normally, but Turks consider Russians as Kafirs (which by the way is contrary to the Quran which claim people of the Book to be not kafirs and will get their reward (Salvation) from the God /Quran 5:69, and 2:62)
Are you sure you are sane, or you just make lies as you go along. Nothing what you have mentioned is true, you took the Quran quotes out of context. If you do not know how to read ask someone to read Quran to you.

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Apr 28, 2012
 
Toro wrote:
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or I probably f@cked your mama too much and all my blood is still in my dck
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Do you not have any decorum at all???

Romanov.
hmmmm

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shablon wrote:
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Are you sure you are sane, or you just make lies as you go along. Nothing what you have mentioned is true, you took the Quran quotes out of context. If you do not know how to read ask someone to read Quran to you.
are you Al-Queda memer? Listen to my order, you !!!- come back here with explanations ! NOW !!!!!!!
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shablon wrote:
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Are you sure you are sane, or you just make lies as you go along. Nothing what you have mentioned is true, you took the Quran quotes out of context. If you do not know how to read ask someone to read Quran to you.
listen ton your own teachers, fool:

from one of muslim sites:

"The Prophet said:“The Jews split into 71 groups; one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 groups; 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose Power is the life of Muhammad, without doubt, my Ummah will be divided into 73 groups. Only one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.”(Ibn Majah, Kitab al-Fitan)
Also in Qur’an we find:“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.”( 2:62 and (almost identical in) 5:69)
This seems to indicate that salvation is dependent upon three conditions only: Belief in God, Belief in the Day of Judgement, and righteous or good deeds.
Mr. Lamaan Ball, editor of “Ask About Islam”:“When we refer to “Islam” there are at least two specific distinct meanings implied. Firstly there is the essential Islam as the religion of all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and until Muhammad. Secondly there is the meaning specific to the revelation given to Muhammad and all the religious instructions contained therein. We might call this the completed Islam. Essential Islam encompasses the broad principles of pure monotheism free from shirk(associating partners with God), and our moral accountability before God. The completed Islam is the full set of guidance provided through the Qur’an and the sunnah of Muhammad which abrogates the earlier rules given through previous prophets.
Both 5:69 and 2:62 refer to the essential Islam and not the completed Islam we often mean in our conversations. Once this point is understood, the apparent problem disappears.
Second, the mere historical existence of Muhammad (pbuh) does not mean that the completed Islam has reached everyone. Once the completed Islam reaches any group of people,– by which I mean that the message is adequately delivered – then they can no longer claim to be doing good if they are knowingly rejecting God’s guidance in the Qur’an. Before that situation is reached, for any individual, it is quite possible that they are Muslims in the sense of following essential Islam. Just as the earliest followers of earlier prophets were.”

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so where you now, shablon? There is even more interesting topic also discussed on muslim sites in that is what is it to "adequately deliver" the Islam - one can read Quran for example and understand from it that despite there is critics of beliefs of 7 century Christians in it(in Quran), but Christians of our days who comply with verses of Quran 2;62 and 5;69 (and majority do comply as what is critisised in Christianity by Mohammed (such as ANTROPOLOGICAL undestanding of word "son", understanding of Trinity as 3 separate gods (which probably was a case in 7 century MISunderstanding by some tribes, but no more any normal Christian would understand The GOD as 3 separate gods NOWADAYS, but only as ONE and the ONLY God in three forms) etc.etc/etc...so to deliver adequtelly means that a person IS CONVINCED, but majority of Jews and Christians who have read the Quran only become convinced that they should stay as Christians or Judaists as they perfectly comply with demands of essential Islam as mentioned in first quotation, despite all Quranic criticism towards 7 century perceptions (which irrelevant to their views)-the problem with shablons, is that you cherish politics more then your own Quranic texts.
hmmmm

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shablon wrote:
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Are you sure you are sane, or you just make lies as you go along. Nothing what you have mentioned is true, you took the Quran quotes out of context. If you do not know how to read ask someone to read Quran to you.
listen to your own teachers, fool:

from one of muslim sites:

"The Prophet said:“The Jews split into 71 groups; one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 groups; 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose Power is the life of Muhammad, without doubt, my Ummah will be divided into 73 groups. Only one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.”(Ibn Majah, Kitab al-Fitan)
Also in Qur’an we find:“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.”( 2:62 and (almost identical in) 5:69)
This seems to indicate that salvation is dependent upon three conditions only: Belief in God, Belief in the Day of Judgement, and righteous or good deeds.
Mr. Lamaan Ball, editor of “Ask About Islam”:“When we refer to “Islam” there are at least two specific distinct meanings implied. Firstly there is the essential Islam as the religion of all the prophets from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and until Muhammad. Secondly there is the meaning specific to the revelation given to Muhammad and all the religious instructions contained therein. We might call this the completed Islam. Essential Islam encompasses the broad principles of pure monotheism free from shirk(associating partners with God), and our moral accountability before God. The completed Islam is the full set of guidance provided through the Qur’an and the sunnah of Muhammad which abrogates the earlier rules given through previous prophets.
Both 5:69 and 2:62 refer to the essential Islam and not the completed Islam we often mean in our conversations. Once this point is understood, the apparent problem disappears.
Second, the mere historical existence of Muhammad (pbuh) does not mean that the completed Islam has reached everyone. Once the completed Islam reaches any group of people,– by which I mean that the message is adequately delivered – then they can no longer claim to be doing good if they are knowingly rejecting God’s guidance in the Qur’an. Before that situation is reached, for any individual, it is quite possible that they are Muslims in the sense of following essential Islam. Just as the earliest followers of earlier prophets were.”

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so where you now, shablon? There is even more interesting topic also discussed on muslim sites in that is what is it to "adequately deliver" the Islam - one can read Quran for example and understand from it that despite there is critics of beliefs of 7 century Christians in it(in Quran), but Christians of our days who comply with verses of Quran 2;62 and 5;69 (and majority do comply as what is critisised in Christianity by Mohammed (such as ANTROPOLOGICAL undestanding of word "son", understanding of Trinity as 3 separate gods (which probably was a case in 7 century MISunderstandings by some tribes, but no more any normal Christian would understand The GOD as 3 separate gods NOWADAYS, but only as ONE and the ONLY God in three forms) etc.etc/etc...so to deliver adequtelly means that a person IS CONVINCED, but majority of Jews and Christians who have read the Quran only become convinced that they should stay as Christians or Judaists as they perfectly comply with demands of essential Islam as mentioned in first quotation, despite all Quranic criticism towards 7 century perceptions (which irrelevant to their views)-the problem with shablons, is that you cherish politics more then your own Quranic texts.
Oguze

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Feb 5, 2013
 
Interesting... historically, ethnically we may have some conflict... why becuase both turks and russians have thier own claims over Caucasia and Siberia, thats why all these wars happend between turkic people and russians....

Culturally the funny thing i found, becasue we are fighting and conqouring each other, even we believe in defferent religions we have many commons..
personally i make good friends with russians than people from western europe and australia where i live...even with the girls' personality i found samiliarities... Russians to me if they believe in Islam nothing defferent between Russian and Turks...

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Feb 5, 2013
 
Oguze wrote:
Interesting... historically, ethnically we may have some conflict... why becuase both turks and russians have thier own claims over Caucasia and Siberia, thats why all these wars happend between turkic people and russians....
Culturally the funny thing i found, becasue we are fighting and conqouring each other, even we believe in defferent religions we have many commons..
personally i make good friends with russians than people from western europe and australia where i live...even with the girls' personality i found samiliarities... Russians to me if they believe in Islam nothing defferent between Russian and Turks...
No Russian believes in islam.
Russians are christian people and are going to be such.

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