20,000 protest in Ukraine's capital

Dec 30, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Korea Herald

About 20,000 people protested in Ukraine's capital on Sunday, maintaining more than a month of rallies opposing the government's decision to shelve a key deal with the European Union.

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Some people cling to the past because their future is uncertain.This is the mind set that Socialism/Communism has bred<quoted text>
Wrong again. Soviet people felt quite secure about their future. They knew government would take care of them, if need be.
Unlike people in your country which are afraid of losing their job. American government doesn`t even care about the people which wage it`s imperialistic wars all over the world. There are so many of poor crippled veterans live on streets in USA.
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Is that why Russia is the economic powerhouse it is today day?Realisticly,no modern industrial country can support a welfare state in which all people live off a government allotment.Even Marx was aware that with each leap of technology,a certain segment of the workforce's skills become obsolete.The histories of both our countries proves this to be true.Was Stalin so kind and"fatherly"when he starved millions of Russians back in the 1930's?What about Russian soldiers that have died in Afghanistan or Chechnya?
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Wrong again. Soviet people felt quite secure about their future. They knew government would take care of them, if need be.
Unlike people in your country which are afraid of losing their job. American government doesn`t even care about the people which wage it`s imperialistic wars all over the world. There are so many of poor crippled veterans live on streets in USA.

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Just a thought wrote:
Is that why Russia is the economic powerhouse it is today day?Realisticly,no modern industrial country can support a welfare state in which all people live off a government allotment.Even Marx was aware that with each leap of technology,a certain segment of the workforce's skills become obsolete.The histories of both our countries proves this to be true.Was Stalin so kind and"fatherly"when he starved millions of Russians back in the 1930's?What about Russian soldiers that have died in Afghanistan or Chechnya?<quoted text>
If Russia has anything good today it was created in Soviot time before it was infected with that western democracy. All of it, from free healthcare system to nuclear weapons.
They seem to be providing it in some western European countries now. Your government pays your rent if you have no money if you`re a German and you live on street or some nasty trailer park, if you`re an American. USA is a way more wealthy than Germany, why is that?
30`s were a hard time all over the world. They starved in USA as well. However, Soviet economy had shown a rapid growth in 30th while western economies were in decline.
There was no war in Chechnya in Soviet time, it happened after the collpase of USSR. No veteran of Afganistan was homeless in Soviet time. There were no any homeless people in fact. Speaking about homeless, there were a lot of homeless kids after Russian civil war. The first thing Bolsheviks did, when took power, was to put them all in orphanages. They also had destroyed the only ghetto in Moscow and provided people with accomodations in other places. It took then just one night to do it. There`s a lot to learn for you about USSR before you will be qualified to discuss it.
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Ukraine was the 3rd largest exporter of grain as of 2011.How would that hurt Russia if the Ukraine entered the EU?Maybe Ukraine should use that like Russia uses natural gas as an economic weapon.Viktor Yanukovych's election was disputed and Ukrainian Supreme Court ruled that it was a disputed outcome.In 2010 he was reelected by"48%"of the voters.What happened to the other 52%?48% is not a majority.
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Seem to know nothing not just about communism but also about democracy.
Yanukovich has been fairly elected as Ukranian president by Ukranian people and it`s on him to decide which way to go. If they they`re unhappy with his decision they should wait till the next elections and to re elect him. Is it clear?
There`s nothing good for Ukraine in EU. EU doesn`t offer Ukraine anthyng. Russia gives Ukraine a loan which it needs badly, cheap natural gas and an access on it`s market. I think it`s obvious which way Ukraine should go.
Fertile soil? Ukraine also has industry and hightech. It would be a reall going back if engineers and skilled workers had turned into peasants and serfs of European union. Ukranian people already had Europeans running Ukraine during 2ww, enough is enough.
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Like the UK in the Falklands?LOL<quoted text>
What do the falklands have to do with it?
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So, vote him out in 2015 and stop setting fire to people and pandering to neofascist and neocon agendas and dancing with political hacks like our McCain laughingstock.

Show some self-respect and stop behaving like Hutus in Africa, for God's sake.

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Ukraine was the 3rd largest exporter of grain as of 2011.How would that hurt Russia if the Ukraine entered the EU?Maybe Ukraine should use that like Russia uses natural gas as an economic weapon.Viktor Yanukovych's election was disputed and Ukrainian Supreme Court ruled that it was a disputed outcome.In 2010 he was reelected by"48%"of the voters.What happened to the other 52%?48% is not a majority.<quoted text>
Ukraine cannot use grain as oil because grain isn`t oil. No argricultural country is rich, some oil barrels like Saudy Arabia are. Argricutural countries are all poor. And their people are poor.
It won`t hurt Russia very much if Ukraine joins EU, it would have hurt Ukraine. The rules of EU will ruin what`s remained of once great Ukranian industry and Ukraine will have become a grain field indeed.
They voted against both candidates, isn`t it clear?
Yanukovich got more votes than Timoshenko, no doubt about it.
Speaking about queer elections, I think of American one in 2001, when Gor got more votes, however Bush had become a president. If you want my opinion, all that is nonesence. Moneybags rule whoever wins.. Why bother with elections at all? Even when pro western Ushenko was a president and Timoshenko was a prime minister, they were anti Russian and pro western in rhetoric only. There are a lot of rich Ukranian businessmen which areinterented in cooperation with Russia and are afraid of any association treaty with EU. Those busimen represent what`s left from Ukranian hightech, for example, avition industry and rocketry. In some respect Ukraine is a more advanced country than the most of western European ones.

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Egads wrote:
So, vote him out in 2015 and stop setting fire to people and pandering to neofascist and neocon agendas and dancing with political hacks like our McCain laughingstock.
Show some self-respect and stop behaving like Hutus in Africa, for God's sake.
They call it democracy.
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We call it democracy too. (The export version).

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<quoted text>Absence of freedom, absence of freedom of speech, oppression, high crime rate of murderous government, thought control.
All realities in the evil Soviet Union, if it still existed you wouldn't be posting messages on here, the internet would be banmed.
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What a surprise..the worthless, ignorant wog, talking bollocks. Hehehehe.
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Duh..Argentina would view that as a"illegal war".Britain went to war against a weaker nation 8000mi away because it's international prestige was challenged.Not to mention the Thatcher government was confronted with unemployment and social unrest and may not have survived if it did not go to war.What business interests were behind that decision?
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What do the falklands have to do with it?
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I didn't say the war in Chechnya occurred in Soviet times.The Soviet-Afghan war was rooted in the cold war.The Soviet government desired a pro-Soviet leaning government in Afghanistan.There were a lot of people who starved and suffered during the Russian revolution/Civil war period.Mostly because the Bolsheviks turned the guns of"liberation"agains t the very people that desired to see the Tsar removed.Lenin struck a bargain with Germany to surrender and in turn consolidate the Bolsheviks revolution in the USSR.
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If Russia has anything good today it was created in Soviot time before it was infected with that western democracy. All of it, from free healthcare system to nuclear weapons.
They seem to be providing it in some western European countries now. Your government pays your rent if you have no money if you`re a German and you live on street or some nasty trailer park, if you`re an American. USA is a way more wealthy than Germany, why is that?
30`s were a hard time all over the world. They starved in USA as well. However, Soviet economy had shown a rapid growth in 30th while western economies were in decline.
There was no war in Chechnya in Soviet time, it happened after the collpase of USSR. No veteran of Afganistan was homeless in Soviet time. There were no any homeless people in fact. Speaking about homeless, there were a lot of homeless kids after Russian civil war. The first thing Bolsheviks did, when took power, was to put them all in orphanages. They also had destroyed the only ghetto in Moscow and provided people with accomodations in other places. It took then just one night to do it. There`s a lot to learn for you about USSR before you will be qualified to discuss it.
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Yes indeed,the 1930's were hardtimes.The Great Purge which occurred under Stalin's direction occurred from1934-39.Even Khrushchev condemned these excesses in his 1956 speech.The Soviet famine in the Ukraine in 1932-33.The Holodomor genocide.
Alexey25 wrote:
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If Russia has anything good today it was created in Soviot time before it was infected with that western democracy. All of it, from free healthcare system to nuclear weapons.
They seem to be providing it in some western European countries now. Your government pays your rent if you have no money if you`re a German and you live on street or some nasty trailer park, if you`re an American. USA is a way more wealthy than Germany, why is that?
30`s were a hard time all over the world. They starved in USA as well. However, Soviet economy had shown a rapid growth in 30th while western economies were in decline.
There was no war in Chechnya in Soviet time, it happened after the collpase of USSR. No veteran of Afganistan was homeless in Soviet time. There were no any homeless people in fact. Speaking about homeless, there were a lot of homeless kids after Russian civil war. The first thing Bolsheviks did, when took power, was to put them all in orphanages. They also had destroyed the only ghetto in Moscow and provided people with accomodations in other places. It took then just one night to do it. There`s a lot to learn for you about USSR before you will be qualified to discuss it.
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Seem to know nothing not just about communism but also about democracy.
Yanukovich has been fairly elected as Ukranian president by Ukranian people and it`s on him to decide which way to go. If they they`re unhappy with his decision they should wait till the next elections and to re elect him. Is it clear?
There`s nothing good for Ukraine in EU. EU doesn`t offer Ukraine anthyng. Russia gives Ukraine a loan which it needs badly, cheap natural gas and an access on it`s market. I think it`s obvious which way Ukraine should go.
Fertile soil? Ukraine also has industry and hightech. It would be a reall going back if engineers and skilled workers had turned into peasants and serfs of European union. Ukranian people already had Europeans running Ukraine during 2ww, enough is enough.
It is Yanukovych that doesn't know anything about democracy. When you are elected by a country to be president, You are supposed to make decisions that are in the best interests of the country that elected you. Not the country that exploits you.
If you help the exploiters, you break the democratic rationale for why you were elected and become an illegitimate-leader who can morallybe deposed immediately. Not at the next election.

EU offers Ukraine an opportunity to lead a decent life.(In several generations) but Russia offers more pain, oppression and abject poverty forever...

Yanukovych, thinks he is Putin.
Well, in fact, Putin is telling him what to do, the Russian criminal way.

Tha's why Yanu is an illegitimate leader who must be removed.

What if Putin sold out the country to the US?? Would Russians just get another
drink of vodka??
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Hey Boys, make money. Since I've helped sharpened your blogging skills, you can now make some rubles so you won't have to sleep on the street.

HERE IS THE INFO..... You know who to contact.. go for it....

""The Russian youth group Nashi has paid hundreds
of thousands of pounds to a vast network of bloggers,
journalists and internet trolls to create flattering
coverage of Vladimir Putin and discredit his political rivals,
according to a haul of thousands of emails allegedly
sent to and from the group that have been released by Russian hackers.
The mass of data appears to show evidence of the
sinister tactics used by Nashi, and includes:
Price lists for pro-Putin bloggers and commenters
which indicate that some are paid as much as
600,000 roubles (12,694) for leaving hundreds of
comments refuting negative stories about Putin.""
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Kyivdev wrote:
hey guys!
greetings from Ukraine, struggling Kyiv.
I am a Ukrainian, Kyivan guy, a web developer by occupation and a participant of this revolution actions in the centre of Kyiv.
If you want to know something you can ask.
Good Luck with the Revolution....

Don't give up.

All freedom fighters are supporting you...
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Tm Clms wrote:
Hey Boys, make money. Since I've helped sharpened your blogging skills, you can now make some rubles so you won't have to sleep on the street.
HERE IS THE INFO..... You know who to contact.. go for it....
""The Russian youth group Nashi has paid hundreds
of thousands of pounds to a vast network of bloggers,
journalists and internet trolls to create flattering
coverage of Vladimir Putin and discredit his political rivals,
according to a haul of thousands of emails allegedly
sent to and from the group that have been released by Russian hackers.
The mass of data appears to show evidence of the
sinister tactics used by Nashi, and includes:
Price lists for pro-Putin bloggers and commenters
which indicate that some are paid as much as
600,000 roubles (12,694) for leaving hundreds of
comments refuting negative stories about Putin.""
There's no limit with Emperor Putin and his Nashi brownshirt storm troopers.
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[QUOTE who="incontinent truths" Hey you've got RPS]Clem's doing a bang up job today of making a total ass of himself.
Yawn
Hug a neo-nazi democrat for me today, will y'a clem?
Let's cut to the chase. How about you and me pushing the US and Canada to call for a referendum on splitting Ukraine in two? It's not like we haven't backed secessionist movements before, have we?
I say, let's bring a little fairness and sanity to the process and let the Ukrainians speak for themselves through the ballot box.
Any objections?[/QUOTE]

You aren't talking about splitting Ukraine in two. You are talking about giving half of Ukraine to Russia.... How would you word that referendum??
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Vicky Nuland wrote:
We call it democracy too.(The export version).
you are right baby. That's the version Russia needs.

Russia didn't have Communism.

and now Russia doesn't have Capitalism.

It has Despot-Oligarchism...
They could never understand real democracy anyway.

Russian people only
understand the Despotic whip.

They do what they are told.
A ballot box is just a time waster.

The result is always known before the
election starts.

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Yes indeed,the 1930's were hardtimes.The Great Purge which occurred under Stalin's direction occurred from1934-39.Even Khrushchev condemned these excesses in his 1956 speech.The Soviet famine in the Ukraine in 1932-33.The Holodomor genocide.<quoted text>
That clown Khrutchev was more guilty than Stalin. He was framing Stalin in his own crimes.
Stalin didn`t direct any starvation in Ukraine, that`s what propoganda says. Poskrebyshev and other Ukranian leaders are resposible. What Stalin really did forUkraine is had turned it from the land of dirty farmers into one of the strongest industrial countries in the world. The morons want to turn it into argricultural third world country now.

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