Czech opposition demands referendum on U.S. missile radar

The Czech opposition has gathered over 100,000 signatures in support of a proposal to hold a national referendum on the placement of a U.S. early-warning radar in the Czech Republic, an opposition spokesperson said on Thursday.

Around two-thirds of the Czech population are against the radar plans, according to an April opinion poll.

There is also considerable opposition to the deployment plan in the Czech parliament, with the leading opposition force, the Social Democratic Party, demanding a public discussion on the issue.

[Bojan]

People of Czech republic are opposed to USA hegemonic chauvinism being pushed on them by USA puppet government.

Czechs don't want f*ggy USA radar, americows can take their chauvinism and their radar and stick them up their *ss

[Stephany McDowell]

Thank You for Posting your Editorials CoolnCrazy. McDowell

[Stefanya]

It sounds like at least one Eastern European country has the intelligence to question the need for NATO imposing itself into Eastern Europe. With the Soviet Union and the Soviet Pact no longer in existence, NATO and its missiles and radars is not necessary, except to spark a new arms race. Good for the Czechs for showing the intelligence and fortitude to question NATOs encroachment into Eastern Europe especially as the Soviet Union,at the breakup was assured that NATO wouldn't move into it's territory.

[Serge]

Completely agree!
Czechs unlike Polish have enough intelligence to understand that USA has done few positive things to other countries. They don't care about Europe, USA cares about where it can establish its will and pressure to make their economy grow. This is what we see in Iraq.

Stefanya wrote:

It sounds like at least one Eastern European country has the intelligence to question the need for NATO imposing itself into Eastern Europe. With the Soviet Union and the Soviet Pact no longer in existence, NATO and its missiles and radars is not necessary, except to spark a new arms race. Good for the Czechs for showing the intelligence and fortitude to question NATOs encroachment into Eastern Europe especially as the Soviet Union,at the breakup was assured that NATO wouldn't move into it's territory.

[Smetana]

Since this is causing so much animosity towards the US, I don't understand why we continue to push for the missile base. If it was coming from just Russia fine, but it is coming from the Poles and Czechs were the base would be established. I think Bush is hoping he can drag this out and let the next president decide on it. From a Ukrainian point of view, pushing these missiles onto these countries does nothing to promote better views by the public on NATO there.

[Serge]

It is just another story of how US brings democracy to where its interests lay.

[pesky]

before bushky goes to oblivion they should stick one of those missiles up his poop chute !

[coolncrazy]

Smetana wrote:

Since this is causing so much animosity towards the US, I don't understand why we continue to push for the missile base. If it was coming from just Russia fine, but it is coming from the Poles and Czechs were the base would be established. I think Bush is hoping he can drag this out and let the next president decide on it. From a Ukrainian point of view, pushing these missiles onto these countries does nothing to promote better views by the public on NATO there.

I really don't understand how could you promote this aggressive anti-Russian military alliance. USA push this bases because USA want to use Czechs and Poles as a living shield for USA. Czechs understand that. And it's absolutely understandable that citizens of this countries don't want to play this role. It's difficult even for USA to buy the people of the country, but USA can buy this country's government and they're doing it. But protests grow more and more. I'm sure there will be thousands of people trying to directly protect the territory which USA is planning to occupy. I'm interesting - are USA ready to use force against this people?

[Smetana]

coolncrazy wrote:

<quoted text>
I really don't understand how could you promote this aggressive anti-Russian military alliance. USA push this bases because USA want to use Czechs and Poles as a living shield for USA. Czechs understand that. And it's absolutely understandable that citizens of this countries don't want to play this role. It's difficult even for USA to buy the people of the country, but USA can buy this country's government and they're doing it. But protests grow more and more. I'm sure there will be thousands of people trying to directly protect the territory which USA is planning to occupy. I'm interesting - are USA ready to use force against this people?

Come on, the US is planning to occupy Poland and the Czech Republic? A little sensational don't you think? They are anti missile radars and if the people of Poland and Czech Republic want them out then I agree we shouldn't be there. But ratcheting up the discussion from simply placing radars to occupation derails the subject.

Regarding NATO, yes it appears that it is a tool of the US to send other soldiers to fight American wars. Bush has abused the organization. NATO troops rightly helped America in Afghanistan but Iraq was not justifiable to send neither European or American troops there.

However, after this misuse, I hope NATO members can come together and reform the organization. Eventually I think it could form the groundwork for a European military alliance that can handle problems in its own backyard.

So yes, I think Ukraine should join the MAP because the only country I see wanting to occupy Ukrainian territory is Russia, not the US.

[coolncrazy]

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>Come on, the US is planning to occupy Poland and the Czech Republic? A little sensational don't you think? They are anti missile radars and if the people of Poland and Czech Republic want them out then I agree we shouldn't be there.

That's your opinion. But official USA opinion - that it does not matter what Czech majority think about this base. US administration bought Czech ruling government and think that's enough to build the base.

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>However, after this misuse, I hope NATO members can come together and reform the organization. Eventually I think it could form the groundwork for a European military alliance that can handle problems in its own backyard.

NATO should be disbanded. If USA, EU and anybody else want - they could create new collective security organization with new agreements, new name and without such shameful reputation. NATO is an element of cold war and nothing more. You can't change that simple fact.

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>So yes, I think Ukraine should join the MAP because the only country I see wanting to occupy Ukrainian territory is Russia, not the US.

And you don't care that huge majority of Ukrainians don't want to join the MAP plan and only ~20% support that?

[Smetana]

coolncrazy wrote:

And you don't care that huge majority of Ukrainians don't want to join the MAP plan and only ~20% support that?

I hope that the government can educate Ukrainians on value of Ukraine joining NATO. As a means of doing that Ukraine should join the MAP. I think that after testing NATO Ukrainians will see that it is beneficial in modernizing their army, joining other free and democratic states and increase dialogue with other EU members.

The ultimate decision to join won't happen for another couple years so Ukrainians will have a chance to elect those officials which closely match their views on a number of positions, NATO included. The bottom line though is that Ukrainians decide what they want to do, and not Russia.

I highly encourage the belligerent and aggressive behavior of the Russian government to Ukraine though, because it only increases the reasons for Ukraine to join NATO. The more Russia postures with arbitrary gas hikes and claims to Ukrainian territory the more the Ukrainian position becomes toughened and the world sees the true nature of Russian regime.

[Bojan]

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>I hope that the government can educate Ukrainians on value of Ukraine joining NATO. As a means of doing that Ukraine should join the MAP. I think that after testing NATO Ukrainians will see that it is beneficial in modernizing their army, joining other free and democratic states and increase dialogue with other EU members.

Are you saying Ukraine is less democratic because it is not In f*ggy nato? No one needs nato to be democratic.
EU and nato are separate organizations, it is fully possible Ukraine can be in EU but not nato, does not need one to get other!

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>The ultimate decision to join won't happen for another couple years so Ukrainians will have a chance to elect those officials which closely match their views on a number of positions, NATO included. The bottom line though is that Ukrainians decide what they want to do, and not Russia.

It is also not for americans to decide :)

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>I highly encourage the belligerent and aggressive behavior of the Russian government to Ukraine though, because it only increases the reasons for Ukraine to join NATO. The more Russia postures with arbitrary gas hikes and claims to Ukrainian territory the more the Ukrainian position becomes toughened and the world sees the true nature of Russian regime.

That is typical imperialist american thinking.

Russia has every right to charge Ukraine more for gas. No one has say on how Russia can charge for gas. Prices for russian gas are reasonable. Ukraine pays less for gas than Europe. Raising gas price is Economics, I thinking americans at least understood such things?

Maybe people will see true nature of american regime, try to build missiles and radar where czechs and poles don't want them :)

[Why_Me]

Bojan wrote:

<quoted text>
Are you saying Ukraine is less democratic because it is not In f*ggy nato? No one needs nato to be democratic.
EU and nato are separate organizations, it is fully possible Ukraine can be in EU but not nato, does not need one to get other!
<quoted text> It is also not for americans to decide :)
<quoted text>
That is typical imperialist american thinking.
Russia has every right to charge Ukraine more for gas. No one has say on how Russia can charge for gas. Prices for russian gas are reasonable. Ukraine pays less for gas than Europe. Raising gas price is Economics, I thinking americans at least understood such things?
Maybe people will see true nature of american regime, try to build missiles and radar where czechs and poles don't want them :)

The USA is still debating whether or not to put a new missle and radar base in Kosovo.

What do you think "Bojan", should NATO do this, or should NATO just stick with it's agenda of putting a new air base in Bosnia, and a new naval base in Croatia?

[Smetana]

Bojan wrote:

<quoted text>
Are you saying Ukraine is less democratic because it is not In f*ggy nato? No one needs nato to be democratic.
EU and nato are separate organizations, it is fully possible Ukraine can be in EU but not nato, does not need one to get other!

They are seperate organizations, you are correct. What you don't realize (or refuse to) is that all countries that have joined since 1999 have all been NATO members first. NATO is instrumental for these countries to enact fundamental reforms which coincide to a large degree with the standards of the EU. These include "settling any international, ethnic or external territorial disputes by peaceful means; demonstrating a commitment to the rule of law and human rights; establishing democratic control of their armed forces; and promoting stability and well-being through economic liberty, social justice and environmental responsibility." The more international organizations working with Ukraine in these matters would only be a positive for the country.

You see things from a Russo-centric point of view and I understand why Russia is upset. It knows NATO is not a threat, it actively works with NATO countries through the NATO-Russia Council. The underlying reason why Russia is upset because it knows that Ukraine is no longer under its control and never will be again. Its the loss of empire, and Ukraine in NATO would only solidify make that final.

I see things from the Ukrainian point of view. So no matter how many times you use vulgar language and try to trip me up by twisting my words, I will never agree to your point of view on this matter. Lastly, in the future, if you wish to discuss things with me, I will only do so if you refrain using filthy language. Good day.

[coolncrazy]

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>I hope that the government can educate Ukrainians on value of Ukraine joining NATO. As a means of doing that Ukraine should join the MAP. I think that after testing NATO Ukrainians will see that it is beneficial in modernizing their army, joining other free and democratic states and increase dialogue with other EU members.

So, you don't like democracy and prefer to force nations to do what Americans want? Huge majority of Ukrainians don't want to join NATO MAP plan. If you want to deceive Ukrainians about NATO - you can do that now, through the TV and so on, you don't need to force them to join any NATO plans. Could you understand that?

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>I highly encourage the belligerent and aggressive behavior of the Russian government to Ukraine though, because it only increases the reasons for Ukraine to join NATO. The more Russia postures with arbitrary gas hikes and claims to Ukrainian territory the more the Ukrainian position becomes toughened and the world sees the true nature of Russian regime.

Russia don't wage war against any other country for 20 years. NATO and USA is attacking other countries because of their oil and other natural resources. Everybody could see it, including Ukrainians.
And most of Ukrainians don't agree with your opinion, that's the opinion poll results in Ukraine:

Putin:
A lot / Some confidence 59%
No / Not too much confidence 20%

Ukrainian president Yushchenko:
A lot / Some confidence 24%
No / Not too much confidence 63%

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articl...
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/ju...

Perhaps they're not so brainwashed like Americans think...

[Smetana]

coolncrazy wrote:

So, you don't like democracy and prefer to force nations to do what Americans want? Huge majority of Ukrainians don't want to join NATO MAP plan. If you want to deceive Ukrainians about NATO - you can do that now, through the TV and so on, you don't need to force them to join any NATO plans. Could you understand that?

Please explain how America is FORCING Ukraine to join NATO. This is just more rhetoric. The government of Ukraine asked to join. And I don't think educating Ukrainians on NATO is deceiving them. What is deceiving them is rhetoric from Moscow threatening military action, dismemberment and NATO bases in Ukraine. If this alliance is so bad, why are most of the Western European countries still in it? Obviously they see it as relevant.

coolncrazy wrote:

Russia don't wage war against any other country for 20 years. NATO and USA is attacking other countries because of their oil and other natural resources. Everybody could see it, including Ukrainians.

Chechnya declared independence in 1991 so yes it has waged a war against another country. Independence was voted on by a referendum which you value so highly and was approved by the Chechen people.

coolncrazy wrote:

And most of Ukrainians don't agree with your opinion, that's the opinion poll results in Ukraine:
Putin:
A lot / Some confidence 59%
No / Not too much confidence 20%
Ukrainian president Yushchenko:
A lot / Some confidence 24%
No / Not too much confidence 63%
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articl...
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/ju...
Perhaps they're not so brainwashed like Americans think...

Again with the popularity contest. I don't care how many people think Putin is the best thing since sliced bread. I don't have any confidence in Putin and very little for Yuschenko these days.

Bush has been a travesty for this country, but things will change dramatically next year. Ukraine is continually increasing and bettering relations with other European nations. It is inevitable that one day Ukraine will join NATO, maybe not in the next few years, but one day. I hope Ukrainians will see the game that Russia is playing here. On the one hand cooperating to the utmost with NATO members and on the other denouncing it as a threat to its security. If it was such a threat, why does it have such good relations with its members?

[ho ho ho]

You fool. Ukraine will be departed.
western and south Ukraine - more than 90% russian phones and the don't want ukrainization of their culture.
maybe they won't union with russia but they nonetheless want to be as a part of "ukranian" ukraine.

[ho ho ho]

correctin: do not want.

[Stefanya]

Smetana wrote:

<quoted text>Please explain how America is FORCING Ukraine to join NATO. This is just more rhetoric. The government of Ukraine asked to join. And I don't think educating Ukrainians on NATO is deceiving them. What is deceiving them is rhetoric from Moscow threatening military action, dismemberment and NATO bases in Ukraine. If this alliance is so bad, why are most of the Western European countries still in it? Obviously they see it as relevant.
<quoted text>Chechnya declared independence in 1991 so yes it has waged a war against another country. Independence was voted on by a referendum which you value so highly and was approved by the Chechen people.
<quoted text>Again with the popularity contest. I don't care how many people think Putin is the best thing since sliced bread. I don't have any confidence in Putin and very little for Yuschenko these days.
Bush has been a travesty for this country, but things will change dramatically next year. Ukraine is continually increasing and bettering relations with other European nations. It is inevitable that one day Ukraine will join NATO, maybe not in the next few years, but one day. I hope Ukrainians will see the game that Russia is playing here. On the one hand cooperating to the utmost with NATO members and on the other denouncing it as a threat to its security. If it was such a threat, why does it have such good relations with its members?

It's obvious. Russia was assured that NATO would not be moving into the Russian spere of influence. When Nato began encroaching it became a threat.

[Why_Me]

Stefanya wrote:

<quoted text>
It's obvious. Russia was assured that NATO would not be moving into the Russian spere of influence. When Nato began encroaching it became a threat.

Russian influence like in Belarus? That kind of Russian influence?

Ya stfu and save it. Russian influence has never caused anything but harm and Russificiation of other country's.