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Aug 8, 2012
 
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>If success was based on population then the top three in the medals table would be China, India and Indonesia, China are top, but the other two have won just five medals between them and not one gold, it's down to individuals and not just training methods and population size, you nitwit.
Not stupid. It is based on the number of athletes and how many medals the team has won on average per athlete. Simple math for the dummy. United States athletes 530. Number of medals 71. That means about twenty percent of american team has won a medal. Ukras still milking.
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Aug 8, 2012
 
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>If success was based on population then the top three in the medals table would be China, India and Indonesia, China are top, but the other two have won just five medals between them and not one gold, it's down to individuals and not just training methods and population size, you nitwit.
Actually you stupid peasant if we want to measure it by population most successful would probably be Slovenia. They have won most medals per capita. Understand.
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Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
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Actually you stupid peasant if we want to measure it by population most successfulwould probably be Slovenia. They have won most medals per capita. Understand.
I understand that you are a complete and utter nitwit. The country which is doing best pro rata is Grenada which has won one gold medal with a population of just 93000, yes even a tiny Carribean island has won more golds than you Fintards and SLOvaks.:-)

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just one stupid ukra peasant, says it all.
Annie

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<quoted text>It's you Poles who come up with fairytales and propaganda, that is the first time I have ever heard the ludicrous claim that Poles are responsible for Ukraine's existence.
Prus was obviously adept at falsifying the truth. Ukrainians are not anti Polish in general, if you go to any tourist destiniation in Western Ukraine, museum, art gallery, castle, etc, then it is set up for Polish tourists, with a great deal of information and guides available in the Polish language.
I'll read up about the Lviv museum, I have an excellent book about Lviv which gives information about all of the historic buildings in the city, whatever it was in the past it is very much a Ukrainian museum now, I'll come back to you on that.
If Kopernik was born in Sumy then he is Ukrainian and Matejko is a Ukrainian name, don't know too much about the others.
The area you two are rather unsportingly debating changed hands countless times during the history of settlement in the region. Suffice it to say that it was originally an area of Slavic settlement. The different cultures have all contributed to the culture of the region.
For example the University in Lviv was first set up by the Poles as a catholic academy in 17th C and they attempted to gain approval from Rome to establish it as a university, but it was the Austrian emperor who finally set it up as a secular institution in the late 18th C after Polish partitions. Now it is a Ukrainian university, but it was not created by Ukrainians but by Poles and Austrians. Of course Ukraine wants to rewrite its history to claim all heritage as its own and that is natural when establishing a national identity, but here let's be realistic about the past of Western Ukraine.
Matejko's surname is Czech, from his father. Matejko was born in Crakow which was at that time under Austrian occupation, as Poland was in the process of being partitioned.
Copernicus was half German half Polish. Both nations fight over him. He was not born in Ukraine. Who knows how his surname was really spelt. The records from the 15th C are extremely patchy.
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The truth hurts does it?:-)
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The truth hurts does it?:-)
Just to clarify this was addressed to Pesky, not Annie whose message was not visable when I posted that, I'm going to bed soon as I must be up early for work in the morning, so I'll reply to Annie's message tomorrow.
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I know what hurts to ya. When Amicuskas pokes his pecker to your smelly bumhole.
Dr Philip Alchurch

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Amicus Ladislav Krakowski was a Lithuanian philosopher, scholar and medical professor at Lwow University in the 1850s. He dissected, many Finns in his time,whose families often sold their worthless bodies to science for a polish zloty.Many Finns still reside in pickling jars in Lwow University to this day.So it can truly be said, many Finns are still at Lviv University..... albeit in the medical college cellar.
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Pesky army wrote:
Ukra peasants were none-existent 20 years ago.
Even you stupid Amicuska should know it.
Another peasant bunch in Russian Empire, then.
Funny, but the history books printed at the time of WW2 note the war in" Ukraine" and Ukraine being the breadbasket of the USSR. Trying to subvert the truth again, pissy?
And those historical pictures showed "Ukrainian citizens" piled up dead after their executions.
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But with all this bias against Poland and Ukraine, for an example of a screwed up mess, one only has to look at SLOvakia and Finturdland. But in the final analysis, who cares? I do not. It is the present that has impact on the future.

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How about Polaks vs Russians in volleyball ?

kubko, where are you ?
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Here we go. Czech dumpling throwing javelin a bit longer but Tero will get it on Saturday.
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Lets see !! Poland has two GOLD medals for a total of eight medals. Ukraine has three GOLD medals for a total of nine medals.

AND, SLOvakia has no Gold medals and only four other medals. And of course, last but not least, Finturdland has no Gold medals and a total of 1 medal.

You can sure see who are the champs in this medal competition.
Kubek

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#782
Aug 8, 2012
 
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How about Polaks vs Russians in volleyball ?
kubko, where are you ?
A quick 0-3 with a single tied set.
Well, that was disappointing. One of these games you know was in fact winnable and you didn't do everything to win it.
Russains were clearly better, hands down. They looked like they were in control of the game all the time. They were just very solid - that was enough today. I think their greatest asset is their coach.
Volleyball brakes down like this: it all starts with good service and/or good reception. It is from where other technical niuances take or break. Poland didn't have either of them tonight so there is no use of talking of further elements as they couldn't work on normal good level without the two.
I'm sorry for the coach, Italian Andrea Anastasi who has done a heck of a job with the team but the guys couldn't perform in some of the most important games and no amount of "cazzo, you can't play like this, wake the hell up, argh!" helped. He used everything at his disposal to get the team going in the game against average Australia which was crucial for the team's form, especially the psychical form. Unfortunately, the players seemed to have taken the game lightly and weren't focused enough on the job and in result lost their confidence and playing rhythm. Until they realize their job is to play to the best of their ability in every game and not sink under certian high level, as well as not to take time off against the so called "weaker" opposition, they will fail in big tournaments. This is a very experienced bunch of players and they know they have themselves to blame for not having a good go in what is the last Olympics appearance for few of them. Their mentality has to change, they've got to become real pros.
Despite the disappointment, I'll be further supporting our colleyball team in games and tournaments to come.
Kubek

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Dr Philip Alchurch wrote:
<quoted text>It is obvious when you hear the language and see the people . Krakow going east and Kiev going west, pretty similar folks,I would say.Poland was in the russian empire too,so almost evryone was mixed ukie russki, polski like Joseph Konrad. It was the normal situation 1700s to 1900s.Poliics of course has made all of us " Pure Bloods ", in all counties now! It is funny really.
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Yes, Krakow going east originally by 350-400km. The Gologory mounds was the original limes. Then with Ruthenian conquest, ruthenisation and Ruthenian colonisation during historical centuries it considerably west but still wa-haha-ay east of Krakow (in our setting, not the vast Northern American one).
Yes, some people mixed, some didn't because they didn't want it or there wasn't any other nationality to mix (for example, the area I live has had nobody like that but Jews who didn't mix). Not whole of Poland was under Russian Empire. Russians were relatively many just they were newcoming soldiers and administrators and you didn't socialize with them. Russian surnames in Poland are in their bulk Litvak and post-WW2 Russian Jewish who came here to take over Poland.
Annie

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Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Just to clarify this was addressed to Pesky, not Annie whose message was not visable when I posted that, I'm going to bed soon as I must be up early for work in the morning, so I'll reply to Annie's message tomorrow.
I was trying to end the debate not continue it.

Your family's deportation is an interesting history. Is it because they were Polish citizens pre 1939?
Kubek

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Dr Philip Alchurch wrote:
<quoted text>Kuban was populated by Ukies in the 1800s. Some came from west Ukrainian ethnic tteritory too,so similar language style persists today even.
We may overestimate a random indivdual's, a John Doe's, ability to understand another Slavic language from a get-go just a bit, I feel. Still not causing problems to get by and learn it in a reasonably short time. It's fun to try and talk other's language - what I don't like is when we resort to English in mutual communication. Example, I was fighting for the remote control over the weekend with some of my relatives so as to watch the Olympics on TV :)(I prefer it to a computer stream) and they were watching some festival of Russian music taking place somewhere in Poland. There was an amphiteater packed with people going ape for the music, and there was a Russian artist who had his way with the public. He finishes his set and thanks the public in simple Russian which the public fully understands and then adds some (not complicated) other lines but goes for English rather than just a bit more difficult Russian vocabulary than before - probably he thought he would be understood better (maybe not without some reason but those who didn't understand could use their brain cells and figure it out or ask a person seated beside who did understand). That's quite sad when it comes to this.
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Kubek wrote:
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Yes, some people mixed, some didn't because they didn't want it
Religion may have been a major barrier.
Kubek

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<quoted text>It's you Poles who come up with fairytales and propaganda, that is the first time I have ever heard the ludicrous claim that Poles are responsible for Ukraine's existence.
Prus was obviously adept at falsifying the truth. Ukrainians are not anti Polish in general, if you go to any tourist destiniation in Western Ukraine, museum, art gallery, castle, etc, then it is set up for Polish tourists, with a great deal of information and guides available in the Polish language.
I'll read up about the Lviv museum, I have an excellent book about Lviv which gives information about all of the historic buildings in the city, whatever it was in the past it is very much a Ukrainian museum now, I'll come back to you on that.
If Kopernik was born in Sumy then he is Ukrainian and Matejko is a Ukrainian name, don't know too much about the others.
I have found you have not heard of many past things or don't want to hear or maybe pretend you haven't heard of them (?), so I'm not surprised about it. I've known what political background you come from too so I haven't come to expect anything other from you.
Prus was born in Zalozce, Wolyn and he's naturally been rooted into the history of the land and stories as well as held special interest in it. He was an honest historian who stuck to facts and historical sources, not propaganda, fairytales (I can hit you with some texts of his on history of those lands to see for yourself if you like, I've seen some in the net) and utmost bollocks unlike the said museum lector and custodian - it's interesting and telling for you to believe the ridiculous horseshite from the latter woman than check facts and see for yourself for the history on these historical persons. And for your doubts over Kopernik and Matejko and leaning towards the horseshite - are you kidding or want the silver medal?... Kopernik was born in Sumy, Ukraine just about as, say, Zulus Chaka, and Matejko was a Czech name inherited from his father who cane to Krakow from Czechia and was either a Czech or a converted Czech Jew. If you see a Czech sounding surname in Malopolska Wschodnia today or historical, just remember that there was some Czech settlement action there by the Austrians and some had come earlier in late middle ages with Polsih prince Wladyslaw Opolczyk and then with Polish kings.
I haven't been to Lwow yet but I have heard more than two people who were on tour there (and read many more testimonies like Prus') that the tours are terrible in that everything and everyone in Lwow, ever, has been Ukrainian and by Ukrainians according to Ukrainian liasons and Poles were like non-existant there (which all is obviously ridiculous lies) and when they are corrected it is not they get nervous, rude and they throw hissy fits.
I believe the Ukrainians other than Banderites and those influenced by the Banderites do hold no significant grudge with the Poles, they are OK with us as we are with them likewise. Of course not everyone in the west of Ukraine is a Pole-hating person, pretty far from it, but to say there is no resentment and more against the Poles in this Banderite hotbed is a bad bluff.
So which other Ukrainians have I really claimed? We now know that Slipyj I have not.

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